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Bladder stones

Goldfields
August 11th, 2011, 11:34 AM
I guess I did the right thing agreeing to an x ray today seeing the antibiotics were doing nothing for Silk's 'cystitis'. Even though I suspected stones(or a tumour) it is a little bit of a shock when you see the size of some stones poor dogs have. She has two decent sized stones so is booked in for an operation on Tuesday. In the photo her hind legs are to the right . I think she needs some prayers, she's an old girl now. Of course there goes the money I planned to spend on my next ACD pup :cry: but my oldies always have to come first. We adore Silk, always have, always will.

Golden Girls
August 11th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Sending prayers your way GF :pray:

Goldfields
August 11th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Thanks GG. Wish I could turn the clock forward 3 weeks.

Rgeurts
August 11th, 2011, 01:25 PM
GF, you and your girl have my thoughts and prayers :pray: :grouphug: :grouphug:
I was a neurotic mess last year when Thorin had stones removed, so I understand how you're feeling . His were huge as well, and very jagged :(

hazelrunpack
August 11th, 2011, 02:12 PM
Oh, ouch! Sending :goodvibes: for a successful surgery, a quick recovery and no recurrence!!

chico2
August 11th, 2011, 04:24 PM
best of luck for beautiful Silk:pray:

Goldfields
August 11th, 2011, 08:17 PM
Robyn, I'd be a tiny , tiny bit (only) less concerned if Silk was Thorin's size but she's my smallest finest sheltie. Still, what can you do? You must operate. Toby's stones were jagged too, but not big. I'm hoping that Silk's are the same type as his so they can share the same UD diet , I know she'll love his diet, every dog on the place wants to steal it from Toby. LOL. Thanks for the kind thoughts everyone.

lindapalm
August 11th, 2011, 11:25 PM
Good luck with the surgery, and don't forget, shelties are tough, even the small ones!

Goldfields
August 12th, 2011, 04:15 AM
I guess she's tough in that she hasn't let on how lousy she must feel. I am more concerned that we'll have a blockage and inability to urinate before she can get onto the table. More so of a worry with the weekend coming up. I'm welcoming the sight of every single puddle she does. The weird thing is that those stones are shedding next to no crystals.

growler~GateKeeper
August 13th, 2011, 12:01 AM
:goodvibes: for an uncomplicated surgery & speedy healing

Goldfields
August 13th, 2011, 04:35 AM
Thanks, Tuesday can't come quick enough, growler.

Goldfields
August 15th, 2011, 11:55 PM
An update on Silk. They found three, not two, big stones and a number of small ones but the good news is that when I rang earlier she was already sitting up and there is a possibility she may be able to come home this afternoon. :thumbs up What a relief to have it over.

hazelrunpack
August 16th, 2011, 12:38 AM
That's great, GF!! :grouphug: Sending more :goodvibes: for a speedy recovery!

growler~GateKeeper
August 16th, 2011, 01:31 AM
Great news Goldfields :thumbs up Speedy healing Silk :goodvibes:

MaxaLisa
August 16th, 2011, 01:47 AM
An update on Silk. They found three, not two, big stones and a number of small ones but the good news is that when I rang earlier she was already sitting up and there is a possibility she may be able to come home this afternoon. :thumbs up What a relief to have it over.

So glad that it went well, I hope that she heals quickly :goodvibes:

Goldfields
August 16th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Silk isn't coming home today after all, that was just the vet nurse's idea, not the Vet's. :) She will keep an eye on her tonight but I'll ring back just before they are due to close to see how she's going. In the meantime I'm catching up on the washing of all the dry beds and mats that Silk leaked on. While she's recuperating she can have the good, as in rarely used, dry bed that I used for newborn pups. I won't be totally happy until she's completely over this. it's been hard on this old girl.

hazelrunpack
August 16th, 2011, 01:05 PM
That's pretty major surgery for her to be coming home the same day so it's a good thing they kept her. Hope she had a comfortable night and can come home today!

Ever notice how the dogs just seem to handle it all with aplomb, while we're stressin' out about the surgery and the recovery? :o :grouphug:

:goodvibes: for Silk!

cpietra16
August 16th, 2011, 01:21 PM
I`m glad she came thru the surgery ok...wishing her a speedy recovery...:goodvibes::grouphug:

Rgeurts
August 16th, 2011, 01:26 PM
I'm so glad she made it through everything with no issues!! Please give her hugs from me, and hugs to you as well :grouphug: :grouphug:

chico2
August 16th, 2011, 05:36 PM
GF,I am sooo glad Silk came through the surgery with no problems,little Shelties are such gentle,beautiful dogs.
Hope she recovers quickly and with no complications:pray::pray:

lindapalm
August 17th, 2011, 12:26 AM
Glad to see shes doing good, hope her recovery will be speedy. Shelties are such tough little dogs, she'll be running around before you know it.

Goldfields
August 17th, 2011, 02:18 AM
Had the pen spotless for her, didn't I? Clean dry bed, clean paper on floor, flannalette sheeting over the dry bed - thank heaven I did that - so she had a small meal, then promptly had diarrhoea all over everything.:yuck: :rolleyes: :D :D She is :evil: :laughing: I'll put some Protexin in her next little meal. Rather than try to wash her petticoats, I just cut a poop track instead.

Anyway, here are the stones and it's the little sharp ones she passed that caused her all the grief, not the big ones. Penny tidied up her spay suture line and repaired a small hernia while she was doing that, so Silk hopefully will be as good as new.

While coming home I passed a paddock where two Kelpies were happily mauling a newborn lamb, so my first job when I got home(having failed to find anyone home on the farm, or see where these dogs were usually confined) was to ring a few of the neighbors till I could get one prepared to go and catch the dogs. I couldn't leave Silk unattended, not knowing whether she'd pull out stitches or not. An eventful day so far. Incidentally the lamb was on its feet so :fingerscr that those dogs were just playing and have a soft mouth.

mikischo
August 17th, 2011, 07:40 AM
Glad you got your girl back home and she is doing good except for the diarrhea. Hopefully that will resolve soon. Those are quite some stones.:eek: I'm sure it's a relief for her to be free of them.

Hope that little lamb is okay.:fingerscr

hazelrunpack
August 17th, 2011, 10:11 AM
omd, those stones are huge! Silk's already got to be feeling better just getting those monsters out!

Hope her tummy straightens out quickly now and the rest of her recovery goes smoothly :goodvibes:

:fingerscr the neighbors managed to catch the kelpies before the lamb was hurt.

Goldfields
August 17th, 2011, 11:59 AM
The stones are quite heavy too Hazel. Incredibly, Penny has just removed a stone twice as big as the larger one Silk had, from a CHIHUAHUA!! It's a wonder it could stand up. Silk was given some Scourban tonight and that will settle her tummy for sure. Chances are it may have been the Metacam causing the upset, so she's off that now. Her appetite is back, yay! I don't want to put an Elizabethan collar on her but am not sure she can be trusted to leave her sutures alone. Fingers crossed that when the light goes out she'll just sleep.
Re the Kelpies.... seems they may belong to the guy who works for the farmer. My friend up there had to tell him she didn't want them wandering on her farm after they jumped off his ute while he was working in a paddock opposite her place. Very careless and just the sort of behaviour that one day might get his dogs shot. I hate irresponsible dog owners!

MaxaLisa
August 17th, 2011, 04:37 PM
Wow, those stones are, uh, impressive? I'm not sure what the right word is!!

I was able to use one of those inflatable collars on my girl when she had her shoulder surgery, it was more comfortable for her. But I think she could have reached her abdominal area with it on, so that might not be an option.

I hope that the recovery goes quickly :)

Goldfields
August 17th, 2011, 08:49 PM
One of the vet nurses said, prior to me seeing the stones, MaxaLisa. that they were just like stones you'd see on the beach. LOL. I finally trusted Silk to behave herself without a collar last night and she was good, and the great news is not a single solitary puddle in the pen overnight, instead a nice big puddle when I let her outside this morning. She is bright and happy, wanting to play with Gemma, though I am not allowing that yet, and while she is being a bit finicky(aka spoilt, she wants chicken, not diet food) , her appetite is okay. Money well spent, lovely to know she's comfortable now. :)

Goldfields
August 25th, 2011, 01:51 AM
A final comment from Silk ..... Get me out of this thing! :D Or is it more likely "If I sit like this, maybe she'll feel sorry for me and ... get me out of this thing!" :laughing: Poor girl, she wanted to help me get rid of the stitches but has to wait a day or two.

hazelrunpack
August 25th, 2011, 09:24 AM
Aw, poor girl! Bet she's getting great television reception, though!! :p

Patience, patience, Silk! A few more days and you'll be free! Free! :dog:

How is she feeling, GF?

Rgeurts
August 25th, 2011, 10:20 AM
I'm so glad to see she is doing well GF!! :lovestruck::cloud9:
But wow... those are some HUGE stones :eek: :eek:
Poor girl, I bet she is feeling great after being relieved of that heavy burden! Big hugs to you both :grouphug:

Goldfields
August 25th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Good TV reception ... I love that. ROFL. Maybe if I sat her on my roof I might get satellite reception for my computer?
Silk is going well, apart from wanting to lick the suture line and get it inflamed. If I remove them on the weekend I think she will be a completely happy dog again.

I was surprised by the size of the stones, Robyn, and now I wonder how big are the stones that people get?

Rgeurts
August 25th, 2011, 12:35 PM
I was surprised by the size of the stones, Robyn, and now I wonder how big are the stones that people get?

I don't think I've ever seen any that size GF!!! I thoughts Thorins was huge, but it was maybe a quarter size of the large stone there. Though his was very jagged... it almost looked like a stalagmite, except round'ish :eek:


I wonder about the stones people get as well, GF. I know Kidney stones aren't near that big, but I don't think I've ever known anyone who was prone to Bladder stones :shrug:

Goldfields
August 25th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Maybe Thorin's stones were the same type as Toby's, his were very jagged too. Do you notice a big difference in Thorin since they were removed? Toby was great after his op..

Dog Dancer
August 25th, 2011, 09:22 PM
GF, so glad to hear that Silk is feeling well. I was also shocked at the size of those stones. That had to be uncomfortable!

Rgeurts
August 25th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Maybe Thorin's stones were the same type as Toby's, his were very jagged too. Do you notice a big difference in Thorin since they were removed? Toby was great after his op..


We're wondering if the surgery didn't spark his immune reaction and cause the tumor. We know his food was partially to blame, but Dr. Marsden said his type of cancer is brought on by an "immune system event". So could have been the stress of the surgery, or the really bad bout of colitis that threw him into the early stages of pancreatitis. Both were within a couple of months of each other. Who knows :shrug:
After the surgery he was able to pee a full stream again with no blood, but other than that he hasn't done so well. He lost a TON of weight. He has since gained it back, though (after starting the chemo. He's almost a little chunky now lol).

Goldfields
August 25th, 2011, 09:56 PM
You really don't appreciate watching a dog pee well until you've had one with stones, LOL . Toby didn't have noticeable blood in his urine but was in diabolical trouble, only able to drip it past the blockage. Thorin is just so lucky he has an angel for his mother, there are just so many people that wouldn't have cared for Nookie and Thorin the way you have, indeed our vet tech. here said many do nothing until it is too late to save their dogs.
You'll never know what triggered that immune system event, same as Matt when his sheltie got Evans syndrome.It isn't important though, all you can do is work on helping/healing them.