well after all my efforts, they still wouldnt come out by themselves, so i put my hand in, and george decided she wasnt having any of it, and bite through my finger nail, yes straight through. hurt like crazy!!
went doctors, sorted out my finger, but my mum went mad, saying she wont have aggressive rats in her house....etc...etc...so decided to ring the rspca who said they will have them for £5 after xmas
even though she bit me, im still sad