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Old July 27th, 2013, 05:05 PM
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Pale Gums

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I am hoping someone can help me. I did just come from the vet and have actually been there several times in the past two weeks.

My dog keeps getting very pale almost white gums. He also gets freezing nose, tongue and paws. Then in an hour or so generally he goes back to his normal pink color. His body temp goes back to normal. I have looked up his symptoms and it almost seems like shock. Except, his body temp is normal. He is eating and drinking normally. He urinates and poops normally. No vomiting. He is sleeping a bit more than usual but he is still active and alert. Though sometimes he does wake up growling, when he does his gums are usually white.

I have taken him to two different vets when his gums have been pale. The problem is by the time I get him to the vet his gums are always back to normal so I am not sure they are taking it seriously. I even took pictures the last time but the vet barely glanced at them. They did run blood work which they said was completely normal. They said he seems fine and send me home. Am I over reacting. Does anyone have any idea what could be going on?

He is 13lbs and 2 years of age. He is up to date on all of his immunizations. He did get neutered by laser 3 weeks ago but the vet said the wound looks great and she does not think it is the source of the problem.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 06:27 PM
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http://www.justanswer.com/dog-health...pale-gums.html



This web site said being anemia could cause a dog to get pale gums . What are you feeding your dog?
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Old July 27th, 2013, 06:32 PM
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Have you taken his temp at home when he's having an episode, Angelyc? Pale gums often indicate anemia. It almost sounds like his circulation is being impaired temporarily. Very scary.

I'm just paranoid enough that if it were my dog, I'd ask for a referal to a Veterinary Teaching Hospital to have him checked out by a specialist. It's pricey, but the few times we've had to drive over to the Cities to the VTH we got the answers we needed...

Hope you get some of those answers soon!
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Old July 27th, 2013, 07:05 PM
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Have you taken his temp at home when he's having an episode, Angelyc? Pale gums often indicate anemia. It almost sounds like his circulation is being impaired temporarily. Very scary.

I'm just paranoid enough that if it were my dog, I'd ask for a referal to a Veterinary Teaching Hospital to have him checked out by a specialist. It's pricey, but the few times we've had to drive over to the Cities to the VTH we got the answers we needed...

Hope you get some of those answers soon!
Do you know what kind of dog the OP has ?
http://www.animalurgentcare.com/cont...?n=information


this link when you need to bring a pet to the vet right away.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 02:18 AM
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The vet said the blood tests ruled out anemia. I have not tried taking his temp yet I will during his next episode. He is a jack Russell terrier.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 09:40 AM
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I took his temp when his gums were pale and it was 99.8
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Old July 28th, 2013, 10:23 AM
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I took his temp when his gums were pale and it was 99.8
http://www.akc.org/public_education/healthy_dog.cfm



Does your seem to hard a hard breathing when his gums get pale? I am wondering if he has some kind of blockage or something stuck in his throat.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 11:31 AM
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So his gums were nearly white this morning so I took him to a vet teaching hospital thanks to the poster who suggested this. . They said intermittent pale gums are a sign of heart failure. Waiting for test results now.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 11:46 AM
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Wow, scary stuff. Thank goodness you've gotten him to a place that can truly diagnose him. hoping things work out okay.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 02:03 PM
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So his gums were nearly white this morning so I took him to a vet teaching hospital thanks to the poster who suggested this. . They said intermittent pale gums are a sign of heart failure. Waiting for test results now.
This does not give me much faith in vets when they tell a person their dog is fine when the poor dog could have a bad heart. I hope your dog will be OK .
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Old July 28th, 2013, 05:50 PM
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Thanks for all the kind thoughts. The vet did an EKG and it was in fact his heart. They are keeping overnight so they can monitor him. They are trying to pinpoint the cause and figure out treatment options.

So glad I trusted my instincts instead of the vets who told me my dog was just fine.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 06:26 PM
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He's a lucky pup to have you. A lot of people might not have noticed something as subtle as pale gums and a little bit of lethargy.

We have a dog here that has early stage heart failure. She developed a cough and some lethargy and they diagnosed it when we brought her in for a checkup. She's doing quite well on the meds. Hopefully, that will be the case for your little guy, too!

Keep us posted, pls, on what they find out!
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Old July 28th, 2013, 08:31 PM
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Heart problems are common in little dogs. I hope that this can be managed - so glad you got a diagnosis!
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Old July 28th, 2013, 09:33 PM
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Heart problems are common in little dogs. I hope that this can be managed - so glad you got a diagnosis!
I never heard that before, I always heard that small dog can live longer.


http://www.petmd.com/dog/slideshows/...s#.UfX8TDbn-M8


This is a list of signs to watch for as they could mean a dog has a heart disease.

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Old July 29th, 2013, 04:45 AM
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I never heard that before, I always heard that small can live longer.
In general, yes, maller lives longer. But there are genetic tendencies in some lines, and many smaller dog will get mitral valve disease. The Cavalier folks are usually most knowlegable about this, as it is very common in their breed: http://www.cavalierhealth.org/mitral_valve_disease.htm

There are other heart problems too. At 2 years old, to have this advanced heart disease, is so sad. I hope that we get some encouraging news...
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Old July 29th, 2013, 08:18 AM
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In general, yes, maller lives longer. But there are genetic tendencies in some lines, and many smaller dog will get mitral valve disease. The Cavalier folks are usually most knowlegable about this, as it is very common in their breed: http://www.cavalierhealth.org/mitral_valve_disease.htm

There are other heart problems too. At 2 years old, to have this advanced heart disease, is so sad. I hope that we get some encouraging news...
I was told by a vet small have joints problem , Marty's knees pop out and he has bronchitis so I sure hope he will not get heart trouble too!
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:07 PM
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I think knees are a big problem in malll dogs, luxating patellas???

I might wonder what is causing marty's bronchitis - does he have a thread here?

I think joint products, particularly with hyaluronic acid can help keep the tendons of the heart supple. My 1st girl had mitral valve disease and a broken tendon in her heart - if caught in time, it can be managed, which is the good news.

Worried that we haven't heard back from the OP
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Worried that we haven't heard back from the OP
Maybe today
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I think knees are a big problem in malll dogs, luxating patellas???

I might wonder what is causing marty's bronchitis - does he have a thread here?

I think joint products, particularly with hyaluronic acid can help keep the tendons of the heart supple. My 1st girl had mitral valve disease and a broken tendon in her heart - if caught in time, it can be managed, which is the good news.

Worried that we haven't heard back from the OP
I hope the dog is OK.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 08:17 PM
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I think knees are a big problem in malll dogs, luxating patellas???

I might wonder what is causing marty's bronchitis - does he have a thread here?

I think joint products, particularly with hyaluronic acid can help keep the tendons of the heart supple. My 1st girl had mitral valve disease and a broken tendon in her heart - if caught in time, it can be managed, which is the good news.

Worried that we haven't heard back from the OP
I think posted something about my dog but I do not take attention away from the OP dog.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:00 PM
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Sorry guys meant to post yesterday. After multiple tests they did confirm he has heart failure. They said the gums going from pale to pink was caused by a heart murmur. They are not sure what caused it he could have been born with it or it could have been caused during his neuter if he was not monitored correctly while on anesthesia. They also said he had fluid build up In His lungs possibly caused by the heart problems which they removed. They gave him meds for his heart and said he should be okay for now at least. Sad that it his heart but glad we get more time with him
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I am glad that he is home with you - hope the meds keep him stable for a long time!
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I hope he responds well to the meds, Angelyc. Glad he's home!
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