September 13th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Well we were at the vet tonight. He thinks the pred has helped the left side of her body, but the right not so much. He prescribed 100 mg of Advil once a day, and also gave her some medicine to coat her stomach. He did not increase the prednisone. He said the shaking jaw is basically parkinsons disease. He said she will start to wander aimlessly and seem lost, which she actually does sometimes already. There are meds you can give them for it, but he just sorta looked at me and shook his head. We are in agreement that I don't want to put her on 50 different meds.
She also lost 2 pounds again in the past three weeks. Which really surprised me given that she's eating like a horse! Of course she's also pooping like one too - literally - anywhere the urge strikes...
So I guess at this point it's just up to us now when we feel she's had enough of it. It does not appear there is much more to do. I did promise my son that we would do our best to keep her around until he came home from his honeymoon on Sept. 23, so there's that.
Anyhow, all in all, not a great trip to the vet :(
September 13th, 2011, 09:17 PM
I'm so sorry to hear that you received bad news. I am sending all the good vibes I can to you and Shadow.
September 14th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Sending along some :goodvibes: :goodvibes: for Shadow & :grouphug: :grouphug: for you
September 14th, 2011, 01:41 AM
DD I have just read this thread and your other one about Shadow on prednisone. It is so hard when they reach this stage of life :(. Know that you are in my thoughts and I am sending lots of good vibes that Shadow will be able to say goodbye to your son when he returns.
September 14th, 2011, 01:58 AM
That's very sad news, DD. :( I hope she stays with you till your son gets back but I know you'll do what's best for her either way. Poor old darling.
September 14th, 2011, 07:22 AM
I am so sorry DD
You and Winston are going through hell right now. I have been down that road many times and it does not get any easier. My thoughts and prayers are with you both. Give Shadow:angel: a hug form me.
September 14th, 2011, 07:29 AM
awww dog dancer my friend *hugs* its so hard to know the right time...but you will, she will tell you, you'll see it in her eyes...which I tend to think she is trying to prepare you for....we're all behind you and beside you while you make this decision...hang tough love.
September 14th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Awww, DD, I'm so sorry. I was hoping the meds would help your beautiful Shadow. Just love her for the time you have. Hopefully she will make it until your son gets home so he can say his goodbye as well. :( :grouphug:
I'm really dreading the day we will have to let Thorin go. But hopefully the chemo has given us at least a few more good months.
September 14th, 2011, 09:32 AM
HUGE :grouphug:'s from me to you
and give Shadow a big but soft hug from me please :grouphug::lovestruck::cloud9:
September 14th, 2011, 09:34 AM
If good thoughts, prayers and :goodvibes: will help Shadow make it through to say goodbye to your son, then I'm sending as many as I can! :2huggers: Such a difficult time. Give Shadow a hug from me, k? And consider yourself hugged as well, DD :grouphug:
September 14th, 2011, 10:10 AM
Thank you all so much. I really do hope she makes it until Jeff gets home, which I think she will. Her face is a happy face, she didn't poop in the house yesterday or last night - well not since 5:30 am yesterday anyhow. Not sure how the Advil will help her as she just had her first pill this morning. But son is home in 10 days so I think she can do that. He does understand though that if she gets too bad we would not let her suffer. He doesn't want us to do that to her either. But she really doesn't seem to be suffering so much as her body is just giving up on her. She still pants alot, but the vet assures me that it's not uncommon with the prednisone. So I try to convince myself that she's not in pain. I guess in hind sight I could have put her down a few weeks back, but at least now we've tried the alternatives and it hasn't improved her quality of life significantly. Oh well, she's happy for now and snoozing under my desk. Thank you all for your support, I know you are here for us and appreciate it so much. It's so good knowing that you've all been there, and several of you are there with me at the same time with your own (Sylvie and Winston). My thoughts are with all of you as well, I'm as ready as we can be for this I guess, and am waiting for Shadow to tell me when it's time. :grouphug::grouphug: to you all.
September 14th, 2011, 10:18 AM
She still pants alot, but the vet assures me that it's not uncommon with the prednisone. So I try to convince myself that she's not in pain.
Nookie would constanly pant (very hard at times) and had a lot of open mouth breathing when he would sleep. His was due to the pred :)
It really makes them hot.
September 14th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Marty too pants very heavily on prednisone!
September 14th, 2011, 10:36 AM
Thanks for the reassurances you guys. I appreciate it more than you know. She pants so hard sometimes at night I can't sleep for hearing her.
Can't remember if I mentioned anywhere that she also seems to have lost most of her hearing. That seems to have come up quite quickly, and the vet said it's not uncommon to happen fast. She'll be walking away from me somewhere and when I call her to come back she just keeps on going. It's kinda scary because I don't want her wandingering off where she shouldn't be (like the road). She's always been so obedient, it was obvious to me that she wasn't hearing me. Sometimes it seems she does, but mostly not so much. No reaction when I call her name. That breaks my heart, she can't hear me telling her how much I love her, but I give her lots of cuddles and hugs so she still knows.
September 14th, 2011, 11:16 AM
she can't hear me telling her how much I love her,
Shadow might not be able to hear you but she does know that you do!!!
she can sense you loving her, and caring about her... she knows!!!!!!
September 14th, 2011, 11:33 AM
Dogs communicate by body language, DD. She can see how much you love her, even if she can't hear your voice. And you know that your touch telegraphs your love for her, as well. :2huggers:
September 14th, 2011, 11:59 AM
DD, my Shadow has been going deaf over the years. Now, when we want her attention we have to whistle, at least she can hear that.
They are so intune to everything around them that they can keep it hidden for a long time. Hubby used to say she had selective hearing. But now he knows she is almost completely deaf and he whistles for her attention also.
They are so amazing.
September 14th, 2011, 05:11 PM
DD I'm so sorry that Shadow is not doing well, my thoughts are with you and your family:grouphug: from Tucker and me
September 14th, 2011, 05:33 PM
AWWW....I am sorry Shadow isn't doing better... when they go deaf sometimes it seems like it comes and goes, worse at some times and better at others:shrug:Shadow can tell you love her by your gestures, even if she can't hear you at times :grouphug:
September 14th, 2011, 05:46 PM
My Annie is also following a similar journey. Her hearing loss is quite profound. When I cuddle her, I make sure she can feel my voice. This journey is a rough road for the ones that love their pets so much. Give Shadow and ear scritch for me.
September 14th, 2011, 06:21 PM
I know how hard this is on you and your family, DD lots of :grouphug: for you and Shadow. :cry:
September 14th, 2011, 06:49 PM
No words my friend. You know how I feel. :grouphug::grouphug::(
September 14th, 2011, 07:37 PM
Thank you all so much for your thoughts and support. It really is invaluable knowing how many of you are going through the same things. Hearing about the other pets and how they've dealt with these same issues gives me great comfort to know I'm not doing everything wrong. We are not alone. I know Shadow knows I love her. She is more cuddly these days too, like she's trying to squeeze it all in. Her shaking has gotten visibly worse in the last week, and it bothers me so much, but I'm quite certain it's not hurting her, so we're hanging tight for now. I know our time will not be long, but so long as she's comfortable we'll wait at least for my son to come home. I had to put our last dog to sleep while he was away on holidays and I don't think I'd have the heart to do that to him again unless I really had to!
September 14th, 2011, 08:10 PM
It's sooo hard reading these posts...having been through alot of the same and having 2 older kitties.
Oh they certainly know when you love them!! I wouldn't doubt that she's trying to get as much lovin' in as possible.
September 14th, 2011, 10:56 PM
You know, go figure these dogs huh! Tonight she pretty near dragged me around the block on our walk. She was downright perky! Well going out she was perky, on the way home she slowed down some, although we didn't go more than a couple blocks. But wow, she was going for it. I don't know if it's because of the advil, or just because the weather has cooled significantly, but what a difference tonight. It was such a treat, but probably just a bonus evening. When we got home she wanted to play with some of her toys in the living room, but all she could do was sit and play tug with us for a couple minutes. It lost it's appeal pretty quickly for her, but it was great to see. :cloud9:
September 15th, 2011, 02:06 AM
Cherish those happy moments together :grouphug:. I remember with Lucy that she had a few times when we thought things were close but then she rebounded. I think that they just like to keep us working extra hard to cater to their every wish :D.
Of course, we would do that forever for just a bit more time with them :angel2:.
September 15th, 2011, 12:51 PM
It's such a crazy roller coaster ride of emotions isn't it? That's okay, I do cherish the sweet times like last night. After all her energy and playing she got hungry and there was no stopping her until I gave her a second dinner at 8:45 last night. I didn't want to because I was afraid it would make her poop in the middle of the night, but it didn't thankfully.
September 15th, 2011, 01:26 PM
DD have been following your story and wish I could help but I can't. I have no words. Just follow your heart and your head and listen to Shadow...they really do let you know when it is time.:pawprint:
Also, even when it is the right decision does not mean it is easy...I wish you strength and comfort in the time ahead :grouphug:
September 15th, 2011, 02:33 PM
AWWWW> sounds like shadow has a lot of love and life to give , just her darn doggie body is crapping out on her. I HATE THAT! Wish there was some way we could do a spirit transplant of our doggies into a NEW doggie body, and have them forever.
Dont second guess yourself. you'll know when its time. If you hadnt tried the new meds and put her down weeks ago, you'd have been driving yourself mad , that you hadnt tried everything. Now you have tried everything, and you can sleep easy, knowing you did your VERY BEST for your very best four legged friend.
She KNOWS she's loved, and she KNOWS she'll be taken care of.
Thats the BEST anyone can do for thier fur critters.
She'll tell you when she's had enough.
I wish I could heal the hurt...for both you and your loved ones. Its hard to say goodbye, one day at a time. Never knowing how long we will have them is one of lifes greatest joys and sorrows at the same time.
September 15th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Thank you. I trust she will tell me, and I'm thankful that I tried the prednisone. It was such a dramatic improvement right off the bat, but unfortunately it was not long lived. But yes, I will not have to second guess myself now. It was definitely the thing to do. Thank you again for your words. They do help. Shadow just had an order of chicken strips from the Safeway deli for lunch. She's a happy girl and should sleep well now for the afternoon at work!
September 15th, 2011, 03:55 PM
YUMMY, does shadow want to share with me? ;)
September 15th, 2011, 04:16 PM
I doubt it Renegaderuby, she didn't want to share with me either! :laughing: In fact, we both had some and she ate all of hers, and half of mine are in the fridge for her to have tomorrow. She's such a piggy since being on the pred!
September 15th, 2011, 05:16 PM
DD, you will have to make sure she doesn't get fat :laughing::laughing:
Don't you just love them.
September 15th, 2011, 07:28 PM
well, I'd say she has trained you rather well. good girl shadow. make mommy fork over the treats. :)
Ruby has me pretty trained too...she's "sweet talked" another two treats outta me today because her vet visit is tommorow and she'll get two owies. (bloodwork, and rabies shot).
September 16th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Sylvie, surprisingly despite eating like a pig she is losing weight quite fast. She lost two pounds since we put her on the prednisone just two and a half weeks ago.:eek: So now she can eat all she wants.
Renegaderuby, I hope Ruby's trip goes well and her owies are just little ones.:grouphug:
September 16th, 2011, 11:01 AM
DD just a thought, but maybe it's not weight that shadow is loosing but more mussel mass being on the pred??
September 16th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Breeze, you could be right about that too! Hadn't really thought about that. It is part of why I try to keep making her go for short walks. Last night I woke up at 3:00 and tried to get her up to go out and pee, but nope, she wasn't having any of it. If I wanted her outside I was going to have to carry her. I finally decided just to let her go back to sleep. Figured I would clean pee in the morning if I had to, but all was good. Boy is she stubborn!
September 16th, 2011, 12:31 PM
Stubborn...HA , I know that word too. Ruby's first name is renegade for that reason alone!
Thanks for the well wishes on the vet visit. We had good results on liver enzimes (they check cause of the rymadyl), and our rabies shot. They had to poke her three times instead of just two, because I forgot that when they draw blood from the neck, if ruby can see me she will jump around like an idiot. So..she went to jumping around, and I had to leave out of the room, so she'd behave. (brat).
So...she got poked and extra time because they had to pull out the needle thanks to her jumping...and then restick her when I left the room. She does fine on the leg draw ...but the neck one is more 'tramatic" in her head. NOT because it actually bothers her having the needle. Its having her face held rather tightly by thier over exherbant dog holder . He is really nice, but I want to say..she's not a demon dog, you dont have to clamp her mouth and head so tight. But...its just quicker and less drama , when I step out of the room and let them do it whatever way they do it...then complain, explain, ect.
She then proceeded to burp in the holders face as I was coming back in. serves him right. LOL.
September 16th, 2011, 12:57 PM
Renegaderuby, your handler got off easy with a burp! They had such a hard time drawing Shadow's blood last time she ended up pooping on the handler :eek:. They haven't bothered with blood work the last couple times just because it really upsets her now and well, really what's the point.
September 16th, 2011, 01:34 PM
GOOD GIRL SHADOW, serves em right for sticking ya huh!
Hmmm...hope that dosent give ruby any ideas! Think the rabies shot made her sore...she's was kinda wimpering a bit (not her norm). Put a bag of frozen peas (and held her down so she'd tollerate the peas)...and now she's settled. I also gave her her pain pill , as she's had a few bad days with the back lately. She has one calcified disk, and one calcified and slightly bulging disk. I felt like a heel , I let her go "down" the front steps (she RUNS down them at a speed that I've never understood)...to go potty. I usually pick her up, and I was distracted by the fifeteen or more humming birds buzzing around...and she got down em. Last two days she's been sore.
Got an "ok" to give her an extra rymadyl today. She's better. But kinda like shadow...some days are really "good" and some days are a bit more problematic for her.
I really think about how shadows doing..and although we are not there yet (and hopefully not anywhere near it in the future)..I do think about how one day we'll be where you are. Trying to "decide" when its time to end her "pain".
I get totally blubberish just thinking about it...so I can only "imagine" what your feeling right now.
Ps: sorry. I totally turned the subject into ruby...and this is NOT about ruby. This thread is about shadow. My apologies.
Pet your sweet ole gal for me..and if I was able to ..I'd send her a truck load of chicken. :)
September 16th, 2011, 02:19 PM
Don't apologize, I don't mind the slight change of course, in fact sometimes I can use it. They both don't do well with the shots, so there you go, on track. Hope her back is better soon. Shadow sometimes flies down the back stairs at our house, and there's about 15. On a good day she makes it fine, on a bad day she trips and falls down several. I'm always terrified she'll fall and break a leg and then it's truly game over. I try not to let her use the back stairs anymore at all, the front door only has 5 much more manageable stairs (solid unlike the rear ones that are open at the back). She doesn't like going up the back stairs at all, if her foot slips it will go out the back of the stair and then she can't get it back. Doxie's worry me with all their back issues to be honest. Well Shadow just had her lunch and has settled in for another nap. Yay.
September 16th, 2011, 02:36 PM
awww...stairs. I wish we could "afford" doggie elevators. Least ruby and her ten pound self I can "pick" up. But shadow isnt a "lap" dog...(SHHHHH dont tell her I said that), so I can understand the "stair" delima.
As to rubys back. Well ...the vet says it is hereditary disk probs. (maybe..but I think her geting hit by a car, and having her pelvic bone broke in three places has a lot to do with it too).
I hope it gets better too..but doc says likely not. Can say the rymadly has been her blessing, and is thus far working.
September 16th, 2011, 06:43 PM
Mom many many :grouphug: to you. i know how hard this is. if you want to talk i'm here! well phone call wise. haven't had much time on the computer. Sending many :goodvibes: that shadow keeps going for now and gives you the time you and your son need. lots of love from me to both of you. you are always in my heart and thoughts.
September 19th, 2011, 02:29 AM
DD...I'm so sorry to hear about Shadown. :grouphug: Know I'm thinking of u both.
September 19th, 2011, 03:14 PM
Thank you guys for your messages. Shadow is doing not too bad these last couple days. Her legs were rather weak today, and she didn't make it outside for her poop at work today. :o Fortunately they're solid! I never really know if she's doing good or not. I honestly don't think she's ready to go yet. Hubby says "she's perfect!" but I know better than that. He just doesn't want to accept the reality of her situation. Anyhow, it seems she's definitely going to make it until my son gets home, so that's a good thing. I'm hoping for another month, but I really think winter will be hard on her if she's still here and not sure that would be fair. Time alone will tell. Thanks again, your msgs mean the world to us.
September 19th, 2011, 06:08 PM
My husband has always been like that with the dogs too, DD. Although it's great that they are kind, caring people, (real keepers) it does make it that tiny bit harder when that hard decision has to be made. Funny that you are worried about Shadow with Winter coming, while I have to wonder whether Perkins will survive our Summer heat.
September 19th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Yes it is odd that isn't it GF. You have extreme summer heat and we have the extreme winter cold. I remember from like a hundred years ago when I was a teenager and we went to Australia (Sydney only due to an airline strike) and it was our spring and your fall and we thought your weather was lovely and people there were wearing fur coats! It was so obvious who the tourists were and who the locals were. You know I'm thinking of Perkins. He's such a beauty. Is he still in love with Zara?
September 20th, 2011, 12:56 AM
He thinks she is wonderful, DD, but I suppose he wishes he had the strength to keep up with her. For such a big, and sometimes clumsy girl, Zara is actually trying hard to be careful and avoid bumping into him. She seems to like him as much as he does her.:lovestruck: Now I'm thinking that I might still have to get another ACD, as company for her after that dreadful day we have to say goodbye to him. She likes the shelties but could hurt them because of her size.
I can believe that our Autumn weather here would seem nice to tourists, they'd get a heck of a shock though if they arrived during a heatwave. :laughing: I love all our seasons bar Summer, BUT in the paper today it says that the La Ninya weather pattern is still with us, which means a dry Spring(bad for farmers, and for grass for my sheep) and a wet Summer, which hopefully will mean no bushfires. Hope it's not that wet that we get a repeat of the floods though.
September 20th, 2011, 10:14 AM
They're so sweet! Halo is forever slamming into Shadow and I'm always giving her heck. I'm afraid she's going to knock her down the back stairs one day - fortunately we don't really use those now.
I upped Shadow's Advil dosage yesterday, last night specifically. The vet said to give her one in the morning, and I could give her a half at night if she seemed bad. She is very restless at night and had a hard time with one leg yesterday, so last night I gave her a full Advil with dinner and she had a good night. I'm sold.
September 20th, 2011, 10:27 AM
DD I am so glad to hear that Shadow is doing reasonably well! Yay for pain meds! :thumbs up
September 20th, 2011, 10:31 AM
Hi Winston, still thinking of you. :grouphug: Shadow does seem to be holding her own, but as I said above, she seems to be doing better with the extra meds. I'll give the vet a call in a couple days. I don't know why he doesn't want to up the Prednisone though. 5 mg twice a day is fairly low, and I know right now while she's doing "okay" I think she could be doing better. Yesterday she was walking around with one hind paw folded upside down, then was very restless, so that's why I decided to give her another pill. I feel it helped.
September 20th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Sending good vibes to you and shadow DD :goodvibes: :goodvibes:
September 20th, 2011, 11:31 AM
Poor old Perkins isn't so good now either, DD, pretty bad diarrhoea. I stopped the Metacam tonight just in case that caused it.
September 20th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Checking in and sending Hugs, pets and prayers!
September 20th, 2011, 04:00 PM
Goldfields and DD sending good vibes your way! :grouphug::grouphug:
DD Winston did that a few times at the end with the paw and it looked so uncomfortable but it didnt even faze him??
September 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Goldfields, odd that Perkins has the runs, could it be the heat? Shadow didn't get the runs from the Metacam at all. Other way I would say. Pull out the pumpkin my friend!
Thanks all for the support. Winston, I agree that having the foot backwards/upside down doesn't seem to bother her, but it gives me the worst feeling in my gut. I guess because I know it's a very bad sign.
That is one thing the vet checks every time we go in. Last time she didn't let him flip her left foot at all and that made him happy, but the right one he just turned upside down and she just stood there and left it. Never even tried to fix it. :(
September 20th, 2011, 04:26 PM
DD,I had no idea Shadow was this bad,it seems though,she still has many good moments.
You always show so much compassion for others and I am really sorry you and Shadow are going through this difficult time. :grouphug::grouphug:
September 20th, 2011, 04:34 PM
You know Chico that's the hard part. She has such a hard time sometimes, and then she has these bright shining moments. DH keeps telling me "she's perfect" but I know he just doesn't want to let her go. He doesn't spend 24 hours a day with her like I do. He doesn't notice that she's up and down from her bed to the floor every 10 minutes all night because she can't get comfortable. He will need to see some obvious signs before he agree's to let her go. Ultimately I know he'll let me decide, but I really need him to understand and be on board. That said, I don't think she's quite ready yet. I really did hope that the Prednisone would give us several more months, but I don't get that feeling anymore. I won't let her suffer, but it does appear she'll at least get a bit more time. Thanks for popping in to check on her.
September 21st, 2011, 12:35 AM
:goodvibes: & :fingerscr the increase in pain meds gives Shadow some relief from her night restlessness :grouphug:
September 21st, 2011, 04:59 AM
:grouphug: to you and Shadow.
Even though, I am not on the computer much, I think of you and Shadow every day.
Glad to hear that your son will see her soon.
September 21st, 2011, 10:14 AM
Sylvie, I hope your Shadow is doing okay as well. I think of you too. Growler, thanks, I think the extra Advil helps her at night so I'm going to keep it up for now. Other than that she is doing pretty much the same.
September 21st, 2011, 10:30 AM
I need to ask :o
I thought we were only allowed to give aspirin?? Advil is ibuprofen, and I thought it was not good for dogs, am I wrong?? :o
September 21st, 2011, 10:59 AM
Hi Breeze, it was the vet who prescribed 100mg of Advil for Shadow (that comes in a childrens chewable). He said once a day, but I asked if I could give her more if she was bad in the evening and he said yes. BUT - he also put her on something to coat her stomach. She has to take this stuff (I have no idea what it is, it's white and creamy like a malox kinda thing) half an hour before she eats and gets meds. So I guess it's the stuff for her tummy that makes it okay to give her the Advil. Also, as we all know, Shadow doesn't really have a "long term" status right now to worry about what type of damage the drugs may do to her. So, for anybody who may just be reading through, I'd definitely be cautious and not just give your pet Advil without advice from your vet. I know none of the regulars here would, but you never know. Good question Breeze!:thumbs up
September 21st, 2011, 11:43 AM
:thumbs up:thumbs up:thumbs up