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Old September 7th, 2007, 09:37 PM
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Dog nose bleed - Answered by Dr. Lee

My ten year old Siberian Husky has been having nose bleeds from his right nostril for a few weeks off and on. We took him in to the vet at the beginning and the ex-rays didn't reveal anything suspicious, and the blood work didn't show an elevation suggesting an infection, and we got antibiotics.

We thought they were slowly getting better. Well, a week later he had a bad bleed. The were some pools of blood on the carpet, splattering all over the flood and wall, and mixed in were several blood clots. I rushed him to the vet, and they did another ex-ray and blood work, nothing. But, our vet gave us a different antibiotic, and a steroid for inflammation. She thought he possibly sniffed something up and it got stuck in his nose. We went 11 days, and this Thursday he had two small nose bleeds.

Our vet is at a loss. He has no other obvious systems, heís eating normally, happy, thrilled when someone comes over to visit, and still a great temperament with our kids.

Any ideas, or anyone else go through this????
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Old September 8th, 2007, 10:06 AM
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If he has a sticker from a foxtail or a burr up his nose it may take a looooong time to work it's way out and may even require surgical removal.

My homeopathic reference indicates Silicon Dioxide (Silicea 6C) can be tried but you had best discuss it's use with your Vet and a homeopath.
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Old September 10th, 2007, 09:53 PM
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Thanks,
I will talk to my vet about this, hopefully my pup will feel better soon.
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Old September 11th, 2007, 12:19 AM
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Did the blood work include an Activated Clotting Time (ACT) or other clotting profiles?

Causes of Nasal Bleeding
Sinus
Foreign bodies - such as foxtails, often with secondary infections
Fungal Infections
Tumors
Benign masses such as polyps
Bleeding disorders
Liver disease
Low platelets
Platelet dysfunction
Rodenticide poisoning
Other coagulation diseases

Common Diagnostics
General blood and urine testing
X-Rays (radiographs)
Coagulation blood tests
Fungal Blood Tests
Rhinoscopy and possible biopsy.


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Old September 21st, 2007, 09:25 PM
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Update on my pup

I just wanted to post an update on our pup. I was convinced that my boy had sniffed up some rabbit poop heís been obsessing about in our backyard, but it still bothered me that his nose was still dripping very small amounts of blood. I called my vet again, and she suggested taking him to the referral center in the next town.
This week they did a 3-D x-ray (this just x-rays the upper part of his mouth), a nose flush (to help remove any possible foreign bodies), and a Rhinoscopy with a biopsy. Well, today we got the horrible gut wrenching news, cancer. I will try to spell the name of the cancer, adenosqamous carcinoma.
Has anyone else had a dog with this cancer? I want to know all I can about this monster, and has anyone beaten this after it has past the beginning stages?

Also thank you Dr. Lee and mummummum for your input, it means alot.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 09:35 PM
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I have had a cat who had sinus cancer. Have you talked to your vet about the prognosis? Sadly he did not survive it, think it started in his kidneys though so he had other problems before the sinus cancer.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Hi I just read your story about your dog and the nose bleeds. I am so sorry for your loss. I found your story because I googled "dogs with nose bleeds" and found your story. My 15 year old Cocker spaniel/shelty mix has had the same symptoms as yours. We've done the blood work and everything came back fine. The next suggestion is the rhinoscope, however my husband and I are very hesitant as she is old and what if it doesn't work also it is very expensive. I am curious to know if your dog would sneeze a lot? Our sneezes so hard she hits her head on the floor and just yesterday she sneezed out a massive piece of something, it literally looked like the inside of her nose.
Any help is greatly appreciated. She is a big part of our family and we do lover her dearly.
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Old November 25th, 2007, 09:20 PM
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Hi puppypwr, i just had to respond to you. i no exactly what your going through. I had a 4 yr. old female rottie, one day her nose started to bleed, then it went away for about a month. then it came back so my husband took her to the vet, and he went in looking for a foxtail or foreign object, which nothing was to be found, he put some kind of medicine in her nose, and the bleeding stopped for a couple of weeks. then it returned and i called the vet and he told us she would have to go in for a biopsy through the nose. so we went to the specialist and that day that we took her in she was bleeding so bad, could not get the nose bleed to stop at all. the dr. did the biopsy 2 days later we got the bad news that she had squamous carcinoma. we where devasted, and so upset. we where sent to the cancer dr. and where told the exact samething as you where told. but she was having such a problem breathing and sleeping. we put her on the pills for pain from cancer but that did not stop the bleeding. about a month after we could not take it anymore. she was suffering you could see it in her beautiful face. we had to let her go back home, and be free of pain and suffering. this happened 3 yrs. ago this past oct. the pain of course still hurts. me and my husband still talk about our little girl.her name was byonka. i still have her mom and brother. just had to let you no i understand what your going through. its very tuff. but i do no she is waiting for me on the other side and free of any pain and suffering. you take care.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 12:49 AM
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Can't stop the bleeding and fear the worse

Hi all, I have been searching the internet for answers to my dogs problem. When I read this thread I started to cry. I think my dog has the same problem, but by the sounds of what you are all describing, I fear the worse for my poor dog.
She is a 12yr old Cross Yorkie/Maltese.
She started sneezing a lot every morning about 6-8months ago,no blood just a lot of sneezing.
About 3-4 months ago I came home to a blood bath, it looked as though my 2 dogs had torn each other apart. Blood on the walls, furniture splatters etc just as you all described. I couldnt figure out where it came from until a month later when I saw her sneeze up blood, splattering it all over. I called the vet and they said it was probably a reaction to a nasal vacine that she had recieved recently.
From then it would happend periodically, the bleeding would start and then stop. this was alarming but according to my vet was nothing to worry about.
This last weekend was the worse. I came home to the biggest blood bath you can imagine, on the walls, bed, couch and all over the dog. I immedidately called my vet and he said just put an icepack and bring her in on monday. Well it happened again that evening and 2 more times before monday. then again on monday morning before I took her to the vet.
The vet did the blood tests and all was normal except for the high calcium count which I knew about from previous tests.
He gave her a vitamin K shot and said it should help the clotting. well it didn't, that evening the same thing,and each time it would a worse spill and take longer to stop.
Today I came in to find my bed looking like someone had given birth on it. There was so much blood. I called the vet and he has scheduled a nasal scope for tomorow, its still bleeding on and off now. I asked him if she could bleed out from the nose, and he said no. From the quantity of blood that comes out I tend to disagree.
I think she will be ok for the evening I hope.
However from reading all your posts, I am feeling very dispondent about her chances? Is it allways cancer?
Has anyone here been thru this condition and actually managed to save thier dog?
I suppose I am hoping that I am that one case that gets to keep his dog?

Its breaking my heart to read how you all had to stand by and watch your beloved pet pass. Each time I get to the part where puppypwr states "That evening we took him to the vet, and held him tight until after he took his last breath.
" I just cant read on, I have to stand up and walk away or I will just cry all night. I'm a grown man and I feel like I am loosing my child!

I just hope and pray that she will not bleed any more tonite and that the scope tomorow morning will be against all odds and tell me that there is just a bug stuck up there.

thanks for listening and if you have any advice I would greatly appreciate it. especially tips on how to stop the bleeding.

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Old January 19th, 2008, 05:54 PM
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I'm a grown man and I feel like I am loosing my child!

I just hope and pray that she will not bleed any more tonite and that the scope tomorow morning will be against all odds and tell me that there is just a bug stuck up there.
KiChien I don't have any suggestions for you but this is so sad. You are so right though; our pets are our babies.
Please let us know what you find out from the scope.
Hoping for the best outcome
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Old January 19th, 2008, 11:02 PM
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KiChien,
Your story sounds painfully familiar. I do hope that your story will end very differently than ours did. Please let us know how the scope turns out.

I want you to know that you are in our prayers.
We wish you the best.

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Old January 20th, 2008, 06:24 AM
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Thanks everyone

Thanks for your thoughts and prayers. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate this group.
I have posted an update on another thread, not sure if you guys have seen it, It was called "she has nose bleed like pupyvr" , I thought I was on the wrong thread, excuse me for being a newbie too, dont really know the site that well yet either.

Anyway, today shes actually doing really well.
It seems somehow the scope help stop the bleeding for now at least.

As soon as I get the results I will send out notification. I really want other people to learn about these things. I would also like to find out exactly how a dog actually gets these kinds of sicknesses? I had never heard of things like this till I have to deal with it.

Did anyone get an explaination from thier vet, where it came from? is it genetic? or something they could have eaten? or perhaps lead in thier toys?

Just searching for answers, because I cannot imagine what our pets have done to deserve being sick this way?

Puppypwr, did you ever get another dog? I think this one will be my last, I can't deal with the heart ache, and cannot imagine trying to replace her if she dies. I do have one other dog, but I am just looking after it for my mom while she is away for a year, but other than that I just dont want to have the heartache of lossing another pet.

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Old September 24th, 2008, 08:46 PM
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Will she live? I am worried sick

I have a 13 year old mutt who's been with me for only 9 months. She started her nose bleed two nights ago and I thought they filmed CSI at my place without telling me. There were blood splatters all over the place, I more or less hoped that it'd stop but this morning it got worse. Because of typhoon we weren't able to go and see the vet. I am worried sick and I feel so bad because she's had a very hard life. She's been living on a construction site for god knows how long and she came home with me in Dec 2007. I hope that God will give her several good years before taking her back. Please pray for us.

Taken when she first came home, very shy but sweet.
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Old June 20th, 2008, 11:40 AM
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My ten year old Siberian Husky has been having nose bleeds from his right nostril for a few weeks off and on.
Sorry for not going through all the post that came after the initial one, but I was thinking of Aspergillosis. Have you guys ruled that out ?
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Old June 20th, 2008, 11:49 AM
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Most of the dogs in this thread were, sadly, diagnosed or have succumbed to nasal cancer, Sabine. :sad: Good thought, though. There are a number of things other than cancer that can cause nosebleeds.
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Hi,
I have a dog and his name is Dopey. Im not too sure how old is he as it was given to me by my mother's friend, since then i've had him for 9 years going to be 10 years in January. 2years ago my dogs started breathing heavily and wheezing. I took him to the vet and he said he had chronic asthma, my dog also had his teeth cleaned and 2 teeth pulled out. Since then he was on medication which the vet prescribed (some streroid medicine's name starts with a P). His appetite improved so much he is actually over weight now.
About 6 months ago he was limping, i took him to the vet and he told me that he has dislocated his foot and advised me to get him calcium tablets.
I only started feeding it to him recently about 3 weeks ago as i was trying to find the right one.
2 days ago, when he sneezed i noticed some bllod on the floor. not too much about the size of a small grape.
Could the calcium supplement have caused this? could the heat have caused this? for the past two days he has been himself and no bleeding form his nose.i consulted a new vet and told me that he might have heartworm.
If a blood test is done, will i know if he has nasal cancer?or will my dog still have to go thru a biopsy.Please advice.I'm scared.
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Old August 19th, 2008, 09:12 AM
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Welcome, dopey.

In this case, the bleeding could well be a result of long term steroid use. Was it prednisone (or it's active form prednisolone) that Dopey is taking? Two years on steroids is a very long time and you should maybe talk to your vet about weaning him off and trying a different medication.

Prednisone can cause weight gain, osteoporosis, easy bruising, and endocrine problems when used long term. It could be that the blood vessels in the nose have become weak and the sneezing caused them to break.

Nasal cancer is, unfortunately, very hard to diagnose unless a biopsy can be obtained. However, at this point, I'd be more suspicious of side effects from the steroids than nasal cancer.

Good luck dopey. Please keep us posted.
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Old August 20th, 2008, 01:01 PM
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Thank you so much for your reply HazelrunPack. Yes, that is the name of the medicine. I've spoken to a few vets but they would still suggest the same medicine. I would like to ask if there are any other type of medicine, other that the steroid?
I was very happy at first as his appetite increased because he was such a picky eater and would only eat after he gets his walk and also with us standing beside him praising him as he eats. Now i am very worried about his weight, when i shower him he would just lean on me or sit down as his legs can't support him. Nowadays he only goes for his walks after he gets his dinner.
Could the wheezing be caused by heartworm as one of the vet told me that but she said a blood test would have to be done to be sure.
I tried posting a picture of my dog but can't seem to do it. Either the picture's size was too big or there is a problem with the loading. Will try and post it the next time.
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Unfortunately, I have very little experience with asthma in dogs, so I'm not sure what is available for treatments other than the steroids. You might want to start a new thread in the health forum and mention in the title something about treatments for asthma in dogs. There is a vet that posts here now and then and is very helpful...name is Dr. Lee. You might try PMing him for advice as well...though I'm not sure how often he signs on.

The wheezing could be caused by heartworm--and a blood test would be needed, but it's a fairly inexpensive and easy thing to do. If you suspect heartworm at all, you should have the test done ASAP since heartworm can be fatal if left untreated. Has Dopey been on heartworm preventives at all or are you in an area where it isn't too prevalent?

As for pictures, they have to be less than 100KB in size if you're uploading them from your computer. Do you need help in cutting them down to size?
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 01:42 AM
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Hello Hazelrunpack,
He did not get any heartworm preventives and i am very prevalent with tis area. I only dewormed him about a month agao. For his tummy i think. I think I will ask my sister to take me and Dopey to the vet to get his blood checked. If he is really diagnosed with heartworm, how long can he usually last if left untreated because i wasted this 2 years, as the vet told me he has chronic asthma. But the wheezing did stop after the medication started.
Can you please teach me how do i start a new thread? and also can you help me cut the pic into a smaller size?
Thnak you so much for your help. It's so nice when i got somebody to talk to who loves dogs and cats.

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Palliative Care

Hello Everyone,

I am new to this thread. My dog, Willy was diagnosed with nasal carcinoma the end of June. I've had two bleeds but since I starated to make all his food grain free and treat him holistically he's been doing well. Lately, aat night he starts to choke and has trouble getting his breath. This wakens me and I spend a lot of time trying to comfort him in the middle of the night. Has anyone else experienced this?

I feel I need to make a plan for palliative care. Has anyone done this?

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Old October 23rd, 2008, 10:06 PM
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I am new to this thread. My dog, Willy was diagnosed with nasal carcinoma the end of June. I've had two bleeds but since I starated to make all his food grain free and treat him holistically he's been doing well. Lately, aat night he starts to choke and has trouble getting his breath. This wakens me and I spend a lot of time trying to comfort him in the middle of the night. Has anyone else experienced this?

I feel I need to make a plan for palliative care. Has anyone done this?

Thanks for listening.

Andrea
Hi, Andrea. Sorry you're going through this.

Is Willy lying somehow differently at night than when he sleeps during the day?

We had a dog with a different type of cancer--a hemangiosarcoma. The discomfort he felt from it when it hit his lungs was well-controlled with Rimadyl, which was the newest NSAID available at the time. Have you talked to your vet about pain management for Willy? There are a number of newer NSAIDs (Etogesic, Deramaxx, etc...) and other pain meds available now. If Willy is uncomfortable, they may offer him some relief.

Best of luck with Willy, Andrea. I know I don't have to tell you to spoil him rotten. He sounds like he's in loving hands.

Please keep us posted.
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Old October 29th, 2008, 05:07 PM
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Another update on my dog. She has a lot of discharge out of her right nostril, she'll get a bloody nose here and there, and is starting to get a bump on the top of her nose. But most importantly, nine months after being diagnosed with a nasal tumor...she's still with me. I never thought she would make it this long.

I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite.

From morning to night she's two different dogs. Every morning she looks like this is it....then by late afternoon she's back to being a little rascal. The only problem I have is trying to get her to eat mid-morning to give her the pill. Right now, the best thing working for her is mashed potatoes with cheese!!

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An exciting and simple treatment of cancer is the class of drugs previously known as NSAIDís but now more commonly referred to as COX-1 and COX-2 inhibitors. Nearly any NSAID has the ability to benefit any cancer patient through immune modulatory, pro-apoptotic, and anti-angiogenic effects, not to mention pain control. These drugs also act through suppression of cyclo-oxygenase (COX) 2. Many tumors, predominately carcinomas, have upregulated COX-2 and blocking the enzyme can help with tumor control. Piroxicam has been the drug most researched clinically, but theoretically any of the newer NSAIDís with greater specificity for COX-2 could give equal or better effects. Never underestimate the power of these drugs. The use of COX-2 inhibitors is one of the hottest areas of cancer research going at the moment and the whole thing started with an accidental discovery in dogs.

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Old October 29th, 2008, 05:45 PM
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"I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite."


Sabran - Alas, your advice was 6 months too late for my sweet little dog but I'm so glad that had it's working for your baby.

Keep us updated! Hugs to you and your "rascal."
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Old November 1st, 2008, 07:39 AM
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"I highly recommend giving a dog diagnosed with a nasal tumor NSAID. Mine takes deramaxx. As my vet says, there are studies that show NSAID might slow the progession of the tumor and/or shrink it. If it doesn't do either, the one thing it does do is give the dog pain relief and an appetite."


Sabran - Alas, your advice was 6 months too late for my sweet little dog but I'm so glad that had it's working for your baby.

Keep us updated! Hugs to you and your "rascal."
Sorry I couldn't help you. But maybe somewhere along the line..this information will help someone. The internet has become a great tool for health..both in human and animals.

Back in May I posted the story on this thread about the roller coaster ride I went through with her. It's been a very stressful journey of not knowing what was next. All the vet will say is..she'll have nose bleeds and one day they won't stop. Also, there come a time when the deramaxx will stop working. In the beginning every nose bleed I thought was the big one. Every morning I thought she wasn't going to make it through the day.

Because of the longevity of her illness, I've become less anxious in dealing with the her problems. Like a person at the end of the life...I want her to enjoy the time she has left. It's hard...knowing that this will eventually do her in. I've learned not to focus so much on the end and enjoy the time she's still with me.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 11:55 PM
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I went on the internet to find a reason for my kittens symptoms, and found this forum. Let me tell you first of all, you are all such kind and heart warming people, I sat in from of my laptop and was just breath taken by your stories and advice for each other, it was amazing to find so many people coming together and helping one another. my heart goes out to all of you.

My reason for searching was last night i found an ad on the internet for kittens who needed homs in my town and responded. I have a kitten (Jangkins) who i thought may enjoy a friend. I got a quick response from this kitten woman stating they were still available and where she could drop one off for me. She came by this morning with our families new member (Cypora), who looked to be quite healthy from the look of her. After spending some time with her i realized she has worms... i left the room to put a load of laundry in and when i came back her eye was dripping, i quickly washed it with a warm cloth and left to get worm meds for her. When i returned i found her laying on our living room chair with a nose bleed.

After cleaning her and giving her a nice bath, she was back to normal and playing about as kittens do. Until an hour later i heard her crying, I found her in a corner crying and trying to pass her stool. I tried to get her to the litter box in time but on our way she went, which is fine I dont mind cleaning after her under the circumstances, but her stool was covered in blood.

All in all I'm not sure what to say she has but am so afraid to take my wee one to the vet, and am dreading monday. After just a few hours with Cypora, i cant stand to think of our home without her. But am also very wrried about my other wee one Jangkins, as i dont know if she may get whatever this may be. Please, any help is appreciated and definately welcomed. My son and I dont want to let our little ones go.

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Old November 23rd, 2008, 12:17 AM
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Definitely get them to the vet as soon as you can! I don't know much about kittens, but I do know that worms are very treatable with the proper meds. Over the counter stuff is usually not strong enough to fix the problem, and some worms require specific medicine. So taking the new little one in to the vet for a definite diagnosis is the way to go! The vet may also recommend that Jangkins be treated, too.

The bloody stool may just be from worms, but there may be other causes to look into as well.

Is Cypora eating and drinking normally?

If you want to get more advice, you might want to start a thread in the Cat Health Forum with a descriptive title. More members will see it there--especially members who have experience with cats.

Good luck with your kitties! Don't be afraid to take your little newbie to the vet--the sooner she gets proper meds, the easier it'll be on all of you!

And welcome to the board.
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Old March 10th, 2009, 12:58 PM
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so sad today

I just found out my old pal Junior has a nasal tumor. After reading all of your
sad accounts of this same affliction I have nearly used a full box of kleenex. Junior's nose started bleeding on March 6, just dripping and he was sneezing alot with some blood splattering. It went away after 24 hours and today he started again, same symptoms, I took him to my Vet and he thought it was probably a tumor. I am not going to put Junior through a scope and biopsy as I have read all of your stories. Also Junior just had a full dental and labs just 2 weeks ago, he has no other symptoms. I am afraid to go anywhere and leave him alone for fear he will be in distress and die alone. He is a nearly 14 year old Bassett. We couldn't ask for a more loyal or loveable friend. I am already missing him and haven't had to make the decision yet!
Junior has been through so much, he had vestibular syndrome in Sept. 07, and hasn't been able to take walks or use stairs for two years since he developed degerative disc and hip disease. We have ramps all around our house to accomodate him and carry his funny shaped body of 50 pounds as needed too! I'll stay posted to see if anyone has advise for me.
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Old March 10th, 2009, 01:54 PM
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forgot to ask

My Vet put Junior on Vitamin K to help stop the bleeding. Has anyone heard or tried this? He already takes Rimadyl for arthritis, and I don't think it would be safe to put him on another anti-inflammatory? thanks
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Old March 10th, 2009, 02:34 PM
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I'm sorry you and Junior are going through this, juniorlover.

I hadn't thought of Vitamin K supplements to help this sort of bleeding. Please let us know how it works.

Occasionally a dog will get a grass awn stuck in their nasal passage that works into the tissue and causes bleeding. Sometimes the awn can be flushed out during a rhinoscopy. If there's a possibility that this might be Junior's problem, you might want to discuss the possibility with your vet.

Most of the NSAIDs, like Rimadyl, can affect bleeding, so if he's tolerating the Rimadyl well, I wouldn't change it. Also, I think Rimadyl has about a week wash-out time before it might be safe to put him on another type of NSAID without risking gastric upset/bleeding.

Cool compresses might help stem the bleeding a bit. Also, if your air is very dry, a humidifier might soothe Junior's nasal passages.

Best wishes, juniorlover. Let us know how it goes, and remember to appreciate every precious moment you share with Junior!
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