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Old January 26th, 2012, 07:50 PM
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I haven't had any luck finding anyone that knows about this "Canine Allergy Screen" testing simply for histamines.

DH fed Roxy a Pizzle about 5 days ago and holy mackerel did she ever have a bad reaction to that! At least that seems to be the offender. I'm thinking again about taking Roxy back to the vet mainly to look at her feet and figure out what the issue there is (yeast?). Otherwise, on the phone the vet really wants me to try out the prescription food...of course. I would be more likely to try something like 30% chicken, 30% oatmeal, 30% frozen mixed veggies (no corn) or something to that effect. it would be rather costly to feed a 75 lb dog this type of diet though...ugh. Beef would be much cheaper, but given the reaction to the Pizzle...

I ordered a tub of Platinum Performance to see if it might help. I might try a couple of their other products at some point. I've heard a lot of good things about these products.
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Old January 29th, 2012, 11:10 PM
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Well Roxy isn't any better. Her feet are real bad, her skin is awful, and she is very, very itchy again. I'm now starting to wonder if the food doesn't matter, if it is something else she is reacting to (or infected with or?). Maybe the Cephalexin treatment in October & November knocked it back and it is just building up again now. I'm going to schedule her for the vet again. They want to do a skin biopsy.

On the yeast infection front...is there some home test I can do to test for a yeast infection? Would soaking her feet in yogurt do any good? Maybe even just be soothing?
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Old January 30th, 2012, 12:53 AM
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For yeast on the feet, soaking in black tea sometimes helps (though it can stain!). Also dipping in a weak mix of vinegar and water can help, but sometimes stings a bit.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 07:58 AM
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Thanks Lisa, I remember you saying that although I couldn't find any reference to black tea online. Do you know why it would work? I did find lots of talk about apple cider vinegar and yogurt on their skin, and the occasional suggestion of tea tree oil. One of the holistic vets on Martha Stewart's channel on Sirius Radio often suggests using vinegar or apple cider vinegar...can't really remember as I haven't been able to listen for quite some time. I think it was for any type of skin issue to help soothe. I should send him an email.

I'm not sure if it is yeast or not...just another idea. So many rashes and symptoms look so similar!
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Old January 31st, 2012, 08:57 AM
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So I was listening to Dr Marty Goldstein on the Martha Stewart channel on Sirius lastnight. He is a DVM that combines conventional and holistic medicine. He had a guest on, and at one point they were talking about yeast infections of the ears and feet. Dr Marty's biggest recommendation was to try apple cider vinegar mixed 1-2 parts per 4 parts water in a spray bottle (or dropper for ears). I missed how many times per day he recommended to use it.

So I mixed up the apple cider vinegar and water and sprayed Roxy's feet for the first time lastnight. I'm going to try applying twice per day. Hopefully I can see some improvement soon, or at least if I don't see any improvement it would be a good sign that yeast is not the problem.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Interestingly Roxy's paws look really good right now after just two sprays (one lastnight, one this morning). Roxy's belly looked much better this morning after lastnight's spraying, but I forgot to spray it this morning and it seems to be flared up again. Hmmm...

If this continues to show improvement then I will start rinsing Roxy's whole body in this solution every evening as Dr Marty suggests.
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Here are some pics...

Jan 30th (before using apple cider vinegar):



Jan 31st (24 hours after the first apple cider vinegar treatment...results are best after 12 hours, so I think it needs to be applied twice per day)



Here are her toes from Jan 30th (before the ACV, I haven't taken more photos, but they are waaaay better):




Here's her chest on Jan 31 after one ACV treament:
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Old February 1st, 2012, 09:13 PM
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I hope that it continues to improve!

The black tea - it's supposed to be the tannins, I think. It was on Dr. Oz
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Old February 1st, 2012, 09:23 PM
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Dr Oz? Really? Hmmm...weird. I just decided to use the ACV because I hear the holistic vets Dr Shawn Messonier and Dr Marty Goldstein talk about it for yeast quite often.

Anyone know if the rash looks yeasty?
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 06:37 AM
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That is exactly like Marty gets around her armpit area during a breakout. Her feet are good mind you. Her lips get crusty. I hope you have luck with this solution! Poor pooch.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 08:04 AM
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Thanks for the luck Marty! Although it doesn't give much hope if your Marty gets the same type of rash. Have you tried apple cider vinegar on the rash? Look at my results this morning:



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Old February 5th, 2012, 04:11 PM
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Well the rash is a little better than the last pics. Her feet are definitely better. Not a resolve yet. I started adding plain yogurt to Roxy's breakfast on Feb 2nd. I want to try adding fish oil again soon. Now that the rash is under control for the most part it seems like a good time to experiment with food again.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 04:17 PM
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Any suggestions on a food to try? Looking for something good or high quality other than Orijen/Acana. Limited ingredients or hypoallergenic maybe be a good idea...who knows at this point. I'm going to look at the cost of Carnivora (formerly Urban Carnivore).
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Old February 5th, 2012, 05:56 PM
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Blue Buffalo?
Good call, thanks! Easy to find, reasonably priced, and look to have quality ingredients. Their Blue Wilderness line is grain-free, and they also have a Basics line that has limited ingredients so there are lots of options within the brand. I don't like the canola oil or tomato pomace in their foods, but at this point I'm getting less picky! I notice no fish in the varieties I checked out, so that's good for Roxy too (assuming she really is having issues with fish...who knows). I think I'm going to try the Basics Adult Turkey.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 06:03 PM
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Try Carna4. It's spouted grains and organic chicken, apparantly if this doesn't work.......no food will. Don't be afraid of the chicken either. It's twice as expensive as Orijen!!!! I was thinking of trying it myself, it's worth it. No treats what so ever, try it for 8 weeks min.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Twice the price of Orijen? Are you nuts? My dog is 75 lbs! I need something cheaper than Orijen! Thankfully (haha), there are no dealers of Carna4 in my city, but strangely a much smaller city 2 1/2 hours away there is one dealer. Go figure.

Roxy just gets dog food for treats. Peewee gets the Blue Bits...he loves them. So does Roxy, but she can't have them until we get this sorted out.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 06:58 AM
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I may give it a try? I am curious and I have a 25 lb dog to feed plus I need to get her off steroids. I have a large bag of Acana to go through first. If I do I'll keep you posted.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 07:40 AM
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Have you tried spraying Marty with diluted apple cider vinegar? Even if it may not be a cure (although it does look like a cure), it is providing a lot of relief for Roxy. for less than $5 for the vinegar and the spray bottle it's worth a shot!

I'm just waiting for my discount to be applied to my Fedex account and then I'm going to order a tub of Platinum Performance for Roxy. The yogurt seems to be ok with her. These two things should really help her if yeast is the culprit. Now I think of it I probably shouldn't change her kibble right now while I'm adding the yogurt and the PP. Stupid Iams... *sigh*
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Old February 10th, 2012, 07:59 AM
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Well, I still haven't been able to order the Platinum Performance...hopefully next week. So I decided to get Roxy back onto the Acana Wild Prairie again and see what the effects are. She got her first (partial) meal of it on Tuesday evening. She doesn't get digestive upsets easily, so I can switch her over fairly quickly, but I started slow to see if there would be a reaction. I'm about 2/3 Acana right now. So far there is no increase in Roxy's skin irritation. I forgot to mention that I started adding plain yogurt to each meal (she's fed twice a day) about 10 days ago too. I'm very happy to report that her skin is in better condition than it has been in 6 months!

I'm going to give the dogs a bath this weekend and wash their bedding. Hopefully now that Roxy's skin is better she won't stink so bad anymore. She has been smelling like an outdoor dog that hasn't been bathed in a year, even just a few days after getting a bath.

I finally discovered a vet in the city that practices holistic medicine in addition to traditional medicine. So I will take Roxy there for her next check up and blood panel.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:06 AM
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When you wash the bedding, use Tide Free, no fabric softener. U probably already know this but just incase.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 12:18 PM
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That's what I used to do. Now I'm just using washing soda and Borax. I would add some glycerin, but I can't find any. On the last wash I added a few drops of Tea Tree Oil to the rinse water. Thanks for the tip though!
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These take an awful long time to clear, if they don't treat with Ceph long enough, or if it is slightky resistent to Ceph. You might also look into things like Oil of Oregano (internal), coconut oil, etc.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 05:26 PM
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Lisa, are you referring to yeast infections? I don't intend to try to treat it with Cephalexin. Roxy was given Cephalexin last October to prevent a secondary infection when the rash was real bad. Yeast infection didn't come up in our chats at that time...I'm not sure if the vet thought about it or not. I do know that she didn't see any yeast (or abnormal amounts?) in the skin scrapings she did. She didn't find anything unusual in the skin scrapings and she took about 6 samples from all over her. At that time Roxy's feet were not affected.

Right now Roxy is about 95%. Her hind feet are slightly reddened some days. That's one thing that is unusual (I think)...her feet change day to day. Some days they are really red, really tender, and the skin is degrading. Other days they aren't even pink. Her feet haven't been as bad as the skin degrading in at least a week now though, so that's a good sign.
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My dog Anna woke up one morning COVERED in hives. She was puking as well. I had used a washing liquid for a while for our clothes and she was ok, but the moment I washed her bed with it, she broke out bad. It took her a while to get better and we did use benadryl to help ease her itchiness, per vet recommendation, and he gave her some shots but she did get over it. I never used the same liquid, went back to our old stuff and it's never happened again.

I can't help but wonder if maybe it's not the brand of washing liquid you are using but maybe just the same ingredient in everything you are using. Have you tried not using anything at all but just plain hot water? If not, try washing all of her things several times in hot water to get rid of any residue left behind from any detergent. Vinegar is also a great, natural alternative to help getting rid of smells without using chemicals for her anal gland smell. Not ON her but on her things if they smell like anal glands. I hope she gets better and it seems like the stuff you are using is working!

I know you said you got her from a farm. I know that a lot of farms are devoid of grass with the machinery and animals trampling all over everything and they can be awfully muddy. Is it possible that she may be allergic to the grass or something IN the grass?
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Old February 16th, 2012, 09:33 AM
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Thanks for your reply Cass. We don't have any grass at this time of year...it is all snow! At first I was thinking it might be the grass since that was back in mid-summer when the issues started, but now it just can't be since we have had several months of no grass now. For their beds I was using Tide Free & Clear, then I switched to simply using washing soda and Borax (a cup of each in a large load). In the last couple loads I have added a few drops of Tea Tree Oil to the rinse water to help with smells since the washing soda and Borax wasn't doing the trick. These changes don't seem to have made any difference.

Roxy still scoots her butt now and then, but she isn't stinking of anal glands anymore either, so that's good news as well. We'll see what the diet change does for this...

So far, the change in food hasn't caused any further irritation. Roxy just has some mild irritation between her toes which has been persistent since before I made the food changes, so now I'm pretty sure the issue isn't the food either like I was suspecting a few months ago. She has now been fully changed over to Acana Wild Prairie (which I thought she had a reaction to last fall) for four days. I started the switch on Feb 7th. I'm still giving her about 3 tbsp of plain yogurt twice a day. I think all yogurt has live cultures in it, but I made sure to choose one that states live probiotic cultures right on the package.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 04:08 PM
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Well, Roxy may have a bit more irritation between her toes the yesterday and today. This may be because I am only spraying them once a day now. I will go back to twice daily sprays. I do wonder...if ACV is helping does that mean that yeast definitely is the problem? Or would ACV help any rash?

The Platinum Performance should be here Tuesday. I bought a 3 month supply to try out.



Marty, have you tried the ACV solution on Marty yet??
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seems so many of our Pitties have 'skin' issues.

when i first got my girl she had a lot of problems..itchy.hot spots.loose stools, etc.

i put her on the same food my dobes get.purina pro plan salmon and rice and she has had no skin or digestive problems since.

ACV is a very good supplement to feed your pets too. you must start out with just a few drops added to their water or food and slowly build it up to a tsp. or two a day, depending on the size of your pet.

To help soothe irritated skin........an oatmeal bath works wonders.

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Well I finally got the Platinum Performance for Roxy. She got a half dose yesterday evening, and a full dose this morning. It sure smells good.

Roxy's feet are definitely more irritated between the toes in the last few days even though the rest of her skin is looking pretty good. The ACV solution is helping to keep the irritation in check though, so I will keep on with the Acana Wild Prairie (I'm still not convinced it's the food). She got bathed on Monday and is already starting to smell again like rank dirty dog. She's an indoor dog so there is no reason for her to stink, I think it has something to do with the skin issues.

Thank for your input DarKevs! I am almost out of doggie shampoo, and I will buy an oatmeal shampoo for sure. When I spray Roxy's feet with the ACV solution she does end up licking some of it off her feet and licks whatever she can get off the blanket after I spray. She really likes the taste of it.
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Old March 18th, 2012, 02:55 PM
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Well, Roxy has been on the Acana Wild Prairie for 5 weeks now. You know how people get allergy shots? I'm thinking maybe Roxy could kind of get used to the food and maybe the allergy/sensitivities might subside. I'm able to keep the rash at bay with once daily sprays on her paws. She doesn't have the rash anywhere on her body anymore, just some irritation between her toes. Roxy has been on the Platinum Performance now for 3 1/2 weeks and I don't notice any difference one way or the other with this supplement besides her coat is really, really soft now (might be because of the Acana though). She still stinks though, and still having anal gland issues/smells.

I don't know...I'm at a loss. This has been an 8 month struggle now.
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