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Old March 20th, 2006, 09:58 AM
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Good dog gone bad. Why???

We got Valentine little over a month ago, at 8 weeks old. And i was braggin on how good she was with potty training, well for the past two days, up all of a sudden she starts peeing in the house. I dont understand why. She was doing soooo good about going outside, and now all of a sudden shes peeing in the house. We limit her on her water intake, she is taken out every hour sometimes before the hour. The thing is, we will take her out to do her business and she will and like 10 mins after we bring her in, she squats and pees in the floor, and we had just taken her out. I dont understand why she is all of a sudden doing this. We still cannot break her from peeing in her crate. She is getting worse and worse bout this. We take her out right before bed. Huby goes to bed round 1:30 or so and thats the last time shes let out for the night, well unless she whines at night wanting out. but when hubby goes to let her out, her box is like a huge lake full of pee. Her last meal to eat or drink is 6. She dont get nothing after that. Why is she still peeing in her box. The only time shes in her box is at night time, or if we are unable to watch her. I dont understand why she is doing this all of a sudden. What is going on. Will she ever stop peeing in her box. Me and hubby wanted to eventually not have to use a crate, but the way things are going i dunno. How do we break her from peeing in her crate, and why is she all of a sudden peeing in the house.Let me remind you again, we limit her water intake, and we take her out every hour sometimes before the hour and she comes straight in from outside and squats. Why????
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Old March 20th, 2006, 10:17 AM
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Her last meal to eat or drink is 6. She dont get nothing after that.
I'm sure others will post about your housebreaking issues, but I just wanted to comment on the above..... that's just wrong. do not deny your puppy water! limiting water is not the same as denying it. Simply don't let her drink an entire bowlfull right before bed. denying her water from 6pm on, is just mean.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 10:21 AM
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Have her checked for a uti, limiting water for that long will definitely promote crystals in the urine.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 10:54 AM
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I would check for a UTI as well; also remember that your puppy is not old enough to expect it to be completely housetrained yet.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 11:55 AM
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peeing in bed

Just like Phoenix has said, your puppy is very young and her ability to hold it is not developed so if the urge comes she must obey! Time will change that. Continue house training her accidents will become fewer as she ages.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:05 PM
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I first got Toby at 8 weeks and for the first little while I was waking up each hour of the night, as soon as I'd hear him moving around the crate, to take him out. I didn't want him to get in the habit of peeing in the crate and/or house and I had been told that his bladder wouldn't be developed enough to hold it in for a while.

It worked - but it meant a few weeks of sleepless nights for me!

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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:16 PM
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Oh im not expecting her to be 100 % housetrained this young. Its just she hadnt had not one accident until two days ago. I was just wondering why the sudden change. she was doing soooo good. Although the crate was a different story. shes been peeing in her box from day one since we got her. I dont know what else to do to break her from peeing in her box. I had someone tell me to let her start sleeping with me and not use the box. But then again i was told not to let her sleep with us. Would she pee in our bed if i let her start sleeping with us. Prolly huh??? I can handle the accidents in the house, its just if i dont get her broke from peeing in her crate now, its never gonna stop.

And as for the water issue. Thats what i was told to do. Take her water away after a certain time in the evening. I didnt know that was wrong. Its just some advice i was given.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:30 PM
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And as for the water issue. Thats what i was told to do. Take her water away after a certain time in the evening. I didnt know that was wrong. Its just some advice i was given.
you don't let her drink after 6pm, yet her last trip outside is 1:30......common sense should tell you this isn't right and it's bad advice. definately get her checked out by a vet to rule out a medical reason for the accidents.

ETA: limiting water just before bedtime is understandable, not totally denying water for 6+ hrs before bed.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:46 PM
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I agree about the vet if she is peeing abnormally frequently then a vet visit is always the best advice. If she is just peeing in her crate at night I have 5 dogs that all grew out of crate messing.
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Old March 20th, 2006, 12:50 PM
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I was just wondering how much longer she is gonna keep peeing in her crate??? She is almost 4 months old. She is very rarely in her crate, but when she is she pees it full
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Old March 20th, 2006, 01:34 PM
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I was just wondering how much longer she is gonna keep peeing in her crate??? She is almost 4 months old. She is very rarely in her crate, but when she is she pees it full
If she has medical problems like a UTI or crystals the problem will continue, , start with the vet visit
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Old March 20th, 2006, 07:47 PM
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She is very rarely in her crate, but when she is she pees it full
Read what I have quoted from you and there's your answer!

The only place dogs do not like to pee or poop is where they eat and sleep. If your dog is rarely at the place where she sleeps and eats, then she doesn't consider it hers. She needs to spend a lot of time in there despite all the nagging and growling you might hear. She needs to understand that the crate is where she's supposed to be unless told otherwise.

I have problems making my Lucy understand this too. She's 12 weeks old and sometimes runs away from me thinking that I'm going to put her in her crate, but I've been told that this behavior will vanish as time goes by.

Your dog clearly does not understand the meaning behind her crate. I assume that's due to the numerous distractions around her and the attention she gets as a result of being a newcomer!

Make her spend a lot of time in there. If she pees, do not clean it. Make her dislike the odor and the wet feeling. She'll grow out of it.

The sudden change in her peeing habbit is definitely not normal and she must be taken to a vet.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 09:02 AM
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Make her spend a lot of time in there. If she pees, do not clean it. Make her dislike the odor and the wet feeling. She'll grow out of it.
I disagree STRONGLY with that..... not only SHOULD you clean it, but clean it WELL, with an enzyme cleaner such as Natures Miracle to get rid of the scent. Accidents are not a dog's fault, always the owner's fault, or in some cases, the symptom of a medical problem.

Please don't punish your dog by making her stay in a soiled area - it's cruel, and certainly will not make her like her crate more.
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Old March 21st, 2006, 11:41 AM
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Make her spend a lot of time in there. If she pees, do not clean it. Make her dislike the odor and the wet feeling. She'll grow out of it.
This is awful advise and is a form of abuse IMO.

Thank-you jessi76, I agree with your post entirely.

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I disagree STRONGLY with that..... not only SHOULD you clean it, but clean it WELL, with an enzyme cleaner such as Natures Miracle to get rid of the scent. Accidents are not a dog's fault, always the owner's fault, or in some cases, the symptom of a medical problem.

Please don't punish your dog by making her stay in a soiled area - it's cruel, and certainly will not make her like her crate more.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:12 AM
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You did not understand my message.

I said do not clean it as in don't clean it right away. She must come to know that peeing in her crate is not a good thing to do because it makes her uncomfortable. How should this happen if you clean the mess right away and take her out of there? She'll just get used to peeing in her crate and having it removed right away.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:41 AM
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Actually, I think she'd get used to it anyway. That's why puppymill dogs urinate and defecate in their living area even after they are removed from the mill situation. A dog has to be shown the opposite. Right now, the dog thinks it's ok to pee where she sleeps. Leaving her in it won't change that- it will probably just burn her skin.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 06:52 AM
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It will definitely start to burn her skin if she's left sitting in urine.. even for a short time..

She's just slow at learning the ropes.. I find ignoring the accidents and praising the successes works far faster than any other approach.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 09:00 AM
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You did not understand my message.

I said do not clean it as in don't clean it right away. She must come to know that peeing in her crate is not a good thing to do because it makes her uncomfortable. How should this happen if you clean the mess right away and take her out of there? She'll just get used to peeing in her crate and having it removed right away.
I disagree with this. IMO all this teaches the dog is that they can't depend on their humas to help them/care for them etc. This seems to be training using fear vs. praise and positive re-enfocement.

I wouldn't let a child stay in a bed they had wet so I certainly wouldn't leave a dog much less my puppy in their own mess either.

Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 09:08 AM
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Tucker never peed in his crate even at 2 months old, you dog should get checked by a vet for a UTI, there seems to be an underlying reason that your dog is doing this. I would never leave a dog in a crate not cleaned either.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 10:33 AM
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It seems to me that you have received a lot of great advice about bringing your pup to a vet to be checked for UTI or anything else.

I imagine you will feel better knowing if the issue is physical or not - Keep us posted!
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 12:09 PM
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Good dog gone bad

I have read all the advice and you have received some great information. I would definitely not leave her in a crate that is dirty with urine or feces. That is cruel and she will not understand why. She will become accustomed to being in a dirty crate and you will never be able to break her of the habit. I adopted what I believe to be a puppy mill dog. She had no problem peeing in her crate and then stepping in it. Even now 4 years later she will poop and walk in it without a problem if she is outside. While my other dogs will walk over it she will not.
The first thing you should do is have her urine tested. If she has been clean and now all of a sudden is not there may be an infection. If there is no infection you may want to have it tested again in a few days just to be certain.
What size crate do you have her in? If it is large enough for her to dirty at one end and then sleep in the other that will not work. The crate area should only be large enough for her to sleep in for now until you have the training under control. You can block off part of the crate with a board if necessary. Do not limit water intake. Dogs, especially small ones can dehydrate quickly.
A little trick I have used and works well is to keep a piece of paper towel that you used to clean up the urine. Bring it with you outside and put it down for her to smell. She will probably go on it and then her scent will be left there for future bathroom breaks. Make sure you praise her as if she was the best thing since sliced bread.
Another really important thing to do is to completely clean the crate and any area where she has peed in the house. You will have to use a products like Natures Miracle or plain undiluted vinegar. Regular soaps like lysol etc... are not sufficient to cover the smell. If she has peed on a carpet make sure to soak the entire area where she peed with an equivalent amount of vinegar to cover the odor. You may not smell it but she does.
Lastly it is important to remember that dogs will do anything to please their master. If she is peeing in the house she is not understanding what you want of her. Maybe she realized she gets attention when she pees in the house. It doesn't matter that it is bad attention, it is attention. This is why it is so important to praise like a mad woman when she does do it where you want her to go so she understands.

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