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Please Help Leppy

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 12:35 PM
My sister has a 10 year old cat that two weeks ago exhibited kidney problems. He was able to urinate, but he hurt and the urine turned the kitty litter white. He has a bump near his bottom and is sore. We started warm compresses and he seemed better. Over Thanksgiving he started not drinking, but still trying to urinate with nothing coming out. He still keeps trying, but is in pain and is getting weaker. She thought he died a couple of times, but got up. She has started giving him water with a syringe.

She had another cat that was put down with kidney problems just a month earlier. Can this be a virus that was caught by this kitty? My mother also lives with her and is very sick and on a lot of medication. She did drop Lasix around this time and her son also bleached his hair around this time and we suspected him licking the solution. We don't know we are just brainstorming.

Sneaky2006
November 27th, 2004, 12:41 PM
Has she taken him to the vet? Males are prone to becoming blocked and needing surgery to correct.... vet trip asap if you haven't already.

Lucky Rescue
November 27th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Who diagnosed kidney problems?

If this cat is blocked, and that is quite possible - he is in EXTREME pain and will die in agony.

HE MUST GO TO THE VET RIGHT THIS MINUTE.

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 04:49 PM
We just assumed it was kidney since he wasn't urinating and the other cat died with it. My sister's vet doesn't take emergency calls and she doesn't have money for an ER visit. Where she is it is very expensive, but we don't want him to suffer. Is there anything that will ease pain in cats. She went on line and was going to give him some herbal remedies that they suggested that were safe for cats.

chico2
November 27th, 2004, 04:54 PM
Sorry jgttime,this cat is suffering horribly,there is nothing you can do...HE needs a vet yesterday,worry about the money afterwards,he might not even need surgery,but he needs help now!!!

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 05:02 PM
There is no way to worry about money later. They won't even see your pet unless you pay. She would take him in a heartbeat if they would work with you.

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 05:09 PM
All she can do is what we are doing. Keep giving him liquids by syringe, using teatree oil on the bottom (teatree absorbes impurities) and try to keep him comfortable until her vet is back on Monday. My mother used to give our animals baby aspirin. Is that a possibility?

Sneaky2006
November 27th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Giving him liquids is not going to help him if he's blocked. And I believe you cannot give aspirin to cats, please don't.

badger
November 27th, 2004, 05:33 PM
Imagine your own pain in this situation. Can you not borrow the money? Put it on a credit card? You are not only killing this cat, you are killing US with your prevaricating. We're used to it, but the cat is COUNTING ON YOU. No external treatment will help at this point. Only the VET can help.

twinmommy
November 27th, 2004, 05:39 PM
the dosage that an animal can tolerate is so small per pound, we would have to precisely cut the tablet into....something stupid like 22 pieces!!! PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ANY ASPIRIN, NOT BABY ASPIRIN EITHER!! It is tough on his heart and if he is already in kidney failure.....don't "play vet".

twinmommy
November 27th, 2004, 05:41 PM
by the way, where are you located?

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 06:16 PM
My sister is in Security, Colorado, USA ....it breaks my heart ....there is nothing we can do.......we can't help him.....there are a few of you out there who apparently have never been in this position and are judgemental. I pray you always have money and credit cards and vets that will work with you or you will face this sooner or later. People say that being a responsible pet owner is to have money for emergencies, but when you have an animal for 10 to 20 years (as my kitty is) you cannot predict what life deals you. I commend my sister for not jeopardizing her home as she takes care of our mother who is wheelchair and oxygen bound. She did not plan this avenue for her life this is what was delt to her and we will deal with it as best we can.

louie's mum
November 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM
i'm sorry if this sounds 'judgemental' but if this started 2 bloody weeks ago, why wouldn't she have seen her regular vet during regular biz hours when she could work something out with the vet?
this cat is now in crisis and i'm sure in extreme pain. i ended up in the hospital for 8 days after a fast moving infection struck me and i only had trouble peeing for about a day and a half. the spike in blood pressure threatened to put me into shock and kill me if the pain didn't.
beg or borrow the money.

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 07:09 PM
He seemed fine after the episode two weeks ago..playing, eating doing his regular routine. Its only during the USA holiday that lasts for four days that he took ill again and it came on quickly. We know the pain he is in but unless you are volunteering YOUR money, tell us something we don't already know. That's what I mean by judgemental..all talk but no help. Maybe prayer will work where money canot. If for nothing else you could offer prayers for Leppy.

twinmommy
November 27th, 2004, 07:17 PM
Sorry if some of us are harsh, but it is torture to read about animals in pain that are not getting the help they deserve. Can you not afford at least to have the animal seen, and perhaps given some medication for pain while you further assess finances? People here really have your animals best interest at heart...let's not lose sight of what's important in needless self justification. I know it is not fun to thik about going into debt, but I ask you to create for yourself a set of circumstances that you WOULD go into debt--no questions asked--and then compare those circumstances to what going on here with your true blue furry friend.
I don't mean to play with your emotions, but I think you know the answer in your heart.

DogueLover
November 27th, 2004, 07:43 PM
I can see where money may be tight for your sister but for heaven`s sake that poor animal could die by Monday!
I cannot imagine the pain, a friend of mine had a problem with her bladder in the beginning of her pregnancy and had to have a catheder put in so that she did not end up with her bladder bursting and jeopardizing both her health and that of her unborn child.
What can you do ? Take the animal to the vet or sit back and keep posting us on how much sicker and how much in pain he is until he dies.
You have obviously never had an infection that caused you excruciating pain because if you had there would not be a problem with finding the money for this poor animal.

Your sister better hope that the local humane society doesn`t get wind of this story,,,,, this is a clear case of animal cruelty and neglect. She knows the animal is sick but won`t take it to get it some help.

If she wants to be that irresponsible then maybe she should call the local shelter and surrender the cat to them so that it can be helped and find a new home. :mad:

Lucky Rescue
November 27th, 2004, 07:47 PM
Your sister better hope that the local humane society doesn`t get wind of this story

Denying medical care to a suffering animal is not only immoral and unethical, it's also ILLEGAL.

Yes, take the poor cat to the humane society. At least they wont' let him suffer.

I hope if your sister ever gets gallstones or kidney stones that no one lets her suffer and die while denying any kind of care because they don't want to pay for it.

twinmommy
November 27th, 2004, 07:49 PM
why don't YOU try prayer the next time you need antibiotics, analgesics possibly surgery and/or medical attention. :mad:

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 08:48 PM
I am sorry you don't know our situation. Yes I do know pain (120 mg morphine and vicodin) and I do pray for no matter how much money I throw at it will make it go away and I do know the financial situation and there isn't even a way to go in debt. The ER WILL NOT TAKE YOU UNLESS YOU PAY. Credit cards do not drop from heaven and there is no one to borrow from. We just wanted to know how to keep him comfortable until Monday, yes he might be gone by then, but that is out of our control. PLEASE PLEASE REPORT HIMTO THE HUMANE SOCIETY! IF THATWILL SAVE HIM YOU HAVE A MORAL OBBLIGATION TO DO SO.... I wish only the best for everyone here, but you are insane.

badger
November 27th, 2004, 09:28 PM
Nope. We're realists. There are alot of experienced people on this board and they've given you the straight goods. What on earth did you expect? Believe it or not, you have our sympathy for your situation, but sympathy will not help your cat.

Writing4Fun
November 27th, 2004, 09:35 PM
PLEASE PLEASE REPORT HIMTO THE HUMANE SOCIETY! IF THATWILL SAVE HIM YOU HAVE A MORAL OBBLIGATION TO DO SO
And where does your moral obligation fit in?

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 10:03 PM
I would like to know what on this earth makes you the great know it all?

jgttime
November 27th, 2004, 10:07 PM
Is it taking you this long to figure out what brain your or are you just looking
one to use, or maybe you don't know as much as thing you know.

twinmommy
November 27th, 2004, 11:30 PM
I'm not sure if you understand. This is a thread for pets. Short of begging on behalf of the poor cat, there is obviously not much we can do to convince you. You obviously knew that vetcare was impossible (in your mind) from the beginning, so what did you want to accomplish by posting? I'm sure you are angry and stressed...but this is not about you, it's about your cat. Yes please if need be, call the humane society on yourselves--if it means the cat gets help and stop wasting time!!! :mad:

CyberKitten
November 27th, 2004, 11:32 PM
Re: ER WILL NOT TAKE YOU UNLESS YOU PAY.

There are a variety of ER clinics in Colorado. Surely you can get to one of them. And if you do read online, several will treat the cat and ask for payment later. So why are you even arguing about this?

If you do know pain (and I do too, I have seen children in pain with bladder infections and fortunately they can tell us before they become too ill) You must know that pain in a small being - because it increases BP, temp and the affects the electrolytes can eventually kill!!!

You have my attention and while I feel for your sister's situation, she accepted the responsibiluty of a cat and now must help this kitty. (And keeping the cat in pain is immorally and illegal).

I started out reading your posts as unjudgementally as possible but the more I read, the more frustrated you made me. I have a neighbour and close friend who spends the winter in Boulder, Col and she tells me they have great vet clinics there. No vet will turn you down! (You must think we are stupid, sigh!)

chico2
November 28th, 2004, 08:19 AM
jgttime,I am not sure what kind of advice you expected from us,most of us here have had multiple cats/dogs all our lives.
25yrs ago I had a wonderful Maine Coon cat,out of ignorance I did not realize he was sick until,he would not let me touch him anymore....
By then the only kind thing to do was to put him down and I'll remember it for the rest of my life....never,ever will that happen again :sad:
Your g/f's cat will die and it is not going to be quick or painless :sad:
If there is no other options,bringing him to a shelter to be humanely euthanized :sad: might be the only way.....
Your g/f probably loves her cat and is hoping for a miracle-cure,but with a blockage and possible stones,it is just not going to happen :sad:
Giving him more water,will only increase his pain....

Writing4Fun
November 28th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Is it taking you this long to figure out what brain your or are you just looking one to use, or maybe you don't know as much as thing you know.
LOL! Ok, I admit, I'm no Mensa member. But judging by the sentence structure in your reply, I'm thinking we have a serious "pot 'n' kettle" situation here!

I don't know as much as I think I know? I had to have my dog euthenized two years ago because she was suffering, so I know plenty about the agony of making that decision.

You came on here and asked for help. Everyone gave you their opinion that the cat is suffering horribly and needs to see a vet or at least be humanely euthenized. There's really nothing else anyone can say to you at this point, since you obviously don't want to hear it anyway.

I'm seriously starting to wonder if "jgttime" doesn't stand for "jolly good trollin' time". :mad:

jgttime
November 28th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I am very sorry it was so late and I had been on the phone all day with my sister and crying most of the day (we are 2000 miles apart). I apologize to everyone in the world. None of you know what's been going on in our lives as a family. Leppy getting sick is only a drop in the bucket, but due to advice from other sites (especially catenema.com -I gave my cat an emema - which gave a cute illustration and funny story on giving a cat an enema without going to the vet which gave advice along with a break from the heaviness; and a site that offered homeopathic remedies to try and a site that sent up a circle of prayers for him) he's actually better. After using teatree oil, the swelling on his bottom is going away and you can see the anal opening. She isn't going to try the enema quite yet because he is very insistent on just doing his routine and not be messed with (she is taking his lead) and she will contact the vet first thing tomorrow morning.

I don't know much about the places in Boulder, CO, or for that fact about the facilities in the state of Colorado. All I know is that she had just faced the same situation a month ago with her other cat when she had to rush him to the vet ER (again he got sick when her dr was not on duty). They offered either $700 in tests and he will probably die from kidney disease or $250 to put him down - cash up front. She had to put him down and now its happening again. I don't think things have changed since then and if Leppy was going to be put down her vet comes to the house so they are in their surroundings. But he is doing better and that is a blessing. He's my mom's lap cat.

chico2
November 28th, 2004, 04:14 PM
Jgttime,I hope for his sake you are right,please let us know what happens at the vet...an enema as far as I know,would go in the other way,right? It would have nothing to do with a blockage of the urinal tract?
Is he peeing in his box??
I feel for your mom and sister,but even more so for the cat,so please let us know what happens tomorrow. :sad:

Lucky Rescue
November 28th, 2004, 05:47 PM
I'm sure every person on this board has had trouble and hard times - I know I sure have. We do NOT use that as an excuse to allow an innocent animal to suffer.

No vet charges 250$ to euthanize an animal and no one has to be a "great know it all" to see that an animal is suffering and do what is necessary to stop that suffering. If a person is not able or willing to do that, they should STOP OWNING PETS.

TEA TREE OIL IS TOXIC TO CATS.

DogueLover
November 28th, 2004, 06:13 PM
I agree with you Lucky, on a number of points here.
I have yet to hear of a vet charging that much to euthanize a cat or any pet for that matter.
As for the tea tree oil thing, well maybe she is trying to do him in so she can avoid vet bills of any sort. I know that hard times come to everyone, but if it is that bad and the money isn`t there then do not keep getting pets you do not intend to look after.

I just don`t understand why people come on here for advice and then jump all over the same people they came to for advice when they don`t hear what they want to. Like all of us who are responsible for our pets are going to sit back and condone behavior that is cruel and irresponsible. OMGosh, what did she expect?

Lucky Rescue
November 28th, 2004, 06:36 PM
OMGosh, what did she expect?

I guess that we could diagnose and somehow treat this poor cat with free home remedies over the internet.

We see this anger over and over and over, along with tons of excuses as to why this animal must continue to suffer, and "You don't know me" etc etc...

I don't see how knowing someone would make us think it's all right to deny an animal medical care...I would reply the same way if this were my brother, in fact I'd be a lot harsher.

All we need to know is:

An animal is suffering
It's your responsibility
Something must be done.

Period.

twinmommy
November 28th, 2004, 07:34 PM
I am sad to see that this poor cat is still suffering....but it's owners have proved to be so ignorant, I am hoping for a quick passing. As painful as it will be for this poor animal, and I shudder to think of the pain, at least the poor thing will be rid of these horrible inhumane people, and their pathetic excuses.

jgttime, I'm sorry that I cannot convince you to be more humane. "One day, you too will be judged...".hopefully whoever does the judging read these posts !!!!

Sorry, but this disgusts me....

Karin
November 28th, 2004, 08:05 PM
I have followed this post and bit my tongue. I do not have the restraint that LR and all others have to offer.

But!


Aside from a urinary blockage that needs immediate attention..giving an enema to a cat is not ever recommended! This can be fatal...most vet's even look for other avenues than an enema...felines are so different than canines.
Mineral oil slowly in small amounts (under anesthesia, try doing this while the cat is awake..lol) with a syringe and then using a small finger evacuating & working loose the stool. This, most vets leave to the techs, which can do this but most vet techs tend to leave the boss off of the Christmas card list that year. No joke intended but it is the "real world". This is only in extreme cases.
As far as a emergency vet bill for this cat...yes, they will need money up front. If she is not an established client of record who will bank on her? Vets pay high dollar for their education, unless they offer free care they need to be paid. If a pet owner is in good standing, meaning good pet care the vet always extends credit, even in an emergency the overnight Pet ER here will call the pet's vet to verify. An animal that has no vet care will recieve the same with an emergency.
Also, it is not illegal to not treat a sick animal in Florida. Abuse is illegal.

DogueLover
November 28th, 2004, 08:29 PM
Does anyone know where this girl is from? I mean she says that she and her sister are 2000 miles apart and she spent all day on the phone............ if you cannot afford vet care at all, how the hell do you have the money to spend all day on the phone???
I think this is a matter of misplaced priorities. If I knew what her sister`s name was I would phone the humane society and report her.

This makes me so mad, I cannot believe the ignorance of some people.

She says she knows pain as well, then lists the medications she is on, to make her understand the pain the cat is feeling I say go as many days without her meds as they have made that poor cat suffer........ THEN she can say she knows pain. :mad:

louie's mum
November 28th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Does anyone know where this girl is from? I mean she says that she and her sister are 2000 miles apart and she spent all day on the phone............ if you cannot afford vet care at all, how the hell do you have the money to spend all day on the phone???

excellent point D.L. :mad: