[tenderfoot]

I understand where you are coming from Lisa. But why are treats used if it is not treat training? I know clicker training is all the rage and many of our clients have tried that route but come to us because they didn't like using having to carry a clicker or use treats.
We have worked with tons of dogs who win blue ribbons in OB all of the time, but if you don't have your bit of liver they won't budge for you. So I don't consider them very well trainined and certainly not working for their person.
I understand that if clicker training is done properly then you should wean from the treats. But why even have a clicker? It is simply a replacement for your voice and touch - I don't see the need.
I think I might get in trouble here for thread jacking. sorry mods! I know we have all had this conversation before and don't need to rehash it. I just think that some people love to click & treat and thats great, but its certainly not for everyone. Just as our methods may not be for everyone.