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Old August 19th, 2005, 09:41 AM
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Looking for a Reputable breeder.

Many of us on here know what to look for in a Reputable Breeder.But I just wanted to try and educate those who don't.

Reputable Breeders Show/Title their dogs.When I say Title,this could be in SchH,Herding,Agility,Flyball,Pointing,Retrieving.T his all depends on the breed.Showing their dogs to Champion means that they are of breed standard.

They also have thier dogs health and genetic tested/certified.This means OFA,OVC(Hips,Elbows)CERF'D(eyes,done by an Optomoligist)Heart(done by a Cardiologist)Thyroid.If their Dam does not pass any of the tests,they will not breed them.

They can tell you everything about the Dam and Sires Pedigree,and will supply you with Pedigree Papers.

They are registered Kennel.And registered with the Kennel Club.This could be the CKC(Canadian Kennel Club)or AKC.And are with good standing.

They belong to number of clubs for their breed.Be it National or Regional.

They will put you on a waiting list.This is done before the breeding takes place.They screen you and ask you a TON of questions.They will not give up their pups to any Joe Blow.They care where their pups are going.

They have written contracts.This is either a Non Breeding contract or a S/N contract.They will take back a pup they sold.

They will be there for you to answer any questions you have.Be it training,grooming,showing(if that's what you want to do)and also with any of the sporting trials you want to put your dog in.

They will gladly allow you to come check out their home.And once the pups are born,they encourage you to come and visit them.

They want to keep in contact with the new owner.And know how the pup/dog is doing.This even means 5,10 even 15 years down the road.

They breed to better the breed.They are not in it for the money.

They do not breed more than twice a year.And they do not breed their Dams under the age of 2.

They show passion and love for their dogs.And tremendous knowledge of their breed.And are very experienced.


They do NOT place ads in the newspaper or even under classified ads on the net.No reputable breeder does this.

I'm sure I have forgotten something.But this,in a nutshell is what a Reputable Breeder is.And this is know.I have dealt with an amazing breeder,whom I got my first GSD from at the age of 17.And when I lost him at 13,I got 2 more from her.Even though she is not showing/breeding(due to Cancer)I still keep in contact with her,and have that special bond with her.And I do visit her when I can.Her dogs were Champions and Titled in SCH III.And my current GSD made it as a K9 Police Dog.

So if anyone is wanting to seek out a Reputable breeder,PLEASE do your research.And keep what I have posted about them in mind.This is what you should be looking for.
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Old August 19th, 2005, 09:54 AM
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Mona, that is great, you covered most of it. They also offer a written guarantee for a year or two guaranteeing that their pups are free from genetic disorders and will take the pup back should any develop within the time guaranteed. They also write into their contracts that should the new owner ever have to give up their pup, the breeder is the first to know and is the first to have the option to take the dog back, even 10 years down the road.

The puppies are always vet checked, dewormed, microchipped and/or tattoed and already have had a series of shots. They are never released to a home prior to 8 weeks, some will only release them when they are 12 weeks old.
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Old August 19th, 2005, 10:08 AM
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Thank you Beaglemom,I knew I was forgetting a few things...

Lack of sleep is taking a toll on my brain.....LOL
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Old August 19th, 2005, 10:24 AM
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Your welcome. You did get all the main things.
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Old August 19th, 2005, 10:31 AM
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So then that means half my brain is still working.....
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Old August 19th, 2005, 10:39 AM
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Looks like a pretty darn good Sticky to me!
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Old August 19th, 2005, 05:42 PM
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That was a great post MonaB. As we all know it is way easier to find bad breeders and byb and mills but you have to really do your research to find a good breeder. A reputable breeder will be happy to let you speak to people who have purchased dogs from them. As soon as they say no run far and fast
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:26 PM
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Thank you.

And thank you White Wolf.

mastifflover,you are so right.It is way to easy to find bad breeders and BYB's.

This is why I needed to have this info posted on here.
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Old October 2nd, 2005, 12:25 PM
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Red face Reputable Breeders

That's Great! I agree with everything that you have said with the exception of advertising in newspapers and online. . . I know that one of the number one German Shepherd breeders in Canada often advertises online or in her local newspaper when she has a litter available. How else are you supposed to find homes for puppies, especially if you would like to keep them local? Not everyone has access to the internet. . . So I think that Reputable breeders do advertise sometimes! But other than that everything that you have said I think is great and should help puppy buyers choose the right breeder.

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Old October 2nd, 2005, 12:27 PM
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You're supposed to sell ALL the puppies BEFORE the litter is born. Most good breeders have waiting lists and have no need to advertise at all.
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Old October 2nd, 2005, 12:32 PM
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I agree, most of the time breeders do have lists of people waiting for puppies, however in some cases and quite often lists can fall through and it is often tiring trying to figure out and investigate potential puppy owners via the web. I personally have not advertised puppies in a local newspaper in quite sometime, but in the same sence I can see myself doing it in the future if I have a dog/puppy that I would like to place. I like the idea of having my puppies local, where I can keep an eye on things, check out the potential buyers home, visit with the puppy as she/he matures, talk to the owner in person, see how the dog is with his owner and make sure that the owner has fufilled the contract that I give, etc, and there is NOTHING unreputable about that!
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Old October 2nd, 2005, 12:37 PM
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The lists are not limited to one litter. Waiting lists can be very long, thus never fall through. If you have good puppies, you will not have to advertise.

And I know one breeder who sends representatives of her breed's club to your home to do checks if they can't go themselves.

As for advertising in the paper- a lot of the dogs in the paper end up in labs. The target audience is so broad for a newspaper. It's just a bad idea. People are very equipped to get by regular folks' screening processes. Be careful.
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Old October 2nd, 2005, 12:46 PM
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I definately agree with most of your points! I only breed about one litter every one to two years with my puppies and I have had very long waiting lists, but often when I finally have a litter on the ground, I find that people got too anxious from waiting, circumstances changed,finaces,etc,etc, furthermore I like to meet my owners in person, not have someone else do the meeting for me. I like to trust my natural instincts when I meet someone and you just can't do that via the web. . . But I do agree that newspapers are often not the best way to sell your puppies, most of my puppy owners have found me on breeder lists on the web, pet sites, etc, but I guess that is probably wrong too?
I definately consider myself a reputable breeder since I promote spay & neuter, have all Champion/Schutzhund/Obediance titled dogs with hip,elbow,spinal X-rays and very strict contracts, attend shows, title my own dogs, and I have found wonderful owners for my puppies via the web or locally through a newspaper. I don't like to keep lists any longer unless I know I am expecting a litter, because frankly I just don't breed that much to have a long ongoing list.
I just don't know how you expect people to get a running list in the first place. . . Please explain how you can do this. . . I would love the info.

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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:25 AM
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Do you know what's the diference between a breeder and a "creator" dogs?

When talking with a breeder about their puppies, there are some signs that can alert you. ESCAPE TO A SEVEN FEET:

The "creator" has no knowledge about the race that creates;
If you ignore or deny the existence of genetic diseases in this race, "No, my dogs have hip dysplasia!" ;
If not let you visit the kennels and see the puppies and adults;
If animals have not LOP (but are pure !!");
If dogs are not socialized;
The "breeder" is willing to let out the dog under 8 weeks;
The "creator" creates several races;
The "creator" is not interested in knowing your lifestyle or what conditions the animal has to offer, do not you put questions;

AN ETHICAL BREEDER:

Do not put dogs in stores or on Web sites advertising all races (and some of whom nobody ever heard of);
"Choose" the buyer of his dogs and the dog will not sell if you believe that the dog will not be in good hands. Soon demand meet and ask questions to the buyer;
Do not allow your dogs going to new homes with less than 8 weeks old;
The puppies come with first vaccination, dewormed and possibly already chipped;
Creates one or two races just for the love of it and improve it and get good copies. There is another reason to make creation of purebred dogs.
Makes tests to their breeding lines of trying to eliminate genetic diseases common in the breed cause;
It makes a lot of litters, as opposed plans to make few and each of them;
Attempts to educate potential owners for the good and bad of the breed they have;
Is available to advise and guide the new owner;
It is available to re-accommodate any dog ​​of their offspring if the owners were not able to keep;
Plays only examples of good temper;
Does not depend on keeping dogs for a living, have other sources of income.

While the terrible creator (forgive me, I haven't take atention when I was translating)

Creates with a purpose: to sell;
It does not seek to choose the houses where the dogs go, the first to pay is served;
It has multiple broods;
Plays both young and old dogs too, not selected, it crosses what is usually bad copies of both temperament and conformation to the breed standard;
Do not do any testing with genetic diseases;
Sell ​​animals without LOP, so without any guarantee of lineage.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 03:10 PM
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Great list and discussion, to which I would just like to add a couple of things.

When it boils right down to it for me, as to what separates a reputable breeder vs. everyone else (whether mill, BYB, or registered breeder who passes on pedigree papers but "on paper" only) is responsibility; responsibility not only when it comes to the betterment of the breed and all that that means, but also responsibility when it comes to each and all of the pups and kitties ("charges") that they breed, I agree, and to which I'll add that the Club to which they belong is itself responsible, meaning: the Club itself has and/or is connected to a separate rescue "wing", an independent non-profit, being dedicated to finding and placing animal members of the particular breed for which it speaks, and educating the public when it comes to the good, the bad and everything in between as it pertains to that particular breed as well.

Such eductation would include (and always) the general need to spay/neuter and thus further hammering home the (contractual) need for same, and which responsible breeders and responsible buyers agree upon in their contract in first place (and actually follow through on same). In turn, coming full circle so as to provide a true network of support for all concerned, including: individual breeders themselves so as to have among other things assistance in the event one (or more) of their charges are returned for whatever reason by the owner(s) due to a change in circumstances such as illness or death of the owner, divorce or whatever the case during the life of the animal, as well as support in terms of ongoing education and so forth when it comes to training and other advice (including resources and referrals) as may be helpful to buyers and interested members of the public as well; this, so as to maybe actually help owners keep and enjoy the companionship of their pet for-life, instead of relinquishng same (where circumstances warrant, sometimes pets are far, far better off being relinquished and placed in a new home, if you catch my meaning, but hardly is this true in all cases, or at all).

As to getting a young pup or kitten spayed or neutered, this is controversial, and it is best the animal not be spayed/neutered when it is too young and still growing, arguably needing its hormones, etc. in tact for proper growth and development. Yes, shelters and some rescues insist upon early spay/neuter to "guarantee" that it's done, saying that the benefit (reducing pet over-population) outweights the risk (health and growth of the animal, etc.), but not something I personally support or believe in (unless and until there is conclusive evidence that early spay/neuter results in no harm, as in none, which simply is not yet the case, and why it's controversial). Rather, responsible breeders and rescues will (or should) insist upon a deposit, which varies but typically around $200, which is refunded to the buyer/adopter on proof by means of a vet certification of spay/neuter when the animal has come of age (around 6 months of age, give or take depending on the breed and its actual development needs), it also being a good idea for breeders/rescues to send out to the buyer/adopter "helpful reminders" and further follow-up on as well.

Finally, as to rescued animals, the vast majority of which have been relinquished (dumped) by no fault of their own, and are great pets. The chief reason why so many great adoptable pets wind up in rescue is because a buyer (some human) didn't bother to do any research on the breed in which they were interested prior to purchasing same, and the concept of picking up a phone and hiring a trainer or other such assistance is foreign to them and/or, and quite simply, didn't bother to spay/neuter! Luckily, there are reputable rescues (as well as reputable clubs connected with a rescue arm if you will, thus responsible breeders in turn), as well as responsible members of the public. Many people actually are quite happy to avoid the "crazy" puppy/kitten phase altogether, and also find rescue/adoption of a perfectly adoptable pet animal from a responsible shelter or rescue to be incredibly rewarding all-around as well (and please note: responsible shelters and rescues only place adoptable pets, and only then in deserving homes .

Then, if everyone in the whole and entire chain was responsible, I will actually risk going out on a limb here to say we wouldn't have a pet over-population problem in turn, and in such a world pedigree papers would mean all that they should and then some. What a great world would that be, I agree, and a great list to help us all get there all-around as well!

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Old June 25th, 2006, 05:06 PM
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In regards to the dogs being "Titled and shown", I think exceptions should be made to breeders whos dogs are not necessarily titled but are actually working dogs. How do others view dogs that are working rather than titled??
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Old June 25th, 2006, 09:38 PM
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There are working titles too, aren't there?
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Yes there are. I would want both parents field titled if they aren't being shown.
Depending upon breed..
Schutzhund
Herding titles
Field trials - AKC, CKC
Go To Ground/Terrier Trials/Tests
Coursing titles
Hunt Test Titles

There is no excuse to be breeding working dogs that aren't excelling at one of the above, lot of times it's more than one, including agility, flyball etc, but even mixed breeds dogs excel at other things. Only a well bred dog will bring home field titles. Weeds out the mediocre ones like the show ring does..
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Old June 25th, 2006, 10:57 PM
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They are working as FBI bomb detection and drug detection dogs... So I am sure they are titled in some way, But I think that is different from what you mean.. not sure
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Old June 26th, 2006, 06:59 AM
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The only thing I slightly disagree with is this:
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that their pups are free from genetic disorders and will take the pup back should any develop within the time guaranteed
This can be slightly misleading, and provides breeders with a way to sound responsible without having to fulfill their duty. Many buyers will not return a puppy that they have bonded with, when puppy is diagnosed with a problem at 9 months or 2 years. Also, some breeders will take back a puppy and then euthanize it - and then claim "my lines have no genetic issues" - dead puppies tell no tales.

I would rather see a clause like this:
"If the puppy should ever develop a genetic defect that makes it unsuitable as a pet, a refund up to but not over the original purchase price will be provided. To receive refund the puppy MUST be spayed or neutered. Return of the puppy will not be required."

or this:
"Should this dog during the first 30 months of it's life, be diagnosed with a genetic related disease rendering the dog unfit for hunting, breeder agrees to FULLY refund OR replace the dog with another of equal purchase value. The dog does NOT have to be returned but breeder must be notified in writing within 30 days of DVM Diagnosis and proof of spay/neuter for this guarantee to be valid"
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