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Smoking in YOUR car!

chico2
October 15th, 2004, 12:13 PM
I am a smoker :eek: and I abide by ALL the laws,I don't even smoke in my own car unless it's a looong trip.
However I had to laugh when I heard about the "suggested" ban on smoking in your car if you have kids in the car.
I think and hope,most parents would not smoke in a car with kids,it's common sense.I can just picture a police cruiser hunting down a mother who is smoking,I suppose we have no other crimes to bother with in Ontario :D
I have always thought there is a double-standard regarding boozing and smoking,does our government realize how many people are killed each year from booze,families split up,abused women,innocents killed not to mention disease from too much alcohol.Still we widely advertise beer and other alcohol,often with young people pictured.
I am not a teetotaler(sp?)I like the odd beer ,it's just always baffled me that we still advertise beer and booze :confused:

sammiec
October 15th, 2004, 12:17 PM
I think the government had their drink spike with something, they've all gone completely loonie!!!
What ever would they do if they pulled a person over that was speeding, smoking in THEIR car with children in the back AND a pit bull with no muzzle!!
What is this world coming to!!! http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/crazy/265.gif

shihtzulover
October 15th, 2004, 12:24 PM
I heard they were talking about putting through a law down here called "No smoking in public", this means walking down the street, etc. I think this is crazy. Considering there are tons of people leaving downtown at night drunk, then getting in their cars and driving. I find this far more dangerous then someone walking by you on the street with a cigerette.

GsdDiamond
October 15th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Actually, as a reformed smoker, I find the proposed law to help children quite a good idea! I'm not a finatic, and won't preach to you the harms of smoking. You're an adult, and can make up your own mind. Imperial Tobacco lists ingredients they found. Keep in mind, however, they only list 40 of the 600 possible ingredients in cigarettes. Here (http://www.imperialtobaccocanada.com/e/products/information/news/103098.html) is the link to their site. Make up your own mind if you really need more mercury in your system, or cyanide. But don't make up the minds of your children or their friends.

Prime example: My nephew, who just turned 14, was in a home where smoking was taking place. He's since moved into foster care, but that's another story. While living at home, he developed quite the smoker's cough. Considering he was practically begging the entire family to quit smoking, I highly doubt that he, himself, was sparking up a smoke to cause such a cough.

Drinking is not illegal, but it is if minors are involved. Minors are allowed to drink a small glass of wine here, provided the primary care givers are on hand, and it's only with a meal. When you say that "young people" are pictured in the advertisements for alcohol, I doubt if they're under the legal drinking age. Nothing illegal in showing ads featuring young folks.

Since children have no choice of their environment, in most cases, I find that forcing them to breathe the smoke is akin to child-abuse. Why not push the child into a burning room and ask them to breathe in that smoke? It's probably less toxic to them!

Also, I think banning smoking in the car is fine, but unless the child is glued to the parent's side, banning in the home is a bit much. Close quarters, like a car, can make the child breathe in more smoke than the parent realizes. At least in a home they have other rooms they can retreat to, and doors to exit.

I think this is going to be a good debate between smokers and non. Good thread to start! :)

sammiec
October 15th, 2004, 12:35 PM
I am a former smoker as well. I don't disagree with banning smaiking in public places... I much prefer eating out now that I don't have the taste of death all over my food.
My hubby still smokes. He has to smoke outside - even at home, it's more of a respect thing for us I think. I don't want to smell it anymore so he goes outside.
Children don't have that choice, you're right.... but I think the government is getting out of control with their "banning" banwagon. Pretty soon this wagon is going to get out of control and BIGGG crash.....
Adults should have common sense... if they are willing to kill their children slowly like this should it not be a children's aid type of deal? Wouldn't that be interesting... premeditated murder?? Just throwing out ideas... :)

mastifflover
October 15th, 2004, 12:44 PM
My car my home I will do what I please. This new country communist Canada SUCKS. I do not appreciate the government telling me what kind of dog I can own, that I can't smoke in my own car or home. When they payfor my car then they can tell me what to do in it. I abide by all public by laws but it is none of their business what I do in the privacy of my car or home.

LL1
October 15th, 2004, 12:47 PM
As a current smoker, I think it is a good idea too! Look at the helmet on motorcycle law and seatbelt laws, those are merely laws to save people from their own stupidity. To smoke in a car with a child is abuse in my opinion.


Actually, as a reformed smoker, I find the proposed law to help children quite a good idea!

chico2
October 15th, 2004, 12:48 PM
Diamond...I agree with you to a point,but the last I heard cigarettes too are a legal product as well as liquor.
Both products bring in billions $$ to the governments coffers I more than pay for any medicalcare I might one day need in taxes.
I grew up where my mom smoked,widely accepted in those days,my dad was a dangerous alcoholic and believe me,my dad caused more damage than my mother ever did to me by smoking.
Of course I do not mean 12yr olds as the "young"people in advertising beer,but 12yr olds are seeing it as being acceptable..
Personally I think we are all smart enough to make up our own mind,I just compared the attitude difference
by our government between drinking and smoking.
I think our government is on the BAN-Wagon,how soon before all MCDonalds are banned,because of our obese population :eek: (maybe not a bad idea :D )

mastifflover
October 15th, 2004, 12:52 PM
With you on banning McD's. By the way I have no children

raingirl
October 15th, 2004, 12:54 PM
It's funny you should all bring this up. As far as I'm concerned, I think smoking should be illegal altogether!! (coming from a childhood where parents smoked, and I smoked for a while in highschool).

I recently developed a huge allergy to smoke. Before it never bothered me, but if I get it anywhere near it (in a club/bar) or walk past someone smoking, I actually get an asthma attack and have to stop, take my rescue inhaler, and wait 10 minutes before moving again. It's become a pain.

Where I work, EVERY entrance/exit to the buidling is filled with smokers each day. I have to take a hugh breath before walking outside, and hold it until I'm 20-30 feet away. It's sad... I know there's a bylaw where you have to be 20 feet away from the door, but no one obeys it.

I think it should be banned everywhere, all places indoors, and even on the streets. In some cities in europe they have smoker boxes on the streets. They look like bus shelters. It's the only place you can smoke other than you own home (not apartments). And some places you have to show a permit to smoke at home, where people have confirmed that there are no non-smokers who live there (I think it is Japan or something).

I know there are lots of other issues out there that are more pressing, but it's a "choose your battle" thing..they are tackling something easy and new as opposed to old problems. I think we should all have those "breathalizer ignitions" where you have to have no alcohol to even turn the car on.

GsdDiamond
October 15th, 2004, 12:57 PM
Yes, cigarettes are legal, as is alcohol.

Alcohol, as long as you don't provide it to a minor, is totally legal. If you provide it to a minor, it must be one under your legal care (proof required) and it can only be in miniscule proportions. Some cultures serve wine with lunch and dinner.

Smoking, or the second hand smoke that comes from it, is legal, and should remain so, as long as you don't provide it to a minor. Why should this harmful product (and it has been proven to contain cancer causing agents) be forced upon a child?

I agree with everyone here....the government spends too much time on trivial laws and not enough on things that require more urgent attention. But if you have a room full of people, all of whom are smoking, is it right to keep a child in an environment such as that? Common sense would say no, but some people don't have common sense. The law has to be made to provide this common sense to those that don't have it. For some people, just the thought of being fined or jailed will make them slow down, or hopefully stop, subjecting their children to this killer.

jackieb
October 15th, 2004, 01:09 PM
when we lived in southern ireland they actually brought the law in and smoking was banned from everywere which was a bit of a joke as alot of Irish liked the pubs. I used to smoke but would have never have smoked in front of children ( i didnt have any then).

I cant see how they could enforce this law i think if you did smoke and had kids in the car you wouldnt do it .
My sister smokes and would never smoke near the children i do agree that it should be banned from public places though as it can affect anyone 2nd degree smoking.

GunnerX
October 15th, 2004, 01:14 PM
I don't have a problem with people smoking in their car. However, why do they have to throw their lit cigarette out the window with no care in the world to everyone behind them. I'm tempted to carry around a phone book and throw it out my window to the next person that hits my car with their cigarette.

Bearsmom
October 15th, 2004, 01:19 PM
Just to throw another wrench in it...I just read someone saying that they have to walk through all the smoke on their way in and out of work....howzabout walking through unbelieveable potent perfume on your way into work? Howabout then having to work a 12 hour shift sitting beside that same person/people who have MARINATED in cheap flowery stinky perfume? I have asthma, and it's just nasty.

As for smoking in cars, I LOVE the poster that said that as soon as the gov't pays for their cars, they can regulate what they do in them, that's a good one!

chico2
October 15th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Bearsmom,that's a good one,I loose my breath and start coughing,have to leave a room if someone is doused in perfume,cheap or not :eek:
If anyone tells me,they cannot stand the smell of cigaretts on their clothes in their house,I understand..it smells bad,I agree!
As for smoking around kids,I am assuming people nowadays know better,our police-officers have more urgent things to see too.
I have no small kids anymore,but I have 3 cats with very small lungs and as a rule do not smoke near them,I have one of those airpurifier things and it sucks up smoke pretty good..
While we are on the BAN-Wagon,lets get rid of all those annoying cell-phones in cars,how many times have you seen an erratic driver with a phone in his/her ear,often a young mother with a van-full of kids :eek: She puts down the phone and picks up her very fashionable Latte :eek:
The point I am trying to make,if we allow the government to ban anything it sees fit,where does it end??? Who and what is next??
Pit-Bulls today,tomorrow sex in the afternoon :D

melanie
October 15th, 2004, 05:32 PM
well here in oz they have banned smoking in pubs and bars to be enforced in the next 2 yrs. you cna no longer smoke on some beaches, near and childrens playing area, near food, they have banned smoking on some streets within council areas, and the list goes on.

20 yrs ago smokers were normal ppl, now we are treated like total social outcasts and most of our rights have been removed, oh but funny enough our governments still make money of our cigarette taxes, they take our money but allow them to ban us, it is sick and disgustiing, i agree with a ban on smoking near kids, but that should be common sense, gosh i dont even smoke in my own home, and chase the kids away if they come near when i smoke but

i balk at the idea of being banned and have to smoke on the streets, oh can you imagine to rise in assult statistics with young drunk ppl hanging outside the pub drunk in the morning, its a recepie for disaster, and not to mention the added threat to woman who have to go outside alone, i will, no one i know around here smokes anymore, so at 3am when i am drunk i have to go and stand in the dark to have asmoke, anythign oculd happen but that is not the concern of our society, their concern is to force the norm, and if you dont fit you will be outcast and anything bad that happens to you is yoru own fault for being different, not theirs for forcing you out into the dark, simple.

i have told my local publican he will loose my business in the bans, and so will most areas, stuff them, if you dont allow me or other to smoke then yo u wont get my patronage, if they want to discriminte against patrons i hope they get hit hard in the wallet for it.

but there are some great techniques to quit smoking, such as those used by allan carr, but the government wont fund his campaign, they fund stupid poster campaigns instead, i believe its because they want us to smoke, if they wanted us to quit they could fund better public techniques that are proven to work such as carrs, but no they dont, they are happy to live of the taxes of dying and socially outcast smokers, we give them heaps of money and get treated like heals for the trouble.

mastifflover
October 15th, 2004, 05:39 PM
They make money off smokers that is the problem they are greedy and want their cake and eat it too. They won't do anything about alcohol cuz they all drink and probably drive they only make the laws they don't abide by them

moontamara
October 15th, 2004, 07:21 PM
When Casey had a chronic cough, one of the questions the vet asked me was if anyone in our home was a smoker (we aren't). Which makes me wonder if in 5 - 10 years this forum will be filled with people telling other owners not to smoke around their pets because it is a form of cruelty.

I honestly believe that smoking in front of children will eventually become illegal, and even smoking in front of pets will be illegal in the future, as they have no choice either!

No children, no pets, no non-smoking loved one in the home/car? Smoke wherever you want... but you would be doing yourself a favour by smoking outside anyway -- less second-hand smoke for the smoker too!

chico2
October 15th, 2004, 08:02 PM
If our government wanted people to stop smoking all together,they should help people quit,after all millions of $$ is collected off tobacco-sales.
I quit for 3 weeks :eek: ,using Zyban at approx.$100 per box,an excellent way to stop smoking,make it cheaper and I am sure many would quit.
But nobody is going to tell me what I can and cannot do in MY car or MY house,most of my friends do not smoke and the funny thing is,when I go outside for a smoke they follow and keep me company :D

Jackie467
October 15th, 2004, 08:05 PM
I don't smoke and never have but i live with two parents who do. Ever since I was born they smoked around me, car, house didn't matter. I don't have asthma but smoke greatly affects me, especially flavored cigars. I have what my doc explains is a severe reaction to certain cigerett smoke that makes me pass out almost immedatly. My parents still smoke around me but have now switch to a brand that i'm not allergic to. What makes me agree that smoking in a car with children should be band is because i have a lung that only has half the space it should because the smoke killed most of the lung due to these allergies. It makes me very angry that because of them i now can't run, swim, or do any physical activity that exerts me.

chico2
October 15th, 2004, 08:10 PM
Jackie467,I understand what you mean,American cigarettes have a terrible cigar-smell,they even make me feel sick.

melanie
October 16th, 2004, 06:12 PM
i actually dont think there are many ppl who would deliberatly smoke in the face of children, smokers have changed, were not your old grandpa smoking in front of the fire, we are nice concious modern ppl who like everyone else have no direct intentions of hurting anyone esp children and above all eles we know what smoking does, hey we live it every day so i think the whole idea a bit silly.. theis law and issues around it makes all smokers look like child abusers,, and even before all the it does not do much forr our creed.. how about focusing on the real issues of child abuse out there, some of the things kids go through in this world are horrific and i dont think a bit of smoke is as important, look at child prostitutes in many areas and countries, look at the rate fo pedophilia out there, the rates of physical abuse, are these areas always being improved and worked on? is it always in your medias news?? i think it is a bit silly, and as far as passive smoking around pets goes, it the same as kids. we dont go out of our way to make our kids and dogs inhale, gosh we are not monsters and evil ppl, but that seems to be the way we are being viewed.

Quote' It's funny you should all bring this up. As far as I'm concerned, I think smoking should be illegal altogether'


thats sad, i have an addiction to cigs, do you have many addictions? they really suck and are hard to deal with when the society you live in once promoted that addiction and products, and your government still supports your addicetion. instead of treating smokers like criminals, how about treating them like ppl with a physical problem that they need help to over come

but i have rights as a human, rights that need to be respected, and if im outside smoking, obviously i dont do it in door ways, but if im alone smoking and you come up next to me, well i was there first so tough luck, that is my rule, i will never smoke near anyone, i always go away for the crowd and make sure i am down wind (not hard to do),

illeagle- and well if that is the case so should coffee and alchol, they are proven drugs that can do excessive harm to the body, you cant have different rules for different schools, its hypocritical (not you the ideas). but i bet they are fine and left alone because politicians use them and the fat cats of society do also and they are the ones who really make the laws.

Sneaky2006
October 16th, 2004, 07:29 PM
This is a good topic!
I smoke and have a child, I do not smoke in the car with him or my husband if he doesn't want it. It's only fair.
As far as never being allowed to smoke in your own car, or on the streets, that's just awful!
No one ever left the bar, after smoking a pack of cigs and ran over someone because they smoked too much, but you can drink as much as you want in that bar and then drive off like nothing will happen... how is that fair? Smoking doesn't impair your driving or anything for that matter.
I think if you own your home, car, and pay taxes you should be able to smoke where ever you want, as long as you're courteous and don't light up in the face of a non-smoker!
We go out to dinner a lot with my mom, she is the best and smoking is her only vice (as mine! :p :p ) and if we go to a restaurant that is non-smoking, we keep on drivin! :D

glasslass
October 16th, 2004, 07:37 PM
Like everything in life, this should just be a matter of courtesy between non-smokers and smokers. I don't permit anyone to smoke in my home or in my car. I've actually had a couple of friends who got upset when I stopped them from lighting up in my car, even though I tried to say it in a nice way. However, if we're riding together, I recognize the need to stop along the way for "potty breaks" in a comfortable setting. At home, I will provide an ashtray and comfortable area to sit on my patio. I will go outside and position myself away from the smoke so that we can keep visiting. It doesn't need to be a big deal. We should be courteous of each other. For a party, I provide both alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks. When I have a bunko game at my home, I might serve a rich dessert, but I'll also have sugar-free jello with fresh berries and sugar-free whipped cream for the member that is diabetic. This world needs more tolerance on both sides. :o

glasslass
October 16th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Just an observation and a question. When washing the coffee grounds out of the basket, ever notice they smell exactly like a wet ashtray? :confused: But coffee smells so good when it brewing! :D

Sneaky2006
October 16th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Your mind keeps on goin Glass! I have never noticed that before... but you are right... I just went downstairs and smelled it! :D It doesn't smell as bad as a wet ashtray but pretty close!
I think it may have something to do with the grounds sitting for a bit. I'm thinking if you take out the grounds right after it's done brewing (which I don't do), it won't stink? :confused:

melanie
October 16th, 2004, 07:58 PM
i love the smell of coffee, i love buying it for hubby forthe smell. but at 28 yrs of age i have never, ever tasted coffee of puti t to my lips, i cant imagine drinking it, i jsut love the smell.

and glassy i dont even smoke in my house, car or any where that is enclosed, i never have even when living alone, smoke in furnature really stinks and i dont like it so have never done it, my granny smoked inside and itwas just grose.. i go out the back to my chair, and it is rather nice as i can sit there with my cup of tea and jsut chill out, and when annoying relatives around, well i jsut sit out the back and say im smokin, even if not, its a nice wty to hideout, and i find i smoke less esp in winter as it is cold out andi make myself wait.

but im reading allen carr's book at the mo and hope to quit smokin soon well hope to anyway, my lungs are rooted and at my age thats not a good sign.Allen Carr is brilliant and even has money back guarantee if you dont quite and stay quit, he has a 90% success rate as he does not work on guilt or fear, but rather address the root of the problem instead without the mind games, i will let you all know how i go.

but i agree, consideration is the key to living as harmonous humans

Sneaky2006
October 16th, 2004, 08:09 PM
Mel, I can't believe you have never tasted coffee! I love coffee although I am not addicted to it or anything, and I absolutely hate black coffee, it has got to have cream in it.
Now I am addicted to iced tea!(pre-mixed, already sweetened) My husband and I drink about a gallon a day... there should be a support group for that! :o

lilith_rizel
October 16th, 2004, 09:41 PM
Neither me or my husband smoke, and we aren't all that big on alcohol. The only thind that we might drink when we are of age, is Mike's hard lemonade or wine, but as far as anything else, it's just not us. My husband also made a no smoking in house / car rule for company. LOL. I think it is a good idea not to smoke around children, that is how they learn that it is "OK" to smoke.

Sneaky2006
October 16th, 2004, 09:45 PM
I really don't think it matters whether the parents smoke or not, if a kid wants to smoke he's gonna.
I don't smoke around my son or any other kid.... just because I pollute my lungs, doesn't mean I have to pollute theirs.

chico2
October 17th, 2004, 09:27 AM
I don't think any smoker will disagree with much that has been said,actually most smokers I know are much more polite and concerned with other peoples rights,than the fanatical anti-smoking coalition.
The latest in Toronto from said group,is to try to ban outside patios...the bar-owners have put out heaters so the smoking patrons can use the patio even if it's cold,burrrrr!! But no,no no don't give an inch to those awful smokers :eek: Ban it!!
Yes,smoking is a bad habit,nobody knows that better than a smoker and I do not smoke in other peoples houses or cars,even though they bring an ashtray,I know the smell lingers and i will not pollute someone elses space :angel:
But,MY house is my house,my car is MY car,since I have no kids(anymore)what I do on,or in my property is nobodys business but my own.
I would actually be more concerned about the air outside,the water you drink and the food you eat and that our government abide by the Kyoto accord and fight pollution that will make millions of people sick in the future.

krdahmer
October 18th, 2004, 02:19 AM
I have to say as someone who suffers from asthma and had parents who protected her from it as a child....it is so sad to have to consider something like this....but not all parents think of their children first! One of the young girls who helped me catch the rescued kittens I have, has severe allergies and asthma and yet is subjected to her parents smoking, in the car, to and from school every day. :mad: It's a shame that as a society we have become so irresponsible that we need the government to step in and tell us what to do. sad

Stewart
October 18th, 2004, 04:17 AM
Well I think MR Wells got it right in his book 1984 ! Wait and see one day they will be saying how long we can all live ! :crazy:

chico2
October 18th, 2004, 08:09 AM
Dahmer,I understand your point,one of my sons has a serious congenital heart-disease and I NEVER exposed him to smoke growing up and on smog-filled summer-days he stayed inside,as you know we have many of those :evil:
I believe our government is only controlling pollution,like smoking,where it will not cost big companies money...but fighting REAL pollution,like coal-burning factories the $$$$-signs are more important,that is where we in North-America are way behind Europe.$$$$$ are still more important than peoples health.
I brought this subject up,watching the news a couple of days ago,a doctor suggested to Mr Smitherman a ban on parents smoking in cars with children.
Mr Smitherman however,said no such ban is in the plans,as he being relatively intelligent and knows,such a by-law would just end up together with all the other un-inforceable by-laws.
Children need protection yes,but today many children are protected from,sugar,fat,germs,carbs,dust by their parents and as a result,we have thousands of"allergic"children.
I am not saying expose your kids to smoke,but everyday living is a dirty business and childrens immune-system need a work-out to keep it strong.

Iggette
October 18th, 2004, 09:09 AM
When there are such strong issues being debated, I for one would like to see a people vote on the issue.

Not a voted in politician deciding what is right or wrong.....but the people themselves.

I would have liked to vote myself on the pit bull ban, not have a member of parliament tell me what is best.

I understand the whole, we voted them in to speak on our behalf concept.......but lets face it we didn't ALL vote for their individual morals and thoughts of what is right and what is wrong

melanie
October 18th, 2004, 06:01 PM
iggette, i think you are talking about referemdums, that is where they ask the ppls opinion and they vote yes or no.

such eg of referendums include the ref here (i think it was 99 or 98 cnat remember) to determine if we were to become a republic, we all voted yes or no (the nos won of course), and in 1967 the australian public voted in a referendum as to weather aboriginal ppl should be considered citezens (thank god the yes won). from memory the first referendum australia had was during the 2nd world war where the act of conscription was subject to a referendum and australia voted a big loud no. i think it is a really effective way of determining pop oinion.

does your government have this system, if so maybe you shoud start pushing for a ref on PB bans. but perhaps im just a dreamer.

mastifflover
October 18th, 2004, 06:08 PM
I am so with you here Chico my car, my home, I do as I please I also never smoke in other peoples homes or cars. I agree with no smoking in public places but dont tell me I can not smoke outside when you are sitting and breathing car and factory pollution constantly. I feel bad for these bar and restaurant owners who spent a lot of money to create seperate sections in their establishments to be told oh we changed our minds about the by law. You can eat the loss of what you spent and the lack of sales from smokers. That is not fair and these people need to be compensated. Many of these owners are non smokers.

goldenblaze
October 18th, 2004, 10:51 PM
As far as never being allowed to smoke in your own car, or on the streets, that's just awful!
No one ever left the bar, after smoking a pack of cigs and ran over someone because they smoked too much, but you can drink as much as you want in that bar and then drive off like nothing will happen... how is that fair? Smoking doesn't impair your driving or anything for that matter.
I think if you own your home, car, and pay taxes you should be able to smoke where ever you want, as long as you're courteous and don't light up in the face of a non-smoker!
We go out to dinner a lot with my mom, she is the best and smoking is her only vice (as mine! :p :p ) and if we go to a restaurant that is non-smoking, we keep on drivin! :D


I agree with you, Smoking doesn't impair your driving or anything for that matter and to me that is a big deal. I am not a drinker never have been but I do smoke and will continue too as I please. As you I believe courteous is the key. Let's go for a coffee and smoke sometime soon. I was laid off on Friday lots of spare time now. :)

moontamara
October 19th, 2004, 12:28 AM
The suggested ban is for smoking in the car when your kids are in the car. Sounds like most of you smokers wouldn't smoke in your car with a kid in the car anyway, would you?

:sorry: but I don't think there's anything wrong with that sort of law.... is there?

krdahmer
October 19th, 2004, 01:26 AM
It just seems so ridiculous that common sense now has to be a written guideline for some people... I know that most of those here would not smoke in front of their children, but I also know a large amount of people living in my building who somehow missed the installation of the common sense switch, and the only way to get them to see what they are doing wrong is to slap them in the wallet! :(

Sneaky2006
October 19th, 2004, 02:12 AM
Let's go for a coffee and smoke sometime soon. Nothin better than a cuppa coffee and a smoke!!!

That's all well and good Moon, I wouldn't mind that but it probably won't stop there! My opinion anyway. :)

Stewart
October 19th, 2004, 04:16 AM
[QUOTE=chico2]
I believe our government is only controlling pollution,like smoking,where it will not cost big companies money...but fighting REAL pollution,like coal-burning factories the $$$$-signs are more important,that is where we in North-America are way behind Europe.

Well said chico2 :thumbs up , If folk want to do something about everyones future they better start wakeing up to the effects on the the worlds big pollution issue and not tinkering around with cheaper options ;) Irrisponsible parenting like smokeing in cars or rooms with children in is just that irrisponsible! And as for smokeing in public places if you dont like it move away! But with the bigger issue of world pollution we cant move away can we ?

moontamara
October 19th, 2004, 06:18 AM
And as for smokeing in public places if you dont like it move away!

First of all, what if I don't want to move away? What if I like your company? So in order to spend time with you, I have to risk my health? Okay, fine. When my mom came to visit she went up to the roof to smoke and more often than not I joined her (on the roof, not with the smoke) because that's how much I wanted to spend time with her. BUT, family members who live with a smoker don't have that option, including pets.

I'm cringing as I post this, but it is worth a look. I know I'll be blasted...

:sorry: :angel: :sorry: :angel: :sorry:

Two articles:
http://www.anmlangls.org/smokers.htm (too long to post whole thing here, methinks)

Smoking is Killing Pets [06/19-2]
Excerpts from: Pets at risk from ciggies

Sunday Mail [06/16/00]

FAMILY pets are dying early because of passive
smoking at home, research has revealed.

Dogs are contracting nasal cancer from their owners
who smoke - with long-nosed hounds, such as
dachshunds, most at risk.

Scientists at Colorado State University found the link
after testing more than 100 dogs over a five-year
period.

Margaret Whidden, secretary of the
Edinburgh-based Association for Non-smokers
Rights, said: "We have had smokers come to us
who said they could not give up for their children but
they would for their animals."

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) Scotland
agreed the research could have a big effect on some
smokers who have been unable to quit.

Mysts38
October 19th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Iam a smoker and will smoke where I darn well please..however in saying that,iam also a courteous smoker,which means if you ask me not to smoke,I will happily comply

Smoking is my sin and I dont burden other people with it...

chico2
October 19th, 2004, 08:19 AM
Well,I am surprised at how many smokers dare to tell us their awful habit :thumbs up
Here in Oakville,you cannot smoke anywhere,which is fine with me.If hubby and I go out for dinner,we eat and do just not linger too long,usually go home for coffee.
When I meet a friend of mine for lunch,we meet next door in Burlington,where they still have well ventilated smoking-areas,because we like to sit for a while and chat..
Moontamara,I know all about"studies"on smoke and how it presumably affects pets and I do take care around my cats,just in case..
I still need to be convinced,that anyone will die from passing by a smoker,unless they spend 24/7 in a smokefilled bar....I believe you will sooner die from riding a bike in the city..
Anyways,I brought this up,because,if we allow our government to make up by-laws for every over-zealous do-goodder,we will soon find ourselves in a police-state... :evil:
Let's get speeders,drunk drivers first and if they were also smoking(OMG :D )add another $$1.000 to the fine :D
Well,today I have to go out and blow the rest of my leaves,I am using a leaf-blower because I have tons of leaves from my trees,it's considered a noise polluter :eek: maybe we'll have another by-law soon :crazy:

chico2
October 19th, 2004, 08:58 AM
Goldenblaze,I forgot to mention,I am sorry you got laid off Friday,hopefully you'll get another job soon :sorry:

LavenderRott
October 19th, 2004, 09:22 AM
First off, Goldenblaze, sorry to hear about your job.

I am a smoker. Have been for 24 years. I don't smoke at my mom's house as she prefers I don't but I do smoke in my house and in my car. I hate to admit it, but I smoked when I was pregnant with all three of my kids too.

Seems to me like the Canadian goverment is spending a whole lot of time worrying about what you do with your personal "stuff" and not going after real issues.

I am not well versed on Canadian statistics, but I don't think that Canada is the only place in the world that has no crime, no drunk drivers, no dog fighting, no commercial polluters, no drugs, etc.

Shouldn't your politicians be doing something about those things and spend less time worrying about what kind of dog YOU have or where YOU smoke?

When the government starts making my house payments and car payments, well then they can tell me what I can and can not do in my house and my car. In the meantime, leave me alone.

Oh, BTW, all 3 of my kids are happy and healthy. Heather is allergic to spider bites, but I doubt that has anything to do with my smoking.

elmoy
October 19th, 2004, 10:31 AM
I thought I would mention that, since Oct 1, here in the province of New Brunswick, smoking in public is now banned. I am a reformed smoker and so is my hubby. We have a karaoke business and used to work in bars a lot. I didn't mind the smoke too much but when we would get hom with our equipment, eesh :eek: the smell was so bad.

I have to say that personally, I really enjoy going out to our local pub (for karaoke) I find that my voice is not as affected.

but, I did smoke, I quit when my 5 yr old son got ashtma. I'm glad I did. By both my parents always smoked and still do. When they visit, they go in the basement or on the porch to smoke. When I visit, they smoke in their house, afterall I am the one visiting. So I respect their rights.

Ela

goldenblaze
October 19th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Goldenblaze,I forgot to mention,I am sorry you got laid off Friday,hopefully you'll get another job soon :sorry:

Thanks, looking into starting day care at home for doggie. I have dogs every weekend I enjoy so think that might be something to look deeper into. Our office was told tuesday we were closing on friday, how nice of them since some have been there yrs. Kingston office closed too, 300 out of work.
I think better days ahead. My husband thinks it was meant to happen for a reason, maybe our new day care is a blessing. :)
Again thanks, right now I am taking time and enjoying my time off, first time I have been out of work in yrs. EI owe me a little of what I put in . :)

mastifflover
October 19th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Goldenblaze sorry about your lack of employment but like they say all things happen for a reason. I am so sick of the government trying to tell us what we can do and what we can't do. Why don't they get off their fat butts and actually try and earn there overinflated pay cheques. Maybe if they worked 12 months a year like everybody else they would get something done. Stiffer penalties for drunk drivers Sweden has this one nailed down you drink and drive you lose your license forever. Sounds like a plan to me. There is no 2nd time offender. You don't have to harm anyone or yourself it is just drink and drive. If you injure someone you will pay financially and in jail. They have the lowest incidents of drunk drivers. But our idiots spend there time telling us what dog we can own, where we can smoke. Lets deal with some important issues like child pornography and child abuse, spousal abuse, getting kids back in school and educate them so they don't hang out and train dogs to fight so they can start betting on them to make some money. But why should they what they work maybe 6 months a year and are overpaid and have great pensions and we let them get away with it. So why would they want to draw attention to themselves and loose all this free time and money.

Bearsmom
October 19th, 2004, 12:03 PM
Thanks, looking into starting day care at home for doggie. I have dogs every weekend I enjoy so think that might be something to look deeper into. Our office was told tuesday we were closing on friday, how nice of them since some have been there yrs. Kingston office closed too, 300 out of work.
I think better days ahead. My husband thinks it was meant to happen for a reason, maybe our new day care is a blessing. :)
Again thanks, right now I am taking time and enjoying my time off, first time I have been out of work in yrs. EI owe me a little of what I put in . :)

Goldenblaze, sorry to hear about your job loss....by the way, a doggie daycare would be a fantastic idea!!!! Too bad you're so far away, we could certainly use one where we live.

krdahmer
October 20th, 2004, 12:03 AM
BUT, family members who live with a smoker don't have that option, including pets.

I'm cringing as I post this, but it is worth a look. I know I'll be blasted...



Yes, it is often the ones who don't get a say who suffer for the poor choices of others. Poor kiddies, kitties, and puppies... sad

CyberKitten
October 22nd, 2004, 03:41 PM
I am not a smoker and I too have to take a huge breath before going into public buildings where smokers are congregated. I think it would be cruel to smokers to make it illegal though. It is an addiction thanks to unscupulous tobacco companies.

That said, I have close friends who are smokers and I do go out with them. They do not smoke in their home but when I visit them, it is THEIR home and if they smoke, who am I to tell them not to. Mostly, we work around it.

None of us are perfect.

Cactus Flower
October 23rd, 2004, 03:02 AM
Anyone ever hear of rolling down the window? It's amazing what a vacuum will do....