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Old October 16th, 2013, 01:57 PM
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Doing a ton better BUT...

After going back, and forth with fighting skin issues, sores, bald spots, chewing, and scratching I've 100% narrowed it down to two causes. Let me explain.. I went through all the basics of allergy tests, testing for parasites, changing foods, shampoos, you name it! Finally got a cream for burns, rashes, yeast infections, and fungus through the local hospital. Lyderm 0.05% Clotrimaderm 1:1 Compound, and it has worked amazingly well for Kyra! What took months to accomplish has only now taken weeks. Now for the problem.. Prescription is running out with no chance for a refill. I've tried to take her off it and the sores, and scratching returns in a matter of days. Problem number two.. Vet is trying to charge me 200$ for the visit, and who knows what else for the yeast / anti fungus meds. I swear these vets are like doctors now, and are only interested in your money for their prescriptions as once you no longer need them your kicked to the curb. So what can I do now? Help from the vet is out of the question, and I will not discuss that option any further. Need antifungal / yeast meds I can get over the counter. Please help!!
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Old October 16th, 2013, 02:21 PM
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Have you washed all your dog bedding and cleaned all of your dog favorite resting places in the house? He could be contaminating himself all over again.
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Old October 16th, 2013, 04:45 PM
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Have you washed all your dog bedding and cleaned all of your dog favorite resting places in the house? He could be contaminating himself all over again.
Yes. Weekly.
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Old October 17th, 2013, 11:00 AM
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Old October 17th, 2013, 09:29 PM
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Or try a homemade diet?
I tried that and she lasted about 3 days then decided she'd rather starve... nasty squirts too! EEK! Nope, I'm sticking to finding some over the counter antifungal antiyeast cream or shampoo or something... Be so much easier if I had a good vet but only have one in town, and that unfortunately isn't going to happen! Help is appreciated guys! Need asap!
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Old October 18th, 2013, 09:52 AM
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Have you tested for scabies on your dog ? There is series of 3 shots the dog get once a week for 3 weeks . It's give under the dog skin .
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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:52 AM
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Have you tested for scabies on your dog ? There is series of 3 shots the dog get once a week for 3 weeks . It's give under the dog skin .
We did do scrapings for demodex so perhaps. Either way though, vet will no longer help me!
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Old October 18th, 2013, 03:12 PM
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What ?? How come the vet will not help you anymore? Can you find another vet?
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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:22 PM
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What ?? How come the vet will not help you anymore? Can you find another vet?
Well, long story short, I decided that the vet was not doing much in helping my dog, and took matters into my own hands. It was definately the right choice! Now the vet will only treat my dog if I pay for a bunch of useless expensive tests that will tell the same as what I've already told. I dont wanna get into the details but it seems this vet only cares about money! Already spent thousands for nothing over the span of 3 years when in my hands cost barely anything, and have had much success!
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Old October 18th, 2013, 11:38 PM
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She's much much better! But the cream is running out!

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Old October 19th, 2013, 10:38 AM
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Have tried getting another vet to buy more cream? What kind laundry detergent are you using ? Maybe your dog is getting a rash from that, I know people can get a rash from laundry detergent so it a dog could too.
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Old October 19th, 2013, 12:05 PM
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Have tried getting another vet to buy more cream? What kind laundry detergent are you using ? Maybe your dog is getting a rash from that, I know people can get a rash from laundry detergent so it a dog could too.
No other vet at all. She only gets a rash/sores from not using the cream. The cream is not from a vet.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 01:37 AM
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You might want to link your old thread so folks can see what you have been through...

Lyderm is permethrin - wonder if you could switch to a flea product, or the like, that contains that product?
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Old October 20th, 2013, 03:19 AM
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You might want to link your old thread so folks can see what you have been through...

Lyderm is permethrin - wonder if you could switch to a flea product, or the like, that contains that product?
Hmm surely it cant be fleas right? It would have shown up in the scrappings no? I tried to find the old thread but couldnt. Any suggestions on a quality flea product?
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Old October 20th, 2013, 03:39 AM
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Here's LovNKyra's original thread: Last option with Ivermectin!

Glad to hear you've had success treating Kyra
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Old October 20th, 2013, 02:53 PM
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Here's LovNKyra's original thread: Last option with Ivermectin!

Glad to hear you've had success treating Kyra
Much appreciated! Would you by any chance be able rename it to Kyra's skin problems? Thanks.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 07:16 PM
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I'll add that to the original title. It's good to keep the original in case someone else comes searching for information on Invermectin then your experience with it may helps others
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Old October 20th, 2013, 07:58 PM
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Great you found the old thread!

Permethrin, I guess I wasn't thinking fleas, but there may be other tiny parasites, like mites (storage mites in kibble, dust mites, scabies, etc). Don't know if there are other critters that might be susceptible.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=45564

I guess the question is how much of the anti-fungal is helping, and how much of the anti-parasite is helping? Definitely not something you know right now, unless you have tried an anti-fungal alone with no success.

I do not know if the current flea and tick meds with permethrin in them would be as effective as the creme. There may some natural products that contain similar ingredients.

Ivermectin *i think* usually helps scabies, so I'm a bit confused about why this works and the ivermectin didn't, unless there is a strong fungal component, or a bug that is resistent.
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Old October 20th, 2013, 08:50 PM
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scabies are under the skin and my vet said the pet is give 3 shots , one per week . And a flea bath or cream will not kill scabies on a dog . I knew someone that got scabies and they gave their dog a flea bath , which was a waste of time and money. The shots for scabies are $10 a shot at my vet , I asked about the scabies shots because a coyote was coming right into yard and a lot of coyotes had to be killed one year because they had scabies .
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Old October 20th, 2013, 10:46 PM
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I'll add that to the original title. It's good to keep the original in case someone else comes searching for information on Invermectin then your experience with it may helps others
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Great you found the old thread!

Permethrin, I guess I wasn't thinking fleas, but there may be other tiny parasites, like mites (storage mites in kibble, dust mites, scabies, etc). Don't know if there are other critters that might be susceptible.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=45564

I guess the question is how much of the anti-fungal is helping, and how much of the anti-parasite is helping? Definitely not something you know right now, unless you have tried an anti-fungal alone with no success.

I do not know if the current flea and tick meds with permethrin in them would be as effective as the creme. There may some natural products that contain similar ingredients.

Ivermectin *i think* usually helps scabies, so I'm a bit confused about why this works and the ivermectin didn't, unless there is a strong fungal component, or a bug that is resistent.
Im using celcin blu shampoo which is an antifungal and it basically does nothing. Im almost positive its a yeast issue as i switched her to an all veggy diet and became 99% free of everything. However she was also reallygetting skinny so i stopped that. As for how much cream do i use.. Maybe 3 quarter size drops spread all over everywhere. Id put money on it that its a yeast infection... Allthouth read below.
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scabies are under the skin and my vet said the pet is give 3 shots , one per week . And a flea bath or cream will not kill scabies on a dog . I knew someone that got scabies and they gave their dog a flea bath , which was a waste of time and money. The shots for scabies are $10 a shot at my vet , I asked about the scabies shots because a coyote was coming right into yard and a lot of coyotes had to be killed one year because they had scabies .
I guess I need to do some research on symptoms.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 10:16 AM
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Well it isn't scabies. I have two other dogs who she is always in contact with, and they have never had any problems. Plus scabies are a mange, and we did scrappings for that. It has to be a yeast infection as I've treated her with anti fungal meds, and that did absolutely nothing. Treating her with anti yeast cream, and a veggy diet works like a charm. I had do stop the diet as she was practically starving. Like I said, I need a cream or something over the counter as the vet does not wish to help. Thanks.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 10:38 AM
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I wonder if it's seasonal, because it was good for a bit? Have you thought of Atopica? It didn't agree with Marty, but it apparently works. My feelings are treating with drugs if you absolutely have to, I would rather have some quality of life for a shorter time. Every time you smell an odor in the ears or on the skin, it's an infection and you have to treat with an antibiotic. I had this issue with a Golden for 12 years, poor guy. My Boston is on one low dose of Vanectyl P once a day and her coat is perfect, she still enjoys back scratches but it's minimal. I spent over $2000 bucks on a dermatologist. I believe it's poor breeding, I believe she is from a puppy mill.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 11:33 AM
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I wonder if it's seasonal, because it was good for a bit? Have you thought of Atopica? It didn't agree with Marty, but it apparently works. My feelings are treating with drugs if you absolutely have to, I would rather have some quality of life for a shorter time. Every time you smell an odor in the ears or on the skin, it's an infection and you have to treat with an antibiotic. I had this issue with a Golden for 12 years, poor guy. My Boston is on one low dose of Vanectyl P once a day and her coat is perfect, she still enjoys back scratches but it's minimal. I spent over $2000 bucks on a dermatologist. I believe it's poor breeding, I believe she is from a puppy mill.
Well I did snag her up from a bad household before reporting the people. Mother of the pups was extremely malnourished, and there was trash everywhere. Wish I could have saved them all myself but there was no way. I did what I thought best and reported them.

It's not seasonal as its been an all year round problem for years.

Atopica is way too expensive, and I feel allergies are not the issue after wasting 1000's on meds, and testing with poor results.

The sour oder is now completely gone, and has been gone for months now so I must be doing something right.

I have been testing how long it takes for her to start getting sores, or scratching without the cream, and without baths. I got to 4 days before she started scratching, and pimples on her belly appeared. Maybe I am using it too often applying it daily. I'm now doing cream every 4 days after a bath with celcin blue for 10 minutes. Seems to be working the same so far and will save me on cream. Wish me luck.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 12:31 PM
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I sent you a pm, don't know if you got it. At least I think I sent it!

If it's infection, atopica will suppress the immune system, not good...

I don't recall, have you tried cocnut oil externally?

Neem oil, external and/or internal? If it's mites, oils might smother, even maybe imple liquid vit E?

Some OTC anti-fungals might help? I've never tried the athletes foot one. But the women's yeast one worked really well for my GSD' chronic ear problems. I supect those cremems are for different types of yeasts.

I have,t read all the replies, I might have missed something...
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Oops, just reas above, forget about the OTC anti-fungals.
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 12:37 PM
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The more I think about neem, the more I think it might be worth trying if you haven't tried it - it's used a lot for mange cases. Evem though this isn't standard mange, an anti-parasite creme is working, and there must be a reason for that...
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Old October 22nd, 2013, 07:38 PM
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I used the coconut oil but as I recall she had a bumpy reaction. Never tried neem oil though. Didnt get your pm.

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