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Love4himies May 30th, 2008 10:05 PM

Lump on Jasper's neck
 
I just found a lump on the scruff of Jasper's neck. It is quite large about an inch in diameter and a quarter inch deep.

I am so upset I can't even think. I will be taking him to the vet tomorrow. I hope it is just a lump from his vaccines he got on Monday.

clm May 30th, 2008 10:32 PM

That's probably all that it is. Glad you can get him in to see the vet so fast to be sure.

Cindy

krdahmer May 30th, 2008 10:36 PM

Yep good to check it out, but if he got vaccines there that's most likely the cause. Fagan almost always gets a lump when he gets a shot of any kind.... and sometimes they take up to 4 weeks + to go away. :goodvibes: for your appointment with Jasper! :grouphug:

onster May 31st, 2008 03:36 AM

Dont worry, im sure its just from the vaccine. Vet will put ure mind to ease :grouphug:

Love4himies May 31st, 2008 05:56 AM

Thanks guys. He is my special boy and I would be just devastated if something happened to him.:cry:

onster May 31st, 2008 06:43 AM

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

14+kitties May 31st, 2008 07:39 AM

I am sending :goodvibes: and :fingerscr that the lump is from the needles. I will be thinking about Jasper. Good Luck!!! And let us know asap!

hazelrunpack May 31st, 2008 08:01 AM

:fingerscr and :goodvibes: for Jasper that it's just a vaccination lump and will go away on its own. We always get them checked out, too. :thumbs up

We've seen so many vaccination lumps on the dogs over the years that we developed a system with the vet. They put certain vaccines in certain places and we always watch them do to--that way we know exactly what has caused the reaction...and if a lump results, we freak out about it less. :rolleyes: We're pretty paranoid...I think the vet was getting tired about our panicky calls! :o :laughing:

:grouphug:

Love4himies May 31st, 2008 09:53 AM

Thanks everybody, we are heading off to the vet now.

angeldogs May 31st, 2008 09:56 AM

Hoping it's the vaccination that has caused the lump.

Dr Lee May 31st, 2008 02:17 PM

Let us know what happens. Good luck

Love4himies June 2nd, 2008 01:14 AM

Vet does think it is from the vaccine and wants Jasper brought back in if there is any oozing, he stops eating, or if it doesn't go down in two weeks for a recheck.

It does feel slightly smaller this morning, the lump itself is hard, but it is moveable, like it is attached to the skin, not the muscle tissue.

14+kitties June 2nd, 2008 01:19 AM

[QUOTE=Love4himies;600031]Vet does think it is from the vaccine and wants Jasper brought back in if there is any oozing, he stops eating, or if it doesn't go down in two weeks for a recheck.

It does feel slightly smaller this morning, the lump itself is hard, but it is moveable, like it is attached to the skin, not the muscle tissue.[/QUOTE]

I am so relieved that the vet thinks it's from the vaccine! I'm sure you are too! Jasper is a pretty special fella'! :goodvibes:being sent for the lump to be gone soon.

Love4himies June 2nd, 2008 01:33 AM

The issue with vaccine lumps is that they can turn cancerous and apparently it can be malignant and aggressive. :sad: I have been so stressed this weekend and Jasper has been so spoiled.:cloud9:

Maybe Dr Lee can give me more info.

chico2 June 2nd, 2008 01:47 AM

L4H,Hope sweet Jasper is ok:cat:
I did not know before this Forum and Vinnies vaccinelump,that these lumps can become cancerous.
A couple of years back,my old vet started giving the needles in the leg,as does my new vet,for the simple reeason should something develope it's easier to treat in the leg.
In all the years of having cats,it only happened to Vinnie,but it was scary,luckily it eventually went away.

phoozles June 2nd, 2008 05:49 AM

Sending you some :goodvibes: that this will go away soon :grouphug:
Those lumps can be so scary! It's definitely good news that the vet thinks it's just from the vaccine - you never know! :grouphug:

ancientgirl June 2nd, 2008 06:19 AM

I hope that lump goes away fast. I'd never known about the possibility of those becoming cancerous until I read it here either.

Mine have all had their shots, but next time I'm going to ask the vet to give it to them on their leg too. I don't think it makes a difference in the potency of the vaccine where it's given right?

I think Jaspur needs to be spoiled a little more today.:D

Love4himies June 2nd, 2008 06:20 AM

I am never getting my cats vaccinated again, even for rabies, unless I have to travel with them.

ancientgirl June 2nd, 2008 02:14 PM

It's very scary. You want to protect them, and make sure they are safe from any diseases, but then the cure could be potentially harmful too. :sad:

Is he better? Is the lump smaller?

hazelrunpack June 2nd, 2008 04:03 PM

Be careful how often you check the lump, L4H. hazel learned the hard way that if you check it frequently (even once a day) it can get bigger just because it's irritated. :o hazel has since learned to check lumps once a week. :D It's also easier to detect a change if you check it less frequently.

kathryn June 2nd, 2008 04:16 PM

[QUOTE=Love4himies;600196]I am never getting my cats vaccinated again, even for rabies, unless I have to travel with them.[/QUOTE]


You sound like those parents who won't vaccinate their kids because they say OMG MY KID IS AUTISTIC IT MUST BECAUSE OF THEIR VACCINES!

Seriously, chill out. It's all good. The same thing happened to my cat ages ago. It's NOT bad, it's just swelling because your cat probably moved a little and that's all.

You can put a .. warm cloth on it. I think it was a warm cloth. Could be a cool cloth. I forget. Whichever one it is that you would put on yourself if you hit a body part and it got swollen.

Rabies vaccines and distemper are 100% needed. Your cat is more likely to go out and catch something or get bitten by something then too MAYBE develop cancer from a vaccine.

If your cat gets bitten by a rabid raccoon because she/he slipped out one night, they WILL die. Vaccines aren't really even proven to cause harm.

Plus, not vaccinating your cat for rabies is illegal depending on where you live.

Spread out the vaccines more though. Heard that's better for them and doesn't really do anything to the effectiveness. Do a 1 year shot every 15 months or so and that will cover them.

If anyone has any contradicting evidence to what I've said, feel free to present it. But seriously, vaccinate your kids & pets for the BASIC stuff.

sugarcatmom June 2nd, 2008 05:10 PM

[QUOTE=kathryn;600388]Rabies vaccines and distemper are 100% needed. Your cat is more likely to go out and catch something or get bitten by something then too MAYBE develop cancer from a vaccine.
[/QUOTE]

Perhaps the original vaccines are useful, but I completely disagree that annual boosters are necessary, and even the veterinary community is starting to change their tune. The latest protocol is every 3 years: [url]http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/vaccination-guidelines.html#protocol[/url] but many argue that even that is too much. And it's about more than just the possibility of developing sarcomas. There's even a term, vaccinosis, which refers to adverse reactions due to overvaccination, everything from auto-immune disorders to chronic renal failure. Personally, I will never vaccinate beyond kitten/puppyhood again.

Some links, if you're interested:
[url]http://www.ebvet.com/article7.php[/url]
[url]http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?action=library&act=show&item=vaccination[/url]
[url]http://www.vaclib.org/legal/PetsDying.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.blakkatz.com/vaccination.html[/url]
[url]http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm[/url]

Dr Lee June 2nd, 2008 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=Love4himies;600037]The issue with vaccine lumps is that they can turn cancerous and apparently it can be malignant and aggressive. :sad: I have been so stressed this weekend and Jasper has been so spoiled.:cloud9:Maybe Dr Lee can give me more info.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Love4himies!

There has been a link established between cancer (VAS - vaccine associated sarcoma) and some vaccines in cats. (there is new evidence that to a lesser extent this is occurring in dogs as well). I think somewhere I did a long description of this here. In short, the adjuvants appear to be causing the cancer by means of prolonged and marked local inflammation.

Merial has developed vaccines (basic 4in1, feline leukemia and rabies) which are non-adjuvanted and to date, have not had known one case of cancer induced from them. During the research the feline leukemia vaccine, which has the highest rate of causing this tumor, was still causing tissue inflammation even after it was made as recombinant so they took a needless injector which was developed by the military. It injects the vaccine through a concentrated puff of air. By spreading the vaccine out, the tissue inflammation has been reduced and it is considered at this time to have no link with vaccine induced cancer. This is the only type of vaccines that should be used in cats. If your cat has been vaccinated for feline leukemia with a Merial recombinant vaccine you will know it because of the special VetJet injector that is used. It is a teal and white 7-8 inch device which emits a large popping sound.Also as cats age, they become naturally resistant to FeLV anyways. However for all other vaccines, Merial's non-adjuvanted vaccines in my opinion are the only way to go.

There was a question on this in our VIN (Veterinary Information Network). Here is an answer by Dr Alice Wolf who is one of the most knowledgeable veterinarians I know. Here is her answer to a question on this:



">>> Is there any new evidence regarding non-adjuvanted vaccines in cats and whether they are really less likely to cause reactions <<<

The major issue is the post-vaccinal inflammation that occurs with adjuvanted vs non-adjuvanted vaccines and the induction of malignant transformation that can lead to vaccine-associated sarcomas.

Here is an abstract of a recent study demonstrating the reduced local reactivity of non-adjuvanted vaccine:
Vaccine. 2007 May 16;25(20):4073-84. Epub 2007 Mar 7. Links
A kinetic study of histopathological changes in the subcutis of cats injected with non-adjuvanted and adjuvanted multi-component vaccines.Day MJ, Schoon HA, Magnol JP, Saik J, Devauchelle P, Truyen U, Gruffydd-Jones TJ, Cozette V, Jas D, Poulet H, Pollmeier M, Thibault JC.

School of Clinical Veterinary Science, University of Bristol, Langford, BS40 5DU, United Kingdom. [email]m.j.day@bristol.ac.uk[/email]

The aim of this study was to investigate the subcutaneous tissue response to administration of a single dose of multi-component vaccine in the cat. Three groups of 15 cats were injected with one of three vaccine products with saline as a negative control. Cats in group A received non-adjuvanted vaccine; cats in group B received vaccine with a lipid-based adjuvant; whilst those in group C were vaccinated with a product adjuvanted with an alum-Quil A mixture. The vaccine and saline injection sites were sampled on days 7, 21 and 62 post-vaccination. Biopsies of these vaccine sites were examined qualitatively and scored semi-quantitatively for a series of parameters related to aspects of the inflammatory and tissue repair responses. These data were analysed statistically, including by principal component analysis. At all three time points of the experiment, there was significantly less inflammation associated with administration of non-adjuvanted vaccine (p=0.000). Although there was evidence of tissue repair by day 62 in all groups, those cats receiving adjuvanted vaccines had evidence of residual adjuvant material accumulated within macrophages at this late time point. The severity of tissue reactions may vary significantly in response to vaccines which include adjuvants or are non-adjuvanted.

>>> I am reevaluating our protocols and considering going back to using 3 yr feline rabies. <<<

On the basis of this information, I hope that you will continue to use only non-adjuvanted products in cats.

Alice"

-Alice M. Wolf, DVM, DACVIM, DABVP

rainbow June 2nd, 2008 07:05 PM

[B]Dr. Lee,[/B] thank you for posting that excellent information. :thumbs up

[B]Love4himies,[/B] how is Uncle Jasper today? :fingerscr :goodvibes:

growler~GateKeeper June 3rd, 2008 12:53 AM

Here is some more updated vaccine related info including where to inject the vaccine

[url]http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/vmth/clientinfo/info/genmed/vaccinproto.html[/url]

Yes L4H How is Uncle Jasper? :goodvibes:
Hard sometimes :rolleyes: I know, but remember to not irritate (check) the lump too much

Love4himies June 3rd, 2008 06:41 AM

:yell: I check it every 5 minutes, sorry Hazel, I can't stop :yell:. I was thinking of discussing with my vet to get the lump removed if it is still there after week 4. I will not take any chances of this turning into cancer. He is my bud and worth every penny to have it removed:

[url]http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/index.cfm?function=showarticle&id=155[/url]


Thank you Dr. Lee. Would you agree that it should be removed after 4 weeks?

katherine93 June 3rd, 2008 10:06 AM

I dont know about dr. Lee, But i certainly agree with getting it removed! What if something happens if youd ont! :eek: Not omly would you feel super bad for not removing the lump, but he would be in alot of pain! I know thats not very comforting what i just said, sorry.

chico2 June 3rd, 2008 10:14 AM

L4H,I would not rush to put Jasper through surgery:sad:it's strange,but when Vinnie had his,it was probably more than 1 inch long and 1/2 inch wide,my old vet never even talked about remvoving it.
It was gone after a while,probably a couple of weeks,hope pretty Jaspers will be too:fingerscr:goodvibes:

Love4himies June 3rd, 2008 11:03 AM

[QUOTE=chico2;601000]L4H,I would not rush to put Jasper through surgery:sad:it's strange,but when Vinnie had his,it was probably more than 1 inch long and 1/2 inch wide,my old vet never even talked about remvoving it.
It was gone after a while,probably a couple of weeks,hope pretty Jaspers will be too:fingerscr:goodvibes:[/QUOTE]


Chico, I can't think of anything but this lump turning to cancer, it has consumed me. Everything I read on the internet tells me this can easily turn to cancer and such an aggressive cancer that can't be treated.

My sister died from a prescription med that was a 1 in a million chance of doing so the doctor didn't do blood work first to see if she was at risk. :cry:

My mom almost died from a routine angiogram, doctor cut a vein pulling it out and nobody check for internal bleeding before releasing her. She almost died of massive blood loss.:sad:

Snowball, my soulmate kitty died just a month after moving into a house we built on a lot that would have been his paradise and he never got to enjoy it! Vet prescribed Baytril when his kidneys were failing and he never ate after the second dose.:sad::cry: developed cancer in his sinuses.

ancientgirl June 3rd, 2008 11:23 AM

I understand your worry. I'd be going crazy myself. Have you been able to talk to the vet about it today? Does is seem to have changed in size since Friday?


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