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Old January 29th, 2011, 01:09 PM
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Quick update!

Nookie has had a few probs this last week. He had a bit of internal bleeding and he's slightly anemic again. They're thinking it's still being caused by the pred, even though he's only on 2.5MG every 3rd day now, so they said to just stop it. It's not at a therapeutic dose and hasn't been for a couple of months now, so there's no point in continuing it.

His Thyroid panel came back from Dr. Dodds and he does have a low thyroid!!
Does the fact that it makes me very happy make me a bad mommy?
It does explain a few things. So he's now on Thyroid medication. Hopefully we will see an improvement in his coat/anemia/attitude/weight (he's up to 105.5 lbs even though we have cut his food back!)
Dr. Dodds actually made a note at the bottom saying that his Thyroid levels are below the minimum acceptable levels and are possibly contributing to the seizure activity. Wouldn't that be great if that's been the cause all along? Well... except for the meningoencephalitis, which he's hopefully fully recovered from now. I sure hope the random seizures stop now that he's on medication!

Dr. Marsden is leaving for a month in the middle of Feb and said at some point we need to be brave and get him off the phenobarbital, so we're dropping his dose from once every 12 hours to once a day. Dr. Marsden is doing it this way so that if Nookie starts having seizures again, he will still be here and be able to treat him and put him back on the pheno if needed.

So all in all, we're pretty happy! A bit nervous about weaning the pheno, but it needs to be done. Nookie has been very active since starting the Thyroid meds (and it's only been yesterday and today lol). He hasn't stopped since he woke up this morning... and by now, he's usually had a couple of naps
He's sure been a handful today, and we couldn't be happier
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All in all good news!! I'm happy for you. And for Nookie. He's such a sweet pup.
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Real promising news Rguerts...... I'm very happy for you all, it has been a long road
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Old January 29th, 2011, 01:57 PM
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Hopefully, you're finally getting to the bottom of all this. Sending lots of your way for Nookie.
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that is great news,hopefully everything will work out and Nookie-Boy will be fine
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I hope this is the light at the end of the tunnel for you and Nookie
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Yeah Nanook!!! I hope that once he's off the steroid and the meds kick in to regulate his thyroid that he'll be okay.

Happy that you are finding some answers and hope you are able to discontinue the phenobarbital with no issues
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I'm so glad things are starting to pick up for Nookie.

What great parents your are, not many would help him so much.

that the end of all his problems are near.

Please give Nookie and Thorin a big hug for me.
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Really praying and hoping that this is going to do the trick for Nanook! Dawg knows you've all been through the wringer!!! You need a happy ending!!
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Canine Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca

Nanook has been having trouble with his eyes for several months. They water so bad that it wets his cheeks all the way down the side of his face. We have asked all of the vets about it and no one seemed concerned at all. The internal specialist we were seeing did an eye stain, said it was normal and didn't think it was anything to worry about. Our regular vet thought it was due to allergies but didn't want to put him on antihistamines.

Well, it has gotten a lot worse. He's constantly pawing at them, the red rim around his eyes has gotten so thick and dark, he looks like a person who has some horrible disease (when their eyes get all puffy with bags and dark circles) so we took him back to the vet yesterday. Dr. Marsden (the Mrs. Marsden) said last week she thought he just had an eyelid problem and it was nothing to worry about, but yesterday she decided to do a Shirmer tear test, which he failed miserably and she diagnosed him with Dry Eye (Canine Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca). I just hope that it hasn't been let go for so long that it can't be treated. It can cause ulcers in the eye, blindness and other issues. We have to put ointment in his eyes twice a day and if it doesn't help, then we move on to artificial tears several times a day for life (from what I have read). I'm praying that it can be reversed, but from everything I have seen, it doesn't look promising. The tube of ointment last 1 week and is $60. I can't imagine having to do this for life

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Really praying and hoping that this is going to do the trick for Nanook! Dawg knows you've all been through the wringer!!! You need a happy ending!!
Thank you Hazel
I think the thryoid medication is going to help, we're very hopeful!
I know he will always have some kind of issues throughout his life, we've been told that many times. I just hope and pray that it's all manageable!
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she diagnosed him with Dry Eye (Canine Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca).
Oh, crap! Hope his eyes respond to the treatment, Robyn.
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Jeez, poor guy just can't catch a break . Your homeopathic vet will probably also be a good source for the eye thing. Hope it settles down soon .
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Oh, crap! Hope his eyes respond to the treatment, Robyn.

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Jeez, poor guy just can't catch a break . Your homeopathic vet will probably also be a good source for the eye thing. Hope it settles down soon .
Ya, it's the holistic vet that diagnosed him yesterday. We rarely see our traditional vet these days. We will know next Friday whether or not he is responding to the treatment. He has responded very well to most everything else, so we're hopeful
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<sigh> Poor Nanook and, of course, you and hubby too.

Is this connected to his immune system as well? I hope the ointment is able to help.
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Is this connected to his immune system as well? I hope the ointment is able to help.
They believe it is definitely part of his immune disorder. They are hopeful that once we get the thyroid under control and he's completely weaned off the phenobarbitol (he's off prednisone now, yay!) then some of these weird issues will resolve. They have told us quite a few times now that he's going to be one of those dogs that always has something wrong... some kind of issue. But they believe that whatever happens will be manageable with treatment and said he should live a happy life, so that's all we care about

Even with all these weird things going on, he's playful, alert and such a happy little boy
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That's great that he's at least off the pred now! How long do they figure it will take before he's off the phenobarb, too?
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That's great that he's at least off the pred now! How long do they figure it will take before he's off the phenobarb, too?
Well, they dropped him from 60mg 2x daily down to just 60mg at night, before bed. That's been a little over a week now. We have an appt. next Friday and they will see how he's doing at that time. They will check his "seizure aura", whatever that means lol. Dr. Marsden said he would like to see him off the phenobarb completely by the end of Feb. He is leaving town on Feb 15 and will be gone for a month, so I'm assuming he will have us drop it by half again for the second part of Feb. then be done with it. I would think if lowering the dose was going to have an ill effect, we would have seen a seizure in the last week? But who knows
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Even if it turned out he needed a minimal dosage to prevent seizures it would be a great improvement over what the poor little guy has had to deal with so far!!! But I hope you can wean him off entirely! Do you have a back-up vet to go to if something untoward happens (heaven forbid) while Dr Marsden is out of town?
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Even if it turned out he needed a minimal dosage to prevent seizures it would be a great improvement over what the poor little guy has had to deal with so far!!! But I hope you can wean him off entirely! Do you have a back-up vet to go to if something untoward happens (heaven forbid) while Dr Marsden is out of town?
Dr. Marsden has given us his email address so if something happens we can email him and he will get ahold of one of the vets at his clinic. If it is an emergency then we still have our regular vet and the emergency clinic. I do have a homeopathic remedy for seizure activity, it's called Stramonium. We give that to him if we see any weird, possible neurologic behaviour. We still have a few vials of Valium as well which can hold him over until Dr. Marsden emails me back. I'm sure he will have more specific instructions for us next week. He wanted the appt. next Friday so he can complete a full evaluation before he leaves
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Nookie isn't doing too well the last couple of days, so I think we will be heading back to the vet today instead of waiting for his checkup Friday. He has a nasty bladder infection. He was on antibiotics for a couple of weeks, Noroclav. He seemed to do better but his last dose was last Monday night and by the end of the week we knew the infection was back. We took him to our regular vet on Saturday and she put him on Baytril. But for the last 2 days we can't get him to eat, except last night ate a little dinner. This morning he threw up bile and refuses to eat again. He still seems to have some energy and wants to play, so I'm hoping and 'ing it's just the antibiotics that are upsetting his tummy. He had a very small bowel movement last night night, but that's the only one since Sunday
Keep him in your thoughts and 'ers please

He has been doing so well until the last little while. Hopefully this is something that will be resolved and he can get back to feeling really good again
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Oh Rguerts I'm so sorry to hear this news ....poor little guy just doesn't get a break.....My thoughts and 's are with you all
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Oh Rguerts I'm so sorry to hear this news ....poor little guy just doesn't get a break.....My thoughts and 's are with you all
Thank you, Chris. It's appreciated!
I'm really hoping it's just the antibiotic, but with him... I'm always such a neurotic mess, even over the tiniest things
He has never taken Baytril, so again, I'm hoping and ing that's all it is. I was also thinking it could be the Cyclosprine ointment for the Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca, but from what I understand, it just affects the eye. Who knows
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Oh no Robyn,poor little guy and poor you,the news brings tears to my eyes,I will certainly for our little trooper,who's spent such a long time fighting against one thing or the other and for you mf
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Poor Nookie.

All AB's can cause nausea but I'm wondering why your vet would prescribe Baytril when it can cause seizures in animals that are prone to having them.
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Here's what I just found at http://www.petmedications.com/petmedications/baytril ....

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As with most pet medication, there are some possible side effects with baytril. In dogs, rare, but potential side effects include, but are not limited to, gastrointestinal issues such as diarrhea or vomiting, elevated liver enzymes, seizures, depression and nervousness are also possible. Fluoroquinolones, such as baytril, can facilitate seizure activity in animals already prone to seizures and their usage should be limited accordingly. Also, due to potential joint and cartilage damage, it is often advised that Baytril should not be used in the younger canine during their rapid growth phase, approximately 2 to 8 months in small to medium dogs, 2 to 12 months in larger dogs and 2 to 18 months in giant breeds.
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Oh no Robyn,poor little guy and poor you,the news brings tears to my eyes,I will certainly for our little trooper,who's spent such a long time fighting against one thing or the other and for you mf
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Poor Nookie.

All AB's can cause nausea but I'm wondering why your vet would prescribe Baytril when it can cause seizures in animals that are prone to having them.
It's funny that you should mention that rainbow...
I was online looking at the possible side effects when I noticed that everything (and every website) I was reading said the same thing:
Should not be given to dogs who are prone to seizures
I immediately called Dr. Marsden (Karen) and told her my concerns. She put me on hold and then came back and said the other vet must have had a lapse in judgement or just made an error because Nookie should not be on Baytril. She said it can cause joint problems as well as seizures and restlessness and should only be used as a "big gun" when there is no other alternative. So she has told me to stop giving it to him and is calling in a different antibiotic to Costco for me to pick up tonight. And vets wonder why people always complain about the cost!! I paid $40 for a 1 week supply of something that could cause serious damage to my baby! What a waste...


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Thank you so much LP, it's very appreciated
I have spoken with both Dr. Marsdens (Mr and Mrs) today. They said as long as he has some energy he should be fine until Friday. They both think it's the Baytril that has killed his appetite. Dr. Steve said that if he doesn't have a bowel movement today then we need to go in for x-rays tomorrow. He told me to fry some burger because the flavor might be more appealing and to steep some grated ginger (make tea out of it) and give him 1 tbsp every 15 minutes for a total of 4-5 tbsp then offer him food. If he isn't eating after trying fried burger and ginger tea and gets more lethargic, I will take him in tomorrow
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It's funny that you should mention that rainbow...
I was online looking at the possible side effects when I noticed that everything (and every website) I was reading said the same thing:
Should not be given to dogs who are prone to seizures
I immediately called Dr. Marsden (Karen) and told her my concerns. She put me on hold and then came back and said the other vet must have had a lapse in judgement or just made an error because Nookie should not be on Baytril. She said it can cause joint problems as well as seizures and restlessness and should only be used as a "big gun" when there is no other alternative. So she has told me to stop giving it to him and is calling in a different antibiotic to Costco for me to pick up tonight. And vets wonder why people always complain about the cost!! I paid $40 for a 1 week supply of something that could cause serious damage to my baby! What a waste...
I would be mighty ticked off and said "and what am I supposed to do with the baytril".
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