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armash October 29th, 2008 10:21 PM

Large breed puppy food
 
[B]I have an italian mastiff puppy, 8 weeks old.
i am feeding him Royal Canin Maxi 30 Baby Dog (for large breed puppies) food with the following Ingredients: [/B]

Chicken meal, rice, brown rice, chicken fat, corn gluten meal, chicken, dried egg product, natural chicken flavor, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), dried brewers yeast, sodium silico aluminate, cellulose, potassium chloride, soya oil, psyllium seed husk, fructo-oligosaccharides, salt, L-lysine, dried brewers yeast extract (source of mannan-oligosaccharides), Vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, niacin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), riboflavin (vitamin B2), folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], taurine, choline chloride, DL-methionine, glucosamine hydrochloride, Trace Minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, calcium iodate], L-carnitine, chondroitin sulfate, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), preserved with natural mixed tocopherols (source of Vitamin E) and citric acid, rosemary extract.

apparently it has immunity boosters and stuff which is good.
can somebody comment on the ingredients?
Or suggest something better for a [B]large breed puppy[/B]?

Goldens4Ever October 30th, 2008 12:19 AM

[B][I]Orijen Large Breed Puppy [/I][/B]would be the best option for a specific "puppy" food, as most companies are leaning toward the generic "all life stages" these days.

[url]http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/orijen/[/url]

It costs twice as much as what you're feeding, but it also provides 100% better nutrition also. Read the threads on here about dog food to get an idea about what's considered "healthy" versus "unhealthy."

rainbow October 30th, 2008 01:37 AM

[QUOTE=armash;684249]

apparently it has immunity boosters and stuff which is good.
can somebody comment on the ingredients?
Or suggest something better for a [B]large breed puppy[/B]?[/QUOTE]


Immunity boosters?? I'm guessing your vet told you that one. :rolleyes:

About the only ingredient in that food that I like is the chicken meal.

Corn gluten meal is a cheap ingredient used to add protein and is highly susceptible to mold contamination.

Cellulose is a cheap filler and usually comes from wood shavings.

Fructo-oligosaccharides is an artificial sweetener ......sugar should not be added to pet food period.

Salt should also not be added and it also has another form of salt labelled as sodium silico aluminate :eek: .....

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_aluminosilicate[/url]

I agree with Goldens4Ever about Orijen's large breed puppy formula. :thumbs up

But I am pretty sure it does not cost twice as much as Medi-Cal. :confused:

I think the average price for Orijen is around $60 a bag and Medi-Cal is over $70. :shrug:

kathryn October 30th, 2008 01:41 AM

[url]http://www.innovapet.com/product_line.asp?id=1259[/url]

[QUOTE]Ingredients
Turkey
Chicken
Chicken Meal
Barley
Brown Rice
Rice
Potatoes
Chicken Fat
Pea Fiber
Egg
Natural Flavors
Flaxseed
Apples
Sunflower Oil
Pumpkin
Carrots
Potassium Chloride
Sea Salt
Herring Oil
Cottage Cheese
Alfalfa Sprouts
Dried Chicory Root
Direct-Fed Microbials
Lecithin
Rosemary Extract
Vitamins/Minerals [/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.chickensoupforthepetloverssoul.com/products/dogs/dry_food/large_breed_puppy_formula/[/url]

[QUOTE]INGREDIENTS
Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, ocean fish meal, cracked pearled barley, whole grain brown rice, white rice, oatmeal, millet, potatoes, egg product, tomato pomace, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), duck, salmon, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, salmon oil (source of DHA), choline chloride, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecieum, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E Supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.[/QUOTE]



I work at a pet food store and that's the two main ones we sell. I believe there is one more by a different company, but those two are both pretty good.

TulipRoxy October 30th, 2008 10:05 AM

[QUOTE][QUOTE=rainbow;684328]Immunity boosters?? I'm guessing your vet told you that one.[/QUOTE]

Well this food does have Vitamins C and E added. Those are both immune boosters.


[QUOTE]Fructo-oligosaccharides is an artificial sweetener ......sugar should not be added to pet food period.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Actually fructo-oligosaccharides are a type of highly fermentable fiber. They are good because the fermentation process in the small intesting helps increase the number of good bacteria which produce B vitamins, which nourish the intestinal mucosal lining. It also helps lower the PH in the intestial tract which improves calcium absorption.

That being said I wouldnt reccomend this food because of the addition of corn. Other than that it looks like an ok food.

AmericanBullMom October 30th, 2008 10:53 AM

I suggest going to [url]www.dogfoodanalysis.com[/url] :thumbs up
They rate almost every dog food and suggest the best brands to buy!

[url]http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=274&cat=all[/url]

^ that is the review that the food your feeding your puppy got. I feed Old Mother Hubbard's Wellness Core Ocean to my 11 month old American Bulldog, He is doing VERY well on it so far!

BenMax October 30th, 2008 10:58 AM

It is so rare that I join into food threads, but LuckyPenny has spoken to me about what I am feeding my dogs. Royal Canine or Medical....apparently not the best. I am equally at a lose when it comes to foods for my pets.

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 01:07 PM

We had a foster that was eating Royal Canin Boxer. I switched him immediately after I found out that it is very high fat content. Personally for kibble I prefer Orjen, Wellness, Innova, Evo, or Nature's Balance.

BenMax October 30th, 2008 01:17 PM

Our rescue is switiching to Natural Balance. I 'heard' it's good ...

suzyb991 October 30th, 2008 01:21 PM

orijen
 
I endorse the previous response regarding the Orijen line of dog food. Dog allergies are on the rise and I have taken my dog off any product that contains wheat, barley, etc. In the long run it will mean a healthier dog and lower vet bills. Start puppies off right.

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 01:22 PM

[QUOTE=BenMax;684621]Our rescue is switiching to Natural Balance. I 'heard' it's good ...[/QUOTE]


We feed it in our kennel to all our dogs (we get a bulk discount!). Its actually very good quality for what they charge for it. Were finding more dogs are developing allergies so they make a Duck & Potato Allergy formula that we feed. Also we have some Colitis babies and we give them the kibble mixed with some wet and white rice. Its been really helping our Colitis babes.

rainbow October 30th, 2008 02:08 PM

[QUOTE=TulipRoxy;684441]Actually fructo-oligosaccharides are a type of highly fermentable fiber. They are good because the fermentation process in the small intesting helps increase the number of good bacteria which produce B vitamins, which nourish the intestinal mucosal lining. It also helps lower the PH in the intestial tract which improves calcium absorption.

That being said I wouldnt reccomend this food because of the addition of corn. Other than that it looks like an ok food.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) also sometimes called oligofructose or oligofructan, is a class of oligosaccharides used as an artificial or alternative sweetener. FOS use emerged in the 1980s in response to consumer demand for healthier and calorie-reduced foods. The term oligosaccharide refers to a short chain of sugar molecules (in the case of FOS, fructose molecules). Oligo means few, and saccharide means sugar.[/QUOTE]


Some more info about fructo-oligosaccharides ....

[url]http://www.scdiet.org/6research/fos.html[/url]

[url]http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/fos_fructooligosaccharides.htm[/url]

BenMax October 30th, 2008 02:09 PM

[QUOTE=totallyhip;684632]We feed it in our kennel to all our dogs (we get a bulk discount!). Its actually very good quality for what they charge for it. Were finding more dogs are developing allergies so they make a Duck & Potato Allergy formula that we feed. Also we have some Colitis babies and we give them the kibble mixed with some wet and white rice. Its been really helping our Colitis babes.[/QUOTE]

So I have been told by members of our rescue. Duck and Potato...interesting....

AmericanBullMom October 30th, 2008 02:12 PM

[QUOTE=BenMax;684675]So I have been told by members of our rescue. Duck and Potato...interesting....[/QUOTE]

Patrón was on the Natural Balance Duck and Potato for a while... I liked it except it gave him bad gas! :yuck:

BenMax October 30th, 2008 02:29 PM

I am going to try it - why not!

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 02:35 PM

If you have Colitis babies I also add some pumpkin. 1 tablespoon of 100% pure canned pumpkin (not pie filling). I'm a huge advocate of pumpkin. If they have it at Costco we get a case!

With allergies we stick to 1 protein source. In this case the duck.

Let me know how it goes

BenMax October 30th, 2008 02:38 PM

I will let you know. Thanks. I have to obviously find the specialty store for Nature's Balance.

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 02:41 PM

[url]http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/home/locator.tpl[/url]

TulipRoxy October 30th, 2008 03:34 PM

[QUOTE=rainbow;684673]Some more info about fructo-oligosaccharides ....

[url]http://www.scdiet.org/6research/fos.html[/url]

[url]http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/fos_fructooligosaccharides.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. I'm just a student of nutrition and stand corrected. Its interesting to see how there is always two sides to an issue.

TulipRoxy October 30th, 2008 03:36 PM

[QUOTE=totallyhip;684632]We feed it in our kennel to all our dogs (we get a bulk discount!). Its actually very good quality for what they charge for it. Were finding more dogs are developing allergies so they make a Duck & Potato Allergy formula that we feed. Also we have some Colitis babies and we give them the kibble mixed with some wet and white rice. Its been really helping our Colitis babes.[/QUOTE]

I used to feed NB before I switched to raw. It was a good food, and I always has success with it. Many of the clients at the kennel I work at feed it as well with good success.

rainbow October 30th, 2008 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=AmericanBullMom;684680]Patrón was on the Natural Balance Duck and Potato for a while... I liked it except it gave him bad gas! :yuck:[/QUOTE]

I've heard that often about the NB Duck & Potato....maybe the duck is too rich. :shrug:

California Natural has minimal ingredients for allergy dogs.....perhaps the [URL="http://www.californianaturalpet.com/products/default.asp?id=1326"]Herring & Sweet Potato[/URL] formula would help.

They also have their own manufacturing plant which is a bonus.

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 04:01 PM

Yes sometimes it is too rich but they also do fish & potato too along with some other allergy formulas:thumbs up

rainbow October 30th, 2008 04:14 PM

[QUOTE=totallyhip;684775]Yes sometimes it is too rich but they also do fish & potato too along with some other allergy formulas:thumbs up[/QUOTE]


Do you know who manufactures Natural Balance?

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 04:29 PM

I believe they manufacture it themselves in California

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Balance_Pet_Foods[/url]

rainbow October 30th, 2008 04:48 PM

[QUOTE=totallyhip;684787]I believe they manufacture it themselves in California

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Balance_Pet_Foods[/url][/QUOTE]


I have heard that it is made at the Diamond plant in California.

Here is one of the articles from the Los Angeles Times ([url]http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/19/business/fi-petfood19[/url])....

[QUOTE]A San Francisco company, Wilbur-Ellis Co., began importing the ingredient in July from a Chinese company, Futian Biology Technology Co., Wilbur-Ellis Chief Executive John Thacher said.

It resold the ingredient to five pet food manufacturers, including Diamond Pet Foods Inc. of Meta, Mo. [I]Diamond manufactured the dry dog and cat foods recalled by Natural Balance, Diamond spokesman Jim Fallon said.[/I]
[/QUOTE]

totallyhip October 30th, 2008 06:07 PM

Thanks Rainbow for the information and [I]letting me know who manufactures the food.[/I] I was unaware. I am glad that Natural Balance recalled the food. I would hate for anymore dogs to get sick from this horrible pet food scandal :eek:

[I]"Natural Balance said it was recalling all its venison and brown rice canned and bagged dog foods, its venison and brown rice dog treats and its venison and green pea dry cat food."[/I]

[I]"Natural Balance believes the source of the contaminant was rice protein concentrate, which it recently added to the dry venison formulas"[/I]

Seems that several dog food companies voluntarily recalled dog food during the pet food recall.

Laylapet November 2nd, 2008 09:54 PM

I've been feeding Solid Gold Wolf Cub. I've been very pleased with it. Bonus: PetCo carries it so it's pretty easy to find. She also eats WAY less of it than of other brands I've tried, so it actually ends up being cheaper than the "cheap" stuff! She started on 3 cups of Eukanuba a day, and now eats less than 2 cups of the SG.

GETRAW November 3rd, 2008 09:55 PM

Generic All Life Stages
 
[QUOTE=Goldens4Ever;684303][B][I]Orijen Large Breed Puppy [/I][/B]would be the best option for a specific "puppy" food, as most companies are leaning toward the generic "all life stages" these days.

[url]http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/orijen/[/url]

It costs twice as much as what you're feeding, but it also provides 100% better nutrition also. Read the threads on here about dog food to get an idea about what's considered "healthy" versus "unhealthy."[/QUOTE]

Goldens4Ever there is nothing generic about good nutrition. At your Thanksgiving dinner nobody gave Grandpa a piece of 'Senior' turkey. Companies make up reasons to take shelf space, it's all about marketing.


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