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Old July 31st, 2007, 04:21 PM
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I don't know what to say,obviously Simon is a fighter,you still do not have a proper diagnosis,right???
Your vet taking Simon home,was a wonderful gesture,it is soo important to have a vet who understands your feelings.
Hopefully he is also very knowledgable
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 02:06 PM
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Hello again,

The vet feels pretty sure that Simon does have FIP but he is not ruling out other possiblities yet. The vet is young but he is in practice with his father who has been in practice over 30 years. I am confident in both of their abilities. The vet also seems to love Simon. One of the vet techs told me that he held Simon during a staff meeting yesterday. I know that he is trying anything that he feels may help.

The vet is also considering a chemotherapy drug; cylophosphamide.

Simons bilirubin is up and his skin is yellow. He is so weak that he can hardly stand but he nudges me with his head to be petted. I go and visit him everyday when I leave work. I sit and pet and groom him. He loves to be brushed with a flea comb although he does not have fleas.

If Simon's clotting time is at an acceptable level, the vet is going to place a tube in Simon's neck so that we can feed him more easily. This should reduce some of the stress on him.

I hope that he gets to come home soon for a visit.

Thanks for all of your thoughts and prayers.

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Old August 3rd, 2007, 12:40 AM
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Bless you for giving this little guy all the care he could possibly need. I was glad to read through the thread and see he's improved. You've done a great thing, and I will be keeping you guys in my thoughts.

BTW, your kitty's name caught my attention, I too have a Simon, albeit a dog, and my first name is Jennifer, last name starts with a W as well.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
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Simon

Hello,

Simon's platelets were adequate yesterday for the feeding tube to be placed in his neck. He can now be fed and medicated without discomfort. Hopefully he will get stronger.

Simon seems to get more yellow everyday and I am very worried about this.

Simon is down to 7 pounds but he was about 14 pounds so he is very malnourished and extremely weak despite the previous tube feedings twice a day. Hopefully with the feeding tube he can be fed more often so that he can get stronger.

Since I don't have a scanner to add a photo of Simon I will tell you about him.

First of all Simon was found drowning in a puddle during a rain storm by my son last October with his 6 other litter mates. They were about 5-7 days old. Despite vet care only 4 survived past a few weeks. We named the four remaining kittens Gabriel, Simon, Bagherra, and Mary. All four of the cats are solid black with bright gold eyes. Two have very long hair (Simon and Gabriel) and two have very short hair (Bagherra and Mary).

Simon of course is at the vet medical center but the other three are at home with a few other adoptees. They have the run of the house and are quite happy although they miss their brother.

Please keep Simon in your thoughts and prayers for me...

Hello to peachesnsimons mom another JW. Nice to meet you.

Thank you...Jennifer W.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 01:21 PM
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Hello,

Simon's platelets were adequate yesterday for the feeding tube to be placed in his neck. He can now be fed and medicated without discomfort. Hopefully he will get stronger.

Simon seems to get more yellow everyday and I am very worried about this.
Glad to hear that the vet was able to put an E-tube in place, that should definitely make things easier. I'm a big fan of feeding tubes when circumstances warrant it (I've had to go the PEG-tube route on three occasions with my cats over the years - they can be a lifesaver!). I realize Simon is probably on a lot of different meds at the moment, but are any of them for liver support? Denosyl (aka SAMe) is often used in the treatment of liver disease, as is Milk Thistle (silymarin).

Here's hoping that things start improving quicker now and Simon can come home. Good luck!
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 02:44 PM
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Simon

Hi,

Simon is not on either of the liver support meds that you mentioned. I am going to ask the vet about them and also do a little research on my own. Thanks for the info. I have never had a cat this ill with the exception of very young kittens. Simon is 10 months. I really appreciate all of the information more than you know...

I just got off of the phone with the vet and he said that Simon's liver is functioning and that the jaundice should begin to reverse itself now that he will be getting adequate nutrition and fluids. The vet put an IV in Simon last night in addition to the feeding tube. He is still very weak though.

The meds that Simon is on to my knowledge are: Prenisilone 15 mg 2x/day, human interferon, amino b plex, clavamox, pentoxiphylline, and antibiotic drops for his eyes.

Thanks again...Jennifer W.
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 04:30 PM
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Question about Simon

Question???

Simon also has ulcers on both of his eyes and a sore on his skin on his left side which the vet said is a skin necrosis. He said that it would get bigger and then eventually heal. There does not seem to be any infection.

Simon also has ulcers in his mouth.

Is anyone familiar with this? If you are new to reading about Simon; he also may have FIP.

Any information would be appreciated
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Old August 3rd, 2007, 04:52 PM
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jowilson,everyone here knows I love my cats and would do just about anything for them,to keep them with me.
But I don't know if I would let any of my cats suffer through what Simon has to live through,it just sounds like a terrible ordeal for this little guy.
What is the vet saying? What are his chances?
The jaundice is probably from liverproblems,I had a cat once he was diabetic, on insulin,unfortunately also got cancer,he was a white cat and the yellowing was very noticable,he eventually could take no more and was put to sleep,unlike Simon,he was 17yrs old.
I am not critizising you for doing what you feel you have to for Simon,I just hope you know when this little kitty has had enough,of course I hope he will do well and will survive,we all do...
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Old August 6th, 2007, 09:34 AM
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Hello,

We let Simon go on Saturday Morning. He was just too ill to make it.

Thanks for all of your thoughts and prayers.

Simon:
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Old August 6th, 2007, 10:14 AM
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What an incredible fight you have been through. You must be exhausted! Simon was very courageous. The little one is at peace; and you must feel a sense of peace knowing he was given every last chance to live. I would try to look on it as "it was his time" to go.
Take the time to grieve -very important for getting the balance back in your life. Grieving people repair themselves so they can meet the next challenges in life.

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Old August 6th, 2007, 11:05 AM
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Jo,as heartbreaking as it is for us all to loose a much loved friend,you did the right thing for Simon.
He is at peace now, sending you thank you's and kisses from the bridge.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 11:55 AM
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Oh Jennifer, I'm so so sorry about Simon. You gave him the ultimate, most loving gift. Please accept my condolences, and take care of yourself. Do come back and post when you're able, Simon has no doubt taught you a lot and it would be a great legacy to be able to share that with others.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 03:07 PM
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Thanks for all of the kind words...But, I still feel like I killed my kitten...
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Old August 7th, 2007, 03:19 PM
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You gave him every chance; his reserves just ran out, as with every living body. It must be terribly disappointing to have fought so hard and then to lose him. I don't know what the vet said but it sounds like some kind of systemic condition, maybe one of the viruses, which are so difficult to get on top of.
Bless his little heart and bless you for seeing it to the end.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 04:44 PM
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JoWilson,we all feel that way,guilt and remorse,even though we know it was the best for the kitty....I have 4 cats buried in my backyard,I still talk to them at times,say I'm sorry and cry a little.
Simon without a doubt had the best owner,who did not spare anything to try to save him,but it was just not to be:sad:
Give yourself time to grieve,cry until you can cry no more,but always remember he knew you loved him,his little body just could not take it anymore.
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Old August 10th, 2007, 03:00 PM
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Simon's Brother (Gabriel) is now ILL

Hello again,

Thanks for all of your words of encouragement.

After loosing Simon over the weekend, I told my son to take Simon's brother Gabriel to the vet to make sure that he was ok. He was running a fever. I was shocked. He has been acting and eating normally. The vet has kept him for the day so that he can run some tests.

I sent my son home to get the other two cats from the same litter and take them to the vet also. I haven't heard yet how that is going. The other two are Bagherra and Mary.

Please wish us luck. I swear that these are not neglected cats. One of my coworkers said that she would like to be a pet at my house because I spoil my cats so much. I just don't know what is happening to my 10 month old kittens.

We do have two 3 1/2 month old kittens who check out ok at the vet (they were taken in on Monday). We also have a 13-14 year old and a 3-4 year old who are also well.

Thanks again,

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Old August 10th, 2007, 03:15 PM
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Hi Jennifer- Good on you for following up on the other kittens! No thought ever crossed my mind that you were neglectful of your cats-on the contrary you are completely devoted to their well being. Hope you are recovering as best as you can from Simons death. I have all my fingers and toes crossed re the others!
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Aw... you have a houseful!

That all the rest are healthy and that Gabriel recovers quickly.
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Old August 10th, 2007, 04:49 PM
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Gabriel and Bagherra are ILL

Hey Guys,

Yes, I do have a house full. I never planned on having my own personal cat shelter but I can't stand to see neglected or abused animals. I have neighbors who bring cats home and then don't feed them or spay or neuter them so I do the best that I can. The police don't seem to care even when I call them.

I currently have 8 felines that I consider my cats. All have been spayed or neutered except 2 that are a little too young. They will be spayed though as soon as they are old enough.

I also feed 8 strays/neighbors cats.

We have taken the cats to the vet but one. I will take her in the morning (she was wild and will not let anyone else pick her up).

So far Gabriel and Bagherra are ILL . Five others are healthy and we will check on the other one in the morning. Mary the female of the litter is very healthy according to the vet.

Gabriel and Bagherra's WBC count is high just like Simon's was.

Please pray and keep your fingers crossed...

Thanks again,

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Old August 10th, 2007, 05:12 PM
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OMG Jennifer,why do these things happen:sad: we will for Gabriel and Bagherra.
As with the others,it never entered my mind that you would be a neglectful owner,you so obviously love yours and others cats.
Please,please let the 2 kittys be ok
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I'm sorry for your loss of Simon & the sickness of the other kitties

I'm also sorry I didn't see this thread earlier. Any cat that has or is suspected to have Feline Infectious Peritonitis needs to be isolated from all other cats, unless they also have FIP. It is very contagious - transmitted through any bodily fluids most common sneezing, saliva, cat fights & can also be transmitted by inanimate objects such as bedding, blankets, shoes etc.

I am not a Vet but here are some clinical signs of FIP:

-affects many organs
-fever
-lethargy
-pain on palpitation of the abdomen
-yellowing of the gums, eyes, skin & conjunctivitia (eyes)
-weight loss
-dehydration
-anemia
-depression
-breathing difficulties
-fluid in the lungs
-abdomen looks bloated

Often FIP & Coronavirus Enteritis (mild intestinal diesase) can be mistaken for each other through blood test only, however because you have had Simon back into the house w/the other cats PLEASE have all other cats in your care tested for FIP, most Vets will have the " FIP Titer snap test" so results are generally known quickly.

I read through the whole thread & it sounds like you have a good vet but I can't believe they allowed Simon to come home w/out explicit instructions to keep him isolated from all other cats & with strict hand washing/cleaning instructions :sad:

This site has great information regarding FIP
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...&S=0&C=0&A=681


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Old August 11th, 2007, 04:11 PM
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I'm very sorry to hear about Simon. Sending lots of good wishes for Gabriel and Bagherra.
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Old August 13th, 2007, 05:55 PM
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Simons Siblings

Hello again,

My son and I took all of our cats to the vet. Simon's other litter mates; Gabriel, Bagherra, and Mary all had a fever despite showing no other signs of illness.

Gabriel and Bagherra's WBC were elevated at 35,000. Mary's lab work was normal.

Our vet is sending blood to an outside lab to see if what the FIP Titer shows.

It's weird that only the litter mates show signs of illness and not the others.

We are waiting to hear back from the vet but in the mean time I am keeping a close eye on the others.

Thanks so much,

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Old August 14th, 2007, 08:16 AM
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Jo,we are all hoping to hear some good news soon,please keep us updated
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I just came across your thread....You are an angel and a saviour to these poor souls. I wish you all the luck with the litter mates and your own cats. I hope they make it through this...
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Old August 15th, 2007, 04:51 PM
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Simon's Litter Mates

Hey Guys,

Bagheera and Gabriel had FIP titers of 1:166; and 1:360. Mary's titer has not come back yet. Does anyone really understand these titer scores? I do not.

Last week Mary's WBC's were within normal range.

Gabriel and Bagheera's were around 35,000 each.

Other than high WBC's all of the other lab results for all three cats was normal. The vet said "textbook" except for the WBC count.

We have had all three cats on Clavamox for a week; Gabriel and Bagheera have also been on Prenisolone, Amino B-Plex, and Denamarin for liver support since that was an issue with Simon. Thanks for recommending the denasyl and the marin. The vet was happy to add this as a part of the treatment protocol.

New lab work this week on all three cats shows that their WBC's have all dropped at least 1,500 points even Mary's which was high normal last week.

All three cats are behaving normally; have normal activity levels and are eating very well. Gabriel has actually gained weight since last week and he was a little plump to begin with. I will worry about his weight more when he is well. Simon stopped eating and so the vet said it was ok to leave food out at all times for these kittens (10 months old).

Mary has a slight temp at 103F. The boys have normal temps.

I am trying not to get too excited but they seem ok physically and their lab results have improved.

Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions, thoughts, etc? And, does anyone understand the FIP Titer's?

Thanks again,

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Old August 15th, 2007, 05:31 PM
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I've never had to have the FIP Titer test done so I can't give a def answer but to my understanding the 1:166 & 1:360 means your cat has 1 part antibody in 166 parts blood & 1 part antibody in 360 parts blood the higher the last number means there is less antibodies present which is what we want - that means the virus is not present or not as virulent.

According to VeterinaryPartner.com:
1. Lymphopenia (<1.5 x 106/Fl)
2. Feline coronavirus antibody titer of $1:160
3. Hyperglobulinemia of > 5.1 g/dl

if a cat is showing signs & ALL test results show as above, the cat had a positive predictive value of 88.9% for FIP. Other vets on the site dispute the validity of the predictive value

I'm unsure about the WBC results your vet gave you because the results I get here the units & reference range look like this for a normal reading:

White Cell count units: amount x10.9/L (10.9 WBC per Litre of blood) & normal reference range: 4.0-16.0 meaning 4-16 wbc per litre of blood

so it's hard to convert the 35,000 without knowing how much was taken & what the range your vet works with

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...&S=0&C=0&A=230


Hopefully one of the Dr.s here will jump in to give you a medical explanation - you could always PM them (to be sure they see this) & ask that they give you some advice

on good test results so far for Mary's results

Thank you so much for having all the cats tested
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Old August 17th, 2007, 04:08 PM
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Please I need information...

Hello,

As you know I recently lost a cat to FIP. Now Simon's litter mates are ill.

They were taken to the vet for a checkup and had a low grade fever and WBC count in 35,000 range.

The 10month old kittens were placed on Clavamox and Prenisolone. It has been a week now and they are not running any fever and their lab results show a drop in their WBC count of at least 1,500 pts per cat.

The vet had them on 10 mg prednisolone bid and now he is reducing gradually until we get to 5 mg once a day. I am afraid to reduce the prednisolone but willl do as vet says.

The FIP titers were around 1:160 and 1:300.

When my other cat was ill his lab work was worse every week. The only abnormal lab work for these kittens is of course the FIP titer and the WBC count; everything else seems to be normal.

Any ideas?

Thank You...Jennifer W.
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Old August 17th, 2007, 04:32 PM
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Jennifer,I wish I had some ideas,but I've never experienced this with any of my cats,I just hope your little guys will be ok
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