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Coppperbelle, I understand what you are saying. You did touch on a very good point. Treats have to be phased out during training, otherwise you will end up with a dog that will only do what is asked when you have a treat, otherwise they will ignore you.
With my dogs, during the initial training phase I use treats as a reward along with praise. They are way more food motivated than anything else. I gradually replace the treat with just praise reward. I like to use treats every once in a while, not just to reward them for good behavior or for doing what is asked but just because I believe, just as people, they too like something different. My dogs are expected to listen because I have asked them to do something, not just because I have a treat.
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