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Last option with Ivermectin - Kyra's skin problems

LovNKyra
September 28th, 2011, 12:19 PM
My female Pit Bull rescue Kyra has been plagued for years now with hair loss, itching, and sores! Done everything from food changes, to steroids like prednisone, to allergy shots! I want to try Ivermectin, but my vet does not! I've purchase Ivermectin 1% cattle & swine 50ml elsewhere, and need to know the dosage formula for oral treatment! She is 48 pounds at present! Hope someone can help asap! Thanks!

Dog Dancer
September 28th, 2011, 02:54 PM
I'm sorry I can't help you with dosage information, but I would recommend you get a second vet opinion before you opt to self medicate your girl. I know you want to help her, but perhaps your vet has a reason to tell you not to give her the Invermectin. Good luck to you with your girl.

Digston
September 28th, 2011, 05:25 PM
Has your vet done skin scrapings on her? I'm assuming thats the first thing they would have done. If your vet is choosing not to treat with Ivermectin due to a clean skin scraping it may be wise to have another one done just to be sure.
But I agree with Dog Dancer, the best thing to do is to find out precisely why the vet has chosen not to treat with Ivermectin.
P.S. In my experience Ivermectin has always been most effective injected. I don't think orally dosing her would be the best option. But again, contact your vet for a more in depth reason for his/her decision and perhaps ask if there would be any harm in trying the treatment.

Choochi
September 28th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Why not contact another vet for a second opinion instead of self medicating with a product made for a different species? I would be worried that the cattle formula is different and could cause harm to a dog.

LovNKyra
September 29th, 2011, 10:57 AM
She's the only vet in the area! She started out having scrapings down which showed demodex mange, and gave me some shampoo that was black, and smelt bad! After about a month she had another scraping which showed 2 mites in the result! The vet said this was normal, and that I no longer needed to treat her! within days the sores increased, hair fell out, , scratching, and chewing got intensified! A return visit to the vet has told it's allergies, and was prescribed Prednisone! After about 4 months of this drug, vomiting, diareah, and a zombie like dog now almost completely bald I'd had enough! Return to the vet, paid 400 for an allergy test, results were allergies to 32 things! After 2 years of allergy desensatization shots with no results I desided to do things my way! Switched her to a veggy, and fish diet! After only 3 weeks the sores were gone yet the scratching remained! Oddly enough the allergy test states that she is most allergic to mixed fish! Funny how fish made her better no? Anyways, Returned to the vet asking questions! She prescribed Revolution, and after 2 months of this, plus her sores returned I asked about Ivermectin! She says it rarely works, and she refused to do it saying it could be lethal! So all this brings me to here! Hope this clarifies things! Is the dosage 1/10th cc for every 10lbs of dog weight?

Love4himies
September 29th, 2011, 11:42 AM
Have you tried a natural, raw diet?

LovNKyra
September 29th, 2011, 10:49 PM
Have you tried a natural, raw diet?

Canadae for 6 months, and raw diet for 2 months! She refused the raw diet after that, and that's when I put her on the Canadae! Neither did anything besides getting rid of eye boogies, and glossing up her coat!

growler~GateKeeper
September 30th, 2011, 12:30 AM
I asked about Ivermectin! She says it rarely works, and she refused to do it saying it could be lethal!

I would heed this warning from your vet :2cents: especially since your dog obviously has a compromised immune system that is unsuccessfully attempting to fight off something that has not yet been diagnosed

From http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ivermectin.html
WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO BUY
LARGE ANIMAL FORMULATIONS OF IVERMECTIN (SUCH AS IVOMECŪ)
THROUGH CATALOGS, WE STRONGLY DISCOURAGE THIS PRACTICE
BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL TO EASILY GIVE A TOXIC DOSE
IF THE PRODUCT IS INCORRECTLY USED.

LARGE ANIMAL FORMULATIONS ARE MUCH MORE CONCENTRATED
AND IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE A DOSE APPROPRIATELY
FOR A SMALL ANIMAL ESPECIALLY IF ONE IS ATTEMPTING
TO MEASURE A DOSE APPROPRIATE FOR HEARTWORM PREVENTION.
THERE IS TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL FOR SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS
IF IVERMECTIN IS INAPPROPRIATELY DOSED.

I would suggest a consultation with a trained homeopathic vet, even one you can contact via phone/email if you don't have one in your area.

LovNKyra
September 30th, 2011, 01:27 AM
I would heed this warning from your vet :2cents: especially since your dog obviously has a compromised immune system that is unsuccessfully attempting to fight off something that has not yet been diagnosed

From http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ivermectin.html


I would suggest a consultation with a trained homeopathic vet, even one you can contact via phone/email if you don't have one in your area.

No, I'm done throwing away my time, and money on these so called experts! I'm almost certain it's demodex with the symptoms, and results from her diet starving the parasites! Even this forums Dr.Lee has mentioned Ivermectin as an option for combating demodex! I just need to varify the dosage since my local vet will not help me! Dr. Lee if your reading please help!!

hazelrunpack
September 30th, 2011, 09:39 AM
LovNKyra, it's never a good idea to use Ivermectin without the supervision of a vet. Ivermectin can be toxic in dogs with a certain genetic susceptibility. The susceptibility most often but not always is found in the collie breeds. It can be fatal to dose with Ivermectin if your dog has that susceptibility.

And if your dog does not have demodex mange it's an unnecessary risk since Ivermectin will not help. In addition, we are not vets here, and we can't prescribe dosages for you.

Is there no other vet in the surrounding area that you can go to? At the very least, another scraping needs to be done. If it's still the demodex, there there will lots of mites present. (But yes, a few mites will be present on most dogs without causing disease--the mange occurs only when the immune system doesn't keep them in check.)

I strongly urge you to find another vet somewhere and get a second opinion. If there is demodex mange present, the vet you see will give you the proper dosage of ivermectin for your dog and, more importantly, be there as backup if she reacts badly to the meds.

LovNKyra
December 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Okay here goes! Before I started her on ivermectin she was on an all fish, and veggies diet, but she was slowly starving. I switched her over to the ivermectin, and also switched her diet back to dog food. She began to get worse, and worse. I now have her back on her fish, and veggies with the ivermectin but as I feared she is now losing weight again. Could someone by any chance recommend an additive to help her gain weight that I could add to her food? I've now had her on ivermectin for about 3 weeks now with no improvement.
I'm thinking she is alergic to something in the dog food. I've had her on non allergenic dog food, and she still gets the same problems as regular dog foods. On just fish, and veggies the sores completely go away within a week yet she still scratches. I'm so lost on what to do now. As soon as the vet heard I was giving ivermectin to my dog she decided she no longer wants to treat my dog in any way. I've never been more stressed, and helpless in my entire life!
Somebody help me!!

Love4himies
December 11th, 2011, 06:35 AM
The only way you are going to be able to tell what she is allergic to is either by allergy tests or an elimination diet. AND the only way you are truly going to know the ingredients is with a homemade diet. It could be anything in the dog food that is causing the allergies. However, if you can't make a homemade diet, then one food company that I do trust is Wellness. They have a line of dog food, called Simple Solutions that has 3 different flavours:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=dog&ft=1

It would take about 6 weeks for allergies to disappear.

LovNKyra
December 11th, 2011, 11:16 AM
The only way you are going to be able to tell what she is allergic to is either by allergy tests or an elimination diet. AND the only way you are truly going to know the ingredients is with a homemade diet. It could be anything in the dog food that is causing the allergies. However, if you can't make a homemade diet, then one food company that I do trust is Wellness. They have a line of dog food, called Simple Solutions that has 3 different flavours:

http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=dog&ft=1

It would take about 6 weeks for allergies to disappear.

She's done the test as well as the desensitization needles. Tests says she is allergic to pretty much everything under the sun. Needles did nothing at all. Did these needles for close to 3 years. I figured it was a false diagnosis, and figured it may be mange. I've had her on prednizone, revolution, non-allergenic diets, ivermectin, raw diets, homemade veggy/fish diet, and nothing worked except for the fish, and veggy diet. This diet worked in about a week removing all sores, but when she scratches it is still to the point of bleeding. She is supposed to be allergic to fish so this diet working has me stumped which is why I figured false diagnosis. Only other thing that worked great was prednizone, but that made her a zombie, gave her diarrhea, and upset stomach.

MaxaLisa
December 12th, 2011, 02:20 AM
Okay here goes! Before I started her on ivermectin she was on an all fish, and veggies diet, but she was slowly starving. I switched her over to the ivermectin, and also switched her diet back to dog food. She began to get worse, and worse. I now have her back on her fish, and veggies with the ivermectin but as I feared she is now losing weight again. Could someone by any chance recommend an additive to help her gain weight that I could add to her food? I've now had her on ivermectin for about 3 weeks now with no improvement.
I'm thinking she is alergic to something in the dog food. I've had her on non allergenic dog food, and she still gets the same problems as regular dog foods. On just fish, and veggies the sores completely go away within a week yet she still scratches. I'm so lost on what to do now. As soon as the vet heard I was giving ivermectin to my dog she decided she no longer wants to treat my dog in any way. I've never been more stressed, and helpless in my entire life!
Somebody help me!!

Why was she starving on the ivermectin? I'm not sure that makes sense?

Have you had her on digestive enzymes and probiotics?

Usually with allergies, you need to take a bunch of stuff out of the diet, but they also need support as in extra nutrients.

since the ivermectin hasn't helped, I'm guessing that yuo've stopped it? I think that you should tell the vet that you've stopped it - you need to have a vet that you can go to.

What type of veggies have you been feeding? Any other supplements?

MaxaLisa
December 12th, 2011, 02:23 AM
She's done the test as well as the desensitization needles. Tests says she is allergic to pretty much everything under the sun. Needles did nothing at all. Did these needles for close to 3 years. I figured it was a false diagnosis, and figured it may be mange. I've had her on prednizone, revolution, non-allergenic diets, ivermectin, raw diets, homemade veggy/fish diet, and nothing worked except for the fish, and veggy diet. This diet worked in about a week removing all sores, but when she scratches it is still to the point of bleeding. She is supposed to be allergic to fish so this diet working has me stumped which is why I figured false diagnosis. Only other thing that worked great was prednizone, but that made her a zombie, gave her diarrhea, and upset stomach.

Allergy shots really do nothing for food allergies, only for environmental allergies.

The allergy tests aren't perfect. If the proteins in the fish are different than those used in the test (regional difference? I dunno), then they can disagree. Some things will change also depending on the way it's cooked. For example, allergic to green beans, not allergic to very steamed green beans, kinda allergic to partially cooked!

LovNKyra
December 12th, 2011, 11:41 AM
@MaxLlisa

I now changed from the canned fish to ham with the veggies. She's not starving because of the ivermectin, she's starving because of the veggies. I'm feeding her giant mixing bowls full of veggies with ham(was fish) and its just not keeping her weight up. I have not stopped the ivermectin as I was told it could take up to 5 weeks to see any results, and she's only been on it for 3 weeks. I have added the ham, complete egg, and cottage cheese to the veggies so hopefully that will help her with the weight loss. Any suggestions would be great. At the moment she is still on ivermectin, and is eating ham, veggies(lettuce, celery, apples, radishes, peppers, garlic, egg with shell, cottage cheese), and that is all she gets.

MaxaLisa
December 12th, 2011, 08:18 PM
The ivermectin just makes me nervous. A Preventic collar can be a low dose alternative to help with mites (same family as ticks). We had a very itchy dog on the GSD forum - after everything, it was antibiotic treatment that worked, as it appeared to be a low level staff infection. I dunno, itxhy dogs are so tough.

Ham, usually a very bad food - highly processed, high salt, etc. Better if you can buy some lean pork (if pork is tolerated), bake it up, cut, and feed. If you are a memebr of Costco, definitely the best price - you want to get the chops, unprocessed. Fed my allergy girl this for nearly a decade.

I also used steamed green beans with her (frozen pack from Costco is most economical). The boy here seems to be allergic to them, they are in the legume family, and he's allergic to peanuts, so they must share a similar protein. Peas might give more substance, but being very starchy, might not be tolerated. Squashes, sometimes pumkin can be tolerated. For my limited boy, I feed some olives, beets (non-pickled), water chestnut, sauerkraut, a touch of artichoke hearts, and a small bit of a brocoolli and cauliflower mix. Carrots are an allergen here. I use coconut oil, and a touch of organic safflower oil when he gets o-6 deficient.

Eggs are a great form of protein and good fat if tolerated. I'm assuming that eggs and diary are not on the allergy list then?

Probiotics are important. If fish is tolerated, I would try fish oil, maybe borage oil, if it appears that oils are lacking - sometimes just these things alone can help with the itchies. I always covered my bases with a multivitamin, and a B complex.

LovNKyra
December 12th, 2011, 11:32 PM
The ivermectin just makes me nervous. A Preventic collar can be a low dose alternative to help with mites (same family as ticks). We had a very itchy dog on the GSD forum - after everything, it was antibiotic treatment that worked, as it appeared to be a low level staff infection. I dunno, itxhy dogs are so tough.

Ham, usually a very bad food - highly processed, high salt, etc. Better if you can buy some lean pork (if pork is tolerated), bake it up, cut, and feed. If you are a memebr of Costco, definitely the best price - you want to get the chops, unprocessed. Fed my allergy girl this for nearly a decade.

I also used steamed green beans with her (frozen pack from Costco is most economical). The boy here seems to be allergic to them, they are in the legume family, and he's allergic to peanuts, so they must share a similar protein. Peas might give more substance, but being very starchy, might not be tolerated. Squashes, sometimes pumkin can be tolerated. For my limited boy, I feed some olives, beets (non-pickled), water chestnut, sauerkraut, a touch of artichoke hearts, and a small bit of a brocoolli and cauliflower mix. Carrots are an allergen here. I use coconut oil, and a touch of organic safflower oil when he gets o-6 deficient.

Eggs are a great form of protein and good fat if tolerated. I'm assuming that eggs and diary are not on the allergy list then?

Probiotics are important. If fish is tolerated, I would try fish oil, maybe borage oil, if it appears that oils are lacking - sometimes just these things alone can help with the itchies. I always covered my bases with a multivitamin, and a B complex.

For foods my girl is allergic to corn, chicken, oatmeal, and carrots. Yup, I feel like if something isn't working like the ivermectin, then why continue it? So, ya I think I'll stop with that. I thought the same thing as you on the ham, but it was all I had at hand, and I just want to test it as an alternative to the fish to see if there will be any signs of improvement. Thank you for the list of ingredients also. I'll be making a shopping list for sure with that. I hope your pooches are doing well. This itching problems are so damn hard to deal with! It's pretty bad when I can't even go to the bathroom without my dog with me! lol.

UPDATE- Actually she might already have signs of getting better! All the redness is gone so I'm hope it's a start!
http://i42.tinypic.com/25spqg0.jpg

MaxaLisa
December 13th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Just a few thoughts.


I would stay away from all poultry, poultry flavorings, and poultry fat, at least until she is strong enough to challenge with things like turkey or duck.

You can probably rotate in some lean beef, lamb is probably cost prohibitive. I used to give my girl eggs in the morning and pork in the evening. Max here is okay only on beef and lamb, so he gets only beef, occassionally lamb, and salmon about once a week.

The body needs nutrients to repair. I would try to find a multivitamin to help repair. You will need to add some calcium. I've been using a product called Nutramin for that, but for years I used NOW calcium carbonate. I would consider adding some beta carotene, and also zinc. You have to be careful with longterm zinc, but short term, the body needs it to heal. I would also consider a b complex supplement. I like country life's action B-50 because it is yeast-free. That is what I used for my 35 lb girl. For Max here, I use Jarrow's B-right B complex, which is probably a better product and also yeast free. Honestly, I don't know which one is really better. Vitamin C is also important, as collagen is an important part of the skin.

This would be great if she is already getting better. If this is mange (and it sure looks like it could be), then the key in the long run will be to rehab the immune system.

LovNKyra
December 13th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Just a few thoughts.


I would stay away from all poultry, poultry flavorings, and poultry fat, at least until she is strong enough to challenge with things like turkey or duck.

You can probably rotate in some lean beef, lamb is probably cost prohibitive. I used to give my girl eggs in the morning and pork in the evening. Max here is okay only on beef and lamb, so he gets only beef, occassionally lamb, and salmon about once a week.

The body needs nutrients to repair. I would try to find a multivitamin to help repair. You will need to add some calcium. I've been using a product called Nutramin for that, but for years I used NOW calcium carbonate. I would consider adding some beta carotene, and also zinc. You have to be careful with longterm zinc, but short term, the body needs it to heal. I would also consider a b complex supplement. I like country life's action B-50 because it is yeast-free. That is what I used for my 35 lb girl. For Max here, I use Jarrow's B-right B complex, which is probably a better product and also yeast free. Honestly, I don't know which one is really better. Vitamin C is also important, as collagen is an important part of the skin.

This would be great if she is already getting better. If this is mange (and it sure looks like it could be), then the key in the long run will be to rehab the immune system.

I thought it was mange but I've had her for several scrapings showing very little which the vet said was normal, I had her on revolution, and now ivermectin none of which made any improvement. So is it mange or isn't it? This is why I figured allergies but once again I've exasperated efforts with that to very little success. All this just numbs my brain! It's literally a full time job trying to fix this dog!

So you say pork, with veggies, and add in suppliments for vitamins, calcium, iron, ect is a good diet for my pooch?

MaxaLisa
December 14th, 2011, 12:19 AM
I thought it was mange but I've had her for several scrapings showing very little which the vet said was normal, I had her on revolution, and now ivermectin none of which made any improvement. So is it mange or isn't it? This is why I figured allergies but once again I've exasperated efforts with that to very little success. All this just numbs my brain! It's literally a full time job trying to fix this dog!

So you say pork, with veggies, and add in suppliments for vitamins, calcium, iron, ect is a good diet for my pooch?

I guess I'm confused about the ivermectin, since you said she was getting better.

did you say that you had been working with a Dermatologist? I've seen dogs on the forums like that need antibiotics, and others with mange. I honestly don't know. Has she ever been on antibiotics?

This dog, pictures on page 1, it was infection and needed antibiotics: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/140191/1

Treatment plan: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/149881/Re_Mason_Skin_Issues_Thoughts#Post149881

before and after pics (antibiotics + change in diet)
http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/151203/Re_Mason_Skin_Issues_Thoughts#Post151203

I have to worry about staph, pyoderma, or even an autoimmune skin condition. I think I might have tried some antibiotics before the ivermectin, since your vet has tired the revolution, etc.

On the diet, a good diet is one with foods that your dog will tolerate, and then you need to balance it as best you can. You will have to see how she does on the pork. My girl did very well on it, my boy, no, it was not good for him at all, he's a beef boy.

LovNKyra
December 14th, 2011, 10:56 AM
I guess I'm confused about the ivermectin, since you said she was getting better.

did you say that you had been working with a Dermatologist? I've seen dogs on the forums like that need antibiotics, and others with mange. I honestly don't know. Has she ever been on antibiotics?

This dog, pictures on page 1, it was infection and needed antibiotics: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/140191/1

Treatment plan: http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/149881/Re_Mason_Skin_Issues_Thoughts#Post149881

before and after pics (antibiotics + change in diet)
http://germanshepherdhome.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/151203/Re_Mason_Skin_Issues_Thoughts#Post151203

I have to worry about staph, pyoderma, or even an autoimmune skin condition. I think I might have tried some antibiotics before the ivermectin, since your vet has tired the revolution, etc.

On the diet, a good diet is one with foods that your dog will tolerate, and then you need to balance it as best you can. You will have to see how she does on the pork. My girl did very well on it, my boy, no, it was not good for him at all, he's a beef boy.

Yup, she was on antibiotic which worked for the sores, but she just kept adding more with the scratching. The absolute best thing so far has been a diet change. I had it to the point of all the redness gone, sores gone, hair growing back, but still some scratching although much less than before. I'm really hoping the diet change from the fish to the pork will be the deal maker. After 5+ years I'm out of a job, out of money, and out of ideas. At some point I need to get on with my life, and realise I can't do anything else for her. Unfortunately with the stupid BSL laws that will probably mean putting her down, and that will absolutely destroy me. Please diet WORK!!!

Love4himies
December 14th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Another option is to get some venison. If you can get some whole duck or goose, then she'll be getting 100% nutrition because you can feed your dog the bones for calcium and other important minerals. I, personally, am not a fan of chemical supplements, I prefer to get my nutrition through natural means.

Another important mineral that I didn't see MaxaLisa mention was magnesium. It is important for cell wall health. Halibut, spinach, sunflower seeds are rich in this mineral (as are raw bones).


MaxaLisa has a great point, the immune system needs to be strengthened to help in the healing.

LovNKyra
December 14th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Another option is to get some venison. If you can get some whole duck or goose, then she'll be getting 100% nutrition because you can feed your dog the bones for calcium and other important minerals. I, personally, am not a fan of chemical supplements, I prefer to get my nutrition through natural means.

Another important mineral that I didn't see MaxaLisa mention was magnesium. It is important for cell wall health. Halibut, spinach, sunflower seeds are rich in this mineral (as are raw bones).


MaxaLisa has a great point, the immune system needs to be strengthened to help in the healing.

Unfortunately I live in a very small town, and have exhausted my income so no wild meats. I do however feed her spinach. I stated lettuce before but It's actually spinach. I also feed her 1 whole egg with shell for some calcium.

MaxaLisa
December 15th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Yup, she was on antibiotic which worked for the sores, but she just kept adding more with the scratching. The absolute best thing so far has been a diet change. I had it to the point of all the redness gone, sores gone, hair growing back, but still some scratching although much less than before. I'm really hoping the diet change from the fish to the pork will be the deal maker. After 5+ years I'm out of a job, out of money, and out of ideas. At some point I need to get on with my life, and realise I can't do anything else for her. Unfortunately with the stupid BSL laws that will probably mean putting her down, and that will absolutely destroy me. Please diet WORK!!!

I hear you, I have a very high maintenance dog here, and for awhile, I had two of them at the same time, and it was very risky financially. It's very difficult when you have to balance all of these things, AND they don't seem to be getting better :(

Some dogs don't do well on pork, some do, there's no way to tell until you try it. From the supermarket, it was more expensive, but Costco always had it $2.99 or less per pound. Compared to fish or beef, etc., that was a bargain.

Yes, I probably forgot about a lot of nutrients, magnesium included! As for the calcium, I recall somewhere reading that it was 1 eggshell per pound of meat, but my memory might be off. Extra biotin can also help with skin conditions, and is pretty safe.

It's important to take out offending things, feed nothing else, and put in extra nutrients.

LovNKyra
December 29th, 2011, 04:10 PM
Well, no change from fish, to ham, and now pork. Still scratches. I give up. This cant be allergies! So ruling out allergies, and mange, what else could this be? Perhaps, an anxiety issue? If so, any suggestions?

hazelrunpack
December 29th, 2011, 08:06 PM
It can take 8 weeks for an allergic reaction to subside. How long are you allowing between protein changes?

LovNKyra
December 29th, 2011, 08:32 PM
It can take 8 weeks for an allergic reaction to subside. How long are you allowing between protein changes?

Surely I'd see atleast some inprovement within that time?

MaxaLisa
December 29th, 2011, 09:46 PM
Well, no change from fish, to ham, and now pork. Still scratches. I give up. This cant be allergies! So ruling out allergies, and mange, what else could this be? Perhaps, an anxiety issue? If so, any suggestions?

It could be lack of some nutrients too...

These itchy dogs, they are so tough.....what if it's like three things, and you need to just hit the magical combination?

So......is there any improvement in her skin, her sores, her fur?

There are a few things left to try. The drug-free option, would be to use the herbs scullcap and St. John's Wort. Start with 2 scullcap twice a day, and 1 SJW, twice a day, taken together, and I would prefer away from food. The other thing I would consider is adding the supplement called Canine Complete.

SJW can interfere with many medications, so be sure to search for any interactions. If she is still on ivermectin, and it hasn't helped a significant amount, I would be sure to stop it.

LovNKyra
December 29th, 2011, 10:44 PM
It could be lack of some nutrients too...

These itchy dogs, they are so tough.....what if it's like three things, and you need to just hit the magical combination?

So......is there any improvement in her skin, her sores, her fur?

There are a few things left to try. The drug-free option, would be to use the herbs scullcap and St. John's Wort. Start with 2 scullcap twice a day, and 1 SJW, twice a day, taken together, and I would prefer away from food. The other thing I would consider is adding the supplement called Canine Complete.

SJW can interfere with many medications, so be sure to search for any interactions. If she is still on ivermectin, and it hasn't helped a significant amount, I would be sure to stop it.

Switching the dog food to fish, and veggies got rid of all sores, had the hair growing back, but still she'd scratch, and still abit of red by the end of the night. Mornings she's completely clear of redness. What does scullcap, sjw, and canine complete help with? What type of drugs are they?

MaxaLisa
December 30th, 2011, 05:17 AM
Switching the dog food to fish, and veggies got rid of all sores, had the hair growing back, but still she'd scratch, and still abit of red by the end of the night. Mornings she's completely clear of redness. What does scullcap, sjw, and canine complete help with? What type of drugs are they?

Okay, so there is some huge progress, there's just the itchies to deal with.

I will be honest, those itchies are baffling, and the herbals are more of a trial, but the scullcap and sjw have worked here for that...

The scullcap relaxes the nervous system and releases tension and is the thing that has helped my boy the nost when he appears to itch for no reason. There is some condition of the nervous system that can make them itch - can't think of the name.

The SJW can act as an anti-anxiety supplement, and can also help relieve some pain, particularly low back pain. Think of it also as a mild anti-depressant, and it also affects some neurotransmitters. It can elevate mood and focus, help anxiety, relieve some pain. This one you have to be careful of for the long term, because it will act as an anti-depressant after many months of use, but initially, for a trial, not a concern.

Here I just use the Nature's Way brand for the scullcap and SJW, nothing fancy. These herbs are relatively cheap, in the grand scheme of things, it's the Canine Complete that is the more expensive product.

The Canine Complete is primarily for the thyroid. While the thyroid may test fine, sometimes it's just not working right. It also contains a few other things to support the body, including vit C, enzymes, probiotics (probiotics are big!). I would look around for the best price, but here's the product: http://www.thewholisticpet.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/product.display/Product_ID/542

I have a friend that tried everything to get the fur growing back on her dog, and the CC worked extrememly well for his fur and skin condition, and that dog was already on adequate thyroid replacement. I'm real big on probiotics too, and in some dogs, just probiotics alone can help with the itchies.

No guarantees, but after the improvements with the diet, this is what I would try next. If that doesn't work, I'm not exactly sure what my next step would be. It might be that we just have to interrupt the cycle and provide the body with some extra nutrients now that the food seems to be right.

chico2
December 30th, 2011, 09:41 AM
LoveNKyra,I just read all the posts,what a terrible situation both for you and Kyra.
I am glad we have so many experienced people here,trying to help.
Kyra looks to be a beautiful dog and I sincerely hope,there is a miracle cure for her:pray:

LovNKyra
December 30th, 2011, 10:45 AM
Okay I'll try those, and thank you chico2. Without these forums i'd be lost for sure.

Rgeurts
December 30th, 2011, 11:40 AM
I'm sorry to see that your girl is having so many issues, poor her and poor you! I know how frustrating it is. We have a boy with too many issues to list. And add to that, major itchies now as well :wall:

He seems to be allergic/sensitive to most things he eats. He gets a home cooked diet as well. We feed him a dehrydrated veggie/fruit mix that has a balanced calcium/phosphorus ratio that you add water to, then add your protein. It's called The Honest Kitchen and the formula is called "Preference". It takes the guess work out of making sure they are getting all the nutrients. We add baked Wild Pink Salmon and cooked Ground Beef. But now one of our vets thinks he may be allergic to the Beef, so he will be getting just Salmon for a few weeks to see if that helps with his itchies. She also gave us something to try, though I will wait until next week to speak with our Holisitic vet and make sure there won't be any conflicts between that and what he's taking now, but it's called Dermoscent Essential 6 Spot-On. I have read several reviews and it gets raves from other dog owners who have allergy/itchy dogs and other dogs with skin issues that couldn't be pinpointed. It almost sounds too good to be true lol, but at this point, I'm willing to try it as long as there will not be any interactions with his regular herbs :)

Maybe you can give that a try as well? The reviews all say it took about 4 weeks, but the skin conditions cleared up, no more sores or flaky skin and a wonderful coat. Good luck to you both!

Rgeurts
December 30th, 2011, 12:05 PM
This is a link to the product info:

http://www.drugs.com/vet/dermoscent-essential-6-spot-on-can.html

You can also check Amazon.com. There are a few reviews there and you can order it for much cheaper than the vet. Once we try it, if it works, I will be ordering a few from Amazon :)

Rgeurts
December 30th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Oh, I also wanted to add that since he was put on the home cooked diet, he has had trouble keeping his weight as well. He did have worms, 2 different types, which didn't help! Our Holistic vet said some dogs need a healthy grain to keep their weight stabilized so he reccomended oats. We purchased wheat/rye/barley free oats from Planet Organic and it put the weight back on him (1 cup cooked oats with each meal, fed morning and night). But now since he has gotten the itchies so bad, we're afraid it may be the oats also. He seems to develop sensitivities to almost everything once he's had it for any length of time. Soooo... we're going to try Millet. It's supposed to be one of the least allergenic of the grains, but still has a lot of nutrients in it. Maybe you can try Millet for your girl since she is allergic to oats. If it is going to help her with her weight, you should notice an improvement in a week or so. One thing I would be careful of until you know whether or not she is immuno-compromised, is raw. Most dogs thrive on it, but we have been told by both our regular and Holisitic vets that our boy cannot have raw. He doesn't have the immune system capacity to fight off the normal bacteria and parasites that are found in raw foods and it can be very dangerous. I hope the grains work for you!

LovNKyra
December 30th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Thank you, Rgeurts for the suggestions. pleasee let me know how it goes for you after a week or so.

MaxaLisa@ I Could only find SJW here. Can I try that by itself or does it need to be with the scullcups?

MaxaLisa
December 30th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Yes, you can use the SJW by itself. Either one can be used alone. My sense is that the scullcap will work more with the itchies, but that may not be the case. Starting one at a time isn't bad either, then you can see the direct effect.

I tried all the grains with the dogs here - mine never tolerated any of them, and were always quite lean because of the meat and veggie diet. Only recently my boy has weight on him though.

LovNKyra
December 30th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Yup, I figured I'd try this then if need be I can get the scullcap through ebay. I don't wanna jinx anything but she is very calm since giving her the pills. Almost the demeanor of a cat with the "I'm gonna lay down here, and I don't care if I'm in your way" mentality. Also I gave the pills in her food as she just would not take them any other way. They are the kind that you can pull apart, and are filled with a fine pepper colored power. It's been 7 hours since her last pill, and no issues at all.

MaxaLisa
December 31st, 2011, 02:06 AM
This is a link to the product info:

http://www.drugs.com/vet/dermoscent-essential-6-spot-on-can.html

You can also check Amazon.com. There are a few reviews there and you can order it for much cheaper than the vet. Once we try it, if it works, I will be ordering a few from Amazon :)

An interesting product! Do report back on it :)

MaxaLisa
December 31st, 2011, 02:08 AM
Yup, I figured I'd try this then if need be I can get the scullcap through ebay. I don't wanna jinx anything but she is very calm since giving her the pills. Almost the demeanor of a cat with the "I'm gonna lay down here, and I don't care if I'm in your way" mentality. Also I gave the pills in her food as she just would not take them any other way. They are the kind that you can pull apart, and are filled with a fine pepper colored power. It's been 7 hours since her last pill, and no issues at all.

:fingerscr

I get the scullcap through iherb.com or vitacost.com, but I don't know where you are, so ebay might work better for you.

I dip the pills in yogurt here, though not good if there is a sensitivity to dairy. Sounds like opening up the capsule worked.

Rgeurts
December 31st, 2011, 11:45 AM
I tried all the grains with the dogs here - mine never tolerated any of them, and were always quite lean because of the meat and veggie diet. Only recently my boy has weight on him though.

Nookie did GREAT on the rolled oats for about 3 months, and really, he may still do well. We were thinking the likely culprit was the oats, but one of our vets is thinking it is the beef. We did stop the oats more than 2 weeks ago (and he has dropped a little weight again), but the itchies haven't subsided, and in fact, have gotten worse. So maybe it is the beef :shrug:
I'm still going to try the millet and see if he can tolerate it, but I'll wait until a couple of weeks after the beef is removed to see if there's any difference.

An interesting product! Do report back on it :)

I'll definitely let you know how it does. Our western vet thinks very highly of this product and I have a lot of respect for her, so I trust her opinion and judgement. I have to wait until the holistic vet opens again next Tuesday just to make sure it's safe with the other meds he's on. It takes 3-4 weeks to have a noticeable difference. Here's hoping it helps him!! :pray: :fingerscr

MaxaLisa
January 16th, 2012, 06:27 PM
Any update?

LovNKyra
January 24th, 2012, 12:19 AM
Just switched kyra back to dog food today. She is just way too skinny. She's still the same scratching. The st johns wart didn't help either, and I just today started her on both st johns, and scullcap. I've exhausted every resource. I'm just gonna give up. :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

MaxaLisa
January 24th, 2012, 02:53 AM
My heart is breaking for you guys.

Did the vet ever do a skin scrape and find any yeast?

LovNKyra
January 24th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Not sure. If she did she neglected to tell me about it. I don't trust her anymore either, and at this point I'm the one feeding ideas to her. It seems she's only interested in my money, as once I told her I was going to try herbal stuff, and ivermectin she refused to help me with the dog.

LovNKyra
January 27th, 2012, 08:15 PM
Well after only 3 days on the dog food her scratching has increase dramatically. She's torn open her ears, neck, arm pits, and face. I think the best thing for her is to put her down. I'm so broken inside. I hate myself.

MaxaLisa
January 28th, 2012, 02:17 AM
I think we knew that kibble wouldn't work :(

There are two three other options, though one might have been tried, though both would require feeding the diet that she does better on. .

The first option is that this is partly a staph infection, and treat with cephalexin. Might be available over the counter as a fish antibiotic, would have to look.

The second is that this is autoimmune. In this case, the antibiotic doxycycline (available as Bird Biotic) and the supplement niacinamide (not niacin, must be niacinamide) combine to treat this, to some degree. It is used in autoimmune consditions such as pemphigus. I would combine with MSM.

The third, may be tried alone, or combined with one of those above, is the most toxic trial. If this is yeast (or if yeast is made worse when given an antibiotic), ketoconazole can help. The problem with this is that keto is more toxic to liver and kidneys, though my dog's blood values didn't have any problem on it. It can also suppress the adrenal glands. But if there is yeast...

Again, these all involve costs and may not work.

I just feel terrible that you are in this situation, I am so very sorry. ((Hugs))

LovNKyra
January 28th, 2012, 05:29 AM
I've decided to put her on Innova Red Meat Only Grain Free kibble combined with plain yogurt, some added apple cider vinegar, and daily spray downs of 50/50 apple cider vinegar with baking soda. This will atleast fatten her up, but hopefully stop the itchies. I've heard this is an excellent combo in eliminating yeast infection in the intestinal, and urinary track. Do you think so?

Marty11
January 28th, 2012, 10:11 PM
You could try "Atopica" or at the very last option "Vanectyl P" I would try drugs before putting the dog down. My Boston has done very well on Vanectyl P, she may live a few less years but she is happy.

MaxaLisa
January 29th, 2012, 12:49 AM
I've decided to put her on Innova Red Meat Only Grain Free kibble combined with plain yogurt, some added apple cider vinegar, and daily spray downs of 50/50 apple cider vinegar with baking soda. This will atleast fatten her up, but hopefully stop the itchies. I've heard this is an excellent combo in eliminating yeast infection in the intestinal, and urinary track. Do you think so?

Maybe....always hard to tell.

Also hard to tell what type of kibble might work, if any at all. So if things don't work, it's hard to tell why.

Vanectyl P can be tried, particularly if you are getting to the last resort. I would very much hesitate to use Atopica, and if you are watching expenses, it may be too expensive anyway, even in generic form. If MSM is tolerated, it may help too.

LovNKyra
February 29th, 2012, 04:03 PM
Just an update.

I've switched her to the all red meat grain free kibble, and if anything it's definately helped with her weight. I'm also bathing her every 2 days with a yeast shampoo, and will be giving her rub downs of a cream for the same yeast thing. She seems to love the baths which is very weird considering she hates baths. Haven't had any success yet although she's only been on the kibble for 3 weeks, and the baths for 1 week. Her hair does appear to be growing back, and her sores are all but a rash now. I'm thinking this may be a yeast infection as she sweats in all the noted areas, and smells very bad! Fingers crossed!!!

Marty11
March 1st, 2012, 09:04 AM
If she smells, she has a skin infection and needs antibiotics. Have you looked into seborhea? I did it all and then some and resulted in Vanectyl P. My Boston likes her baths cause she got a good rub down soothing her itchies....

MaxaLisa
March 1st, 2012, 06:34 PM
I am so glad that you found a dog food that is tolerated.

If it's yeast, often an anti-fungal is needed, and there might be a secondary bacterial infection. So tough going this alone. Is there anyway, even if you have to travel several hours for an initial visit, that you can find a derm in the area?

LovNKyra
March 3rd, 2012, 01:50 PM
I am so glad that you found a dog food that is tolerated.

If it's yeast, often an anti-fungal is needed, and there might be a secondary bacterial infection. So tough going this alone. Is there anyway, even if you have to travel several hours for an initial visit, that you can find a derm in the area?

Unfortunately no. I have 2 vets here with one not wanting to bother anymore with helping, and the other is a livestock vet who only treats farm animals such as horses, cows, and such.

I swear I try, and try, but it just feels like I'm fighting a losing battle. At the moment she seems to not be getting any worse, but nowhere near any better either. Now she has allot of flaking dandruf, and still continues to scratch, and chew. Should I increase the baths to every day? Is there an over the counter something I can get for yeast infections?

DarKevs
March 3rd, 2012, 03:09 PM
LovNKyra, first off, hugz to you and your girl, the photo of her broke my heart, seems a lot of Pitties have skin 'issues', i am so sorry your girl is plagued with them.

my girl had sensitivities to corn and wheat that caused her to get hotspots and itch like crazy, i put her on the same food my Dobes are on, Purina Pro Plan salmon and rice and she never had anymore issues, though if she gets too many dog treats with wheat in them she will srcatch a bit.

when your Vet saw her did he do any blood tests to check her liver, kidney, thyroid, hormone levels, etc. ?

as to any of the herbal nervines helping..........is she a 'nervous' girl, does she have any anxiety issues?

as to a change in diet helping......sometimes it can take 3 to 6 months before the symptoms improve and or diminish.

the flaking skin now may be due to her skin healing and sloughing off the old/sick tissue, this in itself may be making her itchy too.

i do not like bathing a dog unless it is absolutely needed, it tends to wash off any natural oils that help protect the skin..............but, if you do need to bath her, use as little 'soap' as possible, preferably a natural one like Dr. Bronners liquid castile soap.

Lavender essential oil is very soothing for skin that is red, it will cool the skin as well as discouraging mites. You could try a few drops in a couple of cups of warm water and apply to her skin to help relieve the pain and heat of her skin. It will not hurt her if she licks it off either. :)

Another thing......sulphur remedies were used for years to treat skin issues ......some drug stores carry flower of sulphur, here is some info. on it.............http://knol.google.com/k/valerie-luker/flowers-of-sulphur-sublime-sulphur/1wofq5cvpk6yl/1#

also............if you can find a supplement that has a lot of MSM (it is a form of dietary sulphur) in it, it will really help her a lot too. http://www.naturodoc.com/library/medsmats/msm/MSM_background.htm
http://www.ageless.co.za/herb-msm.htm
http://www.newdaynews.com/health/index.cgi/noframes/read/224
http://www.nutriteam.com/msm.htm

MaxaLisa
March 3rd, 2012, 03:57 PM
I swear I try, and try, but it just feels like I'm fighting a losing battle. At the moment she seems to not be getting any worse, but nowhere near any better either. Now she has allot of flaking dandruf, and still continues to scratch, and chew. Should I increase the baths to every day? Is there an over the counter something I can get for yeast infections?

I know that when vets are fighting a yeast infection, they do require special baths, rather frequently, but I don't know how often.

I know that Pau D'Arco gets at some yeast infections, but I don't know about this type. Oil of Oregano does too. I wonder about adding some coconut oil to the meals, since it is antibacterial and antifungal.

The following supplements come first to mind....

biotin for skin health
vitamin A, in the form of fish oil
vitamin E, mixed tocopherols, and.....

DarKeys mentioned hormonal issues, which made me think of melatonin. It is used in some special hormonal skin and fur issues that some dogs get called Alopecia X.

However, it can also increase IgA levels, and IgA is what is used to protect skin and mucous membranes. You might try adding 3 mg each night before bedtime (the natural time melatonin levels should rise). My boy was IgA deficient and I did this for him too. I think it helped. He was terminal, but we were able to keep him going for many many months.

I also think sulphur is good, either using a remedy, or even adding MSM.

LovNKyra
March 11th, 2012, 12:43 PM
OMG! I don't want to jinx anything so I'll say nothing more, and just leave you with these pics....:lovestruck:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2jg2ygy.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/3482clg.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/10ggt9d.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/3497xuu.jpg
...and yes that is a shock collar, but before anyone gets all crazy let me explain. I used it to try, and keep her from leaving the yard, but it only worked when it was on her. As soon as I removed it all that progress was out the window. I've checked it, and while it is not a big shock I did not like using the shock part so instead I used the vibrate option. However, I now use the collar to stop/distract her from chewing or scratching, and it works 99% of the time.

MaxaLisa
March 12th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Don't jinx it...we're with you!

:fingerscr

lUvMyLaB<3
March 20th, 2012, 02:53 PM
hi, i have just "returned from the dark abyss..." lol and read all of this thread.. I have a lab with severe allergies, to all what i really have no idea, she is now almost 11 years old, and has been a battle for a long time, when her allergies flare up she will always come down with a yeast infection, especially in here ears..

I was wondering seen as you have tried so many options with her diet if you have considered if her allergies is environmental? one of the things that cause a severe flare up in my lab is metal, metal clasp on collar, metal food dish. one walk with a collar with any metal on it and weeks of suffering follow! eating out of a metal dish causes her nose to turn pink and hair to fall out..

I am just wondering if this is an option to explore? anything in her environment both indoors and outdoors.

I have found my dog does best when i know what goes in her, wheat and soy are huge no no's! So i feed her raw meat from animals that i buy from friends and orijen dog food is ok.

Good luck, i have been there and i know exactly how you feel. At times i felt very cruel wakling a dog that had hair loss and sometimes weeping sores and the look we would get, but for years we struggled through it. She still will flare up at times, but is a happy comfortable dog and so I will continue to do everything I can for her.

Also i know they did a skin scraping but was any form of dermatitis considered? perhaps it is a skin issue that needs topical treatment? good luck from the bottom of my heart!

Myka
March 21st, 2012, 09:49 AM
Hi Kyra,

I have a Staffordshire Terrier (your dog's "cousin") with very similar sounding skin issues. I have tried a lot of things too, but not nearly as much as you have or for nearly as long. With my dog Roxy, I have found diluted Apple Cider Vinegar sprays twice a day really help with the rash. We originally treated Roxy for mange with shampoo, Revolution, and antibiotics last October even though we couldn't find any mites on scraping (didn't find anything unusual). This completely fixed the skin issues, but once off the antibiotics the rash came back. After that I suspected food allergies, so switched the foods around a few times. She seemed to have bad reactions to some foods (Orijen/Acana), and not so bad with other foods (Iams of all things). Fish is highly suspected as an allergy. I tried environmental changes like shampoos, laundry soap (tried plain washing soda among others), changed bedding materials...environmental things didn't seem to make a difference one way or the other.

I started spraying Roxy (2 months ago?) with the ACV solution twice a day and was able to eliminate the rash from Roxy's body, armpits, and belly. So, yeast infection? Bacterial infection? Allergies? Topical ACV can help with all of that so it doesn't help to identify the problem, but it does help with the symptoms! She just has redness between her toes now which I can keep under decent control with once daily spraying. For now, I'm feeding her Acana Wild Prairie grain-free food that she appears to be mildly allergic/sensitive to (possibly the fish content?). I have been wondering if Roxy's system would learn to tolerate the food as time goes on if I am able to control her reaction to just a mild reaction. Maybe wishful thinking. For now, I'm keeping her on it at least until I can flush her system of all the other things that have been bothering her. I'm considering other diet options now, trying to pick the next step.

Omega 3 is a natural anti-inflammatory and also significantly helps to increase immunity. The best way to supplement Omega 3 is wild fish/salmon oil of good quality. Find something that specifically requires refrigeration or is in capsules otherwise it is likely fairly rancid even before it is opened (gotta love the dog food market). I find human fish oils in capsules to be cost effective and high quality. Roxy seems to have issues with fish/salmon so I am unable to use these oils for her (although I haven't tried since I started the ACV, so I should try the fish oil again). Flax oil can also be used, but doesn't work as well for dogs. I started Roxy on Platinum Performance which is a broad-spectrum supplement providing high omega 3 (flax), protein, vitamins, and minerals. This product is well tolerated by Roxy and is quite reasonably priced. I noticed I had to cut down Roxy's food a bit when I started the PP, so I imagine that it would probably help with your dog's weight. There is only one Canadian distributor, Summit Performance Products. www.summitpp.ca

I had a dog in the past that couldn't maintain weight on a raw diet. I think it was the lack of carbohydrates to tell you the truth. A simple diet that is also cost effective and easy to make that you could try is 1/3 meat (cooked, raw, partially cooked doesn't matter), 1/3 frozen mixed veggies (beware of corn though...may or may not be tolerated), 1/3 brown rice. Add to that a well rounded supplement like Platinum Performance and you are golden. Mix it all up in a batch, put into serving-size portions in little freezer bags. Pull a baggie each day to thaw, add the Platinum Performance and voila. It is simple, easy, has limited ingredients, and is still nutritious.

I find keeping things simple helps big time! Not only does it help the pocket book, it helps with peace of mind, and it also helps to differentiate which foods/supplements/topical stuff are helping and which are not.

Here is Roxy's story if you care to read it all. :laughing: http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=78956

I hope this helps, and good luck!

lovepet
March 27th, 2012, 01:01 PM
hi LovNKyra
hows your baby now....?

I never faced such situation so can not recommend and suggest anything
but I will say and advise you to consult another vet, in fact 2-3 vet if you ae so insisted on using Ivermectin

because if your vet has stopped you using this, then he/she must have some reason and of course knows better than you... but still his words are not the last and that's why consult some other vet...

and at least make sue that there is no side effect of Ivermectin, before using it, because on wrong step can cause you feel sorry for life time

Best of Luck

LovNKyra
March 30th, 2012, 07:14 PM
It's been a beautiful week! :lovestruck::cloud9:

No more scratching, no more chewing, No more sores, no more redness, no more dirty ears. Just regular dog licking/scratching behavior, and a much much much more happier Kyra. I can now walk upstairs, fix myself a drink, pop a bag of popcorn, and walk back downstairs to a beautiful calm Kyra. I can now sleep a full night, and wake up to a regularly active healthy Kyra. I'm sooooo happy that I spend most of this new free time watching a rare regular Kyra being a regular dog. It seems so new that it makes me smile for hours. All this from a yeast infection? How could a vet miss this?

For anyone else suffering, this is what I've been doing...

2 tbsp of Apple Cider Vinegar on top of Orijen red meat only grain free kibble
Regular Yeast treatment topical cream for humans before bed each night.
Bathing once every 2 days with Sebazole shampoo (leave on for 5 to 10 minutes, and rinse thoroughly)
I did have to have a custom jumpsuit made for her to prevent scratching during the nights (1 baby one piece sleeper extended in the middle) and also had her wear a cone to keep her from chewing or licking. This was for about 2 weeks.

So far it's been 4 beautiful days for both of us! :cloud9:

http://i42.tinypic.com/wl29sj.jpg

MaxaLisa
March 30th, 2012, 08:21 PM
Absolutely amazing!

I have been holding my breath, waiting for an update, hoping that she was continuing to improve.

Kudos to the both of you, a tale and trials of love and perseverance. I cannot express how relieved I am for the both of you, I know how HUGE this is!

Continued good wishes that this is truly the begininning of the end, FOREVER!

Keep us posted - I love the improvement seen on the pics!

Myka
March 30th, 2012, 08:56 PM
I am so happy that you are finally getting some relief in your battle! Good job!

LovNKyra
May 5th, 2012, 06:03 PM
Had a tiny relapse. When I said to use just regular human yeast treatment cream I was wrong. After about a week it began to get crazy again. Switched back to Nizoral, everything is now back to normal, and even better now.

http://i48.tinypic.com/20p7wjl.jpg

MaxaLisa
May 5th, 2012, 07:11 PM
I'm so glad you figured out how to get her back on track. She is looking amazing! So very happy for you guys :highfive:

Kasianni
May 6th, 2012, 10:43 AM
Looks to me like it was mange. It takes 6-8 weeks to rid a dog of mange. My puppy had that just after getting over parvo virus. Benzoyl peroxide shampoo for dogs is a shampoo that has anti-bacterial, keratolytic, anti-pruritic, and de-greasing functions. It can be purchased over the counter or through your veterinarian. In addition to its bacteria-fighting and drying qualities, benzyl peroxide shampoo flushes hair follicles. This keeps the hair follicles from getting infected and worsening a skin infection. Follicular infections can cause additional skin irritation and worsen the dog's condition.
This type of shampoo is useful in treating skin conditions like mange, hot spots, and lesions. It works really well. You have to get the dog in the bath, wet her and they apply the shampoo and leave it on for 5-10 minutes, then rinse. Also, I know she is getting better, but Ivomec, is what I used to treat my dog with mange and it takes at least 6 weeks. Your vet is right, ALL dogs have mites on them but their immune systems keeps them in check, when a dogs immune system is compromised this is when the mites can get out of control. Glad to hear she is feeling better and everything is under control :)

MaxaLisa
May 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM
Actually, by reading the history and response, sounds all fungal and yeasty to me. If it were mange, she should have responded to the ivermectin. Also, the response to the different yeast treatment cremes is a pretty powerful clue.

I wonder, looking at the ingredients of the creme that didn't work and the one that did, if a person could figured out if this were a specific strain that is particularly stubborn. That seems to be the difference in the cremes, the different meds being able to get at the different types of fungus (fungii???).

LovNKyra
November 16th, 2012, 01:22 PM
Thought I should post in an update. Kyra is 99.9% cured. No more chewing, no more sores, no more hair loss, and nearly all the hair is now back. Two days ago I left her at home unsupervised for 2 hours for the first time. Came back to an excited yet unmarked, and non bloodied sweetie pie! So proud of her, and myself. Currently she has returned to regular doggie kibble as the expensive stuff was doing nothing to help with the problems, and was making her very fat. All she gets now is a bath with regular doggie shampoo every 2 days to get rid of the oily residue left over from the cream. That cream for anyone else who needs help is called Taro-Clobetasol, and is used for yeast infections in adults. Hope this helps somebody facing the same issues as I had.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2r6kxfl.jpg

hazelrunpack
November 16th, 2012, 02:57 PM
She's looking lovely! :lovestruck:

Dog Dancer
November 16th, 2012, 04:21 PM
Aww, she looks great, and so happy.

MaxaLisa
November 25th, 2012, 09:28 PM
Thought I should post in an update. Kyra is 99.9% cured. No more chewing, no more sores, no more hair loss, and nearly all the hair is now back. Two days ago I left her at home unsupervised for 2 hours for the first time. Came back to an excited yet unmarked, and non bloodied sweetie pie! So proud of her, and myself. Currently she has returned to regular doggie kibble as the expensive stuff was doing nothing to help with the problems, and was making her very fat. All she gets now is a bath with regular doggie shampoo every 2 days to get rid of the oily residue left over from the cream. That cream for anyone else who needs help is called Taro-Clobetasol, and is used for yeast infections in adults. Hope this helps somebody facing the same issues as I had.


This is HUGE. I am so very happy for the both of you - you've been to the depths of despair and back, what a journey, very great news!

LovNKyra
December 28th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Seasons Greetings from a healthy happy Kyra!!

http://i45.tinypic.com/2irlz6g.jpg

hazelrunpack
December 28th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Aw!! :lovestruck: Lookin' beautiful, Kyra!!

Dog Dancer
December 29th, 2012, 01:20 AM
So happy to see that Kyra continues to thrive thanks to your perseverence. Happy New Year.

MaxaLisa
December 29th, 2012, 12:44 PM
I love this, so glad to see her so well! Hears to continuing health in the new year!

LovNKyra
December 30th, 2012, 10:32 PM
Thanks guys! I really just want others to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and with perseverance you will make a difference in your pets lives! NEVER GIVE UP! Also, for anyone reading this who is suffering with what they think may be the same issues as mine, feel free to pm me with any questions you may have. I would love to help in anyway I can! Thanks guys, I couldn't have done it without the support of these forums. Happy Holidays!:goodvibes:

angeldogs
December 31st, 2012, 12:43 AM
Happy Holidays to you and your beautiful girl.I just read this whole thread. your a wonderful mom to your furbaby and not giving up.:thumbs up

pattymac
December 31st, 2012, 01:33 AM
I just read it too!! Wow what a battle you two had but I would say she is definately worth it! Have a great New Years!

LovNKyra
December 31st, 2012, 09:53 AM
Happy Holidays to you and your beautiful girl.I just read this whole thread. your a wonderful mom to your furbaby and not giving up.:thumbs up

Daddy actually. ;)

angeldogs
December 31st, 2012, 09:56 AM
Daddy actually. ;)

My bad..