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Old March 4th, 2013, 10:28 PM
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i have two cats that came to me VERY young from outside, had a vet check them out and due to being poor have done very little other vet things...

i have a 4yr old that goes absolutely ape-snot when in heat, i've tried all the 'free' options, but i can NOT afford spaying, should i just give her away (she's very loving when not in heat) or try to do a spay-n-dash? any ideas? i've tried calling the local humane society but they want to tack on all these extra $20's and $50's to the bill because i haven't gotten them shots

any ideas?
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Old March 4th, 2013, 11:29 PM
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Have you checked with the office manager at the original vet you went to, to ask them if they will allow you to pay in installments?

Giving the cat away is not going to solve the issue, in that case she is better off being surrendered to the humane society so she will not be allowed to bring more unwanted kittens into the world.

A "spay & dash" as you put it also would not work as in most if not all clinics they will ask for payment before you get the cat so at that time they may also go over any instructions as to after surgery care with you, then they will retrieve the cat from the kennels.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:30 AM
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Where do you live? We might be able to find subsidized spay/neuter programs for you. We have one here in my city called SNAP that provides free speutering for those that can't afford it.
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Old March 8th, 2013, 03:25 PM
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Thumbs up Extra tlc for cat in heat - reply to AnnmarieC.

I found your advice the most helpful. My neutered male has been trying to comfort my little girl, but she still has been making the most horrendous noise! So I tried what you suggested, lots of rubdowns and body scratching. It seems to help. We are living with friends right now, so I can't afford for Scout to be making alot of noise. I am grateful for this forum.
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Old April 6th, 2013, 05:02 AM
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I know I'm coming in YEARS after the question was first posted, but I'm sort of surprised that no posts have addressed one particular way to bring a queen out of heat.

NOTE: I spent about 10 years as an animal foster parent and wound up with more than one queen in heat. I was Googling around tonight to find a better description for the process other foster parents and I used (didn't find one).

FURTHER NOTE: The following is not for the faint of heart.

Thank you to my husband, who always assisted me in these queen-in-heat endeavors. Based on recommendations from other foster parents, I would get a digital thermometer (with a disposable cover), coat the tip with some sort of lubricant, and...well...gently diddle the kitty. And when I say "diddle the kitty," I mean maybe a quarter to a half inch of penetration (and no thrusting!).

The queens always screamed like banshees during the process (like they hadn't already been wandering around the house screaming?); afterward, they rolled around on the floor (and I think they asked us, in cat language, for a cigarette).

The "lustiest" queen required three such treatments.

I'd feel dirty for sharing this with you, but I saw the queens' relief afterward.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 01:39 AM
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Exclamation err...

You mention being surprised that you can't find your technique on google or other forums, and there's just one reason for that:
It's just something that virtually NO sane cat owner would consider doing.
(whether breeders and fosters do it themselves is irrelevant)
Just IMHO.




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I know I'm coming in YEARS after the question was first posted, but I'm sort of surprised that no posts have addressed one particular way to bring a queen out of heat.

NOTE: I spent about 10 years as an animal foster parent and wound up with more than one queen in heat. I was Googling around tonight to find a better description for the process other foster parents and I used (didn't find one).

FURTHER NOTE: The following is not for the faint of heart.

Thank you to my husband, who always assisted me in these queen-in-heat endeavors. Based on recommendations from other foster parents, I would get a digital thermometer (with a disposable cover), coat the tip with some sort of lubricant, and...well...gently diddle the kitty. And when I say "diddle the kitty," I mean maybe a quarter to a half inch of penetration (and no thrusting!).



The queens always screamed like banshees during the process (like they hadn't already been wandering around the house screaming?); afterward, they rolled around on the floor (and I think they asked us, in cat language, for a cigarette).

The "lustiest" queen required three such treatments.

I'd feel dirty for sharing this with you, but I saw the queens' relief afterward.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 01:50 AM
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Thumbs down

I'd also like to add, that I don't suggest anyone EVER follow this advice regardless- You could seriously injure your cat digging around in there.
SUCH bad advice.

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I know I'm coming in YEARS after the question was first posted, but I'm sort of surprised that no posts have addressed one particular way to bring a queen out of heat.

NOTE: I spent about 10 years as an animal foster parent and wound up with more than one queen in heat. I was Googling around tonight to find a better description for the process other foster parents and I used (didn't find one).

FURTHER NOTE: The following is not for the faint of heart.

Thank you to my husband, who always assisted me in these queen-in-heat endeavors. Based on recommendations from other foster parents, I would get a digital thermometer (with a disposable cover), coat the tip with some sort of lubricant, and...well...gently diddle the kitty. And when I say "diddle the kitty," I mean maybe a quarter to a half inch of penetration (and no thrusting!).

The queens always screamed like banshees during the process (like they hadn't already been wandering around the house screaming?); afterward, they rolled around on the floor (and I think they asked us, in cat language, for a cigarette).

The "lustiest" queen required three such treatments.

I'd feel dirty for sharing this with you, but I saw the queens' relief afterward.
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Old June 20th, 2013, 08:57 AM
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soothe the cat

now i know many of you may think that this is a little unorthodox but it does work. My cats go into heat the same time but a week apart usually, so what do I do? well the cat want to get layed and thats why she keeps moaning and being lovable so i give her what she wants. I usually do one of two things I either rub the under side of her thighs while holding her by the scruff (like a male would do) and the howling will get louder, but when she starts to squirm i let her lose and she will wriggle on the floor like a worm and then take off, in silence for an hour or so.

The other option i do if it gets really bad, is i take a qtip and same hold her scruff with one hand and rub her with the qtip around her v with the other, until she wants free and same takes off this time for about two hours in silence. It really does work, but not many people think its right. All i am doing is basically doing what she cant, unlike us humans . I would never insert anything into my cat though only external rubbing to make sure I dont harm her
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Old June 20th, 2013, 09:09 AM
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i have two cats that came to me VERY young from outside, had a vet check them out and due to being poor have done very little other vet things...

i have a 4yr old that goes absolutely ape-snot when in heat, i've tried all the 'free' options, but i can NOT afford spaying, should i just give her away (she's very loving when not in heat) or try to do a spay-n-dash? any ideas? i've tried calling the local humane society but they want to tack on all these extra $20's and $50's to the bill because i haven't gotten them shots

any ideas?
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you should take a look at my post, it works wonders for me, ive been doing it a long time and my vet told me its okay. I dont want to get my cats fixed because the seperation would cause them to not get along so, i found this alternative method
take a look at my post it really does help, my vet even says its okay
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Old December 7th, 2013, 08:23 AM
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Pixie is just beginning heat. Moses & Maverick were neutered right on time (here we have to wait till 6-mo.s.) but there was a terrible virus killing cats, & ours ended up in the hospital for a couple weeeds. Anyway, the thread ideas are helping, definitely trying the rub-downs, both husband & I are massage therapists, & he's worked professionally with pets, so stands to reason. Poor little Pixie. We called the agency & begged them to get her in soon, & possibly take even less to spay her.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 02:50 AM
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Put it in a crate! Mine shuts right up even in the middle of horny howling heat! Why do you all mention being "up all night" and "not getting any sleep". Why do you all let your cats run your life? Just crate your dang cats when you go to bed. Same as you would a crate trained dog. Our cat is 9 months old and has been crated at night EVERY night. I don't care if it stays up all night staring at the wall. The important thing is that my wife and I get to sleep. She willingly goes into the crate too, I don't have to force her. When she's in heat she won't run around the house at night, howl and knock crap over. And guess what else? When she's not in heat she won't run around the house at night and knock crap over.

...... at least shut your bedroom doors and turn on a box fan. Or just shut the cat in a far off room at night with the litter box inside.

POST edited by ADMIN - Please tone the rudeness way down.
I put mine in her carrier if she acts up. She seems to like the carrier. And its comfortable for her. Agree on this one.
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Old April 6th, 2014, 12:48 PM
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Depends on the cat maybe????

When our 2 year old female calico goes into heat we found that first off has to me to do the consoling, the wife just won't do.
What I do is i hold her against my chest, humming in low tones, but I hold her to allow her to let her stretch her body out so her feet are dangling, and i gently massage her belly while I'm humming. She gets extremely relaxed and doesn't meow so much after I do that for about 5-10 minutes a few times a day.

At night time she lays next to me and the wife, and we both keep a hand on her and she sleeps through the night with us also.

I don't know if it is just because we got lucky, but I think as long as you're not doing something to not bring harm to the cat, and it helps her through a tough time, then do it.

So if someone wants to flame this post, meh, you don't matter. I know my cat, and I know what soothes her so she's not being noisy, and annoying.

We pay attention to her, and do what we can because we love her very much.

Some cats love being i boxes, some love attention, some love jumping in water. No matter how strange the cure may seem, I think it you truly love your companion, and you try to find that thing that comforts them through their heat stage, do it. As long as it doesn't harm them, you're still paying attention to them and loving to them, I don't see any harm in thing.

I've had a few cats in my life and these tricks have worked for them all. But they were 2 calico, and 1 siamese. So it might work differently for other breeds of cats and different attitudes of cats.

Cats are individuals. Cats have their own personality. Just like people. Love them, and nurture them, and they'll adapt to you better in my opinion.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 06:34 PM
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Smile On Buttering and Spaying Cats

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Ok...sorry but whoever says that a cats heat cycle is 3-4 days needs to put down the crack pipe.
But I have a solution.....
Step 1) Soften some margarine or butter in a dish.
Step 2) Put butter between every toe you can find on your cat....
Step 3) Go jump into bed and enjoy a good night's sleep.

Your cat will spend the rest of the night licking the butter from between it's toes and after the job will be exhausted from the task. Don't be surprised if she is snoring before you get into bed.

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"3 - 4 days"
It is possible--almost anything is possible--but in my experience and according to most vet references, such short heat cycles are indeed uncommon. A week or longer is much more likely. So, yeah. Agreement there.

"But I have a solution.....

Step 2) Put butter between every toe you can find on your cat....

Your cat will spend the rest of the night licking the butter from between it's toes and after the job will be exhausted from the task. "

*WHOA!* Gotta seriously disagree on this much butter. Most cats can tolerate a little butter (e.g., to get a pill down), but that much butter can make many cats very ill. A college student told me how he buttered his cat in what he thought would be a amusing test of the cat/buttered toast paradox (Google it if you don't know about this purported source of perpetual motion.

The cat became extremely ill, and he wound up with a large vet bill.

The idea is basically decent--instead, I would recommend using one of the feline nutritional supplements like Tomlyn Nutri-Cal for Cats (or Kittens) which is even stickier, and thus should occupy the cat for even longer than butter.

Also, it is a very bad idea to have your cat spayed while they are actually in estrus (heat.) The surgery risks are increased, due to inflammation of internal organs. Better to wait until she's gone off heat at least a week.

Most vets do know this; but as with human doctors, 50% of all vets graduated in the bottom half of their class. Just sayin'.

Finally, if you search the Net, or some reference books (such as the otherwise mostly good "The Book Of The Cat"), you will come across advice to shut up a yowling estrus female with anything from a Q-Tip to a rectal thermometer. Inserted internally, to mimic mating.

THIS IS A VERY BAD IDEA, for multiple reasons:

1. If you manage to properly mimic mating, anyone who has witnessed regular successful feline matings can guess the obvious danger. A female usually grrrs angrily during mating, and at "peak", she instantly shrieks, hisses, and violently turns and attacks the male cat with a furious spasm of flurrying teeth and claws. This is all extremely fast. Experienced studs know to instantly spring back and head for the hills. Alas, few humans have cat-like reaction times required to avoid attempted disemboweling by their (normally) loving pet. Gushing blood and interesting scars can result.

2. The "satisfied" female often violently jerks and contorts at culmination; with risk of breaking off and leaving part of anything inserted inside her. Can you say Big Vet Bill?

3. The Q-Tip solution is prevalent on the Web, and especially dangerous. Cotton can easily be left inside your cat, and this is Bad.

There's more, but that's enough for now. In general, sticking anything physical inside any of your cat's orifices except her mouth is a Bad Idea.

I apologize if this skeeves anyone out, but biology is a messy thing.

YouTube is rife with ignorance, titling perfectly normal feline matings as Rape, etc. ad nauseum. National Geographic's YouTube vid, with the charming title of "Barbed Cat Penis" is the most useful I found. However, their video of domestic cats mating is far less violent than average reality. The same vid also shows lions mating, and the lioness' violent reaction is much more like what I've observed in over twenty years experience breeding pedigree kittens. Our Tonkinese girls are far more loving, social, intelligent, and gentle than the average cat, but they still turn into miniature lionesses when mated.

It is true that a successfully mated estrus female does indeed shut up for at least several hours or longer. A few large breeders (which I am NOT) keep a "teaser Tom"--a male cat with a vasectomy, I kid you not--for the purpose of quieting females they don't want to breed that heat cycle. Such male cats still spray, so...not gonna work for most people.

It is also true that there is a method of using careful pressure on specific EXTERNAL-only portions of a female cat's hindquarters and abdomen which successfully mimics mating, and stops her yowling for a time, as if she had been bred. It's much safer than any type of physical insertion (except, obviously, one performed by a male cat! Unfortunately, the usual angry grrring, shriek, and striking snake murder attempt still happens, so it seems that barbed penis thing may not be the complete explanation for a female cat's violent mating reaction. Plus, still the problems of learning the technique properly--the exact pressure points and amount of pressure to safely apply; rapid flight to avoid lacerations when she is "satisfied." It requires practice, a certain amount of skill and speed.

And maybe a pair of elbow-length heavy leather fireplace gloves...

My husband likes to call a successfully mated female cat a Cuddly Cobra, because first there's a whole-hearted murderous attack, quick as a striking snake; fortunately this only lasts a couple seconds. Then there's a longer period of luxuriant rolling about, vigorous thrashing, and rabbit-kicking the heck out of innocent slippers, stuffed animals, or any human body part unfortunate enough to come into reach. All this rolling, thrashing, etc. is interspersed with brief hissing bouts and vigorous grooming of her personal bits. Which latter, BTW, are NOT actually touched at all in the external pressure point technique.

I suppose I really should make a video demonstrating this external pressure-point technique...even though it too, is only a briefly useful stop-gap measure, not a substitute for spaying. Apparently, over 50,000 folks think the Q-Tip thing is a good idea, judging by Google hits; far more than know of the effective external pressure points. Sigh...

*ANY* kind of artificial mating to stop a female's yowling should never be done for more than a couple heat cycles in a row, due to increased risk of all sorts of awful disease, including cancer. I can't emphasize this too strongly.

We only use the external pressure point yowl-stop for a queen who goes into heat when it would compromise her health to breed her. Sometimes a first heat can hit at only six months age! Sometimes a nursing queen can go into heat only two weeks after delivering a litter of healthy kittens! It would be quite unhealthy to breed a queen in such cases, but her yowling could indeed drive one to mental instability. Fortunately, the pressure point technique does work. Sometimes it quiets her for an entire night (yay!); sometimes it only quiets her for several hours (boo!); the result is the same amount of silence as mating with a stud, which varies quite a bit.

Nonetheless, spaying is the only safe long-term solution.

Yes, spay/neuter can be quite the budget hit. Here in the U.S., most Humane Societies offer very reduced fees if you're low income; I would hope much of Canada has similar programs.


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