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skittles7 November 13th, 2011 06:40 PM

Need Help!
 
Just wondering if there is anyone in London, or knows anyone in London that owns a Catahula Leopard Dog??
I am struggling with how to keep control of my dog when we pass other dogs. He does not have an aggressive behavior its more of a crazy exciting behavior that I dont know how to control. If there is anyone else that had this problem and is not fixed I would like some advise! thanks

tenderfoot November 13th, 2011 10:29 PM

This is not about him being a Catahoula as much as it is about training and perhaps his age.
How old is he? How long have you had him? And how much training has he had? What does he know? And how good is he at doing these things at four levels?
1. Inside the house.
2. Outside your front door.
3. At distances away from you. 10 feet? 30 feet?
4. With distractions?

skittles7 November 14th, 2011 01:45 PM

We adopted him, we believe he is about 2. we have had him in our house for just over a year. He knows alot, he is actually very smart...probably out smarts us sometimes. Jake use to bark at dogs in the house, I have fixed that problem, outside the front door he is ok, at distances from me he is ok. comes when he is called. and with distractions its pretty much over. he is very intense and when it comes to other dogs there is no stopping him, even if I bring a distraction with me on walks such as treats. Everything you read about the catahula explains my dog!!
any more thoughts would be wonderful

tenderfoot November 14th, 2011 11:13 PM

It sounds like you have a good foundation to his training, but because he is so easily set off by other dogs you have more work to do, and because he is so bright you have to work even harder. Bright dogs can be a challenge because they are so highly aware of all of the subtleties in their world and are able to respond so quickly it seems he reacts without giving any warning at all.

The way we look at this is on a few levels.

First - the more you engage his mind throughout the day the better. It's like having a mischievous child in the house, you have to watch them and let them know you have an opinion about what they do. This causes them to become more thoughtful and less reactive. Every behavior he exhibits that you don't like comes from the reactive/impulsive/impatient/independent side of his brain. But when you start to engage his mind more then he begins to think and check in with you before he reacts. If your dog checks in with you first and you are ready with an answer then most of your problems will disappear. There is also a change in his brain chemistry. When he is in the reactive side of his brain there is a release of adrenaline which gets him more excited, but when he is in the thinking side of his brain he has a release of calming chemicals like Serotonin which calm him. So the more you engage his mind and he works with you out of relationship (not bribery or force) the calmer and less reactive dog he becomes.

Second - at the age of 2 he is striving to establish his place in the world. He is thinking that he is an adult and perhaps he can be in charge. Just like a teenager who thinks they know it all and don't need to listen to their parents anymore. Anything that is missing in his training or relationship with you gets magnified right now. You need to meet his challenges or this behavior will become his habit.

Third - you need to practice his skills at the four levels mentioned earlier. But know that there are levels within levels. You can have distances in the house. You can have distractions in the house. You can have distances and distractions at the same time. Like taking a child from elementary school to college there are grades within the levels of elementary, middle school, high school and college. But if you take a fourth grader and send her to college she will fail and it's not her fault. We asked too much of her and she wasn't ready for it. So perhaps having your dog around other dogs at this point in time is asking too much of him for his lack of impulse control. With proper training he can get there quickly (minutes not days) but he needs you to help him develop impulse control.

Impulse control means that you ask him to do something like a sit/stay and then toss something near him and he doesn't go for it. You begin with low level distractions and raise the bar to higher and higher levels and eventually be able to have dogs walk near him and not have him react. You should achieve success in minutes not days.

You will start to notice the subtle signals he gives when he is listening to you, when he is checking in with you and when he has accepted what you are asking. You will also notice the things he does when he is thinking about ignoring you. For instance when he is about to break a sit/stay he will lower his head a fraction - that is your opportunity to remind him what you are asking him. When he raises his head then he is accepting what you have asked for. When he sighs, he accepting what you are asking. If he lays down he is accepting it at a deeper level. When he kicks his hips off to one side he is accepting it at an even deeper level.

Before you get eye contact you will probably get an ear twitch. Ears are like radar, and you will start to notice that he will twitch an ear in your direction as if to ask "do you have an opinion about what I do next? Any advice?" If you don't answer that question he will think "well, you don't seem to care or have an opinion, so I will do what I want to". This can all happen in a flash, so you have to heighten your level of awareness and the timing of your reactions.

Because he is so bright you will benefit from expanding his vocabulary everyday. The more you work his mind the deeper your connection will become, the better he will be at listening and the faster he will respond to your requests.

There are also the obvious discussions on socialization and good manners in general. But to start he has to be able to control his mind and body from making the wrong choices and listening to you better than he does now.

This is not about finding better treats to distract him from other dogs, this is about YOU being an even better treat (your kind touch, your warm tone, your happy energy) because you are more interesting than other dogs.

Its also about practicing A LOT!!!! You don't get good at anything without practice. You don't show up for a competition and expect to win unless you have practiced a lot. It's not 'practice makes perfect'. It's PERFECT practice makes perfect. So you have work to do.

Please feel free to call if you need ideas and help.

skittles7 November 15th, 2011 07:24 PM

That was some great advise and some new thoughts from what other trainers have mentioned.
what are some things I can use to help me with impulse control?

067734m November 23rd, 2011 12:05 PM

I agree with Tenderfoot's teachings.
And all dogs are different.
For ours it's practice and exercise. Exercise is a biggie. If we've neglected to take our dog for a 30min run with us, or a long hike at least 2-3 times a week, she's a lot more difficult to handle.

Our dog gets riled up when we pass barking dogs behind fences. A 'treatment' I've found for this is to give your dog a command that they know really well (in our case, the "sit"). When we approach these 'hot spots', I keep her on a short least, with me in front (or between her and the 'offender'-hopefully so she knows that I'M the "protector", not her). When I can see her start getting riled up, I say the command, treat right away for positive response, then move on, ignoring the 'offender'. I find that this has helped her to keep her attention on me, and not loose her mind with the other dog. Sometimes it takes a couple 'sit' commands to be on our way. She started to remember this and has been a lot more responsive when we pass those 'hot spots'.

I was wondering if you could tailor this for face-to-face encounters? (Our girl isn't really bothered by the face-to-face encounters. And I guess that you'd have to have a command that you and your dog are VERY comfortable/good at (reference Tenderfoot's post). Hope that's helpful to you!

skittles7 December 5th, 2011 02:25 PM

that is definately something to try although my dog is so strong that I have a hard time coming between the 2 dogs
do you have a catahoula???

millitntanimist December 10th, 2011 01:28 PM

One of the best exercises for general self control is a stay or leave-it.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk4PPcE1CqY[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNAOe1djDyc[/url]

As tenderfoot says start slow and build difficult over time.

There is a protocol for de-sensitizeing dogs to stimulus they are becoming reactive to called BAT that you can practice.
[url]http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/bat/[/url]
[url]http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2010/04/08/help-for-the-leash-reactive-dog-bat-cartoon/[/url]

It is something you can practice with dogs behind fences but it is better if you can work with a friend or (even better) qualified trainer and a decoy dog.

As a side note, the best treatment (or part of the treatment plan) for a dog with poor self control is often exercise. How much off leash or high intensity exercise does your dog get? How much mental stimulation?

Tenderfoot: I heartily agree with most of what you have written except for this
"When he sighs, he accepting what you are asking. If he lays down he is accepting it at a deeper level. When he kicks his hips off to one side he is accepting it at an even deeper level."
Some of these are calming signals which correspond to elevated levels of stress hormones in a dog. They are a way for your dog calm themselves or to ask you to calm down because you are making them nervous or upset.

067734m April 26th, 2012 03:54 PM

(To answer your question, no, I don't have a Catahoula. I have a walkerhound/beagle mix). Yep- above post sounds good. I think exercise is key. Don't forget to ask for help if needed. Maybe you need to try walking with a (human) buddy for a while who can help?


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