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Old May 25th, 2011, 03:30 AM
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he takes 1/4 tsp of honey a day for allergies. We were putting it in a syringe and injecting in his mouth, which he hated. He ended up vomitting several times afterward, to which I was done doing that to him.
Did you have the syringe tip at the side of his mouth just inside the teeth, slowly putting in a small bit at a time, stopping for him to swallow often?

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The Azodyl is very expensive, and so every time he won't eat the food, I waste a pretty penny.
The company that produces Azodyl, Vetoquinol, recommends to give it pilled whole as it is more effective this way, also you can then guarantee the cat will get the full dose.

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I've tried getting any kind of food that has gravy and then putting that on other foods. But there's only so many foods below 40% protein and 1% phosphorous that I can find. Any suggestions would be a great help!!!
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the vet said unfortunately we have to give him lower protein to not tax the kidneys and lower phosphorous levels.

When I look at the dry analysis of the wet foods you suggest, most of there's protein is well over 50% of the food and high phosphorous levels. So us Renal kitties are caught in a rock and a hard place. How do you give them good quality foods but with low protein and phosphorous?
Any food including the pate type can be made into gravy just by adding a teaspoon or two of warm water & mashing it up.

The focus needs to be more on low phosphorus levels rather than strictly low protein. As carnivores all cats need higher levels of meat protein, not filler corn or grain sources, when you restrict the amount of quality meat protein you are at risk of creating muscle wasting and the body leaching protein from the muscles as it's not getting enough from the food.

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http://www.felineoutreach.org/Education/Kidney.html
It was believed that low-protein diets might be beneficial for cats with CRF, but studies indicate that low protein diets actually elevate Creatinine levels and exacerbate the anemia and muscle wastage commonly secondary to renal issues. Feeding a diet containing a high quality protein can improve the quality of life for cats with CRF. High quality proteins are easily digestible proteins such as poultry or rabbit muscle and organ meat. Grains and grain glutens are not easily digestible, and it may be desirable to avoid them.
Phosphorus binders are an option that can be added to the food, it will not remove phos from the blood/body, just bind to the phos in the food to prevent it's absorption.

One of the most important things with regards to feeding a CRF cat is to get the cat to eat, if the cat won't eat a lower phos or lower protein food adjustments can be made to the treatments but the cat must eat. Too many CRF cats literally die of starvation, anorexia and the associated nutritional deficiencies.

Some good quality low phos canned food choices for you:

By Nature Organics Turkey & Turkey Liver, Chicken & Chicken Liver, Turkey & Chicken, Chicken & Mackerel, Beef & Beef Liver

Innova Flex Beef & Barley Stew
Evo 95% Chicken & Turkey

Felidae Platinum
Felidae Cat & Kitten
Felidae Grain Free

Merricks Before Grain 96% Beef
Merricks Before Grain 96% Turkey

Merricks Cowboy Cookout
Merricks Thanksgiving Day Dinner

Halo Spots Stew Wholesome Chicken
Halo Spots Stew Wholesome Turkey

Wellness Turkey, Chicken, Beef & Chicken, Beef & Salmon, Kitten, Wellness Core Chicken Turkey & Chicken Liver

Holistic Select Turkey & Barley
Holistic Select Duck & Chicken

Many more choices listed here http://www.felinecrf.org/canned_food...od_data_tables


Do you know how to do the formula to compare foods by dry matter analysis?

100-moisture (listed in nutrient analysis) = dry matter

phos(or protein or whatever you want to check)/dry matter=dm phos*100 (to return to percentage) = dm %

Example for Evo 95% Chicken & Turkey

Phosphorus level:
100-73.99=26.01

.23/26.01=0.0088*100= 0.88% dry matter phos


Protein level same food:
100-73.99=26.01

10.58/26.01=0.406*100= 40% dry matter protein
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