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Old June 15th, 2008, 02:20 AM
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Blindness and Seizing

I'm sorry, I'm new and concerned.

I was out at Spruce Meadows today with a few friends when I got a panicked phone call from mum.

My 5 yr old dog was falling over; seizing and banging into things, he could not see. I sent her off to our vet as soon as possible; cut my day short and hurried home. Unfortunately I live almost in the middle of no where, the nearest vet is a minimum of 30 minutes away. So while driving mum called the vets answering service to get him to call back. She explained in detail what was going on with the dog, frothing at the mouth, stiff muscles, unable to maintain balance, definitely unable to see; disoriented and could not pick himself up if he fell over.
The vet asked the regular "What has he eaten; did he get kicked; could he have gotten into some poison; etc" Before proclaiming that unless something changes there was absolutely nothing he could do for the dog. Basically if my dog fell over dead he would help.

I have no idea what Scruffy could have gotten into. He was perfectly fine this morning when I went out to feed the horses before I left for Calgary; even barking at me while the puppy bounced like she had springs for back legs. The dogs do not run loose when we're not home to supervise them at all. We have a dog kennel that they're in while we're out to protect them from whatever they get into while we're gone. In the space of 3 hours Scruff went from happy barking ADHD dog (I swear to god he has it) to complete invalid. Our dog kennel is cleaned and checked a minimum of daily with dirty and wet blankets removed and replaced with dry (spoiled rotten mutts). They have their water bucket replaced with fresh water at least twice a day. There is absolutely nothing in the kennel that can make him that sick and our younger dog is perfectly healthy; we've been watching her as well.

Its been almost twelve hours since the first onset with almost no change. His eyes are dialated almost completely (just about no brown left in them) he's running into walls, chairs, table legs, etc and only seems to be still and calm if he's in my lap or at least touching me in some fashion. He's seized up quite a few times; looking like he's stretching but is stiff as a board for about 15-30 seconds each time. He's resting comfortably at the moment.

He did have a few peices of kibble at about 7pm (4 hours after he was found) and he's been taking a few sips of water through out the day. So he is eating and drinking and my friend seen him pee at about 9pm.

My vet says its poison and its a waiting game now to see if he'll pull through. Any ideas on what else it could be? All of our animals are up to date on their vaccinations. I did not find any ticks on him (or her) and he responds well to sound (taking off like a bat out of you know where towards the sound of the tractor or the trucks).
Any insight will set my mind at ease. (please keep in mind I did contact my vet earlier this evening. The dog hasn't gotten worse or better at all. )
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Old June 15th, 2008, 02:37 AM
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Did your vet actually see Scruffy or just talk over the phone to your mum?

Did they do any reaction testing, blood work?
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Old June 15th, 2008, 08:18 AM
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Honestly, I can't understand why the vet is not insisting on monitoring the dog and providing supportive care while figuring out what is wrong. Blood work for a tox screen at minimum, I would think?
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Old June 15th, 2008, 09:34 AM
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I am sorry Scruffy is so sick! I would insist on the Vet doing all the necessary blood work to see what the problem is.

My Harley was almost 5 when something very, very similar happened to him (last year). He was in ICU for a week and then I had to say goodbye to him, I didn't have an autopsy done, but the Specialist said that more than likely it was a tumour that was causing the seizures.

Please have your Vet do some tests......
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Old June 15th, 2008, 09:53 AM
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The vet actually refused to see us. After talking to us he said it was poisoning (or so it sounded) and that he'd save us the 1000 dollars or more for us to bring him in to have him die in an empty clinic. There are no emergency vets in my area (that i have found).

Scruffy is moving around better this morning isn't staggering as much. We'll be bringing him into the city today and taking him to see a vet. Even if i have to invade the vets home and put Scruff in the middle of the vets bed! he will be seen.If i thought my equine vet could do anything for him I would have had him out here... But the vet does not treat anything but equines and cows.
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Old June 15th, 2008, 10:03 AM
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I hope you are able to find him a different vet. Diagnosing something like that over the phone sounds irresponsible to me. If it were our vet, he'd have a lot of explaining to do before we changed clinics.

We've had similar (though not so severe) reactions to dogs eating mushrooms in the yard. Even with the milder symptoms, typically they're given IV fluids to flush their system and kept overnight at the vet's for observation. Supportive care like that can mean the difference between full recovery and permanent damage.

I hope your dog comes through this okay, Noangel.
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Old June 15th, 2008, 12:42 PM
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Wow, I know the 'practical' view is always useful, but your vet takes the prize. Plus he hadn't even examined the dog. I know someone like that, he is an excellent vet but he calls the game a bit too early for me so I'm always braced to hear it
(I listened to him once, long ago, and to this day wish I hadn't :sad
Good luck getting your doggy seen and treated.
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Old June 15th, 2008, 09:27 PM
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How is Scruffy today, Noangel?
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I hope your dog is OK. I would find another vet, any pet who may have been poisoned, should have blood work done to monitor organs, and IV to keep the kidneys flushed.
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Old June 16th, 2008, 11:23 PM
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From the vet we went to, he had a stroke. . His seizing and convulsions stopped yesterday/sometime this morning but he's still lost most of his vision and has little motor control of his back end.

Today he's much better, is actually able to stand and find his way around good enough but he gets exhausted really quick. He is finding his kibble really hard to eat so to get some nutrition into him we bought some wet food (not the best nutrition wise but I've mixed it with his kibble and have him isolated from Angel. He even took a round out of her tonight

I know its going to be a long road to recovery and we're still unsure if he's going to regain full use of his vision. The vet t the moment is speculating that a kick from one of our horses knocked something loose (he was a horse chaser) and it was the cause of the stroke. His blood panels came back normally except for a little higher then normal protein levels.
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Old June 17th, 2008, 08:49 AM
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At least Scruffy's showing some signs of improvement. That's a good sign!

When he's back to running around, do you have a way to keep him away from the horses?

Best wishes for his complete recovery
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Old June 17th, 2008, 09:22 AM
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We were working on the "this side of the fence you STAY!" and will continue to do so. We're going to get my dad to put up a trolley wire for him. So he has space to run around but he's still contained to a safe place. We're scared he'll try to get back out to his old habits of going visiting and end up gettig hit by something he's not going to see coming
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