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Old November 5th, 2010, 01:46 PM
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Idiopathic Eosinophilic Meningitis and probable Vaccinosis

As some of you know, we had an appt. to see a holistic vet. LP had went to Dr. Dodds seminar in ONT. a couple of weeks ago and put me in contact with Dr. Dodds (Thank you soooo much LP!! ).

Dr. Dodds had me email her some of Nanook's test results, health and vaccine history etc. After reviewing, she said she believes he has Vaccinosis and asked that we start treatment to detox him of the vaccines. She was speaking at a seminar in Kentucky that day along with a holistic vet from Edmonton, Dr. Steve Marsden. She spoke with him regarding Nanook and he asked that I email him, so I did.

He responded saying that he thinks Nanook should be seen by his clinic, but that he himself, would not have time as he is very busy and does not see new patients. He asked that I forward Nanook's file to his clinic and schedule an appt. I was very hesitant as it was him I would have liked to see since he and Dr. Dodds know each other very well. So I was a bit disappointed. But I did as he requested and had our vet fax over all his files.

Later that evening I got an email from Dr. Marsden saying he was quite alarmed by Nanooks physical state, the harsh medications he is on and more than anything, by the most recent bloodwork and said he wanted to see Nanook himself, sooner rather than later.

I was bit confused and didn't know whether to be happy that we were actually going to get to see him, or extremely worried that he now wanted to see Nanook himself due to the test results, so I was a bit of both

We had our first visit yesterday morning. I meant to write yesterday, but ended up at the hospital with DH and didn't get home until midnight.

Dr. Marsden believes that Nanook does have vaccinosis, but doesn't believe that is the main reason for his problems. He believes Nanook has severe digestive issues (which DH and I can attest to ) and he thinks that the vaccines aggravated the condition and fed fuel to the fire causing an immune mediated response (Eosinophilic Syndrome). He went on to explain how the body works from a holistic view and said he knew it would be a leap of faith for us to try and believe that his digestive system could cause all the problems, including the seizures, and he is right. But at this point, maybe a leap of faith is what's needed, so we plunged!

He has put Nanook on 2 different herbs and said he eventually wants to get Nanook off all the harsh medications that are slowly killing him, but said he's smart enough to know that those same medications are also keeping him alive and helping control the seizures, so he won't do it until he's sure we have his digestive system back on the right track. He said a lot of things and had another vet with him so she will be familiar and be able to help for the times he is out of town. I have always been such a skeptic about holistic treatments, but it's time to have some faith and believe that this will work.

He isn't going to detox him for the vaccines for 2 reasons. He said the vaccines were given so long ago and even though it may still be able to detox him, his body is too weak to undergo such a detox at this point.

He said with the treatment he's on now, we should notice an improvement in several areas within the next week such as consistent stools, more energy, less restlessness at night and should not see him foraging for food all the time. He said we should also notice him not wanting to eat dirt, rocks, concrete etc (he is obsessed with a patch of lawn we reseeded and tries to grab a mouthful of the soil every time we walk by it). He said if we notice all the improvements, we are on the right track. If not, he will have to rethink everything. So here's hoping!!

One thing he did say was that all the events we see that the specialist and our regular vet have stated are probably neurological events, are most likely not. Such as the swimming while he's laying on his side. He thinks that's just an invitation to play (Nanook did it while we were there). And the biting of our feet and ankles (he only does it once in awhile, but it's weird) he thinks is just him being playful as he may have a moment or 2 of "feeling good" despite all the problems. He said we've probably never seen the real Nanook due to all of the medications and health problems and that he hopes, with his help and the treatment he has planned, we will finally get to "meet" our puppy for the first time

Sorry for the long post, but there was just so much information! And again, a HUGE thank you to luckypenny for caring enough to get this ball rolling for us
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Wow, I hope you get some good results

So did he mention anything about changing his diet to a raw/natural diet?
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Wow, I hope you get some good results

So did he mention anything about changing his diet to a raw/natural diet?
He did mention that we will have to change his diet, but not right now. He said a natural diet, but didn't specifically mention raw. So I'm not sure what he has planned as far as that goes. He did say it would be down the road a bit. He wants to stabilize him a bit more before any other changes are made. If the treatment is working in a week he is removing the Pancreas-V from his diet as the first step
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Awesome news. I sure hope this is the miracle that Nanook needs to get himself back on track with life. I'm sure your leap of faith will be rewarded! I'm so happy to hear that you were able to see the Dr. you wanted, and now we'll be waiting for multiple positive updates. Yay yay yay, this is a happy day for all of us who have been following Nanooks story. Bless you for taking such good care of your baby no matter what, I'm sure it has been daunting.
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Awesome news. I sure hope this is the miracle that Nanook needs to get himself back on track with life. I'm sure your leap of faith will be rewarded! I'm so happy to hear that you were able to see the Dr. you wanted, and now we'll be waiting for multiple positive updates. Yay yay yay, this is a happy day for all of us who have been following Nanooks story. Bless you for taking such good care of your baby no matter what, I'm sure it has been daunting.
It has been lol, but he's worth it. Our doggies are our kids
I'm hoping to give those multiple positive updates starting this week!
Thank you so much for all the kind words
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Wow, this is such great news.

I am really surprised that you got a reply from Dr Dodds and an appointment with Dr Marsden so quickly though considering that they're both so busy. I sure hope that Dr Marsden's diagnosis puts Nanook on the road to recovery.
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Sending that Nanook responds well!!!!! Keeping all ...not to mention crossed s...that you see improvements soon!!!!
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That you see improvements in a week and he feels better!
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One thing he did say was that all the events we see that the specialist and our regular vet have stated are probably neurological events, are most likely not. Such as the swimming while he's laying on his side. He thinks that's just an invitation to play (Nanook did it while we were there). And the biting of our feet and ankles (he only does it once in awhile, but it's weird) he thinks is just him being playful as he may have a moment or 2 of "feeling good" despite all the problems. He said we've probably never seen the real Nanook due to all of the medications and health problems and that he hopes, with his help and the treatment he has planned, we will finally get to "meet" our puppy for the first time
My only words of advice here for when Nanook is feeling much better is, "watch out!!!" . Nothing like a playful adolescent pup in the house .

I wish you all nothing but the best outcome possible .

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I am really surprised that you got a reply from Dr Dodds...
She's very accessible, even when she's traveling for seminars or for out-of-country research projects. She explained that she reviews test results personally every evening and tries to get back to all her emails asap. My greatest impression is she's not just an incredible vet/researcher, she's a warm, caring person.
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You have my continued support and prayers for Nooky. I love him like he was one of mine. Sending tons of for you, your hubby and your babies.
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I had a great conversation with lp and she made a suggestion which I thought was great! Below are the holistic meds that Nanook is taking along with the links to the other threads regarding his condition and history. I was telling lp that I have spent hours researching the internet and other dog/pet forums trying to find even 1 person who has been in a similar situation with their dog, but with no luck. The only thing that comes up are my own posts here on pets. Hopefully if someone else has a dog with similar symptoms, this will help them (and their vet as not many vets are very familiar with his condition either) to possibly understand what is going on and find a treatment. It's still too soon to tell if the holistic treatment will work, but one thing I do know is that something has at least given him more energy to play and be a crazy, happy boy for the last few days

He's currently taking San Ren Tang-3 teaspoons twice daily and Calcarea Carbonica-5 pills once a day for 3 days, then 4 once a day for 3 days then 3 once a day until the vet tells us differently.

Below are the links to posts starting with the oldest (that are related to his condition, symptoms & treatments). He is also still on a traditional western treatment for Idiopathic Eosinophilic Meningitis which includes, at this point, 20mg Prednisone (10mg 2x daily), 120mg daily Phenobarbital (60mg 2x daily) and Azathioprine 75mg once every other day. He also takes, daily, Vi-Sorbits, Aller G-3 Omega 3 capsule, Fortiflora and then 1/2 tsp Pancreas-V with every meal (3x daily).

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=70716


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=70850


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=70907


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=71185


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=71933


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=72031


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=71990


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=72210


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=72650


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=72750


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=72865


http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=73101

We have managed to keep him with us for 6 months now with the current treatment. We're praying that the holistic treatment will allow for him to be eventually taken off the Prednisone, Phenobarbital and Azathioprine so his organs can heal and escape further damage

We still have no guarantees, of course, but whatever happens, at least we have gotten to love him (and laugh at him) for the time that we have.
He has energized Thorin, who now loves him being around as well! We never thought Thorin would actually "like" him. Our best hope was that he would "tolerate" him. So we are thankful for everything!

Anything new that happens I will put in this thread to keep it updated and not create any new ones.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 11:54 PM
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Great idea to amalgamate all your posts regarding Nanook.

I have another suggestion though .....you should pm Marko and ask him to change the title of this thread to something that relates to Nanook's condition so it will show up when people do a search.

Did you ever find out where Nanook got the frisbee from? I sure hope the poor guy is doing okay now.
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Great idea to amalgamate all your posts regarding Nanook.

I have another suggestion though .....you should pm Marko and ask him to change the title of this thread to something that relates to Nanook's condition so it will show up when people do a search.

Great idea! I'll do that today, thanks

Did you ever find out where Nanook got the frisbee from? I sure hope the poor guy is doing okay now.
Nope. The only place possible could have been the old daycare
We know they were neglecting him (almost to the point of abuse). I'll be speaking with the owner just so she is aware. Otherwise, he seems to be doing pretty good
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Morning all! We have had a few pretty good days! Nanook seems to be feeling MUCH better. He still lounges around a lot, but doesn't sleep as much. He's had a lot less gas than usual and when I picked him up from daycare on Tuesday, the girls said he is doing wonderfully!
The one said they normally have to poke him to make sure he's still alive, but the last few days he's been gurgling (it's a weird little howl he does), very playful and just seems to be feeling so much better! So... obviously the herbs are doing something for him. Even if they don't "cure" him, they're allowing him to be happy and feeling good
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Just a quick update!

Monster went in for his follow-up CBC today. We had no idea how low his RBC was last Saturday when he had the transfusion. On Friday afternoon (last week) he was at 2.7, by Saturday around noon he was down to 1.25

We leave for the states in a couple of weeks, so I got copies of all the recent blood tests to put in his file at home in case he has to see a vet down south and when I saw the one from Saturday, my heart about leaped out of my chest. I know they said he was in really bad shape, but Shaun and I had no idea it was that low. I didn't know you could survive at that level
But that would explain why they didn't think he would make it through the weekend. Guess he fooled them (again)!!

I'm very happy to say that his RBC is at 7.48 today, on the high side of normal!! *does the happy dance*
His white blood count is a bit low, but the vet on duty said that could be because his body was working so hard to pump out the red blood cells, and he does have Giardia. But overall, his CBC was great! She told us to take it home and frame it

As long as he continues to fight, we will too
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Way to go Mr Nanook,aka nookie monster. Robyn I am so happy to hear that he is doing so much better. Now to get his papilloma under control and we can have a doggy date. What is Giardia? patti
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Canine Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca

Nanook has been having trouble with his eyes for several months. They water so bad that it wets his cheeks all the way down the side of his face. We have asked all of the vets about it and no one seemed concerned at all. The internal specialist we were seeing did an eye stain, said it was normal and didn't think it was anything to worry about. Our regular vet thought it was due to allergies but didn't want to put him on antihistamines.

Well, it has gotten a lot worse. He's constantly pawing at them, the red rim around his eyes has gotten so thick and dark, he looks like a person who has some horrible disease (when their eyes get all puffy with bags and dark circles) so we took him back to the vet yesterday. Dr. Marsden (the Mrs. Marsden) said last week she thought he just had an eyelid problem and it was nothing to worry about, but yesterday she decided to do a Shirmer tear test, which he failed miserably and she diagnosed him with Dry Eye (Canine Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca). I just hope that it hasn't been let go for so long that it can't be treated. It can cause ulcers in the eye, blindness and other issues. We have to put ointment in his eyes twice a day and if it doesn't help, then we move on to artificial tears several times a day for life (from what I have read). I'm praying that it can be reversed, but from everything I have seen, it doesn't look promising. The tube of ointment last 1 week and is $60. I can't imagine having to do this for life

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Oh, crap! Hope his eyes respond to the treatment, Robyn.
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Jeez, poor guy just can't catch a break . Your homeopathic vet will probably also be a good source for the eye thing. Hope it settles down soon .
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Jeez, poor guy just can't catch a break . Your homeopathic vet will probably also be a good source for the eye thing. Hope it settles down soon .
Ya, it's the holistic vet that diagnosed him yesterday. We rarely see our traditional vet these days. We will know next Friday whether or not he is responding to the treatment. He has responded very well to most everything else, so we're hopeful
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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:40 PM
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<sigh> Poor Nanook and, of course, you and hubby too.

Is this connected to his immune system as well? I hope the ointment is able to help.
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