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The PBT dumping begins

October 23rd, 2004, 08:38 PM
Hi All,
Our rescue received a call today from the 905 area code. It was a guy looking to find a home for his PBT. The problem was that he only wished to get rid of it if we guaranteed that we would not neuter him. This goes against the purpose of rescue. When he was asked why he would not keep his PBT as they were grandfathered and he could do so, his response was he would not allow his PBT to have his f*ing balls chopped off. What would you do in a case like this?

We're afraid that this will just be the beginning of many a phonecall to Quebec area rescues asking for help. We have no problem helping a PBT, we just cannot condone not spaying/neutering. Such a catch 22. I absolutely adore the breed and so do my extremely young daughters. :(

Any thoughts?

NO NO bad dog
October 23rd, 2004, 09:05 PM
I would verbally agree and then neuter him once he is legally yours. There are people that believe like that but at least you could save his life IMHO

October 23rd, 2004, 09:11 PM
I agree with NO NO BAD DOG..... Lie :thumbs up

October 23rd, 2004, 09:19 PM
It is a tough call to make on one hand you don't want to go against your mandate by not neutering nor do you want to refuse the dog when its owner is asking for help and I guess you don't want to discredit the organization by lying . These are senarios that no one has dealt with before and I really do not know what to say other than to try to pursuade the owner to reconsider.

October 24th, 2004, 01:03 PM
this guy would rather get rid of his dog than fix him :mad:

October 24th, 2004, 04:12 PM
:confused: We already know that statistically young male intact dogs of all breeds have the largest number of bites on humans & dog fights. I imagine there are probably a good number of bites from females with puppies near too.

From some of the PB owners I know personally this is one of those emotion over logic things. (IMHO, PB owners are often the last holdouts over N/S. The 'Last Rebels'? Mixing up their dog's sexual idetity with their own? I dunno. I do know though, that it cheeses me off to no end! Esp. when you look at the H.S. & rescues up to HERE :eek: in PBs,/Staffys/& Xbreds.) :mad:
Even when the dog becomes a problem, Unkeepable for them, they demand that it not be neutered in it's next home. NUTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :crazy:

IMHO, agree to take the dog. Then the dog becomes your property. Neuter the dog.-The dog is yours now. He gave it up, too bad sooo sad, it's Not his dog anymore. :thumbs up

October 24th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Then I would go ahead and neuter him..once the dog has been relinquished by the owner,then he has no legal rights to it....go for it....

October 25th, 2004, 08:05 AM
Get him and neuter him - the previous owner won't know anyway.

Will this owner be charged a fee?

October 25th, 2004, 08:44 AM
We are a registered not for profit organization. We cannot in all conscience take the dog and neuter him anyway. The owner is requesting a contract be signed with the dog's release. It is unfortunate that the owner cannot see that having his dog neutered and keeping him is the best way to go. The route he is planning to take may end with the dog belonging to the wrong type of owner. This whole bann legislation is really nuts.

October 25th, 2004, 09:01 AM
If I were the rescue org that took the dog I would say, that you have every right to neuter that dog regardless of the mans request, he has GIVEN UP ownership GIVEN UP on the dog and mostly GIVEN UP on proper responsibility as far as his dog is concerned, I don't think he is a very resposible owner.
I don't think you will be discrediting your organization by lying to this man but what you will be doing is WHAT IS BEST FOR THE DOG and that is what counts :thumbs up

October 25th, 2004, 09:03 AM
I do agree. This person relinquishes thier rights when they turn the dog over... obviously an irresponsible owner...and you're providing a better standard of living for that animal if you get him out of there and neutred. This is ridiculous.... it seems that everywhere you go irresponsible people and criminals have more rights then good citizens... :evil:

October 25th, 2004, 09:22 AM
What will he do with the dog if you don't take him?
How can he relinquish the dog with a "no neuter" contract? How will he ever know?

October 25th, 2004, 09:32 AM
Has anybody ever heard of "neuticles?" A few years back, I heard about them. They are fake testicles put in a dog's sack after it has been neutered. They are for cosmetic purposes. If I recall correctly, they have been used for show dogs as well(not 100% sure).

I wonder if you were to suggest this to the guy who doesn't want to neuter his dog. The only downfall is the cost. Just an idea.

On the other hand, maybe this guy doesn't deserve to have a dog in the first place if he is willing to give it up because he doesn't want it neutered!! :mad:

October 25th, 2004, 09:36 AM
I would have him sign a contract releasing the dog - once he is your property you can do what you like. He'll never know. I'm sure you would not give adopter info to an owner surrender, so not an issue at all really.

Donna Marie
October 25th, 2004, 03:16 PM
I am shaking my head right now. Why would he NOT want his dog neutered? Is this some sort of weird male thing? I would do anything to keep my pet...even if it means ending his "prowling" days...which is the most resposible thing to do regardless. I guess this is what we talk about when we say blame the owner, not the breed. Sorry, but this guy is an idiot....once the dog is your "property" there is nothing that he can do.

October 25th, 2004, 03:28 PM
You know, I was just thinking... if this person is willing to give up their dog...I highly doubt they would want to check on it to see if it still had it's testicles...

October 25th, 2004, 03:38 PM
If he is willing to give up his loving pet he obviously does not care that much just because he has to be neutered. Can you say irresponsible? I love my dog and would do anything I had to for him to stay with me. I find a lot of guys have that reaction to neutering but most realize it is for the good of the dog. Once the dog is adopted out, the new owner may do as they please so state in the contract with the adoptee that they must prove the dog was neutered within a week of taking possession of the dog otherwise ownership reverts back to the rescue. Include a neuter voucher so the cost is not the issue but build it into your price.

October 25th, 2004, 04:33 PM
All our dogs are neutered or spayed when age appropriate. It is included in our fee. Some adoptees of puppies wish to have their own veterinarian do the procedure so with proof of completion we reimburse a portion of the cost. With adult dogs, time permitting we have them already done before going to their new homes.

I don't think it's a male issue with this guy but more of a "You have no right to force me to do this to my dog" mentality. It's a pity he can't get beyond this and see that keeping his dog would mean the most to his dog, not what is hanging between his legs.

October 25th, 2004, 06:54 PM
If you have an adopter you really trust, why not agree that YOU will not neuter the doggie. Have the adopters do it. :evil: Then you are not breaking contract, and yet the pup is still being altered. Even if it means a foster family "temporarily" adopts the puppy, neuters it, then surrenders it back to you :D