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maggiemay155 July 21st, 2009 08:24 AM

Low sperm count
 
Hi All
I have a male cavalier that has a very low sperm count. I wonder
if we do a surgical implant if there is a better chance of a
pregnancy??
kim

lUvMyLaB<3 July 21st, 2009 08:37 AM

I am sorry what?

Being that most of the people on this site do not breed animals, and believe pets should be spayed an neutered, I don't think you are going to find any of the advice you are looking for. Someone will be along soon and paste a link that may be informative for you.

My advice is get your dog fixed. Why are you wanting to breed your dog? Is he a champion? Has he had all the health tests? For a cavelier there are many many health concerns, and even breeding this breed is controversial. What steps have you taken to be sure that your dog will not pass on any of the issues that plague this breed? What is the reason you want puppies? Have you bred pups before?

maggiemay155 July 21st, 2009 08:52 AM

Yes they are both champions and a fully health tested with board
certified specialists. We check hearts, eyes, hips and patellas. The male
has had a MRI as well for SM.

bendyfoot July 21st, 2009 08:57 AM

By "surgical implant", are you talking about artificial insemination? That's not going to help if the sperm count is low.

Is there a physical reason for the low count like an injury? I'm asking because I'm not sure that you'd want to use a dog with low sperm count in a breeding program if there's some kind of genetic defect involved.

maggiemay155 July 21st, 2009 09:01 AM

Not an AI. Surgically implanting the sperm in the girl. We don't
know why he has a low count. He comes from a line that has
never has this problem before. At least in the dogs that have been
kept intact. Of course the pet puppies were all spayed and
neutered so we can't check them :)

CearaQC July 21st, 2009 09:02 AM

No offense, but if you were a licensed breeder you would have contacts in the field already and could ask for their opinions. And you would also consult a veterinarian.

This forum is pro spay/neuter. Many members here are very knowledgeable about pet medications and diseases but breeding is not something they are interested in discussing.

maggiemay155 July 21st, 2009 09:05 AM

Sorry I never saw that posted anywhere about only
spay and neuter. I have consulted a vet but I live in
a remote area and they are not repo specialists. I
will take my questions elsewhere

bendyfoot July 21st, 2009 09:05 AM

I'm still not sure I understand. Basically you've got AI, which is simply inserting sperm into the uterus/reproductive tract and hoping it meets the egg(s) or you've got in vitro, which is the combo of surgically removing eggs from the female, fertilizing them with viable sperm from the male, and surgically implanting fertilized eggs back into the female. I don't think they do that for dogs, and if they did it would cost you a fortune (10's of thousands of dollars and no guarrantees). I would have to say that if you're having to go through all these lengths, it's time to find a new male for the breeding stock...this isn't something you'd want to perpetuate in a healthy line.

CearaQC July 21st, 2009 09:22 AM

I did not say that it was [I]only[/I] spay/neuter, but that it was [I]pro[/I] spay/neuter.

Here's a post discussing some rules which states

[quote]Most people on this forum are VERY pro spay/neuter[/quote]

[url]http://www.pets.ca/forum/announcement.php?f=9&a=12[/url]

It was not my intention to be rude and was just letting you know how many members feel. Nothing more. :D I apologize if I came across as rude.

Have any pics of your dogs? I don't think I've ever seen that breed before.

I think bendyfoot is right, it would be very expensive to have in vitro done.

maggiemay155 July 21st, 2009 09:27 AM

There is a repo vet that does it with frozen or fresh chilled
but I just wondered if anyone knew the odds with a low
sperm count. I don't know how to send a pic?

bendyfoot July 21st, 2009 09:31 AM

That WOULD be AI though...or if you want to be technical IUI/ICI (intrauterine or intracervical insemination)...I think for it to be worthwhile you'd have to have the sperm sample "sorted" to extract only the viable cells...I still would hesitate to breed a dog with this issue though.

satchelp July 22nd, 2009 07:28 PM

In some breed clubs, it is against the rules to use AI for dogs (either the sire or the dame) that have not bred at least once naturally. There is good reason for this. The inability to do a natural breeding is often indicative of a health issue, and it is inadvisable to breed such a dog.

Rottielover July 22nd, 2009 07:43 PM

Depends on the reason for AI, some are shipped in, other dog breeds like the bulldog have a very hard time reproducing on their own because of body shape.
For a regular breeding, if your dog can not reproduce on its own, I agree it should not be bred.


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