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Old November 21st, 2010, 03:44 PM
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Nookie had his follow-up visit today. Our vet did more blood work. His RBC went from 8.8% on Saturday evening to 14% today! Hubby asked if that was because of the transfusion and the vet said no, it was because he is generating red blood cells "like mad"

They will be doing another blood test on Friday and sending it off to the lab. They are going to check for something (can't remember what she called it) to see if the blood cells are actually maturing. They also did an ultrasound on his chest/stomach to check for free floating fluids to make sure he isn't losing blood into his chest cavity or abdomen and all looks well. His organs and everything inside all look normal except for 1 adrenal gland but they think it's because of the pred and weren't too concerned about it. We are stopping the Azathioprine and dropping the pred to 5mg daily and praying he doesn't have a seizure. All in all, he's doing very well today!! His appetite is back, he's being silly, though a bit lethargic which is to be expected at only 14% RBC. Our vet said most dogs would be dead at 13%. Everyone at the clinic was absolutely amazed he made it through the weekend, including our vet. He's such a little fighter
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Robyn,Nookie is an amazing pup for sure and you and DH are amazing too
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Oh, great news! Keep fighting, Nanook!!!!
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Robyn,Nookie is an amazing pup for sure and you and DH are amazing too
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Thank you chico! He truly is an amazing pup, such a strong little boy
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Oh, great news! Keep fighting, Nanook!!!!
He's fighting!!
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And everything else that I can send. Nookie - you are an amazing pup!! Mom and Dad are pretty neat too!!
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And everything else that I can send. Nookie - you are an amazing pup!! Mom and Dad are pretty neat too!!
Thank you 14+!!! He amazes everyone here! Vets, friends... hubby and I
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Nookie wasn't doing too well yesterday morning. I had the day off to stay with him, he's too weak for daycare right now. He wouldn't eat yesterday morning, wouldn't lift his little head and barely managed to open his eyes halfway to look at me. I was terrified and called the vet. They told me to take him to a vet in own (our vet is almost an hour away) and have a blood test done. I called and scheduled an appt. and I was just getting ready to put his boots and sweater on him when he got up, shook and walked over to his bowl and ate
I was baffled, to say the least. Apparently he had done the same thing with Shaun the day before, prior to going to the vet. He had very stinky gas and was burping prior to getting up. We finally noticed a pattern! Anywhere from an hour and a half to 2 hours after getting the 3rd of his tummy pills(he gets 3, 1 hour apart for each), he would get up and get perky again.

I took him in for the blood test anyway, just to ease my mind. I was afraid his RBC was falling even more and making him so lethargic. The vet called last night and said the clinic I went to had only requested a partial CBC, so she contacted the lab and had them run the additional tests she needed. She said his RBC was up to 18%!!
She had the clinic call me this morning to give the results of the rest of the test and asked them to let me know the results are "beautiful!". He's regenerating red blood cells and they are maturing

Our vet seems to think the lethargy is due to a sick tummy and nothing more at this point, so it took a load off our minds!! He has passed some pretty surprising "objects" in the last few days, courtesy of the old daycare . We are thinking there is still something in his intestines and that's what's making him sick, so hopefully he will pass it soon.

He was playing with Thorin last night, barking and howling at mama and being a cute, silly boy again. He really has been a tough little guy, and a miracle up to this point
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So glad that his RBC metabolism is normalizing!!! And I do hope his lethargy is just tummy upset from the pills and not some foreign object working its way through... Nanook, you have to stop noshing on the world! The whole world is NOT edible!
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Robyn,I am always a little worried opening your posts,I think we all want so badly for him to get 100% well.
As for the day-care,don't they watch the dogs to make sure they don't eat everything
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I can't believe I just read this post. I'm so sorry Robyn what your going through with your pup. I'm sending lots of prayers for a recovery.
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I just read thro all this thread, and am sorry to hear what you've been going thro with Nanook. It really has been a roller coaster for you and the pup. I haven't noticed it in any of the other postings, but it seems this pup just can't stop ingesting stuff (sox, plastic, whatever) and that this is a lot of his problem. Wouldn't it make sense to have a muzzle on him at all times, so he can't eat anything, only take it off when he eats? You can't trust the daycare people to catch that he doesn't eat something he shouldn't. Hopefully when he's older, he'll grow out of this habit of eating stuff. My son's year old Lab ate a sock and it blocked his intestine, and it cost him $4000 (Seattle area) in surgery to remove it. So far I think you've been lucky that he hasn't developed a blockage. I dunno, if Nanook was my dog, I'd have a muzzle on him until he proved he can be trusted not to eat "junk".
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Robyn,I am always a little worried opening your posts,I think we all want so badly for him to get 100% well.
As for the day-care,don't they watch the dogs to make sure they don't eat everything
He's been to 2 different daycares. The first he started going to a week after we got him, and it's awesome. The owner just adores him and the girls are very good. They even made him a special pen that has a floor drain for when he pees (courtesy of the pred ), put only 1 dog at a time in with him so he can play, fix his food special with all his pancreas-v and supplements and call me at the first sign of any trouble. The problem started when the owner hired a girl who thought we were neglecting Nanook and not feeding him properly. She insisted that we needed to feed him a raw diet even though I had told her the specialist (who is pro-raw btw) said he cannot have anything raw, even veggies and that raw meat could kill him with no immune system. But everytime I picked him up, she would corner me, insist that I go to her "meat guy" with her and "start taking care of Nanook". Needless to say, I was livid. Hubby and I have done everything within our power to take care of him and decided someone like her could be dangerous. We were afraid she was going to bring in raw food and feed him, so we found a different daycare.

I had spoken with the owner (very nice lady) and advised her of all his problems. She said they could handle it and her girls were great. The last time I took him there was 6 weeks ago. They were given instructions he was NOT to be crated because our specialist said it could stress him out and cause a seizure, or have access to any toys whatsoever because he has pica and would ingest them. When I picked him up the last time, he was frantic. He ran outside and peed. His urine was almost a dark orange and stunk. They had to have crated him for several hours. He pees clear because of the pred, but will not pee in a crate. I got him home and he had a seizure 40 mins later, after being seizure free for 9 and a half weeks

3 weeks after, he starting pooping pieces of a toy so I called them. They said they didn't give him anything at all and it didn't come from there. Luckily I took a picture of what he pooped
On Sunday he pooped part of the same toy, but a different color! So Monday I went to the daycare, and sure enough, what he had been pooping out was hanging right on the wall for sale, in BOTH colors!
I immediately called the owner, told her everything that had happened. She tried to defend them saying they were well aware he was not to have any toys or anything he could ingest, so he didn't get it from there. I told her I had a pic of his poo and it matched the toys they use and I'd be happy to email it to her. She called me back later that day and apologized and said she would take care of it. She's just lucky I'm not the type of person to take her to court. It was pure neglect. I will, however, be leaving a complaint with the BBB and reviews so maybe others will be aware before leaving their kids with them.

The girl we were worried about is no longer at the old daycare, so that's where he has been going the last 6 weeks. I am very confident with them. They just adore him and they do not use toys at all.


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I just read thro all this thread, and am sorry to hear what you've been going thro with Nanook. It really has been a roller coaster for you and the pup. I haven't noticed it in any of the other postings, but it seems this pup just can't stop ingesting stuff (sox, plastic, whatever) and that this is a lot of his problem. Wouldn't it make sense to have a muzzle on him at all times, so he can't eat anything, only take it off when he eats? You can't trust the daycare people to catch that he doesn't eat something he shouldn't. Hopefully when he's older, he'll grow out of this habit of eating stuff. My son's year old Lab ate a sock and it blocked his intestine, and it cost him $4000 (Seattle area) in surgery to remove it. So far I think you've been lucky that he hasn't developed a blockage. I dunno, if Nanook was my dog, I'd have a muzzle on him until he proved he can be trusted not to eat "junk".
Hi catlover2, Nanook does have a problem with ingesting inedible objects. He has pica. It's not due to him being a bad puppy, it's due to his health issues and all the medications he is on, he has no control over it. We're hoping that someday it will change, but that's actually one of the lesser problems he has. We do muzzle him when he goes outside, but not in the house. Most of the problems occurred prior to us knowing he had pica. We caught him trying to eat a sock about 3 months ago, took it away and he immediately went and grabbed another and tried to swallow if before we could catch him. Hubby had to reach in to his throat and pull it out. Since then we have removed anything he could eat. Our home is now very puppy proof. He's not even allowed toys unless we are right there watching him play. The toys are then put away when he's done, or thrown out if they become damaged. The problem has stemmed from daycare and irresponsible people watching him. It took about 3 weeks for him to pass the socks he did ingest before we realized what was happening and about a month to pass a rope chew toy, and between 3 and 6 weeks passing the toys from daycare. We feel very fortunate that he has not had a blockage.
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This pup has really had it's problems

What in raw food would kill him? If he has such a compromised immune system then to me, he shouldn't be in a daycare with other pups that could pass on viruses, parasites and bacteria that would normally be pretty harmless in healthy dogs.

Also, if he truly does want to chew something due to his pica, then muzzling, if you can't crate him, is really a good idea. It is unreasonable to watch a dog 24/7, you have to sleep and work sometime . I know somebody whose dog chewed up their sofa cushions (brand new sofa too), so there is always something for a dog to chew on, if it wants to. I hope he does grow out of it , that can be so dangerous and he doesn't need that on top of his other health issues
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What in raw food would kill him?

They told us it was parasites and bacteria that are present in raw food, even frozen would have some amount. Most dogs are fine with it and fight it off without a problem, but because of the Eosinophillic Syndrome, prednisone and azathioprine, his immune system is non-existant.

If he has such a compromised immune system then to me, he shouldn't be in a daycare with other pups that could pass on viruses, parasites and bacteria that would normally be pretty harmless in healthy dogs.

We did ask the vet about that. She said even walking outside to go to the bathroom will expose him. Our other boy, Thorin, could expose him as well. As for the daycare, she asked if he enjoyed going or got stressed out. We told her he really enjoys it. She said we can't put him in a bubble and that he needs to have a bit of fun to nurture his spirit, and that dogs, like people, get depressed. She feels that could be just as detrimental as the physical ailments. The daycare he's at now, they have made him a special pen to keep him away from the other dogs. They have one dog that Nanook just loves, his name is Chance. They put Chance with him so they can play. Also, we don't really have a choice. Hubby and I both have to work to pay his huge vet bills

Also, if he truly does want to chew something due to his pica, then muzzling, if you can't crate him, is really a good idea. It is unreasonable to watch a dog 24/7, you have to sleep and work sometime .
I know somebody whose dog chewed up their sofa cushions (brand new sofa too), so there is always something for a dog to chew on, if it wants to. I hope he does grow out of it , that can be so dangerous and he doesn't need that on top of his other health issues
He doesn't chew furniture at all (at least not to this point). It's just things he can get his mouth around, like toys, socks etc. He's been alone with cushions and has never chewed. At home, it isn't a problem at all anymore. We have it managed pretty well. And having Thorin, and us, to play with keeps him occupied. At night he sleeps with DH, myself and Thorin with the bedroom door closed. There is nothing for him to get in his mouth. He hasn't ingested anything recently. The last was at the previous daycare 6 weeks ago , and it's still working it's way through.
We hope he grows out of it as well. We are down to a 5mg daily dose of pred and no azathioprine, so hopefully that will help
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He doesn't chew furniture at all (at least not to this point). It's just things he can get his mouth around, like toys, socks etc. He's been alone with cushions and has never chewed. At home, it isn't a problem at all anymore. We have it managed pretty well. And having Thorin, and us, to play with keeps him occupied. At night he sleeps with DH, myself and Thorin with the bedroom door closed. There is nothing for him to get in his mouth. He hasn't ingested anything recently. The last was at the previous daycare 6 weeks ago , and it's still working it's way through.
We hope he grows out of it as well. We are down to a 5mg daily dose of pred and no azathioprine, so hopefully that will help
My friends dog didn't either, until one day she went home for lunch to let her dogs out and ........, well you can imagine what she discovered

Could chemicals from what he chews be causing some of his health issues? As well, if it doesn't pass through the digestive system quickly, then the immune system could be kicking in causing havoc .
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My friends dog didn't either, until one day she went home for lunch to let her dogs out and ........, well you can imagine what she discovered

Could chemicals from what he chews be causing some of his health issues? As well, if it doesn't pass through the digestive system quickly, then the immune system could be kicking in causing havoc .
Well, from what they have told us, he has Eosinophillic Syndrome (which the specialist said is pretty much the equivalent of Lupus in a person). He was born with it, and now they are seriously considering the fact that the immunizations he got just escalated everything and completely screwed up his immune system, and most likely, now, has Vaccinosis as well. The holistic vet said it added fuel to the fire and that he never should have had any vaccines after the first seizure. But he did... they gave him a combo and rabies in the same day, which apparently is a big "no no", as well as dewormers (heart worms) and a seizure occurred the following day after 5 1/2 weeks of doing great. .

The only things he's eaten are the socks and dog toys. I would *hope* there are no harmful chemicals in the toys, but I guess you never know. He's not a "chewer" at all. He just eats whatever he can fit in his little mouth. As for the furniture, I'm not too worried about it. Even though we don't watch him 24/7, we are there with him, in the same room, when he isn't at daycare. He's never left alone because if he seizures, he could die from 1) lack of oxygen 2) Aspiration and Pulmonary Edema (which happened with a seizure in the summer). Hubby and I go out once a month for a "date night" and MIL watches the monster. Otherwise, when he's at home, he's with us

I guess the reason he's finally passing everything now is because he was so anemic from the drugs that his digestive system wasn't working properly. Once he had the blood transfusion Saturday night, it kicked his digestive system into high gear and now it's pushing everything through. The vet said she wouldn't be surprised if some of it has been in his little gut for months
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I know!! Poor little monster...
Oh, he does eat other things (or did) like dirt, which he was obssessed with, small rocks and concrete chips, which is why he is muzzled to go potty now hehe
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I say it too,OMG
Some cheaper toys"made in China,might be toxic,maybe all the stuff he ate,is what made him sick in the first place
I have to look up Pica,I've no idea what it is...
I am glad the day-care let that girl go and he's now back to the place he loves
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I say it too,OMG
Some cheaper toys"made in China,might be toxic,maybe all the stuff he ate,is what made him sick in the first place
I have to look up Pica,I've no idea what it is...
I am glad the day-care let that girl go and he's now back to the place he loves
Pica is an obsession with eating items that are inedible. I had never heard of it prior to all this. But apparently a lot of pregnant women get it

We are so glad to be able to take him to the first daycare. I never worry about him at all when he's there, and he's always so happy when we pick him up
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Pica is an obsession with eating items that are inedible. I had never heard of it prior to all this. But apparently a lot of pregnant women get it

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Totally Rguerts...I was reading in the paper the other day that the eating of excessive ice cubes in humans is a sign of an "iron deficiency" and the Doctor writing the articles also called that "Pica".
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Totally Rguerts...I was reading in the paper the other day that the eating of excessive ice cubes in humans is a sign of an "iron deficiency" and the Doctor writing the articles also called that "Pica".
LoL Chris, that wasn't
How weird... monster LOVES ice cubes too. When he gets bored we give him a few ice cubes... they will entertain him for as long as we keep giving them. I had a friend just recently who craved ice when she was pregant. It was SO funny... it had to be a certain type and the only place she could find it was at Ikea, so we would spend our lunch hour going to get her ice

Wonder if she had Pica??
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Wonder if she had Pica??
Funny that you mention that cos it said that sometimes women who are pregnant crave ice and it could be a sign of an iron deficiency....they didn't mention Ikea though
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Just a quick update!

Monster went in for his follow-up CBC today. We had no idea how low his RBC was last Saturday when he had the transfusion. On Friday afternoon (last week) he was at 2.7, by Saturday around noon he was down to 1.25

We leave for the states in a couple of weeks, so I got copies of all the recent blood tests to put in his file at home in case he has to see a vet down south and when I saw the one from Saturday, my heart about leaped out of my chest. I know they said he was in really bad shape, but Shaun and I had no idea it was that low. I didn't know you could survive at that level
But that would explain why they didn't think he would make it through the weekend. Guess he fooled them (again)!!

I'm very happy to say that his RBC is at 7.48 today, on the high side of normal!! *does the happy dance*
His white blood count is a bit low, but the vet on duty said that could be because his body was working so hard to pump out the red blood cells, and he does have Giardia. But overall, his CBC was great! She told us to take it home and frame it

As long as he continues to fight, we will too
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