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How come I can never find the go natural salmon on the internet?!
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K, phoenix posted the ingredients in the other thread (thanks phoenix!).. But it's so oaty. And has citric acid.. Menadione has been removed already, I believe.
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If I were you ( ) I would contact Peter and ask him if he is/will consider making a RM Orijen. You know his customer service is sooo much better than TO's. And, if TO was finally available in QC what if they eventually cheapened their food....you'd never get a reply from them. The food change could just happen too because IMO if a company provides such lousy customer service they don't have a consience. |
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I just read "somewhere else" that somebody got a back of TO kibble and inside the bag was the wrong kibble.
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I'm wondering because Evo RM is 487 KCals/Cup, and their canned food (for rabbit) is 489 KCals/13.2 oz. can... And the cans I can get for about $2.30 each. So one cup + one can... And the can might be easier on the kidneys and more balanced with the phosphorus (they're supposed to contain the whole animal proportions...)...
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$2.30 a can for EVO rabbit?? holy heck it's $3.29 at my local petstore u;m... where, please? i may have to go stock up... the beanies have never had rabbit, i just can't afford it
could boo eat a turkey-based kibble, in theory? ps: why does my big lug need 2500 cals/day so his ribs don't show? grrrrrrr being eaten out of house and home here... help!
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I don't think he could. He pucked on duck, too.
Do you think it's a good idea though? Half Evo RM and half canned rabbit or venison? Hey have you checked your guy's thyroid? Maybe he's hyper. |
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Oh and http://canada411.yellowpages.ca/busi...ound&pstype=si
Might be $2.60 a can but definitely under $3.00. |
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See, this is what bugs me- the Innova Large Breed says this:
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hey, have you thought of adding a bit of calcium to the food, to balance out the phosporus?? say 2/3 of dry, 1/3 of canned, and then some powdered eggshells sprinkled in there? can they tolerate raw eggs (as a binder for the food)? i talked to dakotah's breeder and there is zero history of thyroid problems in his bloodlines, she thinks it's his young age, metabolism and levels of exercise that make him need so many calories... he's in super health, just needs alot of food, like those guys who can eat buckets of chicken and then bags of chips and washed down with soda every day and never gain an ounce
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I just checked and the regular evo is way high too...
Calcium 2.85 % Phosphorous 1.50 % Maybe the water in the canned will flush out all the Ca and P? I guess the only upside is that most of it is from natural sources and not mineral add-ons. (Unless they're dumb enough to add more in there anyway.. I so hope not) |
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Sorry, I have ADD tonight...
Maybe when Dakotah stops growing, he'll have less of a metabolic energy requirement. If you ever have extra cash lying around, I'd get the blood test anyway. Hyperthyroid can be non-genetic too (like me!). The immune system can just decide to attack it out of nowhere and depending on the type of antibodies, it might cause the thyroid to become overactive by immitating thyroid stimulating hormone (like me!). No history of diabetes either, eh? |
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I did, and then I realized as I was writing, that I had already emailed them about a month ago, and they never replied.
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Prin why are you afraid of EVO???
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The phosphorus and calcium levels are way higher than most other foods, and I've heard stories of dogs getting organ issues on Evo. They're just stories, and who knows if they're true, but I'm still wary, even without them.
If they say, like I said above, that the ideal Ca/P balance is 0.9/0.7%, then how can they justify it being so much higher in evo? And what does the difference do to my dog? Last edited by Prin; October 21st, 2006 at 05:52 PM. |
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That's why I'm feedign the rest of the evo rm, then the rest of the dvp and seeign if her ear scratched bum licks get better...
Might go back to wellness whitefish till I get something good out of TO.
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I think I might stick with the evo and give canned too. Wouldn't that help? I mean, wouldn't the extra water help flush out the kidneys a bit more?
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I would email Innova back again and ask them why it's so much higher in the EVO than the regular.
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Would it actually be more water though? I've given cider nasty high energy nutro on occasion when he weight has dropped weirdly low and it looks like I don't feed her.. She just starts to drink less..
Wouldn't it then sorta even out and not necessarily fix the balance?
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I don't think the canned would give them enough extra water. Will they eat it if you mix in more water and make it like a slurry?
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Well, right now with the DVP with citric acid, I can't add water... Hey, is that a risk? Like with them drinking more because of the fish oil (), and eating DVP with citric acid, are they more likely to get bloat?
Hmmm... Yeah, the water thing is useless... See, the other thing is the canned rabbit has a lot of salt, so maybe that will make them drink even more? Canned Rabbit: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271395%27%5D I just thought the canned would be more properly balanced than the DVP, so mixing half and half would be better than evo RM alone. Evo RM: http://www.naturapet.com/display.php...D%271404%27%5D This is so difficult, eh? |
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It is.. Mix multiple foods cause you hate them all.. you get a possible allergy.. Cut back to one.. you hate it so you whine till the food is all gone..
Need a new food then, and have to pick something I'm not thrilled with cause what I'd like to try I can't get. I didn't appreciate WK enough when it wasn't sketch.. The ease of just feeding it.. I then wanted to add in a little barking.. make it a lil more complicated... I was a fool.
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I just know that my doggies would love to eat rabbit... Especially Boo. He licks his lips when he sees rabbits. I think he ate them before.
I think I'll wait till Monday and call Innova, rather than start writing email #3... After that, I have no idea. I just don't like the DVP enough to feed it alone, and the only thing that sucks about the Evo RM is the calcium and phosphorus. The ingredients are good, but I'm not sure if they'd have more allergens for Boo than the DVP. Then again, Boo's not licking today. And I don't like the citric acid in the DVP, especially for Boo. He is the ultimate deep chested dog. |
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