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Old February 2nd, 2010, 08:49 AM
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Unhappy dog touching me

Ok, i'm not even sure how to eplain this properly and i can't find anything on the internet regarding this topic. Now, i dont even want to discuss cesar milan, but he is the only reference to have made mention of this. He has talked about when a dog touches you with his nose or jumps up. He says that only the alpha can touch lower dogs, never the other way around. My 5 month old puppy "touches" both me and my bf with his nose contantly.

He does this very puposefuly, it is not an accident, he lines up and pokes with his nose dead on. On the legs, arms if your sitting, ass if your walking. Is this what Ceasar was talking about ?? is this dominance ?? it feels like it to me.. He doesnt have many other dominant traits, although he is a coon hound and seems somewhat aloof about certain things, def. not dominant.

I'm really not sure how to explain it other than, i want him to stop it because it seems like he's invading my personal space.. am i crazy ?? hopefully someones has some insight for me !! Thanks !
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 09:05 AM
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Touching with the nose can also be an incredibly submissive gesture, and is seen commonly in pups. It's a soliciting gesture; they're asking for food.

Now, typically this kind of touching would happen around the face/lips (i.e., where the food comes from). Adult dogs will do it to another animal as a sign of submission.

Our adult GSD does this all. the. time. She's incredibly submissive, and is contantly poking at poor Gracie (the dominant dog), and us humans (never Heidi though).

The poking you're describing, on the hands/arms while you're sitting, is a different kind of solicitation...he wants something else, probably pats or just plain old attention. This kind of thing, in an otherwise calm, stable dog...wouldn't bother me at all. In a bossy, dominant dog, however, I wouldn't reward the behaviour, I'd ignore it. I would instead call the dog to me and initiate the positive interactions myself.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 09:15 AM
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Both my dogs 'poke' me when I am sitting down, mainly on the arms, hands or legs. For them, it is their way of saying they want to be petted and have attention. It doesn't bother me with them, since neither of my dogs are dominant types.

Usually I try and initiate the petting sessions, but Nova (my border collie), isn't really the cuddly type. Usually she's happy with just a quick hello pat, and she's off to do her own thing. So when Nova pokes me, I'm quite happy to give her some attention. It's a treat for me

Cody, my 9 year old Aussie is a different story. He is too pushy about it, so I will ignore him when he is trying to get attention. He will also poke me when he is hungry and wants his dinner. Having a set feeding schedule helps with this.
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Old February 2nd, 2010, 09:26 AM
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That makes sense, the feeling i get from him is a "what are you doing" kind of thing.. and he loooves lots of attention so that also really fits the bill... i mean, things could be A LOT worse so a little nose touching isnt a big deal, i will just make sure that it doesnt get more demanding. ugh... it's been five years since i've owned a puppy, i think i forgot what it's like.. haha

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Old February 3rd, 2010, 06:20 PM
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Cesar is not all bad, but he tends to toss everything into dominance or submission when there are lots of places in-between.

We like to look at things as 'whose in charge of the moment?’. When your dog 'nose punches' you it could be for several reasons. It could be attention getting behavior, it could be to solicit play, it could be a challenge, and it could be aggression.

You do best to read his energy. Anger/frustration would be easy to interpret as aggression. A soft face with soulful eyes could be attention getting “please pet me” emotions. Perky ears, wide eyes and higher energy could be “let’s play NOW” energy.

Everything your dog does has meaning and it is up to you to interpret it correctly and respond appropriately. It’s not a bad thing for your dog to give you the ‘please pet me’ touch, but how often does he do it and what is your response? Do you pet him right away and say ‘yes sir’ or do you ask him to do something first to earn it so that it puts you back in control.

It’s not that you need to be a control freak but dogs basically do what works and when it works they do it even more. So an immediate reward for his demanding behavior can lead to a lot more demanding behavior – is that what you want to sign up for?
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Old February 4th, 2010, 06:48 AM
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Like most people have already stated him "nosing" you isn't necessarily you being dominated. It coule be just him getting your attention. Which is ok considering the other alternatives they can do to try to get your attention.

He could sit and stare at you, which not all that bad, but it could also be considered as "challenging the alpha" and you being the alpha you don't want him to do that. Just as long as you return his stare he is the one who looks away first.

He could also nip/bite at you to get your attention. Which all together is something you want to avoid.

He could bark, which of course is not always wanted.

So out of all those things I think the nosing is the less of all the evils, just don't let him do that to you too often.

Best of luck though!
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