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Full Debate from Monday night.

Schwinn
November 17th, 2004, 09:43 AM
Debate (http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/house_debates/38_parl/Session1/L085B.htm#P74_2929)

There is an entire hansard dedicated just to this debate.

Schwinn
November 17th, 2004, 11:52 AM
Phew! Just finished reading it (I do it between phone calls at work...and no, I don't have anything better to do).

One thing that kept jumping out was the number of times the liberals referred to the support they receive from editorials across the province. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that more newspapers were against it than for it. Anyone who has a link to an editorial going against it, I would suggest sending it to opposition members. They love standing up and pointing out the "facts" that are inaccurate as told by the liberals!

Luvmypit
November 17th, 2004, 02:48 PM
I found these anti pit bull ban articles. I know there are more I just can't find them.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1098741009611&call_pageid=970599109774&col=Columnist969907626796%20%20http://www.rabble.ca&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/09/02/pf-612648.html

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Linda_Williamson/2004/10/18/673629.html

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/09/01/610952.html

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/09/05/616652.html

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Gary_Dunford/2004/10/17/672735.html



Not mention Pulse24's stand on this issue!

mastifflover
November 17th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Mr Peter Kormos (Niagara Centre): I'm going to be having the floor in around 10 minutes' time for the leadoff on behalf of the New Democratic Party and I'm looking forward to it.

I am incredibly concerned about the manner and style with which the government has pursued this particular legislative endeavour, a level of hysteria that, I tell you, is not becoming of the Attorney General and the government members.

New Democrats are as eager as anybody in this Legislature -- and I, quite frankly, would not accept anybody pointing a finger and suggesting that somehow anybody here, whether it's a Conservative, a New Democrat or a Liberal, hasn't got an interest in protecting people against attacks by vicious, dangerous animals. But we take great quarrel with the observation that if you're not for the bill, then you must somehow be for attacks by dogs on kids. Bull feathers, rot, garbage. What an embarrassing stance for the government to take.

New Democrats have been very clear: Let's see the evidence, let's hear from the experts, because so far we've heard the hyperbole that's written by the minions in the backroom, sitting at their PCs, crafting the spin-doctoring statements and press releases. Let's hear from the Canadian veterinary association; let's hear from the SPCA. Let's hear from experts in animal breeding about the nature of dogs and the history of dogs; let's hear from the American expertise, because, quite frankly, I have scoured the available research and found little of any substance to date that supports the government's approach to this very serious issue of breed-specific banning. I found scarce support for that.

This is far too important an issue. Shame on members who would create law on the basis of emotion and fears that have been fabricated and victims who have been exploited. Let's do it on the basis of science and reason, please.
Wow these guy has been reading his emails and doing some research. Dies anybody have the link for the abuse they suffer to make them fight. I think it is a devine link an MPP that I wrote emailed me that he would like to view it

mastifflover
November 17th, 2004, 03:02 PM
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/comment/story.html?id=e6bebad1-5b87-4a20-910c-d4385e85f18d&page=2
This is the National Post article

Schwinn
November 17th, 2004, 04:58 PM
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/comment/story.html?id=e6bebad1-5b87-4a20-910c-d4385e85f18d&page=2
This is the National Post article

Didn't work :(

mastifflover
November 17th, 2004, 05:01 PM
oops story no longer available sorry

babyrocky1
November 17th, 2004, 07:12 PM
Mastifflover is this the site you mean?? http://www.deviantart.com/view/11454716/ thats cool that an mpp wants to see it, its a really good video and has a good insight into the problem.

Akeeter
November 17th, 2004, 09:27 PM
I missed it yesterday. (It's actually a Good Read!) :)

What i don't understand is the number of local goverments who are initiating BSL, & their local newspaper polls indicate that at least the people who reponded to the poll dont support BSL?-By a long shot! :confused:

Schwinn
November 17th, 2004, 10:34 PM
I think it's too much a matter of "Are you for the victims, or the dogs that did the damage?" I also think that you are starting to see, more and more, municipalities are going to find it tougher to enact BSL's.