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MotosMom April 21st, 2005 10:08 PM

Great Dane - Bloat
 
Hi all,

Just curious if anyone else has been thru the bloat with their dogs?

My big boy Moto, 1 1/2 yr old male dane had emergency surgery 2 weeks ago for bloat. They stapled stomach and removed 10 lb spleen.

I am wondering what goes on after surgery. Moto kinda sorta eating but also eating grass and vomitting. Vet says they sometimes get something like acid reflux.

Any one else been thru and how is it going?

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Moto's Mom

Prin April 21st, 2005 11:23 PM

I haven't been through it, and I actually don't know anybody who has. It is such an expensive surgery, it's so rare that people go through with it. What a lucky dog you have!! If you really trust your vet, there is no reason not to believe him... But I would continue to research, in case.

You do have to take the healing into consideration too. Good luck.

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 08:28 AM

hi and thanks for the response.

I just thank god we got him to the vet in time. It is an expensive surgery but he is my baby. He is only a year and a half and I just couldn't imagine being without him anymore.

Yesterday I tried a different food giving him less and so far it seems to be ok. I just really feel bad cuz he comes to me and looks at me as if to say please feed me. But gonna do it this way for awhile and see how it goes. Other than the eating of the grass and throwing up he seems to be his old self again. Burying his bones and walking around the house with his rubber chickens in his mouth. (he loves those things)

Have a great day.

Beaglemom April 22nd, 2005 09:00 AM

What a lucky dog to have you! It is great that you caught it on time and went through with the surgery! Many people wait until it is too late and the poor dog doesn't make it to surgery, or they don't go ahead with the surgery because it is expensive. When I worked at a vet clinic years ago we had a Doberman that came in with bloat. Unfortunately the owners had waited too long and we were unable to save her, she never woke up from her surgery.

Do as much research as you can and keep in touch with your vet. I'm sure your vet would be more than willing to help you out and give you all the advice you need.

mona_b April 22nd, 2005 09:16 AM

You are definately one of the lucky ones.My friend lost her St.Bernard to Bloat.She rushed Emily to the vet,but lost her.She was only 8 months.And she was rushed in right away.

Here is a very good link to Bloat.Even though your furbaby has been through it,it could happen again.It will tell you how to prevent it.You really need to be carefull of what type of dry you feed.If only feeding him dry,I would consider giving him canned also.I hope this link helps.

I agree with Prin,you do need to take the healing of the surgery into consideration.

[url]http://www.globalspan.net/bloat.htm[/url]

Lucky Rescue April 22nd, 2005 10:38 AM

[QUOTE]Even though your furbaby has been through it,it could happen again.[/QUOTE]

Once the stomach has been stapled, this cannot happen again ever.

How often do you feed your Dane, and what kind of food?

kandy April 22nd, 2005 11:35 AM

So glad you got to it in time
 
I am so glad that you were able to get your dog in to the vet in time. Although I have never been through bloat, or known anyone who has, but I do know what it's like to lose an 18 month old puppy. I just wanted to say that I hope your baby recovers well. Good Luck and let us know how he's doing (Love Great Danes by the way!)

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 11:44 AM

Hi everyone and thanks for the responses.

Before the bloat he ate Pedigree. We kept the food out as he was a nibbler. Never gulped his food.

After the surgery, vet fed him canned food with water. Told me to keep that up for a few days and slowly mix in his dry. Did that and he didn't like it. We put a little of his dry in his bowl and he ate it. So only got canned as meatballs with his medicine in it. Now medicine is finished.

Started eating grass and throwing up. Tried Gravy Train, he seemed to like it, but then ate grass and threw up again. Yesterday gave him some Beneful, very small amounts. No grass eating today and no throwing up. But now I am wondering if it was the medicine that was upsetting his belly. No medicine yesterday. HHmmm...maybe that could be it.

So gonna go with just giving him small amount of Beneful today and see what tomorrow brings.

Actually today seems even better, playing more today.

Thanks again

Cactus Flower April 22nd, 2005 01:31 PM

So glad your Dane made it through the surgery ok, poor baby!

I make sure to keep my dane's food and water elevated, don't let her gulp TONS of water after eating dry food, and don't allow her to run or exercise vigorously after eating. They say that these thing will help prevent bloat. Still, I watch her very closely after she eats.

If it can't happen again after stapling, I'm certainly glad that you two are in the clear!

I don't mean to offend, but would you consider feeding him a higher quality food? I know that the advertisements are very misleading- so it is difficult for a consumer to know any better, but the foods you mentioned are not very nutritionally sound. There are many threads on here about the quality of different dog food, and I'm sure you'll find a lot of valuable advice regarding brands. Just do a search for "dog food", and you'll find many to browse through. I got quite an education here myself when I first signed up, and found that I was not necessarily giving my dogs the nutrition they needed. So again, this isn't a criticism, just a friendly suggestion.

I would LOVE to see pictures of your baby!

BMDLuver April 22nd, 2005 01:35 PM

food
 
I will just add to this food conversation and say that the more costly end of food, while more expensive to purchase a bag ends up equally the same amount as several low grade bags because you feed far less. Also, the amount of poop you pick up is hugely reduced. Double bonus, lol.

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 02:03 PM

Again thanks for replies and no offense taken.

We had given him some Iams once before when we ran out of his food (borrowed from neighbor) and he took one bite and wouldn't eat anymore. Actually spit it out.

I had planned on picking up some Science diet when I was out yesterday, but store I went to didn't have it, going out later today to try and pick some up. But than again, so far today been having luck with the Beneful I gave hime yesterday.

As soon as hubby gets home tonight, we will post some pics of the big boy.

Thanks again for all the info, learn something new all the time.

Prin April 22nd, 2005 02:35 PM

Why not look into Wellness or Solid Gold? Iams and Science Diet are still not the best. A bag of Solid Gold Wolf King costs me $67 (33lbs). It's loaded with yumminess.
Go here:
[URL=http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/index.asp]Wellness[/URL]
[URL=http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/]Solid Gold[/URL]
And maybe check this one out. Their food is insane, but I wouldn't be able to afford it...
[URL=http://www.merrickpetcare.com/]Merrick Pet Care[/URL]

Cactus Flower April 22nd, 2005 03:16 PM

Prin is in Canada, MotosMom. So it won't be quite that expensive here in U.S dollars.

Prin April 22nd, 2005 05:09 PM

Ya, $67 Canadian is what $12 US? heh heh. We were catching up though. Until all this scandal and political uncertainty.

doggy lover April 22nd, 2005 06:30 PM

My last dog had bloat when he was 5, strange that your dog would bloat at such a young age. It took him a while to get over the surgery, and dogs can bloat after they have had the surgery they just can't twist. As I was told it is the twisting of the stomach that kills them. You dog is lucky you noticed what was going on, it only takes hours to kill a dog. If you want any more info on what my dog went through private message me.

doggy lover April 22nd, 2005 06:33 PM

For his diet right now try rice, cooked ground beef and cottage cheese its easier on their tummies.

Prin April 22nd, 2005 06:35 PM

Age doesn't matter. It relies mostly on how deep the chest is.

Cactus Flower April 22nd, 2005 08:35 PM

MotosMom, DoggyLover- would either of you mind sharing what symptoms your dog had that told you they were in trouble? What were the first signs, and how did they progress? Unless it is too painful for you to retell (which I would understand completely), I would appreciate the heads-up on what exactly to look for.

Lucky Rescue April 22nd, 2005 08:44 PM

[QUOTE]and dogs can bloat after they have had the surgery they just can't twist[/QUOTE]

Right. Sorry Monab!!! I was thinking you meant it could twist again....duh....:p

Motosmom, the foods you named are some of the most low quality and cheapest around, and this means they are not very digestible. Not very good for any dog, and especially not for yours.

Your dog needs a high quality food that will be easily digested. It may seem more expensive, but you will feed much less of it, so the cost is really comparable.

Prin April 22nd, 2005 09:04 PM

It's easier to fix if there is no twisting though. They just put a tube down the throat or in the other end. No surgery. I know that dogs who aren't stapled have a 70% of bloating again.

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 10:08 PM

We knew immediatly something was wrong with moto. He wasn't his usual self. No playing, no toys nothing.

We noticed his stomach was extended, really really big, trying to throw up, but nothing but a little foam coming out. Wanting to lay down but can't get comfortable. And then he crawled under the bushes, I think he went there to die.

New to the area so we had to find some place to take him on a sunday night at 1100pm. Went to animal er an hour away, we made it in 35 minutes.

Very scary. Stomach was stapled so hopefully that is the end of it.

greaterdane April 22nd, 2005 10:35 PM

Cactusflower, What do you feed your big girl? I was just wondering what other people feed their danes. Atticus had Medical Kibble after his obstruction and now eats a chicken first healthy start food with no by-products or corn etc. His bowl isnt totally elevated just not right on the floor, he still has to lean right down to get it, but its out of chihuahua reach, his water is on the floor though. I really just want to know what other people feed their danes, i am thinking about switching him back to the Medical Kibble as it specially made for gas, he did very well on it, but it smelled very ashy and that worried me. Sorry to blab on, but in short I am just curious what others feed. :thumbs up

Cactus Flower April 22nd, 2005 10:48 PM

Mombully, I laughed out loud at your editing note!
I feed Raj AvoDerm vegetarian. She is allergic to meat protein :( .

MotosMom, thanks for sharing the details. How terrifying that sounds!
At least I know that it won't be something I will likely overlook. That's been my worry- what if she is showing symptoms and I don't recognize them as such. Sounds very obvious, and I DO watch her closely after she eats.

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 11:27 PM

Didn't know what was wrong at that time, but knew something wasn't right. We knew he had to have been in pain, but he didn't once cry or wince.

We had another great dane a couple of years ago. He lived to be 12 years old, which is amazing in itself. Never any signs of bloat at any time. He ate Pedigree all his life. We have been trying to compare and see what the differences were between the 2 dogs. BlackJack was a sleeper. He just always wanted to be in the sunbeam and always wanted to sleep. Moto, he just wants to play. He has outside toys and inside toys and he knows the difference. Jack liked going for drives, but didn't seem to matter to him one way or the other if he went. Now, Moto he loves to go for a ride and he wants to go all the time. If we are not going anywhere, he just goes to sit by the car cuz he wants to go for a ride.

But just shows you never can tell what dog will get it when. Just know what to look for. Time is critical also.

Just so glad to see Moto getting back to his usual self. He is such a joy.

MotosMom April 22nd, 2005 11:28 PM

Also, we had both dogs food dish elevated.

Prin April 22nd, 2005 11:33 PM

Did you read the other thread? About feeding dishes?

Cactus Flower April 23rd, 2005 12:58 AM

I, too, am glad that he is getting back to his usual self! Lucky boy to have parents like you and your husband who are so caring, not to mention quick to respond :thumbs up .

I will be eagerly awaiting pictures of Moto!

Toonces April 23rd, 2005 07:55 AM

Hi Moto,

I'm so glad to hear your baby is doing well.

My last foster a gsd bloated and it was the scarest thing I have ever seen.


After his surgery it was a very slow recovery, he got 4 small meals a day (nutro senoir dry) and some canned food from the vet that was easy on the tummy. He got no treats for a few weeks and no rawhides or pig ears ever again my vet said. His exercise was very liminted and we had to keep things very quiet for about a month.

He was 2 yrs old and very hyper and untrained we had only had him 2 weeks before this happened so when he was free in the house I kept him tethered to me with a lead so he didn't run and play with the other dogs. We were also told no execrise atleat 30 min before or after a meal and no water as well before or after play. We eventually went to 3 meals a day for himand this worked out well, even tho he was only 2 the vet said to put him on senoir food because it ahd less fat and this was easier for his system we jsut had to increase the food so he didn't loose weight.

He recovered very well and 2 months later he went to his forever home, I get updates often and he is doing great and now enjoying his obedience classes and new family!

I am so glad that you got your baby to the vet ontime and that he is doing well. Good luck and god bless

mona_b April 23rd, 2005 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=LuckyRescue]Right. Sorry Monab!!! I was thinking you meant it could twist again....duh....:p[/QUOTE]

That's ok LR..... :thumbs up

Prin,actually age does matter.As it is VERY rare for a younger dog to get it.My friends vet was very very surprised that Emily got it at 8 months old.

MotosMom,not sure if you know this,but Beneful is not a very good food to feed.When looking for a premium food,the first 5 ingredients should not be corn.Also,you need to stay away from the foods that contain citric acid,brewers yeast,alfalfa and soybean.

Having GSD's,my biggest fear has been bloat.But I have taken every precausion to prevent it.And knock on wood(knocks on head LOL)I haven't had a problem.This is something I have to praise my breeder with.She helped me out alot with it.

Can't wait to see pics.I just love Danes.Growing up my Aunt raised 5.

raingirl April 23rd, 2005 11:13 AM

[QUOTE=mona_b]MotosMom,not sure if you know this,but Beneful is not a very good food to feed.When looking for a premium food,the first 5 ingredients should not be corn.Also,you need to stay away from the foods that contain citric acid,brewers yeast,alfalfa and soybean.[/QUOTE]

Why not citric acid, brewers yeast or Alfalfa?? (I know soy is bad)

Citric acid is how they get vitamin C, Brewers Yeast is REALLY good for humans as well as dogs, and the anti-oxidants of alfalfa is really good too. I don't know why these are bad? are they bad only for dogs prone to bloat?

Wait...I just did a search and see the citric acid is bad for dogs prone to bloat, but I couldn't find references to the others. The only thing about Alfalfa that I could see is bad is that they have a lot of Isoflavones, same as soy, which can be bad in really large amounts.


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