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What do you feed your dog?

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 11:29 AM
Hi everyone:
I haven't posted since Aug. When my Wheaten Roxy was diagnosed with AIHA. Well we had to put her down, it was awful but I know she is in a better place, running and playing with friends.
We have since welcomed another Wheaten to our family, Scottie. He is a delight and I'm sure Roxy sent him. Since Roxy died of Cancer(AIHA secondary) we are concerned we feed Scottie right and have researched foods immensely! Our vet supported our research and suggested a few. We ended up putting him on Nutro Natural Choice Lamb and Rice. He is doing well on this and his poops are certainly less than what breeder had him on (ProPlan-adult) and we also put him on only healthy treats. Natural Balance Duck and Carrot and DogsownPantry treats. He loves these treats apple/carrot no wheat.
Anyway I was wondering What do you feed your dog and what breed do you have? Has anyone found a healthy treat out there? Anyone have a Wheaten?
Thank you look forward for your responses!! ;) ;)

GsdDiamond
October 7th, 2004, 11:52 AM
I'm sorry for your loss, but happy for your new addition!

I'm feeding my little fusspot a combination of Fromm Duck and Potato and Fromm Whitefish and Potato.

For canned treats, she eats Dick van Patten's canned food with no chicken. I think it's Lamb and Rice. It looks like stew!

Packaged treats are Nutro Lamb and Rice sticks, Nutro Lamb cookies and homemade muffins.

GunnerX
October 7th, 2004, 12:05 PM
We're currently feeding Ariel half Nutro Puppy Lamb and half Wellness puppy. We'll probably switch to all Wellness once the Nutro is all gone. Her poop is definitely a lot less than previous when we were feeding her IAMS.

mastifflover
October 7th, 2004, 12:07 PM
I feed my monster Kirkland Series Chicken and Rice and he loves northern Biscuits especially the turkey and cranberry how appropriate at thanksgiving. Kirkland is made by Diamond which is what I was feeding him but this is 25.00 less a bag you get it at costco and it comes in lamb and rice as well

Akeeter
October 7th, 2004, 12:50 PM
We are feeding Nutro for older less active dogs, with weight control, & extra Glucosamine/Chondroitin, plus homemade stew with carrots, celery & root vegetables on the advice of our Vet./Homeopathic Vet. Roor ve. are supposed to help arthritis. The older (9yr.old) Akita gets suppliments of Yucca Root, White Willow Bark, cold pressed linseed oil, & codliver oil in the winter. All of this is for Arthritis. Molly the lab is still young, but get eaxtra Glus/Chond. in her food. We also give them a little cooked meat, fish, yoghurt, or eggs with their 2 daily meals.

elmoy
October 7th, 2004, 12:57 PM
Glad to see this thread.
A while ago, I had asked you guys for advice on food. My toy poodle was on vegetarian kibble, but like you pretty much all said, seems to be allergic to other things but some meat (corn, etc).

I have tried her on Nutro Max Natural. It says chicken meal among some of the ingredients... is that a good brand food? :confused:

I couldn't get the duck/potato as they do not carry it here in Fredericton NB>

thanks again for all advice.

Elaine :)

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 01:47 PM
Yeh that was the same as us. Not sure what to feed. Well we really researched and the Wheatens have sensitive stomachs. Roxie(past) always vomited up anything different even milk bones, she didn't have the greatest coat but ok and her skin, nails were a little dry. But after all the research we realize that corn, wheat, soy products and by products, additives, preservatives are NOT good!! And we decided to start Scottie off on the right paw :p
The Natural Choice is Lamb(easy to digest) and Rice and the price isn't bad $39 for 33lb bag in our area(Windsor). And I figure the natural treats will supplement ie. vegies, flaxseed. The nice thing about the dogsownpantry treats is that they have variety for allergy prone dogs, ie. no wheat, soy, corn etc. I think they are based in Strathroy not sure but if interested just go to dogsownpantry.com prices aren't bad. And they even smell good to me :) :)

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 01:54 PM
oops sorry! GSD Diamond I was going to respond. Today I got coupons for the Nutro 10 bag frequent buyer and I saw the treats. So next I'll get some for Scottie. I didn't know they had them.
Thanks for the mention of Roxie we miss her like crazy!! She was mostly my dog and we were inseparable. I see her everywhere and was afraid at first to get a new pet so soon but he is GREAT!! We love him in a totally different way and he has helped me immensely through the sad times. Roxie will always be in my heart!! She was one of a kind like they all are I guess!!
Thanks Sue

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 02:18 PM
boy it's nice to hear of others feeding the Nutro. my vet was afraid it wouldn't be readily available but I found a pet shop in Lasalle who carries it.

elmoy
October 7th, 2004, 02:31 PM
I hear you Sue

I feel much better about the Nutro. There is a great place here in Oromocto that sells all kinds of great food. They gave me samples to try... and because Brigid is so small, a sample bag lasts almost a week! :D

She is doing good so far (cross fingers and toes!!) :p

Thanks everyone for all your great advice!!

Elaine

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 02:47 PM
That's great Elaine!
Remember that it could take up to 6 wks to change foods!! Just make sure to introduce in small portions. I'm sure you already know this but even the food guides don't always tell you this and some say 10 to 14 days but you could see a loose stool and if you back off a bit, slow down the intro. to the new food. Than give a little more if the food is right than the stools will get better. WOW that sounds wierd after I read it :confused: But you'll know what I mean, Scottie had frequent (up to 6times a day :eek: ) but now 3 to 4 max. He is only 17.5wks old. It took about 4.5wks to complete the intro. but we also had started the treats in the middle. Have fun! :)
Sue

GsdDiamond
October 7th, 2004, 03:11 PM
Actually, Dr. Stanley Coren (from "Good Dog!") says not to bother with the "introduce new food slowly". The way he said it, let's see if I can remember it right:
"When we feel like eating Chinese food one day and Italian the next, we don't mix our foods. Neither should dogs have to. In the wild, a dog won't mix it's food gradually (one bite Wildebeast and one bite Wild Pig). It just digs in and eats what it wants."
That's not an exact quote, but it's pretty darn close.

Writing4Fun
October 7th, 2004, 03:16 PM
That's funny, GsdDiamond! And I'm glad Dr. Coren said that, because now I don't feel so bad for just switching food on my dog. :o

elmoy
October 7th, 2004, 03:19 PM
Thanks!

Actually, what I did is put another bowl down with the new food, alongside with her regular food. I free feed her. Then after a few days, I take the old food away and she is left with the new one (which she eats and seems to like). She seems a little more energetic already... Brigid is a total couch potatoe! :p

thanks

PS: I did make sense of what you wrote!! :D

GsdDiamond
October 7th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Yeah. Dr. Coren cracks me up! He's such a funny man....and great with dogs too! Many's a trick I learned from him.

heeler's rock!
October 7th, 2004, 06:01 PM
Right now I feed raw food. I know it's not for everyone, but the kibble I used to have my oldest on was Solid Gold. I've also heard great things about Wellness, Innova (My kitties are on this right now), and Go Natural. :)

sue fox
October 7th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Actually GSD I agree with you(or Dr. Coren) IF MY DOG WAS WILD!
and it also depends greatly on the breed/dog. As with us don't you think if you were always fed different each day you would be used to it but if not it would throw off your system? I suffer from Fibromyalgia and sometimes food bothers me and sometimes not. Anyway some people actually feed their pets different foods all the time and they are great with that because they are use to it. We would probably be better off feeding a homemade diet but I don't know about you guys but I don't have time!! Lots of pros and cons to all of this.
Thanks everyone for your response!
Sue

goldenblaze
October 7th, 2004, 11:09 PM
I to feed my dogs Nutro, Large bred puppy. Blaze does well on it and loves it.

wAggie
October 8th, 2004, 01:08 AM
heheheh, go dr. coren!! :p


I got mine on Nutrience... um the green bag from Super Pet ( :mad: ). :o

http://www.petspantry.com.au/images/nutrience_supreme.jpg

pitbulliest
October 8th, 2004, 02:01 AM
Wooo ouch...I don't wanna come off as a monster..but alot of those brands that were mentioned are grocery store found brands..probably not the wisest choice..I don't want to tell anyone what to do..but believe me or not..I've done quite a bit of research on dog food brands...and these are the ones you definately want to avoid due to poor protein source, over use of steroids/chemicals/hormones, high filler content such as corn and wheat (BAD!), high traces of sulphur, sugar being used as a preservative, etc...well..the list goes on. I don't recommend these brands:

IAMS
Eukaneuba
Nutro
Pedigree
Science Diet
Nutrience (I work at a pet store and we sell this one...its probably not as bad as the ones above, but it still needs alot of work before I put it on my "decent" food list).
Purina


Instead, I would recommend that some of you look into some holistic human grade brands...there are alot out there..and true, they may be a bit more expensive and not always easy to find..but its definately worth it for your dog's health in the long run. You'll see a difference in your dog's skin and coat condition... I feed my dogs Wellness, and tend to rotate between formulas (chicken vs fish vs lamb)...and of course, I make home cooked meals for my dog when I find the time and energy.

Anywho, back onto topic..GOOD BRANDS:
Timberwolf Organics
Wellness (by Old Mother Hubbard)
Wysong
Urban Wolf
Solid Gold
Eagle Pack Premium Ultra
Canidae (this is borderline between good food and decent)
Innova (same opinion as Canidae)
Performatrin Ultra

GunnerX
October 8th, 2004, 08:04 AM
We've talked with the owner of our local Global Pet Foods and we were informed that unlike other grocery store brands, Nutro does not add in the entire corn. Instead, they actually separate the kernels from the cob. It was actually one of the brands that they recommend.

elmoy
October 8th, 2004, 09:29 AM
I agree with Laura

I read the ingredients on the Nutro Natural and there is no corn or wheat.
As for Canidae, my dog will not touch it.

GsdDiamond
October 8th, 2004, 09:38 AM
Actually GSD I agree with you(or Dr. Coren) IF MY DOG WAS WILD!
and it also depends greatly on the breed/dog. As with us don't you think if you were always fed different each day you would be used to it but if not it would throw off your system? I suffer from Fibromyalgia and sometimes food bothers me and sometimes not. Anyway some people actually feed their pets different foods all the time and they are great with that because they are use to it. We would probably be better off feeding a homemade diet but I don't know about you guys but I don't have time!! Lots of pros and cons to all of this.
Thanks everyone for your response!
Sue

I'm sorry to hear that you suffer from such a painful disease. Fibromyalgia, and the resulting irritable bowel & bladder problems that result from it (among other symptoms), isn't something I would wish on anybody, and could certainly affect what you're able or not able to eat/drink.

But illnesses affecting people and dogs can vary widely. While the domestic dog and wild dog eat different diets than one another, and there are certain restrictions placed on domestic dogs that aren't there for wild dogs (potty training and obedience ring to mind), that is basically the end of the differences, at least in my eyes. If you let a domestic dog to it's own devices in a home, with no training and discipline, you have a wild dog that lives in a house. If a wild dog, or a domestic dog for that matter, both eat a raw food diet consisting of beef, chicken, or lamb, the foods aren't mixed together for days (possibly weeks) until the dog is used to it. The same goes for canned/bagged food. Why mix them?

If you know of certain foods that your dog likes, mine likes Lamb/Rice, Whitefish/Potato, Duck/Potato, then why the mixing? I'm not saying you have to make homemade food. I certainly don't, and my dog is very happy & healthy. I don't mix her food when I change from one flavour to another. There's no need. The only reason I can see for doing something like that is to introduce food to a dog who's a bit fussy and doesn't like change. If someone has a dog like that, then you do whatever it takes to keep them eating. If your dog isn't fussy, then why bother?

I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying, but it's my opinion (and that of a respected pet Behaviourist/Psychologist). In the end, you have to do what's best for your pet. That's all that matters. Do what works!

heeler's rock!
October 8th, 2004, 09:59 AM
Just wanna clarify for pitbulliest. Nutrience and Nutro are not the same things. They are totally different dog foods. Nutrience, I have to agree is crap. Isn't it made by Petland or something like that? Nutro on the other hand, is good. I used to feed my kitty that, but switched her over to Go Natural. :)

I also wanted to say that Nutro is not found in any grocery store around here. Only at Petco and our 2 feed stores.

mastifflover
October 8th, 2004, 10:04 AM
I usually do the slow switch but I have done a hard switch. Hard switch is when you fast your dog for 24 hours then start the new food. The stool is a little loose but in a couple of days back to normal. I find with giant breeds the slow switch takes way to long, and I end up having to buy a small bag of the old food. I agree with pitbulliest on most of those foods. Another great food is by Dick Van Patten I think it is called natural balance and Paul Newmans food but it is way too expensive. I agree Heelers rock I had Buddy on Solid Gold excellent food but it was too expensive at 55.00 for 30 pounds I go through 3 a month almost, also Buddy could clear a room with the gas and you know it is bad when a dog leaves the room.

heeler's rock!
October 8th, 2004, 10:14 AM
Yeah, I've heard of solid gold gas!! It wasn't the cost that stopped me though, although it is expensive. I talked to numerous people that feed raw, and heard of their amazing dogs that were doing so well on the stuff! I decided to take the plunge and try it out. Man, I have never seen my dogs so healthy, happy, and full of energy. They scarf down their food in 30 sec. or less, (I'm not even exaggerating) and just love every bite! It costs me $39.00 for 40lbs. every 3 weeks or so, but they're worth every penny! The day I can't feed myself is the day I put them back on kibble! :)

mastifflover
October 8th, 2004, 10:28 AM
I have heard and seen amazing results on raw I know a Bullmastiff that was at the vets monthly for bladder infections I'm not kidding. She has now lost weight has more energy than I have ever seen in her before. This is the thing that blew me away he stomach used to be black it is now pink like a puppys belly. I am sure that if I had the time and a freezer I would go for the raw or as a friend of mine is doing raw weekends and top quality natural kibble during the week(he has 2 neos) and he said he would love to do all the time but the cost is an issue for feeding these 2 big boys. I even see a big difference in their coats and energy level already and they have only been switched for 2 or 3 months.

wAggie
October 8th, 2004, 11:14 AM
heelers, Nutrience is made by Hagen Pet Foods Inc. (I just checked the bag)

ingredients include: INGREDIENTS: Chicken meal, ground corn, brewers rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), dehydrated chicken, dried beet pulp, chicken flavor, dried egg product, lecithin, yeast culture, potassium chloride, salt, calcium carbonate, calcium propionate (preservative), lutein (0.08%), dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation extract, dried kelp, dried rosemary, dried thyme, dried oregano, dried fenugreek, dried fennel, dried cayenne, dried ginger, rosemary extract, dried corn fermentation soluble product, yucca schidigera extract, iron proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc methionine complex, zinc oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin E supplement, vitamin B12 supplement, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, folic acid, niacin, calcium pantothenate, vitamin A acetate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, vitamin D3 supplement.

http://www.hagen.com/hagen/canada/english/dogs/nutrience/adultsupdetails.html


as for your list, pitbulliest:

Timberwolf Organics
Wellness (by Old Mother Hubbard): I will not feed my dogs a vegetables based diet
Wysong
Urban Wolf
Solid Gold: heeler's likes it :p
Eagle Pack Premium Ultra
Canidae (this is borderline between good food and decent)
Innova (same opinion as Canidae)
Performatrin Ultra


can we narrow the list a bit (or adjust it) to fit the diet for my hyper pointers?

I'd appreciate the help. :)

mastifflover
October 8th, 2004, 11:28 AM
You know I would go with solid gold hundenflunken it is an excellent food and suprisingly Wysong regular not the natural has corn in it. I was very surprised when I read the label. Or Fromm naturals they are also excellent but harder to find and pricier than solid gold if I remember correctly. I personally have not tried Timber Wolf but the ingredients are excellent if I was going to switch that would be my choice. The only reason I suggest solid gold first is the availability of it but if you have access to all try the Timberwolf If you do please let us know how it is. You know that it will take a couple of months to really see any difference.

Copper'sMom
October 8th, 2004, 11:54 AM
Uh oh!! :confused: I feed my dog Pedigree Healthy Vitality. Should I really consider switching his food? I used to feed him Pro-Plan, but it was getting to costly so I switched to Pedigree. He has arthritis and gets a Hydrochloride Glucosamine(sodium free) pill twice a day (1500mg total). I tried him on Lamb and Rice Pro-Plan, but he had alot of gas! Sometimes price doesn't always mean a better dog food. He enjoys his food and eats 6 cups or less a day. My vet hasn't told me about switching to a better food and she WOULD tell me if she didn't think it was good for him. What do you all suggest??

Shelly
October 8th, 2004, 12:03 PM
I have been feeding our puppy Nutrience Junior for small breeds since finding out the food he was on (Purina puppy chow) wasn't very good for him. Now it seems a lot of you think Nutrience isn't very good either :confused: Should I switch him to one of the Nutro foods?

Sheriffmom
October 8th, 2004, 02:04 PM
We feed Sheriff 1/3cup of soaked Science diet (we used to use Natural Balance, but it seems he dev. an allergy) We then add a level tsp of natural Yoghurt, 1tbls of cottage cheese 1%, 2 heap tbsp of organic babyfood (either chicken stew, chicken cassarole or Turkey stew), and finally some cooked chicken. It seems to have REALLY helped his digestive problems (he was hospitalized at 5mos for dehydration due to uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea... they were giving him injections of an anti-nausea and Immodium and even that wasn't helping :( ) The Vet thinks it may have been a combo of allergy to food, and colitis. But every test they did came back norm... so we are still not sure exactly what was wrong.
Anyway, even after all that he still had very soft stool, and we couldn't seem to get his bowels normal. I researched, and researched, and finally found this idea. We talked with the Vet and he said try it. His coat, his bowel movements, his energy, really everything has dramatically improved. The Vet says he looks healthier, and his weight is maintaining perfectly!
We are very happy with this new combo of food!! :)

sue fox
October 8th, 2004, 04:52 PM
Hats off to all of you who feed the raw diet!! :) When I researched it definitely sounds like a great way to go. Myself with busy schedule and such just can't fit it in. And again it will all depend on the type of dog. As I mentioned before my dog is a Wheaten Terrier and a little sensitive. Just my opinion too GSD. :D :D Glad for all the info though!! It's great to have such a debate about this. Really when I researched there are a lot of sites and a lot of different opinions. But it's been great to read all these posts. I think whatever fits your dog, works for him/her is great. I just wanted to stay away from the additives, corn, soy and wheat and with Nutro Natural Balance Scottie is happy. Oh I forgot we also add a little Perforatrin can each night. We free feed too but add the can(3tbls) at 3:00 each aft. which is his biggest meal. As to slow, or immediate switch again it depends on your pref. and the dog able to handle the change, and of course your vets advice. I only know from my last experiences with 3 other dogs and things have definitely changed in knowledge!! I'm certainly learning a lot this time around. Thanks for all the great info. ;) Keep them coming!! ;)
Sue

GsdDiamond
October 8th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Hey, it's all good! :D
We're all here for the best interests of our pets, whatever we feed them!! :D :D

I, too, like a good debate.

(see kids, it CAN be done without name calling and belittling each other!!)

Now, how about that group hug? ;)

heidiho
October 8th, 2004, 05:00 PM
Solid Gold Hunchenflaken has my vote............I must say thouhgt when i was growing up our dachshund got good ole regular food he livedfor a long time and was a healthy dog...........

sue fox
October 8th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Hey!! I'm in for the group HUG ;) ;) And always in for a GREAT DEBATE!! :D :D

heeler's rock!
October 8th, 2004, 05:51 PM
Yeah, raw has been AMAZING for my dogs. It doesn't that long prep wise, it's just long to deforst and such. We went and bought a deep freeze just for their raw food. I try to stock up if I have extra cash, which isn't very often!! :D It's worth the trouble though. The results have been awesome! As I said though, it's not for everyone. One lady said to me that she read somewhere that if dogs eat raw food, they are more likely to hunt small animals, because they get the taste of blood!! I was LMAO after that conversation! How naieve can people be? My hubby's family's mal has never eaten anything but kibble, and he hunts mice, cats, and killed our first bunny. He just has a strong prey drive. DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ PEOPLE!!! :D

As for Purina and Pedigree and those brands of food, they really are full of stuff that's just not good for a dogs digestive system. Dogs digestive tracts are not designed to digest fillers like corn, or unnatural sugars. In the case of dog food, the better the food, the more expensive it is, unfortunately. I would highly consider swithching your pup to a better quality food. Holistic is the best choice as all the ingredients are natural and they don't use nearly as many, if any, fillers. The fact that your pup is eating 6 cups a day, that says it all! Even if your pup is a Great Dane, they should only need 2 1/2 cups per feeding, max and that's as a puppy! Your vet may not have said anything because they might sell the dog food there. My vet's were always pushing me to by Prescription Hill, which is the same as Science Diet. The better the food, the less they eat which means you save money, and the less they poop. Any of the brands listed in pitbulliest's "good food" list are fine. I have to say my top 3 choices would be Solid Gold, Nutro, and Wellness, in no particular order. :D

Uh oh!! I feed my dog Pedigree Healthy Vitality. Should I really consider switching his food? I used to feed him Pro-Plan, but it was getting to costly so I switched to Pedigree. He has arthritis and gets a Hydrochloride Glucosamine(sodium free) pill twice a day (1500mg total). I tried him on Lamb and Rice Pro-Plan, but he had alot of gas! Sometimes price doesn't always mean a better dog food. He enjoys his food and eats 6 cups or less a day. My vet hasn't told me about switching to a better food and she WOULD tell me if she didn't think it was good for him. What do you all suggest??

Mom_Of_Two_Dogs
October 8th, 2004, 06:30 PM
I feed my Scottie and my Shiba on Holistic Blend (chicken). They were previously on Nutro and Preformatrin, and I think they're much doing better on this food. Hamish's skin is better, and Suki's previously runny eyes have cleared up a lot. This food contains human standard ingrediants, which are organically grown and humanely slaughtered -- sounds better than the food I get!

goldenblaze
October 8th, 2004, 09:08 PM
We've talked with the owner of our local Global Pet Foods and we were informed that unlike other grocery store brands, Nutro does not add in the entire corn. Instead, they actually separate the kernels from the cob. It was actually one of the brands that they recommend.


I feed Nutro puppy and there is no corn at all...... what Nutro do you feed with corn?

Writing4Fun
October 8th, 2004, 09:19 PM
I just bought a bag of Nutro Natural Choice - Large Breed Puppy, and I'm thinking it's the last bag I'm going to buy (can you say gassy?? :eek: ). Here are the first five ingredients:
Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat Flour, Rice Flour
Has anyone tried the Actrium brand from WalMart? I think the ingredients are comparable to Nutro. Someone mentioned that the Kirkland brand from Costco is actually very good and made by another top quality manufacturer. Only problem is they don't have a large breed puppy formula at my Costco. Does Actrium fall into the same mold?

Cflat
October 8th, 2004, 10:48 PM
Nutro Natural choice Kitten, Senior Dog and adult dog here.
The list pitbulliest gave is pretty good with the super super premiums in my opinion on it. I can't afford Canidae or Wellness or I would try/feed them.

sue fox
October 9th, 2004, 12:58 AM
The Nutro Natural Choice Puppy that I feed Scottie has no corn, wheat, soy. It's Lamb and Rice, do you think the Large Breed just has the fillers? I didn't know there would be a different one for med. to lrg. breeds. I guess that would be for their rapid growth? I didn't really pay attention to that as my vet said "research it and try lamb/rice as easier on the digestion, also to look for calcium content" Which with Nutro was higher than some of the others. Scottie only eats about 1 1/2 to 2cups per day total with the Performatrin can. He's 15lbs now and isn't pooping like crazy like he was with the ProPlan, yuck :eek:
I agree about the Science Diet which is Hills brand(I think) we had looked at those too and it too is full of fillers.
Wish I had looked into all of this before for our first Wheaten maybe she wouldn't have been stricken with cancer sooooo young.
Anyway have a great Thanks giving everyone!!
Sue

pitbulliest
October 9th, 2004, 01:18 AM
Just to clarify...about Nutro..I'm not sure whether or not there are different kinds..or..different lines of the food, but the one I looked up was pretty lousy..I guess maybe the one you are all referring to is a holistic or natural line of Nutro..that's very possible..

...someone asked about the Pedigree? I would definately consider switching...it has too many additives, chemicals, and hormones in it..just not a healthy choice for your dog...as for Nutrience...yes someone mentioned it was made by Hagen..yup you're right it is...and like I said, I personally WOULD NOT feed my dog any of those brands.

Waggie. If your dogs are really active, you could start with any of those brands really. They are all holistic and contain good, human grade sources of protein for active dogs. Not to mention, the Wellness, and some of the other brands (I don't remember which ones from the top of my head) have blueberries and other fruit, which are a great energy booster and antioxidant...so it would be great for an active dog. Notice that with the "better" brands, the amount you feed your dog decreases? So its, say, 2 cups instead of 3...and so on? It really makes a difference...so back to your question..

I would start off with Wellness, just because I have more experience with that food than all the others. You'll definately notice a difference in your dog's coats...alot shinnier, thicker, less shedding...no smell..MY DOG DOESN'T SMELL! lol...
There are 3 main varieties with the Wellness:
Fish and Sweet Potatoe
Chicken
and Lamb..
it all depends on what your dogs like..mine personally aren't that crazy about the chicken...but they love the fish..moreso than the lamb...and lamb is a little higher in fat so you might want to consider that as well..but if you say your dogs are quite active, then its not a problem. I tend to rotate between the three since no dog wants to eat the same thing for the rest of their lives..

I noticed Messina getting a little tubbier from the food..because it is quite rich...if you ever have that problem..well you know what to..increase exercise, OR lower the amount of food give, OR switch to the Wellness "lite"...

:) Hope that my rumbling on and on answered some of your guys' questions

Sheriffmom
October 9th, 2004, 01:11 PM
Just a quick question.... We were originally feeding Sheriff with Natural Balance (no perservatives etc...) this is the brand our breeder recommended. After Sheriff got sick though, we switched (as the vet said he probably had an allergy, and the fact Natural Balance doesn't make a puppy food, or any other size/age specific food). We asked the Vet what he recommended and he gave us a list of 4. We asked him to just tell us what to buy, what his opinion was on which was best. He told us to go with Science diet med. breed puppy. Why is it that Science Diet is so bad? (The vet doesn't sell it in his clinic either... they only sell Med-cal) Why would a vet recommend a sub-standard food? Sheriff has definetly improved since we started adding the SD into his mix, instead of the Natural Balance.
I really want to be feeding Sheriff the healthiest possible food, and am wondering what makes Science Diet so bad. (Honestly looking for opinons... not trying to stir any pots :) )

pitbulliest
October 9th, 2004, 07:03 PM
About science diet..the most obvious reasons about why its definately "down there"...to start off with, it contains BHA and BHT as a preservative..which is a big no no...its definately not a good thing...and good quality dog foods do not use BHA as a preservative..so your vet lied when he told you it contained no junk in it...BHA has been proven to cause cancer as far as I remember reading...

Second of all..science diet contains corn, soybean meal, and peanut hulls. Corn is not the greatest thing to be feeding your dog...and soybean is known to cause some severe allergies in dogs..not to mention, large amounts of it have been found toxic...peanut hulls..well...lol I think that one speaks for itself...

Third of all, it doesn't contain any chelated minerals, probiotics, or good sources of antioxidants (veggies)..which make the food, in my opinion, pretty pointless...

Here's a part of an article about dog food ingredients that I found quite interesting..surprisingly..these chemicals/additives are found in alot of brands of dog food:

"The salt content of many pet foods can be as high as 1000 times more salt than what your pet needs in one day. The excess salt can cause high blood pressure and heart disease in animals. Epilepsy is now more common in dogs than in humans. Semi-moist pet food usually contain as much as 25% sugar which can come in many forms such as sucrose, corn syrup, beet pulp, and caramel to name a few. Other foods can contain up to 10% propylene glycol. Both sugar and propylene glycol are linked to obesity, allergies, tooth decay and other problems like forms cancer. Propylene glycol sister ethylene glycol is used in the making of anti-freeze and to think it's in the food we feed our pets. Once again, our foods like common salad dressings contain propylene glycol also (just read the label). A relatively new ingredient in pet food is ethoxyquin which has been implicated with thyroid problems, hair loss and reproductive disorders. A component of ethoxyquin - quinoline - is regarded by some in the scientific community as the ultimate carcinogen. Ethoxyquin is made by Monsanto, the same company that makes the lawn pesticide known as Roundup, the Bovine Growth Hormone and Monsanto also makes the chemicals sprayed onto new carpets. Ethoxyquin which was originally created as a rubber hardener has also been used as a pesticide and at one point was deemed 'harmful and deleterious', but in 1958, Monsanto had its lobbyists influence politicians. The result was Monsanto had the laws changed. Monsanto must have had good lobbyists because in order to get the laws changed, it took an Act of Congress known as 'The Food Additive Amendment of 1958'. This ammendment was passed making the words in the law say that exthoxyquin was safe even though studies showed its toxicity! The real scary part about ethoxyquin is that it is undectable and so even though a label may not read it has ethoxyquin, it could be there."

wAggie
October 9th, 2004, 10:36 PM
pitbulliest, thanx a bunch for bolding my name!! It's hard to notice w so many posts right now :o

I am VERY cautious of getting them onto Wellness. It seems to me as a complete fad - this veggie diet. ...

hmm, I've just checked out the ingredients:

Super5Mix® Chicken - Dry contains : Deboned Chicken, Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Rye Flour, Menhaden Fishmeal, Whitefish, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Millet, Canola Oil (preserved with Rosemary, Vitamin C & E), Flax Seed, Amaranth, Dried Peas, Dried Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Whole Apples, Whole Blueberries, Whole Clove Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Yucca Schidigera, Probiotics (Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Prebiotics (Inulin, Fructose), Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Copper Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate ( a chelated source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.

the bold, i'm not happy over.
the italicized is good :)
and the underlined... wtf?! do HUmans take in copper w their foods??

here's Lamb:
Lamb, Lamb Meal, White Fish, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Rye Flour, Ground Millet, Amaranth, Flax Seed, Canola Oil (preserved with Rosemary, Vitamin C & E), Dried Peas, Dried Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Whole Apples, Whole Blueberries, Whole Clove Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Yucca Schidigera, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Chicory Extract, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Copper Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate ( a chelated source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.

fish & potato:
White Fish, Ground Barley, Rye Flour, Menhaden Fish Meal, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Canola Oil (preserved with Rosemary, Vitamin C & E), Flax Seed, Beta-Carotene, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Copper Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate ( a chelated source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid.

this last one doesnt have the fruits and veggies.. but I HAVE heard that this mix is excellent for dogs w allergies..

HMM>.... thanx for the info, I'll plan to head out to the pet stores this wk, and do some more research ;)

Sheriffmom
October 10th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Thanks Pitbulliest.... I had no idea it contained those perservatives!! I have read about them, and wanted to avoid giving them to Sheriff, so when I didn't se them listed on the bag, I thought Science Diet didn't use them!! I am thinking strongly of switching his food.... I might wait though until it's time to get him off Puppy food and into adult food... simply because this is the first food that he's been on that doesn't give him diarrhea, it is also the first food he's been on that has not led to the Vet (for vomiting). He also has had more energy, and his coat has been much improved (this could all be attributed to the additives of baby food, cottage cheese, and Yoghurt though), but I am just worried that if we switch him again, he'll get sick again :( . But, I will think about it, you've made a strong case for us to switch. What do you guys think about us waiting until he goes to adult food? (He's 8.5ms now) I'd love to hear your guys suggestions... I really respect what most of you have to say, and would love to get your spin on it. (Especially due to his past medical probs)
Thanks in advance :)
Jess

wAggie
October 10th, 2004, 03:56 PM
I checked out Nutro Natural Choice today at Pet Valu, and OMG, how gross!

I looked over Chicken, and Lamb ingredients and saw FAR too much "filler."

Eagle Pack did NOT look any better.

those two are definitely off my list in attempt to improve my dogs' diets.


this afternoon, we gave them chicken, potatoes, and penne, oh and some cooked califlower (left overs) :D

btw, isn't performatrim pet valu's brand name? noooooo thank u. that's not "high" quality food either.


my narrowed list now:

Timberwolf Organics
Wellness (by Old Mother Hubbard): unsure at this time
Wysong
Urban Wolf
Solid Gold: I'm most interested in this one right now
Canidae (this is borderline between good food and decent)
Innova (same opinion as Canidae)

Shelly
October 10th, 2004, 04:57 PM
Hi, I was just wondering where you can buy Wellness or Solid Gold dog food in Canada? Particularly BC?

wAggie
October 10th, 2004, 06:01 PM
I see Welness @ Super Pet, they highly recommand it.

melanie
October 10th, 2004, 06:44 PM
i have said before that i use predigree, and i use the australian version which has many products with no corn, preservatives or addatives and contains lots of meats. dont rag out a company or entire brand, how about saying in canada or the USA, but not a generalisation. i consider myself a very well informed dog owner and have found some of the pedigree product in australia to be brilliant and i personally use them often and would reccomend them to anyone, i would not reccomend canadian or anything but these products have been great for us in australia and they are made in australia..

i also use a product called natures gift, aussie owned and made, no addatives or anything but meat and veges.

a new product is being advertised here, it is called optimum. i know several ppl using it and the first ingredient is corn, so fancy does not equate to quality. the price is also $10 for 3kg which is a joke if you ask me.

for us its either pedigree, natures gift or supercoat which is supported by Dr harry, the aussie celebraty vet.

pitbulliest
October 10th, 2004, 10:27 PM
Hmm...alot of posts since I last checked..

Uhm..about performatrin...why did you say it was a bad food? I actually found it quite appealing...the ingredient chart I was checking out made me happy..lol so I dunno...

As for Eagle Pack..which line did you look at? It has to be the holistic premium...as Eagle Pack also carries just their regular line of food..which I agree..isn't that dandy..

The question about rice...and barley..and oats..or ...whatever was asked..those things are bad for your dog..most foods WILL contain some traces of those carbs...I feed my dog rice and its not a problem..I don't see why people freak out over it so much...barley is quite healthy as well..it aids in digestion and is used as an ingredient when feeding sick dogs with stomach problems...

Anyways...I guess everyone just has to look around and see whats best for your dogs.

wAggie
October 10th, 2004, 11:42 PM
the day I adopted Chocolate from the scar. SPCA, we walked into the Pet Valu where the guy told me Performatrin was best for my pup. I only bought that one bag. for the life of me, I cannot recall what the ingredients were/are.. do you?

as for the Eagle Pack, yes, I was checking out the Holistics.

anyways, I can only feed my dogs so much pasta/potatos/rice. they need meat!! as do we.


this sounds to me as tho we may be beginning a discussion on the pros and cons of vegetarian foods... ??

sue fox
October 11th, 2004, 09:57 AM
Again about the Nutro, I checked out the ingred. the other day and on the net. The Nutro Max contains all the fillers the Nutro Natural Choice does not with the exception of the Puppy Large Breed. Nutro does not contain all the extras like vegies and fruit but if you feed the treats with these and flax seed than doesn't that balance things out? Doesn't make sense but if you are including Rice as a filler I guess you're right. I'm thinking the wheat, corn, soy, preservatives are the NO NO's? Isn't this right? rice is better than wheat from all the research I've done. But I did look at Nutros treats and was VERY disappointed all the fillers were in there, no wonder they were so cheap!LOL! So the owner suggested the Wellness treats, the one with yogurt oatmeal apples bananas flax seed etc. Scottie just loves them sniffed the carpet for 5min afterwards But oH!!! The GAS :eek: :eek: Hopefully he just has to get used to them. I also checked out the Canadea(sp) snap biscuits and they contain all the fillers too. Guess I'll just stick with the dogsownpantry and Wellness.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. We had our big doo yesterday at our house and Scottie just loved all the attention, I was very proud of him we had a few kids over and he was the perfect GENTLEman but is POOPED today ;) ;)

sue fox
October 11th, 2004, 10:11 AM
Shelly Is there a PETVALUE in BC? If they don't have what you need they will order it. At least here in Southern Ont. they have offered to and they carry a lot of the holistic brands. Hope you find it.
Sue/Scottie
Soft coated Wheaten Terrier 18wks

pitbulliest
October 11th, 2004, 01:37 PM
Newsflash :rolleyes:

Commercial pet food companies must list on their food packages all preservatives, etc. that they use when producing same.

Commercial pet food companies do NOT have to list on their food packages any preservatives, etc. contained in products they buy from their suppliers. Point being, their suppliers could be using God knows what to preserve products they sell to pet food companies.

Your sarcasm and rudeness never ceases to amaze me...I've heard alot of people complain about your sarcasm and snotty attitude in different posts..we're having a discussion about dog food..I don't know what you're trying to do here.

Although you're right about certain preservatives not showing up on ingredient lists..you'll find which companies use BHA or BHT on the internet...just by reading the basic ingredients, its really not that difficult to figure it out...usually takes most people some COMMON SENSE. if its NOT hormone free, it won't say its hormone free...not to mention, certain holistic brand companies have their livestock that is used in the food...Wellness is my primary example...have you ever personally been to any of their food processing plants?

Anyways..here's another link about natural pet food for anyone that wants to read up on it some more:
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/natural.html

Do some research..its not that difficult to figure out which foods are crap and which aren't..most people in here get the hang of it..and none of us are arguing..we're just sharing information to help one another make the best decisions for our dogs..I don't understand why you need to bring your rude attitude into it.

sue fox
October 11th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Gee I'm not sure how to respond to you two :mad: :p :o :( :rolleyes:

heidiho
October 11th, 2004, 02:28 PM
I understand feeding your dog the best food possible,but i do know plenty of people who cant and there dogs are healthy happy dogs also....My mothers dog lived til 13 and ate one of those regular brands of dog food,and he wasnt always at the vet for problems....Just my opinion.......

Shelly
October 11th, 2004, 03:45 PM
What is the difference between the ground corn and corn meal? Which one is the better of the two?

wAggie
October 11th, 2004, 03:51 PM
i would presume it's ground corn.

kinda like the difference bc ground chicken or chicken meal.

"meal" consists of all and any part of the chicken. kinda like mcdonalds meat :eek:

sue fox
October 11th, 2004, 04:55 PM
HEIDHO I agree with you growing up we had a miniature poodle/runt and she lived to be 19yrs. and overweight!! ate kibble and fried hamburger etc. Also my mother-in-law's ****a-poo also a runt and lived with 3 different members of the family ate reg dog chow and scraps lived till he was 18yrs. was never sick!! The question is do dogs live longer now with the knowledge we have or do they have shorter lives? I am hearing of many dogs now dieing at middle age 6-10yrs. mostly of cancer. It's greatto have all this info. but I feel like I'm going overboard/spoiling my Scottie. :confused: :o
Sue

heidiho
October 11th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I really just dont remmeber all the hype about dog food 15 years ago,and our dog was pretty healthy

heeler's rock!
October 11th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Anywho, you always seem to pick a fight with me in EVERY single post on this forum..and you know what? You're only making yourself look pretty darn bad by dong so. I don't need to argue with you, because there are alot of great people on here that I would be disrespecting...they come here to chat, not to listen to this crap..hence this conversation is finished. I have nothing more to say to you..please do not waste my time, or anybody elses..with your long, boring, bitching. And thank you

I agree. You do pick on pitbulliest in every single post on a thread she's on, when she's not even addressing you!!! I've been following this "feud" you have started with her for a while. Not really following I guess, since you are rude to her on every single thread and everyone here can read it for themselves. I don't appreciate reading your rudeness on every single thread on this board.

If you have nothing nice to say, PLEASE DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!!!! Your negativity has no place here.

pitbulliest
October 11th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Like I said before, I'm not going to argue...

LavenderRott
October 11th, 2004, 11:02 PM
Of course not. :rolleyes:



Go ahead. :cool:



Do you know the meaning of "projection"? Look it up, because that was a classic case of projection on your part.



I knew what you meant - most people here knew what you meant. It's too bad you dislike learning from anyone else.



Quote me then.



Yes, I do. Unfortunately, you don't read them - you just go ballistic.



How do you know what I believe? A reminder dearie, you don't know everything. But then you already know that don't you. :rolleyes:



Sorry, it's the other way around. Go back and read your posts to me. If you don't like the responses, you'd better start showing some respect when you direct a post to me.

I simply cannot believe that you have been permitted to post your abusive, disrespectful and slanderous posts for as long as you have been doing.

:eek:

Actually, this is not the first discussion that YOU have turned into a nasty thread. Quite frankly, it is getting a bit redundant. Respect is a two way street.

heeler's rock!
October 11th, 2004, 11:49 PM
Well Dinah, whether you believe it or not, you have been rude not only to pitbulliest, but to everyone who dare opposes anything you say. I have been following your posts and there are rarely any nice ones. Lavender is right, respect is a two way street. You need to give it, to get it.

Your quote to pitbulliest:
I knew what you meant - most people here knew what you meant. It's too bad you dislike learning from anyone else.

It would be nice to learn from someone that isn't negative and sacastic. No one can learn anything from you because you are so rude about everything you say. You just make yourself look bad and no one takes you seriously, even when you have a good point.

heeler's rock!
October 11th, 2004, 11:50 PM
I simply cannot believe that you have been permitted to post your abusive, disrespectful and slanderous posts for as long as you have been doing.

Ditto from me to you Dinah......

LavenderRott
October 11th, 2004, 11:57 PM
You might want to check with Marko to find out who the moderators are.

heeler's rock!
October 11th, 2004, 11:58 PM
Hey, easy. I read this thread and others, and you are always the one starting it with pitbulliest. She defends herself, which she has the right to. I would support you if the tables were turned, but you have been picking on her. Go back and read the posts pitbulliest has made to you. I'll bet you that you'll see that you have insulted her and her posts to you were all in self defense.

wAggie
October 11th, 2004, 11:59 PM
Dinah, really.

this isn't the place to bash others. this site has rules, and everyone is expected to follow them. even you.

I dont know what u've been posting, and I don't care.

but I'm bored w your negativity.


perhaps this would be a good idea to go and take a walk, cool yourself down.

turn off the computer, and connect to "real life."


I hope then you will see there's better things out there than sitting in front of a monitor, attempting to put others down.

heeler's rock!
October 12th, 2004, 12:18 AM
Pitbulliest started with me over in the BSL thread and hasn't let up.

I just went over that thread, and you started it with her. Here's what you said after she got mad at BTPB for good reason.

Naive, gullible, scumbag. Go read the admin's thread on namecalling. :eek:

Who are you to tell anyone when they are welcome to post in this thread? :eek: :mad:

She was talking to BTPB, not you, and you still jumped on her. You were quite mean to BTPB yourself, as was I, and it wasn't fair of you to jump on pitbulliest for doing the same. It was all down hill from there and you've been on her ever since.

Anyways, I'm done with this. We're all guilty of being rude now and then, but at least we can admit it. You seem to be blind to your own faults, but no one else's. I'm done with this.

moontamara
October 12th, 2004, 12:48 AM
Well in that case, anyone else want to talk about dog food? :p :p :p

wAggie
October 16th, 2004, 07:30 PM
ok, here's an update of what I found out today from various pet store associates throughout Toronto.

Eagle Pack: their quality of ingredients is inconsistent. they are the only dog food product that do not have a representative, there are no refunds and if you would like to reach someone for questions/concerns, you get an answering machine.

Timberwolf Organics: wasnt able to located a store that sold this brand

Wellness (by Old Mother Hubbard): actually ended buying the fish/sweet potato type! the serving quantity is greatly reduced for Chocolate's daily diet. w Nutrience, it was 3 1/3 to 4 3/4. Wellness allows me to give Choco btw 2-3 cups!

Wysong: actually, a gentleman in one store along w another co-worker gave this brand the thumbs up.... I saw the bag in another store, but I cant recall why I declined on this selection.. :o :)

Urban Wolf: looked amazing, the food was all natural. HOWever, the 5kg bag was a WHOPPING $79.99!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: like, OMG!!! AND they still recommanded Choco be fed btw 3-4 cups... I think at that point, I would shop in an organic food store, rather than get the blended selection. :rolleyes:

Solid Gold: we actually brought this bag to the checkout... BUT I remembered to look at the cup intake... and again, this was 4-5 cups for Chocolate! uh-uh, no thanx.

Canidae: this brand was in the store, but no one promoted it...

Innova: another good brand that was recommanded. but only if you arent concerned about your dogs gaining weight, since the first 2 ingredients are meat.

Praire: I also really liked this brand. pretty much the same ingredients as Wellness but about $8 more expensive..

Nature's Harvest: this would have been a good buy (would have saved me $30!!!) but this brand contains poultry meal. 2 thumbs down, sorry!

:)

Gazoo
October 22nd, 2004, 06:22 PM
Another excellent choice not mentioned that I could see.........

is Acana Premium Adult.

It's made in Edmonton from Canada Human Grade ingredients.

In Calgary I pay about $32 per bag. Premium human grade food cheaper than Nutro b/c it's local.!!!! :crazy:

Great food at a great price and it's supporting our economy!!

Here's the link.

http://www.championpetfoods.com/aboutus.html

Ingredients
Chicken meal, whole grain corn, whole grain rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, citric acid and rosemary extract), beet pulp (sugar removed), flax, natural chicken flavor, mannanoligosaccharides (MOS), potassium chloride, inulin (FOS), choline chloride, salt, yeast culture, lysine, dried whole garlic, lutein (marigold extract), dried whole egg, yucca shidigera, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), vitamin A acetate, cholecalciferol (vitamin D), dl alpha tocopherol acetate (vitamin E), ferrous sulfate, *zinc bioplex, zinc oxide, niacin, calcium pantothenate, copper sulfate, *copper bioplex, manganous oxide, *manganese bioplex, riboflavin, calcium iodate, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, cobalt carbonate, menadione sodium bisulphite complex (vitamin K), vitamin B12. *chelated mineral

Protein (min.) --- 26.0% Vitamin E (min.) --- 200 IU/kg
Fat (min.) --- 16.0% Vitamin C (min.) --- 50 mg/kg *
Fiber (max.) --- 3.0% Omega-6 (min.) --- 2.75% *
Moisture (max.) --- 10.0% Omega-3 (min.) --- 0.3% *
Calcium (min.) --- 1.1% ME --- 4,270 kcal/kg
Phosphorus (min.) --- 0.9% DE --- 4,500 kcal/kg
Lutein (min.) --- 5 mg/kg *

LavenderRott
October 22nd, 2004, 07:30 PM
That sure looks better then some of the stuff on the market, but I wouldn't feed it to my girls. Corn is the second ingredient. No corn in this house. She can't digest it (most dogs can't) and it gives her green cloud gas.

Gazoo
October 22nd, 2004, 08:00 PM
Acana is 46% human grade chicken as the first ingredient.

Whole grain human grade ground corn is fine.

Why can't dogs digest ground whole grain corn?

They can digest corn just not as fully as rice.

sue fox
October 22nd, 2004, 08:04 PM
I agree with that no corn here either. And what is MOS? never seen that in any of the ingredience list before :confused:

Gazoo
October 22nd, 2004, 09:37 PM
MOS is a prebiotic. Helps stimulate/maintain proper balance of gut bacteria.

Much like a probiotic but more stable.

sue fox
October 22nd, 2004, 10:04 PM
thanks Gazoo for the info. Corn is still a filler and difficult for SOME dogs to digest. (will possibly need to eat more?) From what I understand it can be an allergin culprit for dogs as wheat and soy can. Acana is one I'd never heard of, being in southern Ontario myself, probably not available here.

Bearsmom
October 23rd, 2004, 04:43 PM
When we first rescued Bear, we had him on Nutrience Large Breed Puppy food. About a month after he was on it, he alternately stopped using his back legs. After a visit to the vet, she recommended that his food be changed, (the Nutrience was making his bones grow faster than his tendons and muscles could handle) so we changed him to the highly recommended food that the vet suggested. Shortly thereafter, he began to get severe hot spots all over his neck and face. It was then determined that Bear was allergic to beef based foods. We tried him on several different food brands before ultimately finding that Walmart's Actrium Chunks is the only food he doesn't get hot spots with. And he loves it. Plus, it's about 5 bucks for 100 lbs of it. :D

Mysts38
October 23rd, 2004, 09:27 PM
Hannah was on a food recommended by the breeder,Pro Plan..but she just wasnt eating more than 11/2 cups per day and I was getting concerned. I was told she should be eating 2 1/2 per day.So today I switched her to Nutro Large breed and she gobbled it up..I really think that she wasnt getting enough nutrition with the other dog food

She was only pooping twice a day as well and I noticed she had gas(she farted alot)...Well after two meals of the Nutro..shes had two poops..so I think her system is working alot better.

Nutro isnt cheap,but I maintain that a good dog food,provides good health and alot less trips to the vet

goldenblaze
October 23rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
Hannah was on a food recommended by the breeder,Pro Plan..but she just wasnt eating more than 11/2 cups per day and I was getting concerned. I was told she should be eating 2 1/2 per day.So today I switched her to Nutro Large breed and she gobbled it up..I really think that she wasnt getting enough nutrition with the other dog food

She was only pooping twice a day as well and I noticed she had gas(she farted alot)...Well after two meals of the Nutro..shes had two poops..so I think her system is working alot better.
Nutro isnt cheap,but I maintain that a good dog food,provides good health and alot less trips to the vet


Blaze has been feed Nutro Natural Choice large bred puppy since I brought him home at 8 weeks. I believe it is a great food and you are right it is not cheap. BLaze eats as much as he wants as I have always free feed and only 16kg bag does us about 5 weeks. Yes he does eat people food too, fruit, veggies, cottage cheese loves feed. I asked our Vet about when to put Blaze on Nutro large bred adult and she thinks around 12 months no sooner then 11 months. Puppy food is designed for puppies now not like yrs ago when it was just puppy food for all puppies. Anyway I think they grow to fast and don't stay a puppy long enough why rush it to adulthood. :)

sue fox
October 24th, 2004, 03:57 PM
Gazoo
Looked up the Acana, not impressed with the Chicken based but liked the Lamb and Rice Formula too bad the closest retailer is 100miles away from me. Also tried to look up the MOS and couldn't find any info on it. If it's prebiotic does this necessarily mean it's natural? Sounds like a preservative to me. :eek: :(

Gazoo
October 24th, 2004, 05:30 PM
MOS is definitely NOT a preservative and is natural. :D


Mannan-oligosaccharides, which is usually referred to as MOS is derived from the outer wall of yeast cells. It agglutinates or binds to pathogenic bacteria so that they cannot become attached and established in the host animal. It is used in animals to minimize the number of pathogenic micro-organisms and their negative effects.

sue fox
October 24th, 2004, 05:59 PM
Thanks Gazoo
I looked it up again(spelt wrong) and found it for human usage and you're right sounds like a good thing!! funny haven't seen it in any other dog food, perhaps missed it :thumbs up

amber777
November 2nd, 2008, 12:17 PM
I have been looking for a new good food for my dogs and have been considering either Acana/Orijen or Taste of the Wild. Can anyone tell me if they have tried either of these and which is better for the dogs?

Laylapet
November 2nd, 2008, 11:09 PM
Solid Gold: we actually brought this bag to the checkout... BUT I remembered to look at the cup intake... and again, this was 4-5 cups for Chocolate! uh-uh, no thanx.

I can't speak for the other brands, but the SG bag says to feed my dog 5 cups as well, and she was porking up on 2 1/2 cups! She now gets a little less than 2 cups and is at a good weight.

This has also been my experience with many other dog foods. The manufacturer tends to make a very high estimate.

I would guess if your dog is in the 50 - 60lb range and has an average metabolism 2 cups or so (3 at most) would be plenty.

DoubleRR
November 3rd, 2008, 11:09 AM
This thread is 4 years old--please see the new thread for amber 777's question.

rainbow
November 6th, 2008, 03:09 AM
Here is the new thread....

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=57950