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Incontinent Border Collie

ilmagri
May 9th, 2013, 03:24 PM
Hi,

I have a 16 month old border collie bitch which is incontinent. Local vets said that if there is the slightest chance that the problem could be fixed, the op is not done in Malta anyway. The medicine we give her daily helps but I would love a permanent solution. Love this dog with all my heart ... any suggestions?

Jull
May 9th, 2013, 03:55 PM
Have you tried a holistic vet??

There is a doctor in BC - Dr. Peter Dobias, who has a series of 3 articles about urinary incontinence in his website, worth the read ;)

http://peterdobias.com/community/2013/04/surprising-discovery-about-urinary-incontinence-in-dogs-part-1/

Are you in Malta, Montana or Republic of Malta? :confused:

Dog Dancer
May 9th, 2013, 04:12 PM
Hello, is your dog spayed? Spay incontinence is not uncommon and can happen immediately after spaying or several years later. What medicine is your dog taking? Is it Stilbesterol? (not sure the spelling) It's a very good drug for incontinence, and while the dog will take it daily to start, generally the dosage is lowered and then removed until the drugs wear off and the incontinence starts up again and then you start the pills again.

ilmagri
May 10th, 2013, 04:32 AM
@ Jull ... I am in the Rep of Malta in Europe. Unfortunately there are no holistic vets here. Thank you for the link

ilmagri
May 10th, 2013, 04:36 AM
@Dog Dancer .. this happened before she was spayed. If she is resting or sleeping she leaves a wet patch (even though she's trained). She is taking Propalin syrup

Barkingdog
May 10th, 2013, 09:34 AM
http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-urinary-incontinence-and-bladder-problems



I found this link about why dogs get incontinence

Dog Dancer
May 10th, 2013, 11:48 AM
incontinence while asleep is often an estrogen issue. I would ask the vet about Stilbesterol pills out of curiosity. They are very inexpensive. Good luck to you. My brother lives in Malta.

MaxaLisa
May 11th, 2013, 04:19 PM
What exactly do the vet say? I was under the impression that there is no surgical fix for spay incontinence? If this happened before the spay, then that, along with a possible surgery, points to something other than estrogen issue? Not sure that more can be said without further information.

I haven't read the above link, but anything from food allergies to phyical abnormalities in the vagine and bladder can cause incontinence. Cystitis from high urinary specific gravity - all sort of issues are possible.

ilmagri
May 12th, 2013, 02:51 PM
@BarkingDog ... thanks for the link

ilmagri
May 12th, 2013, 02:52 PM
@Dogdancer ... I'll surely mention Stibesterol to my vet. Regards to your bro and Thanks. I live in Fgura if u want to mention it to your brother :)

ilmagri
May 12th, 2013, 02:58 PM
@MaxaLisa .. Incontinence started before spaying. The vet did several basic tests, blood etc and all the results were OK. He said that there are other tests that can be done (ultra sound for ex.) but they will only serve to indicate the cause as the problem cannot be solved. We also got a second opinion from a second vet and she said there's nothing that can be done. I have all the respect for these people but can understand that there other vets who specialise in specific problems abroad and am trying to get some info over the net.

MaxaLisa
May 12th, 2013, 04:38 PM
I am concerned about the possible surgery?

My young dog had some anatomical issues, so they scoped her and found extra tissue in the vagina that they had to cut out.

Things like tick disease, and even leptosporois can affect the kidneys and maybe cause incontinence, as well as some underlying infections.

Has anything made it better?

ilmagri
May 15th, 2013, 01:44 PM
Propalin syrup seems to have reduced it but it is still very evident

MaxaLisa
May 19th, 2013, 03:14 AM
Sometimes a bladder irritant like a food allergy can affect this, or sugar, corn products, etc. Not sure if playing with the diet would help or not.

Fresh ground flaxseed can provide a plant based estrogen, which sometimes can help. Hylands has some homeopathic remedies called incontinence or Bedwetting, which might be available where you are, and might help.

There might be an underlying bacterial issue that the test aren't picking up? Some cranberry or d-mannose may or maay not be helful?

Just throwing out things to try and eliminate.

My girl had an extra band of tissue running along her vagina which caused urine to collect and caused some bladder problems - all sorts of weird problems are out there.