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i dont know, i guess im taking this personally because we are not the elite yet my family breeds our family dogs and every time i see someone calling all non elite breeders a BYB (insert image of scoundrel with a greasy beard, beady eyes and hundreds of puppies in 2'X2' cages) i feel guilty of somethign i use to feel proud of. it feels liek there is a very very black and white view on breeding dogs. these people who make up breeds for profit, crank out puppies until the mother is falling apart.... they are evil without question but i dont feel my family is. -ashley |
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Please define designer breed
Please define designer breed. Frankly, I have not done any research on designer breed. I just got a Leonberger this year, I guess it is consider as a designer breed. I got her from a reputable breeder. In fact, I do not consider anything from the puppy mills or pet stores as designer breed. These pets are just designer breed look alike. I think you need to do some research on designer breed too. I compare designer breed to designer clothes just because they are what I love to have. Perhaps, there is a little bit of trying to make a statement. What's wrong with it. I don't feel guilty about doing this. I guess every once in a while, people would love to make some personal statement. Just like you mention about you work with the disable people and seems to know a lot in breeding. In fact, breeding of designer dogs or cats is a completely different issue. What you had mention in your paragaph is a bit off topic. Sorry if I offend anyone for saying this. I just like to express myself.
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But you don't know the history of the dogs. I understand that you aren't cranking out Fluffy's every two days and all but at the same time you don't know what kind of genes are being passed on to the puppies. I mean perhaps the line of dogs that you are currently breeding happen to have some recessive gene that, oh I dunno, makes their teeth turn purple (yeah so I'm making it up, sue me ). So you breed and breed and breed and all of a sudden you end up with Fluffy the 457th who has purple teeth! Now imagine that purple teeth is instead a horrible genetic disease of some sort. Not only does Fluffy the 457th have it, but all the dogs BEFORE Fluffy also have the chance of passing it on. It would be my understanding that if you (not trying to single your family out at this point) really did want to breed dogs for a living you would learn from one of the "elite." I can't see them being overtly protective about "well known" tricks of the trade and they aren't going to live forever. That you would care, not only about the dog's/puppies' welfare, but the genetics and potential for passing something on to other dogs. Maybe even something that is now "close to extinction" due to careful breeding (no more dogs with purple teeth). Unfortunately, many people only see the one type of breeder. The back yard breeders who do have Fluffy's every two days. The type who keep their animals in small cages and just don't give a rat's *** about the dogs. Many people on this board are from rescues or work closely with them. They tend to be the ones who see the bulk of BYB and the "refuse" that come from them. For me, dogs go woof (oh all right they got tongues too bah!). I don't do breeding. Its not really my thing and I haven't read through the entire thread either (btw what the heck is a Morkie? Mork and Mindy's child? yeesh). I'm just trying to use common sense along with what I do know/have heard. Megan P.S. m_feng: psst...designer breed...lab with a perm...that's all I have to say! (ok if you're looking a serious answer you won't find it with me...sorry )
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i think with my family its a case of 'take the good with the bad'. we dont sell her pups, we keep them in our family, we have a home for all of them and if we dont, gramps keeps them. they are all stupidly pampered... you can tell that gramps and my aunts and uncles dont have kids in the house anymore. *chuckles* so far there has been considerable interest in my generation on who will get Jillian #6 (or which ever # he is on now) and perhaps generic testing will come into play then. i DID bring it up with gramps a few months ago, he said to me "dogs got along just fine before genetic testing, they will get along just fine without it now." *sigh* he also doesnt believe that a fish tank needs fresh water once every 2 to 3 weeks.
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Sorry a little off topic why would you want to breed a standard poodle with any thing? If you have allergies, the poodle is fine and if you want a high energy retrieving type dog, poodles are fine and they can be trianed to be just about anything. they have been used as sheep dogs guard dogs
retrieviers i have even been told they have been used as pointers and the pic of the labrapoodle is in my opoinion butt ugly My friend had a standard and i swear it was the smartest dog i have ever known I have known people who were dumber. than franco |
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2 breeds mix together = MUTT !!! Because that's what people who breed 2 dogs from different breeds gets. They only call it designer breed so people like you spend $$$$$ for a mutt So you're telling me there's not mutts in shelters ? I think you need a reality check.
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I think you need to do a bit more research about YOUR breed!! Leonbergers are so very far from a designer breed. The breed originated well over 100 years ago in Germany to guard and herd flocks of sheep. You can find out more information about them here: http://www.leonbergerclubofamerica.com/ There is no such thing as a designer breed look alike. All of your little - oodle mixes are designer breeds and, unlike the Leonberger, they are bred strictly to make big money.
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here is what Wiki says abotu it-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_dog (anyone see the Cockachon?! it was tea coming out my nose this time!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed and last but not least- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_mill -ashley |
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http://rarebreed.com/breedlist.html which are a group of dog breeds that are not considered purebred for whatever reason. another Wiki- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ed_Association -ashley |
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poo, i couldnt make all of this one post??
it appears that goldendoodles?? or was it labrdoodles? were bred to be seeing eye dogs for blind people with allergies. noble aspiration in my opinion. for whatever reason there are now hundreds of -oodles and -poos that serve no aparent purpose other than for people to make money. -ashley |
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Rare breeds are just that. Rare. With a very limited gene pool. Leonbergers are eligible to be registered as a rare breed with AKC and can be shown in the Rare Breed group. Usually, this means that the breed IS an established breed but that it doesn't have the stud book to be included in "regular" groups. With time, I am sure that the Leonberger will find it's way into the Working Group with AKC.
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i see i see!! i wasnt entirely sure but my impression was that rare breeds and aspiring purebreds were kind of lumped together.
i think i did pretty good for cramming between making pizza and calming a pooch afraid of the thunder and a fussy teething baby and a questioning 8yo. im still learning! -ashley |
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ok but they are still ugly i mean a labs and poodles are wonderfully magnifcent breeds. a poodle is a retriever correct? what group does a Std bred poodle go into in show comp?
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BTW - the reason for the ridiculous haircuts that they sport in the showring - cuts used to protect the joints and internal organs when retrieving in cold water.
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I'm sorry...it was just the first thing that popped into my head....
Now that I've looked it up its ok. I knew that I had heard it before but couldn't remember what the M in morkie stood for... Though the goldendoodle/labradoodle for the blind is rather interesting. Neat idea . Megan
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The problem is that they don't breed true. Even within a litter, you can't guarantee that all of the pups will have what you are looking for as far as coat and temperment and it gets even worse when you breed labradoodle to labradoodle.
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That does rather suck its too bad.... Megan
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Thanks. I learn a lot.
Hi all,
I learn a lot from this site. In fact, I don't really care about designer breed that much. We love the 3-in-1 componet of our Leo. and had done some research on this breed. Anyway, I just don't like people to have pets on impulse. You have to make a commitment with your pets. Don't support the so called "designer breed" from pet stores & puppy mills. I have an agony to adopt a 4 yrs. old dog without knowing it had a severe kidney problem. It was put down for good. This dog was originally from pet store. This is my first time to put down my own pet and I only got this dog for 6 months. All my pets died at home because of old age and were still smiling in their last breath! QUOTE=LavenderRott;456824]So long as you are willing to learn - you are doing a GREAT job!![/QUOTE] |
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I hate the term "backyard breeder" because everyone gets upset and worries that they are being offended. I know now that to us on here, a backyard breeder is one who breeds indiscriminatly (without regard to standards, health, etc. of dog), however, there are many small breeders out there who literally breed dogs in their backyards and who we are technically lumping into this category. I feel that that's totally unfair and that we may be turning some new people off such breeders. In my opinion, only the top animals of every breed and type should reproduce. I am *this* close to being all for a nationwide licensing system for dog/cat/horse/etc. breeders because of the poor animals that I've seen and heard of. It makes me sick just thinking of them. |
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was this my thread you were talking about a long time ago?
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