Checked Who signed the Pro BSL petition in my area.

Most of the people listed are neither in the new phone book, nor traceable thru canada 411..? :confused:

2 of the people live in an upscale seniors complex. Most of these folks just buzz in & out in their $50M cars & seldom if ever see a sidewalk, never mind a dog. :confused:

1 person lives on a cul de sac, dead end street with about 10 houses on it, & No dogs on the street. :confused:

Another lives on a dog walk route, to get to the park. Problem? No Pits or Staffys in the area...? :confused:

Most of the sir names names of the list are..? How can I put this without being politically incorrect? Of a religious persuation that sees dogs as 'unclean'. Could it be that cultural, or religious teachings are influencing their opinions about this? If the same people who signed the petition were asked if they would like to see All dogs disappear, I wonder how many would say ,"yes!"? :confused:

Top 10 'incredible' name on the petition goes to "Mohammed Smith", with possibly the Most Politically Correct name in the world. :)

Well when there was that Pulse24 poll online when pro ban was winning. The majority chose that all large breeds should be banned. So that should tell some are just anti dog. I don't know if its a cultural or religious thing persay but Im sure of your a newer immigrant from a country that does not keep domesticated animals and the dogs they do have are strays I can see how they would feel the way they do. Its just not their culture. You can't blame them not that you are. Living in such a multi cultural city your bound to find differing opinions on animals. But in the end all cutures all religions need to function together so thats why we want to make accountable legislation that benefits all people and animals. I personally from my own experience have seen cultural differences when it comes to domesticated animals. I usually can tell whos going to cross the street when they see me. Im not always right mind you as we all know we can't judge a book by its cover.

1)Who will pay for the damage that gets done by these dogs? They don’t’ have any onemey.
reply: I don't know. Dogs have no opockets to keep their onemey in. :confused:

2)If you live on a farm you need a gun, maybe. But why do you need a pitbul – if yo live in the city expecially.
reply: I'm expecially glad yo axed me that! Yo don't need a Pit bull in the city, yo need a gun. :sorry:

3)does this ban include breed smitherman?
reply: i don't know if this is just nasty, or what? :confused:

4)Governemtts should act when it is obvious that something heeds to be done. This is a good example.
reply: No. This is a obvious example of Governemtts that Don't Heed. :D

5)Thank goodness these creatures are off our streets.
reply: No they aren't. The bill hasn't passed. Even if it had, they are not required to be off the streets, just muzzled...Heck, get Mikey to explain it to you, -if he can? :confused: He doesn't seem to get it himself. :rolleyes:

6) (The last one I'll have to find to quote directly. This person wanted owners to be allowed to keep their dogs, but the dogs could Never be allowed out of the house! Not even into their Own Yard. :eek: (It's not like this person actually wants to run your life & your back yard, or anything! :rolleyes: ) Great! I hope a person like that moves into the next-door condo of the person who suggested this idea with 8 dogs. Enjoy the smell!)

Amazing the ignorance about this out there. Well owning the largest pit bull on this board or anywhere since I was told that my pit bull should be muzzled this weekend by an other well educated disciple of Michael Bryant. I think education is something that is sadly missing from this whole sad BSL ban. I am sure that the petition started by the guy who works for MB has a lot of those types on it. I could take a petition to an area where there is not a lot of english spoken and get lots of names on it too, but I thought part of the anti bsl was to educate I guess the idea of bsl is not to educate but work of scare tactics instead as you know the government much perfers when you don't have a clue and just agree with them.

Although we truely can't judge a person's opinion on dogs based on their ethnicity/culture/religion....I have spoken to many muslim people that tell me that they have to wash their hands ten times after they touch a dog..and that dogs are extremely 'unclean'...that they hate dogs and think they shouldn't be around people...I think it might even be mentioned in their holy book (about dogs)... (I also find this funny because its scientifically been studied and proven that a dog's mouth is ten times cleaner than a human's mouth...)

I've received alot of negative comments from the muslim community...but I won't judge all muslim people because I also know a few that actually do like my dog..and although my experience with certain people of a certain cultural or religious groups haven't exactly been positive...if we're to say that ALL muslims (for example) hate dogs, we'd be painting each and every person that is of the muslim faith with the same brush (and isn't that what people are doing to our dogs?)...

But again, with that said, if the muslim religion, for example, does state that dogs are dirty and that you can't touch them or whatever..well personally I find that to be a little unfair and very hurtful, and it does offend me...I would appreciate if people kept their religious comments/beliefs to themselves...because I love dogs..and I have alot of problems with certain religious beliefs, but I don't go up to people and tell them how much I hate this, or how I can't talk to this person because he's _____ or ______. That's just stupid...and that's how we cause wars and all that junk in the first place. There is too much ignorance and too much tension between ethnic/religious groups in Toronto from what I see. I see alot of "grouping" of ethnic groups, and it creates ignorance and misunderstandings....I get alot of dirty looks from muslims, and my boyfriend is an Indian. I've had an older lady give me a dirty look and shake her head because I was walking down the street with my boyfriend, holding his hand...

I dunno..this is getting off topic..but to sum it all up, I do think that a person's cultural background or religious background does have an influence on their outlook.....whether it be animal rights/freedoms, gay marriage, etc...its very sad, especially since as far as I know, every religion believes that animals are also the creation of God, and need to be treated with respect.

Ok..I'm gonna slip right off my soap box now. :o

It's funny you bring up the muslims. My cousin always wanted a dog, and always loved dogs. He later converted for the girl he eventually married. He's now what I call a "born again" muslim. I'll have to ask him about that.

I don't think anyone is trying to disparrage any particular ethnic group. I think the point being made is that those who are signing the petition have issues with dogs in general. It's a commentary on the whole issue and the liberals.

I have Muslim friends with dogs and they say it has nothing to do with their religion.

I have Muslim friends with dogs and they say it has nothing to do with their religion.

I have heard that before, though, that there are some people who do not own dogs because they are considered "unclean", but I don't remember if it was a certain ethnicity or religion. I thought it was muslim, but I could be wrong (I've had muslim friends who drink, and that's a big no-no. Of course, that could be said about any religion).

Certain Orthodox Jews and Muslems believe that dogs are unclean.

What is the name of this country we live in ? It is called Canada I think . Our government "allows" immigration by just about anyone from countries all over the world . There are many different cultures that have to mingle and get along .
I will use 2 randomly chosen countries to make my point .
If I go to Saudi Arabia I accept the fact that if I drink alcohol I will go to jail . That is no open to debate . I am free to go home if I need a drink provided I do not get caught with alcohol in my briefcase .
If I go to China I most likely cannot influence their government to allow much in the way of freedom of speech if I don't like that policy I am free to leave as long as I don't express my views in public .
I could go on but I think I have said enough and if this offends anyone , hey this is Canada and I am allowed to state my opinion .... at least for now

seeker...well said..and you're also free (or dang well should be) to own whatever darn breed of dog you want..and if someone doesn't like it..lol well

"GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY THEN!"

haha

It's all in the interpretation. If you want the religious "tome" to say animals are unclean - you can find it. If you don't want to believe that and want to think all of Alla's or God's creations are blessed - you can find stuff to support that too. Dogs are unclean but you can drink and cheat, ok. Dogs are clean but you can NOT drink and cheat, or dogs are clean but you can't drink or cheat etc.

Try checking out the bible one day, you can support all kinds of crazy beliefs if that is what you want. Or you can chose the milder parts to support a more open minded or animal oriented world.

The racist and small minded behavior on this forum never ceases to amaze me. You lose alot of supporters that way. I myself am 100 % against BSL, but I am cauious as I do not want to be aligned with any of that behaviour.

What exactly are you trying to say??? It's not clear. They should go to jail for voicing their opinions? Or what? Please explain, I am confused.
What is the name of this country we live in ? It is called Canada I think . Our government "allows" immigration by just about anyone from countries all over the world . There are many different cultures that have to mingle and get along .
I will use 2 randomly chosen countries to make my point .
If I go to Saudi Arabia I accept the fact that if I drink alcohol I will go to jail . That is no open to debate . I am free to go home if I need a drink provided I do not get caught with alcohol in my briefcase .
If I go to China I most likely cannot influence their government to allow much in the way of freedom of speech if I don't like that policy I am free to leave as long as I don't express my views in public .
I could go on but I think I have said enough and if this offends anyone , hey this is Canada and I am allowed to state my opinion .... at least for now

we're not being racist or discriminational. It seems that everyone that complains about that just decides to skim over everything else we're saying and focus on one single sentence that may have that tiny tingle of stereotyping..and lets face it folks..its impossible to avoid...we're all human.

With that being said, i hope that comment wasn't directed towards me. I'm a very sarcastic and easy going person...with my first post in this thread, I very clearly mentioned that although I have received alot of negative comments from muslim people, I will not paint all muslims with the same brush. I hope you did read that part. As for my last comment. I was joking..hence the HA...HA...

I hope that cleared things up for you. I find this forum to be very welcoming and open minded..and the people here are very helpful and kind, so I'm not sure where you're getting the "The racist and small minded behavior on this forum never ceases to amaze me" comment from. :confused:

But tolerance is a 2 way street. :angel:

I know many Muslim women were offended when McGuinty suggested bringing in Sharia Law into the Ontario court system. A lot of women said they came Here to get away from that system. (But that idea struck me as So far off the beaten path...! :confused: )

The Liberal Power base has always depended on their 'liberal' immigration policies. In the 50's, 60's & 70's the Liberal party depended on recent immigrants from S. Europe. After several generations, people looked for their own ideals in politics & joined other parties. I guess the Middle & Far Eastern new Canadians, & other large blocks of recent immigramts may be the new Liberal power base. I've noticed this too in other attitude changes from Liberal government agencies & their policies.

Bringing up that muslim's signed the pro-BSL petition is not racist. It is merely pointing out that there are many individuals who are for the petition for other reasons than the fact they are against pitbulls. For example, they are Liberals, so they want to see thier party succeed, or they have religious views which do not support the ownership of any dog. You can argue whether that is a valid point or not, but that is hardly racist.

The racist and small minded behavior on this forum never ceases to amaze me. You lose alot of supporters that way. I myself am 100 % against BSL, but I am cauious as I do not want to be aligned with any of that behaviour.
If you read all of these posts they all prefaced them saying they were giving examples. Or are you just reading what you want and ignoring the rest.
My personal opinion is that the bible while a great work of fiction can be adapted to support absolutely anything from cheating to stealing it is all about the way you interpert it. So when you hear everybody quoting from the bible you kind of wonder if we all read the same one. No different religions have different bibles. So what makes the Christian bible better than anyone elses.

no I don't think any of this is racist in the slightest. Is multiculturalism, & pride in your heritage a great thing-Yes! Is a cultural mosaic better than a melting pot-Yes! Does being a minority give me/you the right to dump on another minority-No! Should we ban dogs from public places, demand that all women be covered from head to foot, stop women driving, voting or working, ban alcohol, & bring in stronger censorship because a very small minority, within a larger minority wants that? If I said , "No" would that be racist? :confused:

I've seen governments on all levels chase voters with money for cultural events, recreational facilities, heritage language classes both in & out of school, for the last 50+ years. Was equal funding for separate schools just about fairness, or about votes? IMHO, probably both. Will we see funding for other religious based education? It wouldn't surprise me at all. Should we install a separate civil & justice system for evey minority & religious group in the country that feels they need one? If i were to say, "No" would i be racist? :confused:

If i were to say i believe in separation of church & state while living in Canada it would be a viewpoint. If I were to say that in another country it would be both treason, &/or :evil: heresy & I would be punished 'appropriately".

Do I believe the Prov. Liberal Government is pandering shamelessly to get re-elected? (After this 1st year, they had better find Somebody :crazy: Anybody to vote for them a 2nd. time!)

...demand that all women be covered from head to foot, stop women driving...

Can we pick and choose which ones?

I'm just saying...

What exactly are you trying to say??? It's not clear. They should go to jail for voicing their opinions? Or what? Please explain, I am confused.

No I am not saying anything of the sort , Incase you missed it I said Canada is a "FREE" Country . That means free to immigrate or emmigrate as you please , free to voice your opinion , free to vote as you please , free to work or not work , free to drink or not drink , free to worship or not worship , free to move away from you lousey neighbour if you like , free to choose what type of car, house, spouse, free to be gay or not and up until now free to choose what type of dog you own.
In my post I listed 2 countries where many of those freedoms are not allowed there are many others that are as harsh or worse than those . It was my wish to point out that people from suppressed countries are free to live here but damit have a bit of repect for the people that you moved in beside . Because it was their country before it was yours .
My ancestors fought to create this country my grandfather and uncles fought to keep it free . Free enough that other people from not so free countries could come here and be free .
NOT TO COME HERE AND TAKE OVER .

Thanks for clarifying.
It was my wish to point out that people from suppressed countries are free to live here but damit have a bit of repect for the people that you moved in beside . Because it was their country before it was yours .
My ancestors fought to create this country my grandfather and uncles fought to keep it free . Free enough that other people from not so free countries could come here and be free .
NOT TO COME HERE AND TAKE OVER .