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How old were you when you stopped believing in Santa Claus?

Sneaky2006
November 16th, 2004, 10:36 PM
I have to ask this question, even though I may not like what I hear. My son is 8 now and he still believes in Santa, even though some kids from school keep telling him otherwise. I don't even know how old I was but I think I was way older than 8, and even then, my dad slipped... that was the only reason I found out... nobody told me and crushed my beliefs on purpose.
My husband thinks it's wise to tell him after this Christmas so he won't be teased in school, he thinks he should know by now. But then if we tell him there's no Santa (god, saying that breaks my heart!) then there's no Easter Bunny, or Tooth Fairy either.... So what do you think? And how old were you, and your kids when you/they stopped believing?

CyberKitten
November 16th, 2004, 10:41 PM
I hate to admit it but I had these really practical parents who would talk about Sanata but were obvious about his not really being a real living person. So I'd have to say by 4 or 5, I knew Santa was a "concept". That said, I loved Miracle on 34th Street (not sure if that is the right st. no., lol)

I'd be inclined to tell him. He can still have fun with it anyway - get gifts from Santa etc. I knew the tooth fairy was not real either but I still put my teeth under my pillow and the money appeared the nex day, lol

moontamara
November 16th, 2004, 11:30 PM
What do you mean Santa's not real???????? :eek: :eek: :eek:


:sad:

I was pretty young too, but it was mostly that I figured it out. One of our dogs was a Christmas puppy when I was 5. Santa supposedly named him Toby, but a couple years later when we were discussing our new cat's name, my mom mentioned that my dad was good at picking names. "You picked Toby's name," she said to my dad. And then there was an uncomfortable silence.

melanie
November 16th, 2004, 11:30 PM
well i found from about 7yo onward they have a good idea that it is not real but are not totally sure, i guarentee someone in school has already suggested it to him. my 10yo nephew fakes believing in santa so he can get good presents i reckon, he just acts real coy when he talks about santa, like im an idiot. he was told at school at 7 by another kid but we told him that ppl believe different things so santa is what we believe in at xmas. but he really does know, btu he has a baby sister so we have made him carry on with the pretnding for her sake, and he will till she is at least 5.

my sister and i were discussing this the other day, and the concept of raising a child to know the truth from day dot, when we think about it realistically it is like we are saying to our kids, 'well you cnat take candy from strangers but if he is in red sure its ok', we also tell them that 'no one should enter the house uninvited yet we tell them that a man is allowed to cruise around the house once a year', not to mention the flying reindeer. which of course led to the silly realisation that we also tell our children that there is a giant bunny out there who delivers chocolate seems a bit silly to me now.

we have decided when we have kids we will explain st nick and the true story about kindness and sharing gifts, and that it is a celebration of family and sharing, we dont want them to grow up believing in santa. do you think that is harsh?? i odnt, it would be done in a nice manner and we would use the idea of santa to promote kindness and charity instead of blind faith in the old bloke that was invented by coke. we would focus on the true and lovely story of an old man who wanted to help kiddies be happy, charitable and kindness.

do you think that is awful, we dont, we think it is realistic and a better way of doing it but it would be interesting to see what you think :D

moontamara
November 16th, 2004, 11:34 PM
I totally understand what you mean, Melanie -- but I absolutely loved believing in Santa Claus. I'm so glad my parents let me have that, and I will do the same for my kids. I still get convinced a little when I watch some of those sappy Christmas movies.... :love:

melanie
November 16th, 2004, 11:41 PM
santa is everywhere so it would not be possible to exclude him entirely, but they will know it is not real, just a time of celebration and that santa is the face of that based on a story of a kind and lovely person. i can still be taken away in fantasy in a fairy garden, i know they are not real but i cna pretend for a while, so it is sort of like that. :D :crazy:

not to mention what my mum said- we tell them not to talk to strangers, dont touch strangers but if he is dressed in red it is ok to go and sit on his lap and get lollies, it just scares me to a certain extent.

but i see what you say, it will be interesting to see what we do in the end of it all. i wonder how it will go, :D

and i still have my santa fantasies, i cannot miss any christmas movies, i get obsessed with them at that time of year but it is all jsut fantasy, but boy do i love xmas movies :D

Sneaky2006
November 16th, 2004, 11:56 PM
I think the whole concept of Santa shouldn't be involved with strangers. The idea of the real Santa, if you can call it that is that he's never seen. He leaves toys for you while you're sleeping and that's it. But I do understand your concern, after all, anything can happen.

The year I found out, it was Christmas morning and Santa had left my sister and I some new shoes with cute little dress up bracelets in them, well I got two bracelets in mine and my sister had none and my mom said that she thinks one of them should've been my sisters. Later that morning my dad asked me if I was happy with everything and I said yes of course and then he said yeah, the only mistake we made was with the bracelets. I was so crushed! I just don't want it to be even close to that for my son. I know he truely believes and I am not going to ruin that... at least not for now.
Besides National Lampoons Christmas Vacation, my Favorite Christmas movie is The Santa Clause... I love it... the whole spirit of Santa, ya can't beat it.

melanie
November 17th, 2004, 12:04 AM
oh my darlin, what an awful way to find out, parents always have a way of putting a foot in the mouth, we did a similar thing last year when santa had wrapped the presents without marking them, so we had to feel and guess what was what, the little fellow opend one of his sisters presents from santa, we jsut told him santa was probably tired form all the work and got a bit mixed up, he seemed to take it but there was a very knowing glint in his eye :love: :D . my big sister made sure we knew the truth really early when she started school. :rolleyes: (but then she told me the truth about alot of things before i was the right age for them, ruddy sisters :D )

krdahmer
November 17th, 2004, 01:05 AM
I must have been about eight or nine when "Santa" forgot to fill our stockings. Mom sent us upstairs, but I sneaked a peak and saw her filling them up. I figured out the whole deal and was happy to declare to my little brother (three years younger) that there was no Santa...and all the stuff comes from Mom and Dad. Really we weren't all that traumatized, cause we knew that we still got the stuff, and we could be much more specific now, knowing that 'Santa' indeed was not all that busy and really only had us two kids to buy for! Ever since, we have had the big dinner on Christmas Eve and opened our gifts after dessert. That way we all get to sleep in on Christmas Day, and although not a factor at the time, it works out great for us having spouses now whose families still celebrate on Christmas Day.

Oh great now I'm feelin all Christmassy...it is by far my favorite holiday, especially now that I'm not at the stupid casino stuck working with all the degenerate gamblers!! :D

squarejane
November 17th, 2004, 02:08 AM
oooh that's a doozy. my daughter is now 6 and every year she still believes is a gift. last year she asked me if he actually was real, as she said she had heard at school that he didn't... i asked her if she wanted to believe in magic. she said "YES!" so i said, "oh the magic of santa is very real!" this way, it's not really a lie and she got the subtle msg. i could see it in her eyes that she was piecing it together but only as far as she wanted to see the reality of it. i figure this way, she'll know when she's ready to know but then won't be angry at me that i "lied".

Bugsy
November 17th, 2004, 03:01 AM
I was about 6 years old when my brother (7 years older) told me he didn't exist. :evil: My parents were big on the Santy Claus thing...
My dad got dressed up (just in case we woke up and caught him) and put gifts under the tree. They even did the milk and cookies thing. Christmas morning the tree always had presents under it and the cookies where always gone. That year I remember being so disappointed because I didn't get the "dolly carriage" I wanted. Well... my mom told me I hadn't gotten it because I stopped believing :sad:....and that only if you believe in Santa will he really exist. Of course I spent the better part of Christmas day regretting that I didn't believe .... and when we got back from my aunt's place, there it was.... the "dolly carriage" :D

Parents gotta :love: em...
I believed in him for a couple of more years after that.

Even if Santa doesn't exist ..we still have the Easter Bunny right? :p

jackieb
November 17th, 2004, 06:32 AM
Think i believed in Santa till 10 my sister little girl was only 9 when she stopped beliving she found out through kids at school.

Not sure on this one i wouldnt want to ruin there christmas by telling them 8 is still quite young but it depends on the child and the school i guess.

Make the most of the magic im going to with my boys till they find out he doesnt exist.

schnauzerlove
November 17th, 2004, 07:08 AM
Christmas is the MOST magical time for children. I still remember that feeling of trying to get to sleep on Christmas Eve, before Santa arrived. To this day (I'm 40), my mother will NOT admit to me there is no Santa!

My son is now 9. He has heard on many occasions (from kids at school) that there is no Santa and I think in his heart he knows it's true. But, he chooses to believe and to continue with the magic. As long as he wants the magic to continue, it will!!

Just remember those magical feels you had as a child. You have them for only a few years. IMHO, I think you should keep the magic alive for as long as you can!!

BMDLuver
November 17th, 2004, 07:46 AM
I think I was about 9 when I was finally convinced by school mates that he didn't exist. Every year, my uncle would run around the house at 10pm with an old pair of sleigh bells. I would hear the sound and race to bed. I continued that tradition with neighbourhood kids I babysat for many years. We will do the same for our kids this year. There's nothing better than the magical belief in Santa. Brings back such fond memories.

Sneaky2006
November 17th, 2004, 07:54 AM
This is great, I see most of you are on the same pages as us!
Oh mel, Santa too tired to mark presents... I have heard that one before! :DI still remember that feeling of trying to get to sleep on Christmas Eve, before Santa arrived. Man... I know that feeling all too well, I used to lie there thinking that morning would never come, it seemed as though it took forever. I used to try to make myself fall asleep because I knew as soon as I was sleeping it would be morning already. To this day I am still this way. Even though I found out about Santa the way I did, I was very thankful it lasted as long as it did, and not being able to sleep on Christmas Eve as an adult... it still is magical for me. My mom still writes from Santa on our gifts, she won't admit it either. My husband and I fill each others stockings but I still wish my mom would, I really miss it. Even now when opening presents I still get the butterflies in my stomach, I guess the magic never really dies. I can't wait for Christmas!
Wow, I must be such a sap! Reading these stories about believing in Santa makes me all teary eyed! :o

raingirl
November 17th, 2004, 08:29 AM
I admit it...I still beleive in Santa.

One night when I was little (don't remember what age) there was a snow storm on christmas eve. It was before my parents divorced (so I must have been about 5 or 6), and my father got home late. He was shovelling snow off the driveway and I went out to play in the snow.

I remember looking up in the sky and I saw a brown object with red and green lights against a white cloud. I swore it was Santa.

The weird part is, I actually heard something on my roof that night as well.

Anyway, ever since then, I beleive in Santa. I know he doesn't bring me gifts and all...but I know he's there...

schnauzerlove
November 17th, 2004, 08:53 AM
Santa IS real!! :D



I remember looking up in the sky and I saw a brown object with red and green lights against a white cloud. I swore it was Santa.

lilith_rizel
November 17th, 2004, 09:04 AM
does anyone know how santa origionated??

raingirl
November 17th, 2004, 09:24 AM
Santa Clause was a Christian Bishop named St. Nicholas from the fourth century. He was the patron saint of giving. He died around 350 AD

Sneaky2006
November 17th, 2004, 09:27 AM
No he didn't die! :D

moontamara
November 17th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Wow, I must be such a sap! Reading these stories about believing in Santa makes me all teary eyed! :o

It's got YOU teary-eyed? I'm bawling!! No joke... I'm so sad not to go home for Christmas this year. I had such an amazing Christmas last year with my husband (then fiance) and my family.... Christmas in Korea is not the same. :sad: :sad: :sad:

Sneaky2006
November 17th, 2004, 09:31 AM
That is awful moon, I feel for you. :( This is the main reason why I never left this town... I don't plan to either, I just love family and the holidays, it would just never be the same.

chico2
November 17th, 2004, 09:58 AM
My own experience with Santa Claus was not a good one :sad: I grew up alone with my mom,we never had any money...
We used to go to Salvation Army to pick up a Christmas-box..I still remember that big Jaffa orange in the box and how good it tasted, some mittens,sox and a colouring book and crayons.
Then we would pick up a little tree for free on Christmas-eve,when the seller was packing up to leave.
Our neighbor used to bake ginger-cookies and other goodies,I can still remember the aroma and she always gave us some,it was a real treat.
Santa Claus however,was to me someone who did not bother to give anything to a poor little girl :sad:

lilith_rizel
November 17th, 2004, 10:03 AM
I remember why I stopped believing. My grandmother had cancer really bad, and I had asked santa for him to make her better. That is all I wanted. Sadly to say, she past away a few weeks before Christmas, like everyone else does in my family. I swear my family is cursed or something. Well with that said, I stopped believing, and to this day, I still can stand hearing Christmas music or seeing everyones houses decorated. But I guess my creator wants me to enjoy the holidays again, otherwise he/ she would not have given me Judith when he/ she did.

raingirl
November 17th, 2004, 10:31 AM
Chico. I know how you feel. I remember those boxes as well. the first couple of years after my parents got divorced were bad. My mother was single, we were on welfare, and we had no money. We got boxes full of little toys and stickers and stuff. They were good quality cardboard boxes covered in paper, just bigger than a shoe box. I think my mom still uses them for storage!

krdahmer
November 17th, 2004, 02:00 PM
Wow, I must be such a sap! Reading these stories about believing in Santa makes me all teary eyed! :o

I'm glad I'm not the only one sobbin here! :o

LavenderRott
November 17th, 2004, 02:09 PM
Well, I just wanted to thank you all for ruining my Christmas! I am heartbroken to learn that Santa isn't real. All these years wasted.

Then just who got all those letters I have written! Isn't that postal fraud?!?

glasslass
November 17th, 2004, 02:10 PM
We have Santa Paws and Santa Claws! We give a lot of small gifts, not expensive. One year, hubby got a restaurant-sized can of tapioca pudding from Santa Claws. The label was removed and a new label put on that identified the contents as "fish-eye pudding"! We have fun with Christmas and don't go into debt. I refuse to let the commercial marketing be a part of our Christmas.

lilith_rizel
November 17th, 2004, 02:37 PM
Next Christmas, I am putting up a tree. I figured it would be a fun thing to do with Judith, on her first birthday. And would keep our spirits up, while her daddy has to spend Christmas in Korea or Iraq. :sad:

I figured that I would buy one of those small trees that you see on burial sites during christmas time. They are no taller than 2 feet, and I won't have to worry about keepingg Judith and Cano away from it, so they don't knock it over and get hurt. I figured that since Judith will only be a year old, that plastic ornaments would be the best as well, don't want her trying to decorate the tree with glass!!

I am not sure what we are going to do about the whole Christmas thing in the future. James and I both aren't into christmas very much, but I think it will change now that we will have Judith. I will let her believe in Santa if she wants to, but I don't want to lie to her, and say he is real, if she really wants to know. I will let her figure all that stuff out when she is ready, I guess.

lilith_rizel
November 17th, 2004, 02:43 PM
Glasslass,
That is sorta how James and I did our first Christmas (last year) together. He bought me roses, and I made him a scrap book with all the pictures we had of us together, up until that time. The biggest present we gave each other were our vows at our wedding 2 days after Christmas. It was one of the best Christmas ever. And I have a feeling that this year is going to be even better. Even though the only present we have for each other is Judith being born. We won't have the money to be able to give anything else. But it is not how much it cost that counts, it is the thought you put into it, right?

Sneaky2006
November 18th, 2004, 03:00 AM
Well, I just wanted to thank you all for ruining my Christmas! I am heartbroken to learn that Santa isn't real. All these years wasted. But he IS real... he just happens to like the same kinds of cookies that I do lately. :)

moontamara
November 18th, 2004, 03:40 AM
I remember why I stopped believing. My grandmother had cancer really bad, and I had asked santa for him to make her better. That is all I wanted. Sadly to say, she past away a few weeks before Christmas, like everyone else does in my family. I swear my family is cursed or something. Well with that said, I stopped believing, and to this day, I still can stand hearing Christmas music or seeing everyones houses decorated. But I guess my creator wants me to enjoy the holidays again, otherwise he/ she would not have given me Judith when he/ she did.

Lilith, have you given birth already? Did I miss it? Or is Judith an older child? Your husband? Anyway, I'm sorry to hear why you stopped believing. Sad story. It seems the Christmas season is a common one for tragedies.

moontamara
November 18th, 2004, 03:42 AM
Glasslass,
That is sorta how James and I did our first Christmas (last year) together. He bought me roses, and I made him a scrap book with all the pictures we had of us together, up until that time. The biggest present we gave each other were our vows at our wedding 2 days after Christmas. It was one of the best Christmas ever. And I have a feeling that this year is going to be even better. Even though the only present we have for each other is Judith being born. We won't have the money to be able to give anything else. But it is not how much it cost that counts, it is the thought you put into it, right?

Ack, I did miss it! congratulations!!!! I'm sorry... I don't know if you recognise my name as we haven't had a lot of contact on this board, but I've been following your pregnancy. Can't believe I missed it, how embarrassing! Anyway, one more time CONGRATULATIONS!!! :party: :party: :party:

chico2
November 18th, 2004, 08:39 AM
Lilith,I too missed the birth-announcment :sad: Little Judith is our first Pets.ca baby,congratulations :party:
If you need an adopted grand-mother,I am here :crazy:

Raingirl,the strange thing is,although as a child I was dissappointed Santa always forgot about me,the spirit of Christmas was still there...
My mom and I used to walk into Stockholm and spend hours looking at Christmas displays in storewindows..it was still magical and I forgave Santa for forgetting about me.

lilith_rizel
November 18th, 2004, 11:38 AM
Judith hasn't been born quiet yet. She is due Christmas day! So her arrival is pretty close. And I am starting to wish she was here already. It is starting to get really uncomfortable carring her with the way she likes to lay

Our first ultasound, the doctor said that he was pretty sure it was a girl, but couldn't give 100%, being that the umbilical cord was in the way. But if it does happen to be a boy, his name is going to be Ezra. James has a thing for hebrew names, I guess. I actually think he likes to search for a certain meaning when we are trying to find a baby name.

But I will post o picture of the baby when she's born.

melanie
November 18th, 2004, 03:44 PM
lillith, christmas originated from the story of saint nick a kind old man who made some wooden toys for needy kids in his villiage, it is also the date of an annual pagan celebration (that is why we chose this time of year) and some say the birth of jesus but that has been proven to have happened around march or april so i think the christians just wanted to pee of the pagans so decided to make an annual celebration of the brith of christ at xmas. so its a bit of a culmination of several ideas and celebrations.

the picture of santa you see, the big red jolly man was developed by the coka cola company (the year evades me, was it around the 40's ppl around there but cant quite put my finger on a year), he was originaly going to be green but they decided red was more appropriate and he has evloved over the years, it is quite interesting ot see al lthe past santa faces, very interesting how he has changed with society and their ideals of what a good person and kid person look like, very interesting..(im surey ou could see them at the coke web site)

this is one reason we think we may raise our kids to enjoy a different type of xmas, and remember there are plenty of religions that dont celebrate xmas. i remember meeting a child from one such religiion and i felt so sorry for him, our society forces it onto him and his family, its just like the whole mothers day fathers day hysteria for single parent children. i do believe it is fine to celebrate and advertise, but these days we are bombarded by the advertising campaigns and the pressure to buy buy buy and fullfill everyones xmas wishes, i think xmas should be about something else so that is how we plan to do it :D but it will still be as exciting and fun as any other families version of the day, and hey realistically we all do it so darn differently anyways :D

moontamara
November 18th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Judith hasn't been born quiet yet. She is due Christmas day! So her arrival is pretty close. And I am starting to wish she was here already. It is starting to get really uncomfortable carring her with the way she likes to lay

Our first ultasound, the doctor said that he was pretty sure it was a girl, but couldn't give 100%, being that the umbilical cord was in the way. But if it does happen to be a boy, his name is going to be Ezra. James has a thing for hebrew names, I guess. I actually think he likes to search for a certain meaning when we are trying to find a baby name.

But I will post o picture of the baby when she's born.

Okay -- I wasn't out of it! I hope that she comes out a few days early and you can have Christmas at home with her!

lilith_rizel
November 18th, 2004, 09:26 PM
Well, either way, she will be home for Christmas. If she comes when she is full term, (37 weeks) we are having her at home. If not, we will have to go to a hospital, being that she will be premature. I highly doubt that will happen though, being that I am already 35 weeks.

I am just so happy that my mom and sisters are going be down to help. Even though James gets 9 days free leave from work, he won't want to take care of the house and Cano the entire time, so they are going to be a big help the first few days. Atleast I know that my mom will be able to help with making meals, so James doesn't have to think about what to make for everyone, on top of making sure Cano isn't being neglected.

Writing4Fun
November 18th, 2004, 10:39 PM
Oh, Lilith. I'm so sorry you haven't been able to enjoy Christmas! All of your stories are heartbreaking! But believe me, once Judith (or Ezra ;) ) comes into your life, things will certainly change. This is going to sound really corny - but - once you experience Christmas through the eyes of your child, your world will change forever. It's truly amazing. You'll see! :D