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ilmagri May 9th, 2013 03:24 PM

Incontinent Border Collie
 
Hi,

I have a 16 month old border collie bitch which is incontinent. Local vets said that if there is the slightest chance that the problem could be fixed, the op is not done in Malta anyway. The medicine we give her daily helps but I would love a permanent solution. Love this dog with all my heart ... any suggestions?

Jull May 9th, 2013 03:55 PM

Have you tried a holistic vet??

There is a doctor in BC - Dr. Peter Dobias, who has a series of 3 articles about urinary incontinence in his website, worth the read ;)

[url]http://peterdobias.com/community/2013/04/surprising-discovery-about-urinary-incontinence-in-dogs-part-1/[/url]

Are you in Malta, Montana or Republic of Malta? :confused:

Dog Dancer May 9th, 2013 04:12 PM

Hello, is your dog spayed? Spay incontinence is not uncommon and can happen immediately after spaying or several years later. What medicine is your dog taking? Is it Stilbesterol? (not sure the spelling) It's a very good drug for incontinence, and while the dog will take it daily to start, generally the dosage is lowered and then removed until the drugs wear off and the incontinence starts up again and then you start the pills again.

ilmagri May 10th, 2013 04:32 AM

@ Jull ... I am in the Rep of Malta in Europe. Unfortunately there are no holistic vets here. Thank you for the link

ilmagri May 10th, 2013 04:36 AM

@Dog Dancer .. this happened before she was spayed. If she is resting or sleeping she leaves a wet patch (even though she's trained). She is taking Propalin syrup

Barkingdog May 10th, 2013 09:34 AM

[url]http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-urinary-incontinence-and-bladder-problems[/url]



I found this link about why dogs get incontinence

Dog Dancer May 10th, 2013 11:48 AM

incontinence while asleep is often an estrogen issue. I would ask the vet about Stilbesterol pills out of curiosity. They are very inexpensive. Good luck to you. My brother lives in Malta.

MaxaLisa May 11th, 2013 04:19 PM

What exactly do the vet say? I was under the impression that there is no surgical fix for spay incontinence? If this happened before the spay, then that, along with a possible surgery, points to something other than estrogen issue? Not sure that more can be said without further information.

I haven't read the above link, but anything from food allergies to phyical abnormalities in the vagine and bladder can cause incontinence. Cystitis from high urinary specific gravity - all sort of issues are possible.

ilmagri May 12th, 2013 02:51 PM

@BarkingDog ... thanks for the link

ilmagri May 12th, 2013 02:52 PM

@Dogdancer ... I'll surely mention Stibesterol to my vet. Regards to your bro and Thanks. I live in Fgura if u want to mention it to your brother :)

ilmagri May 12th, 2013 02:58 PM

@MaxaLisa .. Incontinence started before spaying. The vet did several basic tests, blood etc and all the results were OK. He said that there are other tests that can be done (ultra sound for ex.) but they will only serve to indicate the cause as the problem cannot be solved. We also got a second opinion from a second vet and she said there's nothing that can be done. I have all the respect for these people but can understand that there other vets who specialise in specific problems abroad and am trying to get some info over the net.

MaxaLisa May 12th, 2013 04:38 PM

I am concerned about the possible surgery?

My young dog had some anatomical issues, so they scoped her and found extra tissue in the vagina that they had to cut out.

Things like tick disease, and even leptosporois can affect the kidneys and maybe cause incontinence, as well as some underlying infections.

Has anything made it better?

ilmagri May 15th, 2013 01:44 PM

Propalin syrup seems to have reduced it but it is still very evident

MaxaLisa May 19th, 2013 03:14 AM

Sometimes a bladder irritant like a food allergy can affect this, or sugar, corn products, etc. Not sure if playing with the diet would help or not.

Fresh ground flaxseed can provide a plant based estrogen, which sometimes can help. Hylands has some homeopathic remedies called incontinence or Bedwetting, which might be available where you are, and might help.

There might be an underlying bacterial issue that the test aren't picking up? Some cranberry or d-mannose may or maay not be helful?

Just throwing out things to try and eliminate.

My girl had an extra band of tissue running along her vagina which caused urine to collect and caused some bladder problems - all sorts of weird problems are out there.


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