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You too Well I did want to try the SG Barking at the Moon but since I've sent 3 emails asking if their ingredients have changed and no reply I'm leaning toward the Senior Orijen. Seems like many are very happy with this product
GG, sorry to hear about your girl's problems and certainly hope it clears up soon.

We switched to Orijen Senior from Orijen 6fish about two weeks ago not for any digestive problems but because Hobo the little vacuum is a tad overweight. There are less carbs in this formula and the protein sources were what I consider good so we decided to try it. They both made the transition easily and Hobo does appear to be a little less chunky so we will stick with it.

BTW, before the Orijen 6 fish we were on Adult Orijen so have been using it for several years and both dogs have done exceptionally well on it. They are both seniors now...Ginger is 15 and Hobo is 11.
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Breeze IMD :sad: Would ultra-sound & x-rays verify this condition, just curious as that's the next step for Brandi if the diarrhea doesn't stop? What are you feeding now? I guess like Brandi you'd need a grain-free low carb with high animal protein right?

Kandy lol ya I think it would be a fair statement ... she's wiped clean and really she could be allergic to corn. I've read many are. I think the vets see the Hills work because the diarrhea stops but only because there is Beet Pulp = stool hardener in it. May as well give Ole Roy with Imodium and save yourself about $100 still just a bandage

BenMax re Dr Lee as far as the medical stuff it's a wait and see situation but of course if he could help with a diagnosis ... hell I'm in

DiandPat Thank you. LOL Hobo the little vacuum o I'm glad to hear Senior Orijen is helping them both good to hear, wow 15 & 11
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Breeze IMD :sad: Would ultra-sound & x-rays verify this condition, just curious as that's the next step for Brandi if the diarrhea doesn't stop? What are you feeding now? I guess like Brandi you'd need a grain-free low carb with high animal protein right?

Kandy lol ya I think it would be a fair statement ... she's wiped clean and really she could be allergic to corn. I've read many are. I think the vets see the Hills work because the diarrhea stops but only because there is Beet Pulp = stool hardener in it. May as well give Ole Roy with Imodium and save yourself about $100 still just a bandage

BenMax re Dr Lee as far as the medical stuff it's a wait and see situation but of course if he could help with a diagnosis ... hell I'm in

DiandPat Thank you. LOL Hobo the little vacuum o I'm glad to hear Senior Orijen is helping them both good to hear, wow 15 & 11
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Breeze IMD :sad: Would ultra-sound & x-rays verify this condition, just curious as that's the next step for Brandi if the diarrhea doesn't stop? What are you feeding now? I guess like Brandi you'd need a grain-free low carb with high animal protein right?

Kandy lol ya I think it would be a fair statement ... she's wiped clean and really she could be allergic to corn. I've read many are. I think the vets see the Hills work because the diarrhea stops but only because there is Beet Pulp = stool hardener in it. May as well give Ole Roy with Imodium and save yourself about $100 still just a bandage

nope ultra sound and/or x-rays will not show what we need, it will only show an obstruction, or mass the best would be a scope.
I need to find a low protien low fat no millet or chicken fat diet..
we were feeding "NOW" then the price went up could not real afford it and Archie and Bree was not realy eating it either so we switched to taste of the wild fish was doing not to bad but then she had a flaire up and will not go back to eating it .. so I am feeding hamburger and rice at the moment ( thats all she will eat) with some supplements until we can figure this out... it's not easy..

the second part of your statment made me laugh, thank you I needed to laugh..
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GG if it's an allergy have you thought about

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Breeze have you ever thought of trying a veggie formula and maybe adding some stuff? or what about something like a venison or duck ?

Sorry Bree isnt feeling well...
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Breeze have you ever thought of trying a veggie formula and maybe adding some stuff? or what about something like a venison or duck ?

Sorry Bree isnt feeling well...

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I recently put Lucy back on all raw (was kibble in morning, raw at night) based on our homeopath vet's advice but a few years back when I switched them to a higher protein low carb kibble she lost weight . There was basically no calorie difference between the two kibbles but she obviously was able to process the higher protein kibble more effectively.

I would suggest switching proteins as well as going to a higher protein. Her reactions could easily be from allergies and this might cause her to be hyper sensitive to the same proteins even if it is a grain allergy. This means trying Orijen Fish or Acana Pacifica (made by Orijen). They are both great formulas but you might consider buying the Pacifica to begin as it is 33% protein and if you supplement with regular meat already that might be a better choice. It is probably harder to find though then Orijen (it is here anyway).
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a few years back when I switched them to a higher protein low carb kibble she lost weight . There was basically no calorie difference between the two kibbles but she obviously was able to process the higher protein kibble more effectively.
Exactly. That's why an overweight dog should get higher protein and low carbs. Yet most lower calorie dog food is exactly the opposite. And when a dog processes their food efficiently, you don't have near the intestinal problems. Humans can derive energy from carbs, dogs get their energy from fat and protein.
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Brandi is still not regular, at a loss Spoke with her vet Thursday and again yesterday. If by tomorrow nothing changes he wants to refer her to a specialist for intestinal issues

I've stopped the rice since she's been on/off for over a month (too much carb) = weak, vet agreed

I'll finish up her meds & florifora and I'm cooking for her. I'll be putting on the Senior Orijen but must wait for now. I've prepared for the week fish, chicken, beef, potatoes, carrots and broccoli adding pumpkin. Vet suggested to feed her very small amounts every two hours

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This is just my opinion GG and not every dog is the same so what work for Bree might not work for Brandi.

Bree seems to be getting better but we are not out of the woods yet. There is no more blood so I can safely say, that she is out of crisis.

She is still on about 1/2 cup on hamburger, a little moist food (EVO beef) and about 1 cup of kibble ( also EVO red meat), what takes regular dogs to transition back to the kibble takes Bree much much longer.

Since she was eating the medium meat about 30% fat and protien we thought about getting a kibble that would be like giving raw.
( Bree won't eat raw, and I don't like cooking)
instead of taking 9 days to transitions I'm letting her poop tell me. which might take longer.. so far not bad.
She gets no other treats except for her breakfast and supper. ( even after I brush her) and fresh water. they told me to try bottled water but I wanted to try one thing at a time.

Bree is also taking L-Glutamine = to help repair her intestines
and digestive enzymes ( holistic solutions pinky label)to help with digestion.= we might switch her to a better digestive enzymes, when she gets back to normal.

I sure hope you can find out whats wrong with your girl.

if it was me I would probably go back to hamburger and rice or chicken and rice for three days ( we had to go back to the beginning) and diegestive enzymes, then try adding a handful of kibble which ever one you diside on and stay with that for three day and see how that goes. only one thing at a time. ( the heat doesn't help):sad:

like I metioned this is only my opinion, and don't forget Bree has not been well since the end of April

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golden girls i know they all say use rice but one of my sisters dog who does have problems at times cannot eat rice and the only carbs that are ok are baked potatoe or plain pasta.
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golden girls i know they all say use rice but one of my sisters dog who does have problems at times cannot eat rice and the only carbs that are ok are baked potatoe or plain pasta.
Vets do recommend using rice but like anything it might not help some but has in the past

I'm happy to hear Bree is out of crisis. Brandi too had blood in her stools at the beginning not now either

Thanks for your opinion, I would of kept her on the rice but it hasn't helped. Her 1st vet visit was May 28 - not as long as Bree but still a month I'm very worried too. I'll give it a few days of home cooking (approx 80% is protein) & giving little portions instead of 2 meals it's back to picker'up'able but not firm enough to add kibble just yet. That'll be the next step if she could get there. Vet suggested to soak the kibble in hot water for ten minutes gradually adding more Maybe that would help Bree digest better?

I've reduced dramatically her outings to short walks only - ya the heat is unbearable esp when your sick, thank dawg for A/C

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don't you wish they could tell us ( speaking in our language) what wrong??

how is Brandi this morning??




Last night bree ate everything, and this morning leaving about 1/4 cup, but she did have a busy day yesterday.
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I'll give it a few days of home cooking (approx 80% is protein) & giving little portions instead of 2 meals it's back to picker'up'able but not firm enough to add kibble just yet. That'll be the next step if she could get there. Vet suggested to soak the kibble in hot water for ten minutes gradually adding more Maybe that would help Bree digest better?

I've reduced dramatically her outings to short walks only - ya the heat is unbearable esp when your sick, thank dawg for A/C

I hope we both can find out what's up with our girls
the vet suggested the water also, but I read where some kibble should not be soaked

if her poop is pick able then I probably would put a handful of the kibble in very small amounts. and give her a couple of meals a day this is what we did also
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the vet suggested the water also, but I read where some kibble should not be soaked
Makes sense if their having digestive issues but I wondered if it would remove the nutrients?
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Makes sense if their having digestive issues but I wondered if it would remove the nutrients?

I don't know, but we disided not to try it..

what food did you diside on??
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I don't know, but we disided not to try it..

what food did you diside on??
I probably won't soak the kibble either. I'm going to buy a small bag of Senior Orijen and will began to add a little starting tomorrow
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I probably won't soak the kibble either. I'm going to buy a small bag of Senior Orijen and will began to add a little starting tomorrow

sounds good, I couldn't feed Bree Orijen cause of the chicken fat in it. for preservitive sp?
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There was a thread here some time ago in which someone said that you shouldn't soak kibble that has citric acid in it because it increases the risk of bloat but I haven't been able to find any information on that. And of course soaking the kibble allows bacteria to start growing on it if it's left for any length of time.

If Brandi isn't doing well on the rice, then maybe the potato will do better for her. Did your vet ever test her stool for bacteria? Maybe the antibiotic they've got her on isn't effective against whatever bacteria is there (if it is infection related)? Hopefully she'll get past this soon!
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I'm sorry to hear about the problems you are having. A month is a long time to be dealing with runny poops.
While Orijen is an excellent food it is also high in protein and since she hasn't been eating a lot of protein lately introducing it now may just aggravate the problem.
Have you tried the vet diet food? I know it isn't the best but it does do the job. Personally I would try that first and then switch her over very slowly once her problem is solved.
Has the vet tested again for Giardia?
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How is Brandi this morning?? and you??

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Kandy yes her stools were checked by the vet then sent to another laboratory for further testing ... it all came back negative. Since stopping the rice she seems much better, not as round and more energy.

Cooperbelle thanks she hasn't been tested again for Gardia but I will once the meds are done if she's not better. I gave her the vet Hills I/D she exploded and no wonder ... maybe you didn't read the ingredients (Kandy posted it above) I've added a few kibbles of Sr Orijen last night so time will tell

Breeze I'm waiting for Brandi to give me the signal she needs to go

So you've started the Evo Red Meat ... how's Bree doing today? I read the ingredients

So I guess she's allergic to chicken fat? I chosed Orijen 1st and foremost no grains also it's a Canadian product and last they only use free range farms which thrilled me to no end. I'm planning to add maybe a handful to her home cooked soon.
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Kandy yes her stools were checked by the vet then sent to another laboratory for further testing ... it all came back negative. Since stopping the rice she seems much better, not as round and more energy.

Cooperbelle thanks she hasn't been tested again for Gardia but I will once the meds are done if she's not better. I don't want to give her the Hills I/D ... maybe you didn't read the ingredients ... it's above Kandy posted it I've added a few kibbles of Sr Orijen last night so time will tell

Breeze I'm waiting for Brandi to give me the signal she needs to go

So you've started the Evo Red Meat ... how's Bree doing today? I read the ingredients

So I guess she's allergic to chicken fat? I chosed Orijen 1st and foremost no grains also it's a Canadian product and last they only use free range farms which thrilled me to no end. I'm planning to add maybe a handful to her home cooked soon.
waiting can suck, but I will keep my fingers crossed.

I'm not sure but it seems like it is, everytime she has had kibble with chicken fat it was always the same results. orijen fish was the only one that did not have chicken fat, now they are coming out with orijen red meat. ( I made a mistake and told LP that there was chicken fat in it and I reread the ingredents and it doesn't. sorry LP)
so that could be another option for me.

she did not eat very well this morning:sad::sad:
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It's been a week and I did what you were doing Breeze chopped the kibble in the blender and it went well ... for awhile. Right after visiting Cpietra I took her to the park - explosive again :sad:

She had an ultrasound done yesterday at L'Hopitale Veterinaire Rive-Sud and I'm so relieved to say everything inside is normal.

Back to the drawing board. She got shaved all under and both sides, man does she look funny

I'm wondering could all this be stress due to losing Mist?
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so the good news is that there is nothing wrong inside

and the bad news :sad: Brandi is doing no better :sad::sad:


have you tryed the digestive enzymes??
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