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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:10 AM
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the power of playing

I allways have hear that the moment of playing is when we sometimes see some educational problems. For example: when the dog is coming showing a toy in his mouth I knew that isnīt inviting me for to play, he show his toy like his trofeu, his grate medal like "I want to play with this ball now! Because I'm the alph and now it's to play now!"

One think wich I have read in the book of Jan Fellen, is when one dog are playng to the get the ball she says if the dog don't return the ball it's a sine of grate audacity.

In this situation what we do? We fake that we don't want to play or just take the toy from his mouth and stop the playing like who is saying "that's enouth!"?


By the way, she says to for never enter in draw games because the dog could think that he is the boss and he is the strongest one? But I can't see why never draw games if I always win in draw games...
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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:31 AM
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When my dog greets you or when she's really happy, she grabs a toy, but does not want you to have it either. Just for show..... I am not sure what that means either.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:59 AM
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Dogs play for the same reason all animals do (including us) - to develop good social skills, to build physical endurance and, well, to have fun
There is nothing wrong with how your dog is trying to play with you - "keep away" is a very common game - but if it's not the way you want them to engage you teach them other games you want to play instead (i.e. tug, fetch, "find it" etc.)
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Old April 7th, 2011, 09:04 AM
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How do u teach "find it". She has (I'm sure like most dogs) an amazing sniffer. She will dig to china if there is even a crumb under the couch. I think we would enjoy that game.....
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Old April 7th, 2011, 02:31 PM
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I'm going for quantity over quality here (i couldn't find the video I was thinking of) but here are a few that might help

This has a breakdown of the find-it game (a little ways in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6mTgIMr_1w

This has a number of scent games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJxG-...eature=related

This one is working on object discrimination once you have mastered the find-it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pyFTcuUfSM
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Old April 12th, 2011, 07:12 AM
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If you get read the Jan Fellen book you will know what I mean...
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Your post is laden with emotional and prejudicial language. You are claiming to have knowledge about the mind of the dog, something you couldn't possibly have.

There are several studies that point to the fact that dogs play differently depending on whether it is dog-human or dog-dog. The studies are long and complex but it comes to this: with humans play is cooperative and with among dogs it is competitive.

Some of the best trained dogs I've seen are protection schutzhund trained dogs and in training they always get to "win.", I'm not necessarily suggesting it is causative but I would suspect there is a correlation.
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Dogs play for the same reason all animals do (including us) - to develop good social skills, to build physical endurance and, well, to have fun
There is nothing wrong with how your dog is trying to play with you - "keep away" is a very common game - but if it's not the way you want them to engage you teach them other games you want to play instead (i.e. tug, fetch, "find it" etc.)
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I have not read her book but I have looked into the author. I totally agree with part of her philosophy, but some of her methodologies are grounded in fairly specious science.

I found these books very informing and interesting, maybe you might like them too?

http://www.amazon.com/Other-End-Leas...ref=pd_sim_b_5

http://www.amazon.com/Dogs-Understan...2613872&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Talking-Terms-...ef=pd_sim_b_13
I agree with both these posts . Play is an excellent way to improve your relationship with your dog and is an amazing training tool. Please don't read all sorts of alpha things into your dog wanting to play with you. Take it as a compliment that your dog enjoys interacting with you. It is important to teach an "off switch" so you aren't being demanded to play all the time but that can be easily taught with positive methods.
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