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Big dog in apartment?

TanjaBelieve
October 19th, 2011, 04:20 AM
Are there any breeds of dog that can live in an apartment? Ive heard that Samoyeds can live in apartments as long as they get a good amount of workout every day. Im just interested in more breeds of big dogs that you can have in apartment.

Melinda
October 19th, 2011, 05:31 AM
as long as they get the exercise they need, any large dog can live in an apartment, grey hounds are couch potatoes, so are labs if taken out at least 3 times a day for a good run.

cell
October 19th, 2011, 07:57 AM
Danes are also good apartment dogs. They tend to be calm indoors. Going through puppy stage with a large breed in a apartment might be difficult though.

Longblades
October 19th, 2011, 11:34 AM
I've always wondered at those claims made that some giant breeds are good for apartments, (Newfs, Danes, Saints) because their exercise requirements are relatively low. They still have to go out to bathroom. And they do need some exercise.

So isn't it just that once you get them out they don't need to be out as long or go at it as hard as say a Lab? But they still need out. So to my mind it boils down to how much time the owner has to spend exercising and working with the dog and not how many times up and down the stairs or elevator to get out, it's how long you stay out that counts and that is not a factor of being in an apartment? Comments?

Melinda
October 19th, 2011, 11:55 AM
exactly longblades as I was saying, doesn't matter where they lay their heads....umm bodies*L* as long as all their exercise requirement are met, and that is up to the owner.

Dog Dancer
October 19th, 2011, 11:59 AM
House or apartment you need to take your dogs out to exercise them. As much as possible. Especially younger dogs. Large dogs can be very active - such as Malamutes, labs, etc., other large breeds are very content to be a couch potato (labs can fall into both categories). But regardless of them being "content" to sit in the apartment, they still need the mental and physical stimulation of outside training, socialization, exercise, etc. A tired dog is a good dog.

marko
October 19th, 2011, 12:45 PM
I've always wondered at those claims made that some giant breeds are good for apartments, (Newfs, Danes, Saints) because their exercise requirements are relatively low. They still have to go out to bathroom. And they do need some exercise.

So isn't it just that once you get them out they don't need to be out as long or go at it as hard as say a Lab? But they still need out. So to my mind it boils down to how much time the owner has to spend exercising and working with the dog and not how many times up and down the stairs or elevator to get out, it's how long you stay out that counts and that is not a factor of being in an apartment? Comments?


+1 - 100% agree.

The only additional points i have to make is that...
1 - the temperature of the apartment might make a difference to a samoyed. We all know hot air rises so if there isn't any AC, your Samoyed may be very warm at certain times of the year. If this is the case, then a house with a basement would be better imo for dogs that love the cold.
2 - If the apartment has a lot of clutter OR has antique-like valuables lying around and you are very concerned about damage...a big breed (especially ones with very active tails and especially if they are active puppies and you are out all day long ) might not be best in that case.

As mentioned several times in this thread, apartment living in no way should imply reduced exercise.

Good luck!

Longblades
October 19th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Taking it a step further, IF an apartment dweller does not have the yard care responsibilities a homeowner does, no grass cutting, snow blowing to mention only the two biggies. THEN that owner has more time to spend with their dog so is actually in a better position due to having more time to devote to exercise. :)

Ok, I'm being silly. But, hey, I did take Logic 101 at University. If p then q. :)

dashn'us
October 19th, 2011, 01:48 PM
We live in an eight story apartment building on the 6th floor. Although our dog and most of the dogs in here are smaller breeds, there are some husky's and lab's that I see walking around. We make sure Dash goes out for some walks a few times a day and we try to go to the off-leash dog park as often as we can. I agree with all the previous posts. It's all about exercise and stimulation for the little guys :)

breeze
October 19th, 2011, 02:49 PM
+1 - 100% agree.

The only additional points i have to make is that...
1 - the temperature of the apartment might make a difference to a samoyed. We all know hot air rises so if there isn't any AC, your Samoyed may be very warm at certain times of the year. If this is the case, then a house with a basement would be better imo for dogs that love the cold.


I have to disagree with this one, both my dogs (actually all my dogs) love the cold, and even though in the winter the house is warm for us humans or in the summer where the house is still very hot and humid my dogs never go down into the basement where it's cooler.

marko
October 19th, 2011, 04:16 PM
You are of course free to disagree Breeze :)

But I try to word things carefully when I post.

In this case I basically said a Samoyed might possibly be warm in a warm apartment.

Just because your Non Samoyed doogers (gorgeous doogers btw) don't get warm does not negate the possibility that some Samoyeds may get warm.

Am I still offbase? If am please feel free to slap me upside the head :D

breeze
October 19th, 2011, 04:29 PM
Marko, mine DO get very very warm, in summer and in the winter..

I had a husky and she never used the basement even in the summer when we didn't have A/C.. she just got use to the environment :o she would shed a lot more I found in the summer though..

but you are right "SOME" dogs may find the heat unbearable

and marko I never slap upside the head :D

breeze
October 19th, 2011, 05:36 PM
All in all,
I would look at the space, before getting a big dog for an apartment
:2cents:

Myka
October 19th, 2011, 07:15 PM
Personally, I don't think big dogs belong in apartments. The reason I would be against recommending it is that there will be days that are too hot, too cold, or too miserable to spend much time outdoors and your dog will still want to get some exercise. I had an 85lb Pit Bull/Boxer cross in a 1000 sq ft condo for a couple years. She was 22" at the shoulder (she's in my avatar too). She was a couch potato, but was always easy to "get going" even when she was 11 years old! I found the limited space of the condo made it difficult to do simple things like throw a ball. I personally think that a treadmill is definitely a strong recommendation for any dog in an apartment, but especially for a large dog (no matter their activity level). I also think that no matter how good a person's intentions are when they get their new dog that very few people will have the same time and exercise commitment to their dog after a few years as they did in the first year.

There are some breeds of dogs that are small/med that have "big dog" personalities, so maybe you could be happy with one of these smaller dogs. At the very least, consider adopting a dog that is at least 3-4 years old so that you can skip the energentic puppy stage. A puppy in confined space? Probably not the best idea.

cell
October 19th, 2011, 08:00 PM
With a big dog in a apartment you may find more issues renting (some places allow small dogs but not large). Large dogs can produce more damage much faster then a small dog. Housebreaking accidents will also be no small matter.

Loki Love
October 19th, 2011, 08:00 PM
While I'm not necessarily against large dogs being in an apartment, I'm a worry wart and I always think about the future too. What happens if the next apartment/dwelling won't allow such a large dog? Some places have size and weight limits on animals. Something to consider before going for the biggest dog out there :)

I do know a few people who have raised Danes successfully in a 1 bedroom, downtown apartment :) It can be done as long as you're realistic about what it all entails :)

BenMax
October 20th, 2011, 06:21 AM
Let's get real here.
It depends on the age of the dog, not necessarily the breed of the dog and also on the activity level of the dog you want.
Just so that it is clear, there are some small dogs that clearly cannot live in an appartment due to excessive barking...this can also go for big dogs.

Best advice is to consult with a rescue group that have their dogs foster home based. They will be able to advise you based on real live experience what dog will do well and what dog will not.

People who live in appartments MUST take their dogs for necessary walks. There is no choice as those that live in houses who just toss the dog in the backyard without any further 'adventure'.

Be wise and considerate towards your neighbours. Ensure that your dog is well behaved and that you follow through with training and outdoor activity. Again my best advice is to consult with a rescue group. They know the dogs in their care.

marko
October 20th, 2011, 03:17 PM
For me the size of the apartment in and of itself is a non issue. Dog-proofing the space, landlords that may dislike pets, neighbors that may dislike pets, barking excessively - those are the issues but not necessarily the size of the apartment itself.

Both humans and dogs (in general) prefer more space to less space. We all want to live in bigger spaces.

Most people are larger than their dogs so if a small apartment is large enough for a human, it's likely large enough for any sized dog (so long as they regularly get out and get the exercise that their breed and age requires). :2cents:

BenMax
October 20th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Both humans and dogs (in general) prefer more space to less space. We all want to live in bigger spaces.



Dogs do not care about living spaces. They care about getting affection and a good loving owner. They have no clue or concept of what 'space' means - big or small.:2cents:

Myka
October 20th, 2011, 09:14 PM
Weird. I'm usually the oddball poster who is more lax about whatever situation is at hand, but this time I'm the more conservative one. Maybe it is because I need a yard, and have always found my dogs to enjoy the yard immeasurably!

Stacer
October 21st, 2011, 12:08 PM
IMO, where you live with your dog is not as important as HOW you live with your dog. We have a large dog and lived in a 1 bedroom apartment on the 12th floor when we got her, we knew it wasn't necessarily ideal. We just made sure to exercise her often outdoors, spend weekends hiking and camping in the good weather and took her to offleash areas on a daily basis.

If you're responsible about how you handle a dog in such close proximity to other people, then size shouldn't really matter.

All that being said, we subsequently have moved into a house so we could give our big girly more space... :D

Melinda
October 21st, 2011, 12:14 PM
hey Stacer *hugs* now you see what I mean......an apartment, large dog, no problem for owners that see to their exercise.

Stacer
October 21st, 2011, 12:41 PM
Hey Melinda! :D

BenMax
October 21st, 2011, 01:16 PM
Weird. I'm usually the oddball poster who is more lax about whatever situation is at hand, but this time I'm the more conservative one. Maybe it is because I need a yard, and have always found my dogs to enjoy the yard immeasurably!

Funny isn't it. I am usually more hard lined however this time I tend to give a little more in this subject matter. This is why:
1 - times have changed. People now live in smaller spaces. Because of this, animals (compact or not) can and will adjust. The excuse that animals cannot accompany their owners because of a space issue, really concerns me.
2 - ideally we would also want our pets to have someone home most of the day. In this day and age, this simply is not ideal. Nowadays, both people need to work to make a living. Now I know this #2 has nothing to do with the question at hand, however it is relevant to indicate that there is a trend in making adjustments to today's requirements.
3 - having dogs go from condo environment to now a home has had no bearing on them whatsoever. The extra space is just that..extra. It has provided them no more or less comfort than before. It has not enticed any of them to play more, nor go outside to a fully backyard. The backyard is actually now my convenience.

I will say this however. Living in a home with a backyard is very convenient when house breaking a dog. This is the only real advantage that I have experienced.

Please note: In the condo (900 sqft), I had a GSD, min pin X, a shih tsu and 5 cats. We absolutely were not cramped at all. I have now moved into a 2000 sqft home, with now 4 cats, 5 dogs and 3 foster cats. The space provided me the ability to foster cats. That's about all it did really.

067734m
November 4th, 2011, 04:03 PM
We have a 50lb beagle/hound mix (read: "beagle on stilts") in our two bedroom/two bath apartment and it works out great. We are all very comfortable. I think our dog may even be getting a better deal than someone with a yard as we go on "off-territory" walks everytime we go out (as opposed to just letting your dog out in the same backyard). We do exercise a lot and usually go out on long weekend hikes. So I'd say apartments do require a little more attention to your dog (great for your dog). I am thinking of getting her a jacket or something for the winter as the temp changes could be a little extreme - it's our first winter...

BenMax
November 5th, 2011, 09:42 AM
We have a 50lb beagle/hound mix (read: "beagle on stilts") in our two bedroom/two bath apartment and it works out great. We are all very comfortable. I think our dog may even be getting a better deal than someone with a yard as we go on "off-territory" walks everytime we go out (as opposed to just letting your dog out in the same backyard). We do exercise a lot and usually go out on long weekend hikes. So I'd say apartments do require a little more attention to your dog (great for your dog). I am thinking of getting her a jacket or something for the winter as the temp changes could be a little extreme - it's our first winter...

Thank you for posting your experience. I could not agree with you more.
Every dog is an individual. There are big breed couch potatoes that do not have to have big spaces to be comfortable.
I think of dogs in cages at the shelters. I ask myself would they prefer being in a cage and possible freezer, or would they prefer a loving environment. Hands down, I think I know what the answer would be.

Myka
November 5th, 2011, 12:01 PM
1 - times have changed. People now live in smaller spaces. Because of this, animals (compact or not) can and will adjust. The excuse that animals cannot accompany their owners because of a space issue, really concerns me.
2 - ideally we would also want our pets to have someone home most of the day. In this day and age, this simply is not ideal. Nowadays, both people need to work to make a living.

Hmmm, I don't think I could agree less. :shrug:

#1 - For thousands of years the trend has always been that people on larger land plots tended to have larger dogs. Indoor dogs tended to be smaller. Large palaces with land often had fairly large dogs like Bourjois, Saluki, etc. The dogs tended to suit their purpose. This should still be the same - people should choose a breed that suits their life, instead of trying to cram a square into a circle hole. What time has changed is that now people have dogs based upon their wants/likes rather than needs, which ties into #2.

#2 - One of my absolute biggest pet peeves is when people say both spouses have to work to make a living. This is absolutely false, but getting into this subject is REALLY off-topic and needs its own thread if we should carry on discussing.

Etown_Chick
November 5th, 2011, 05:38 PM
Just my two cents. I have a very active, medium-size dog. When I got him I was living in a house with a huge yard, blocks from the dog park. We went every day and he ran his ass off..
Now I live in a motel (temporarily), lots of walks, off leash a few times a week. I'm more cramped than Scruffy is. He's adapted beautifully. He has a comfy place to sleep, he can still drive me nuts with fetch, gets lots of walks, meets lots of humans, all the things he needs to make him happy. Dogs adapt.
I wouldn't have a mal in an apt, though, they'll shed you to death. But a short coat dog without the insulating layer of fur that a mal has would likely do just fine. But I would agree, it makes future rentals difficult, if not impossible. The reason I am in a motel is that I can't find a place to rent that takes a 45 lb dog, never mind a dane or some such.

BenMax
November 5th, 2011, 06:17 PM
Hmmm, I don't think I could agree less. :shrug:

#1 - For thousands of years the trend has always been that people on larger land plots tended to have larger dogs. Indoor dogs tended to be smaller. Large palaces with land often had fairly large dogs like Bourjois, Saluki, etc. The dogs tended to suit their purpose. This should still be the same - people should choose a breed that suits their life, instead of trying to cram a square into a circle hole. What time has changed is that now people have dogs based upon their wants/likes rather than needs, which ties into #2.

#2 - One of my absolute biggest pet peeves is when people say both spouses have to work to make a living. This is absolutely false, but getting into this subject is REALLY off-topic and needs its own thread if we should carry on discussing.

You do not have to agree at all. You have your opinion, I have mine. As I deal with dogs on death row I guess I am more inclined to find them in a home with love than in the freezer.

If the OP is going the rescue route, then the rescue would only place a large dog that would do well in a small space setting. They know their dogs and what is acceptable and what is not. Large dog does not necessarily require large space. It depends on the temperment, requirement and behaviours of that particular dog.

As for two income families and inflation..well that is up for discussion in another thread. Good point.

BenMax
November 5th, 2011, 07:08 PM
Just my two cents. I have a very active, medium-size dog. When I got him I was living in a house with a huge yard, blocks from the dog park. We went every day and he ran his ass off..
Now I live in a motel (temporarily), lots of walks, off leash a few times a week. I'm more cramped than Scruffy is. He's adapted beautifully. He has a comfy place to sleep, he can still drive me nuts with fetch, gets lots of walks, meets lots of humans, all the things he needs to make him happy. Dogs adapt.
I wouldn't have a mal in an apt, though, they'll shed you to death. But a short coat dog without the insulating layer of fur that a mal has would likely do just fine. But I would agree, it makes future rentals difficult, if not impossible. The reason I am in a motel is that I can't find a place to rent that takes a 45 lb dog, never mind a dane or some such.

I am more inclined to go by someone who is experiencing this as you currently are, rather than what people think.
And you are right, dogs do adapt.

emilie42
November 5th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Are there any breeds of dog that can live in an apartment? Ive heard that Samoyeds can live in apartments as long as they get a good amount of workout every day. Im just interested in more breeds of big dogs that you can have in apartment.

Is this for yourself ? In an earlier thread you mentioned moving to a big house out in the country and you already had a German shepherd?

Love4himies
November 8th, 2011, 08:11 AM
I agree with BenMax, it is not about the breed, it is about the individual dog. Keeping neighbours and the landlord happy is a must in condo/apt living, so having a dog that is not a barker or gets anxious when the owners are at work is so very important.

Dogs will adapt to a routine, so having 5000 sq ft or 500 sq ft is of no difference to a dog.

Love you suggestions of going to a rescue that has fostered dogs, BenMax. They will be able to match you up with a dog that meets your needs :thumbs up

BenMax
November 8th, 2011, 09:15 AM
Love you suggestions of going to a rescue that has fostered dogs, BenMax. They will be able to match you up with a dog that meets your needs :thumbs up

When in doubt, go the rescue route!
Having well over 200 fosters in my lifetime, I knew these animals very well and was able to successfully pass on information about the dog (or cat) and advise what is the best for the animal. Granted, I did have large and small dogs that were not for appartment or condo living based on their behaviours and activity level...as well as their vocal communication.:).

Choochi
November 8th, 2011, 02:16 PM
You can't generalize about the dog's size or even breed being a precursor to if the dog will fit well in apartment living.

I know examples of all sorts of large breeds, GSDs, Pointers, Great Danes, Newfs, where the dog is either a couch potato that would do fine in an apartment with adequate exercise, or ones that are energetic nut balls that would be bouncing off the walls.


Honestly, there really isn't that much of a difference to the dog if he's living in a 1000 sq ft apartment or a 1100 sq ft bungalow with a small yard. It all comes down to the owner's commitment level and available time and energy to keep the dog exercises and entertained. An apartment dweller has no choice but to take the dog out for a walk, some one in the house can easily chuck the dog in the backyard and never walk it. The space you live in is by no means an indication of how dedicated of a dog owner you are.

That aside, would I want to live in a 500 sq ft condo with a large shedding drooling Newf regardless of how lazy it is? No, you would constantly be bumping into the dog, personally it would drive me nuts. Even if the dog is lazy, all dogs get the occasional zoomies or a desire to stretch out a little.

If you do want a near sure bet, the only dogs I can think of would be retired racing greyhounds, and you would be saving a life. Otherwise case by case rescue, where you can fairly evaluate the dog's ability to live in an apartment and be happy. Samoyeds, since they have been mentioned I think of as outdoorsy dogs, not ones that like to sit inside. Plus they can be pretty vocal, some thing that could get you kicked out in an apartment.

yogibear
January 10th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Hi, after owning a saint bernard and a newfoundland both very laid back dogs yes there are exceptions mine are both couch potatoes and were rescued at about a year so their personality and energy levels were easy to pick. I would not pick a dog that was from a hound group too loud for a apartment or to hairy unless you don't mind the dog groomers every month since temp do not regulate very well they will blow their coats alot trust me. yes greyhounds are big couch potatoes but they will take up your couch if you do not like a dog on a couch they are not for you and the italian grey hounds are very hard to house break even if you have a yard many people use pee pads for them even when they have a fenced in yard same for min pins don't get me started yes I have one of those also. But I would def take a big laid back dog any day when you are researching what kind you would like make sure when you look them up it says energy level 1 not 10 and you should be fine low energy equals I am happy with a daily walk and then we can be couch potatoes I know not all low level energy dogs might not be the look you like but you have to pick based on your needs and how long you will be home everyday if you are at home and can go out several time a day a lab will be fine otherwise he will chew your house up or cry in the crate while you are gone for not having enough exercise. I hope this helps you in your dog search. My saint goes out runs 3 laps newfy does 5 then looks at me as if to say I'm done lets go in. Hence that is why I have a min pin the boys wanted a dog that moves let me tell you he is not for the faint of heart or those who are couch potatoes

Hanora
February 20th, 2012, 11:21 PM
I used to have three dogs - 12 lb, 20 lb and 55 lb. We lived in several small apt.s and the dogs never complained.

They each had a bed for alone time. They never had any desire to go off into a room I was not in. In my experience, one's dog lives in a 20 ft radius of oneself which is why they are so good to trip over. The yard issue is a whole other thing.

We did not always have access to a yard and I must say that a yard makes things much easier for the owner but can make the owner less likely to go for a proper walk. A big yard can accommodate some good games and they can get some exercise but it's fairly boring as the scent landscape is same old/same old. Wandering around the back yard is not the same thing as eagerly following your nose down the street checking peemail. Dogs like to travel and you can't travel in the back yard so, if you're able bodied, it doesn't really matter whether you live in a house or an apt.; either way you should go for a walk.

2c from a newby :thumbs up

lalalorz
February 21st, 2012, 12:17 AM
We have a BullMastiff puppy living in a 30 foot max bach apartment, with a CRAZY chorkie.
before you all freak we are moving to a bigger place but it is still an apartment. They both do swimmingly, we only go on one small walk a day, and a drive to take dad to work. They work each other out. BullMastiffs are supposed to be a lazy bum breed. sleep all day and night if you let them. I have a friend with a BM who can barely be pressed to get up to go pee and eat! Make sure you do your research and look into exactly what you want and what will be good for that pup but don't stress yourself over what everyone else is going to think as long as you have gumption and research on your side.

MIA
April 1st, 2012, 12:20 PM
I had a GSD in an apartment and she didn't care, once I moved to a house and it made no difference except I got lazy and didn't walk her as much cause I had a yard for her to potty in!

As for small dogs in apartments, well I have a MinPin and he has 10 times the energy of my larger dog.

It's a matter of the dog, the owner and how much you want to devote to your dogs needs. Dogs don't care where they live as long as their needs are met. Look at NY, few people live in houses with big yards and many have dogs and they all live happily in a large dense city.