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Hills Science Plan

CandyKane
September 29th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Hey,
At Tally's last puppy party we were given free samples of Hills Science Pet Food (or something like that) and we decided to try her on that as she was getting a bit chubby. She wolfed the food down and we're thinking of switching her to that. The only problem is that it seems to have given her wind - is this food good? Will the wind stop?
Sarah XxX

lilith_rizel
September 29th, 2004, 01:34 PM
I would suggest you ask your vet about the dog food. They would know the best. I have never heard of it. Also do a search on the internet.

LavenderRott
September 29th, 2004, 01:51 PM
Since your vet sells Science Diet in his office and makes money on the sales, I am willing to bet that he will give this food rave reviews.

Here is the list of ingredients from the large breed light food:

Corn meal, soybean mill run 16% (a source of fiber), chicken by-product meal (a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine), peanut hulls, corn gluten meal, soybean meal, chicken liver flavor, vegetable oil, dried egg product, dried chicken cartilage (a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine), flaxseed, L-lysine, taurine, L-tryptophan, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (dicalcium phosphate, salt, potassium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).






It gave your dog gas because your dog can not properly digest corn and soy. No dog can and yet they are the first two ingredients in the food. Chicken by products are the parts of chickens that they can't sell to anyone else.

Most vets have about a semester of dog nutrition classes. Your vet gets a big presentation from the pet food companies about how great their food is and then they sell it for a profit. In my opinion, not the best way to find out about how good a food really is.

My girls eat either a raw diet or Canidae. No soy, no corn. No gas.

sammiec
September 29th, 2004, 01:57 PM
*giggle @ LavR*

I have switched my girl to Wellness, Lamb and Rice. She loves it but farts upa storm!!! Is there really a way to get away from the gas?!?! Except for those diapers that I saw on here a long time ago, the ones with the filter LOL! That's funny!

LavenderRott
September 29th, 2004, 02:00 PM
Try adding a little bit of plain yogurt to her food. Should help with the gas but may take a couple of days.

mastifflover
September 29th, 2004, 02:36 PM
Like LR said forget about that food too expensive for a bag of filler. I will let you in on a food that I have recently switched Buddy to. I was feeding him Diamond Large Breed it is only one of 2 Diamond foods (the natural one is also good) that I would use the others are not as good quality they have corn in them. The food is approx. $60-65 for a 50 pound bag. But I belong to a group of Mastiff owners and a lot of them are in the U.S. and food is substantially less expensive there, literally half the price on high quality stuff. Somebody had reccommended Kirkland Series from Costco very good food made by guess who Diamond almost exactly the same as the large breed and a 40 pound bag is 22.00. I saved enough money on 2 bags to pay for the membership and a cab home. Buddy is doing great on it and it comes in chicken and rice and lamb and rice the Lamb formula is a $1.00 or 2 more but still a great deal. I wa feeding Buddy prior to Diamond, Solid Gold at 55 for a 30 pound bag I would have to buy almost 3 a month. So now we spend more on toys and treats

CandyKane
September 29th, 2004, 02:36 PM
Yes, our vets do sell this food and they say it's the best thing. I alreday did a search and it looks good.
Has anybody else fed their dog this?
We really want to keep Tally on a brand of food, not a raw diet/etc as this will be too inconveniant for our lifestyle.
Does this brand sound really bad then? We don't want to try lots of different foods because it will upset her tummy.

lilith_rizel
September 29th, 2004, 02:47 PM
If your vet carries it and they say it is healthy, then I would trust them. I think that my aunt may have used it for her yorkie. The one brand of dog food you should NEVER get is Ol' Roy. My vet back in my home town said that it contains the same ingrediant they use to put animals to sleep!!!!
So inform EVERYONE you know about this.

mastifflover
September 29th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Science diet and Iams are not good quality foods they are basically filler. Of course your vet recommends it he sells it and gets a commission for selling it. The second or third ingredient is corn and a lot of dogs have an allergy to corn or develop one. Good foods are Wellness, Natural Balance, Canidae, Fromm, Wysong but fromm and wysong are a little harder to get and you always need to check expiry dates on the food you are buying.

Lucky Rescue
September 29th, 2004, 03:46 PM
If your vet carries it and they say it is healthy, then I would trust them.

This is not true. Most vets are not well versed on the nutritional values of various dog foods, and recommend whatever they have on their shelves, which around here is Eukanuba and Science Diet - neither of which I would feed my animals.

LavenderRott
September 29th, 2004, 03:55 PM
Before you buy a bag of expensive dog food from your vet, please ask him/her how many hours of canine nutritional training he/she had before graduating.

Ultimately, whatever you feed your dog is up to you. I have heard of many dogs that have done fine on Ole' Roy. But I sure wouldn't feed it to mine. If you want to listen to your vet, have at it. My vet doesn't necessarily agree with my dogs eating raw, but now that he has looked into it a bit more, he is much happier about it.

Ole' Roy, if I am not mistaken, contains meat by products. This can include the meat from animals that have been euthanized at shelters although that is less common now days.

chico2
September 29th, 2004, 05:26 PM
I feed my cats nothing with corn or corn-meal in it,I think in the long run,paying a bit more for a good brand will benefit both you and your animal.

CandyKane
September 30th, 2004, 10:37 AM
I just checked the pack of Hill's Science and this is what it said:

INGREDIENTS: cereals, meat and animal derivatives, oils and fats, deviratives of vegetable origin, vegetable protein extracts, minerals, eggs and egg derivatives, seeds, L-tryptophan, L-lysine hydrochloride.

AVERAGE ANALYSIS: Protein 27.8%, fat 18.5%, fibre 2.5%, ash 6.9%, calcium 1.29%

PER KG: Vitamin A 9, 100 IU, Vitamin D3 530 IU, Vitamin E 600 mg. Copper (copper sulphate) 12.3 mg. With natural preservatives (citric acid) and natural antioxidants (mixed tocopherols.)

This is all the nutritional information on here. Can anybody point out the good and bad things that are in here? :)

heidiho
September 30th, 2004, 10:41 AM
doesnt science diet have corn??I could have sworn it did,used to feed my dog that when i had him,but he was always biting at his skin,put him on solid gold,never did it again,,coat felt like mink awesome food

mastifflover
September 30th, 2004, 11:43 AM
INGREDIENTS: cereals, meat and animal derivatives, oils and fats, deviratives of vegetable origin, vegetable protein extracts, minerals, eggs and egg derivatives, seeds, L-tryptophan, L-lysine hydrochloride.

AVERAGE ANALYSIS: Protein 27.8%, fat 18.5%, fibre 2.5%, ash 6.9%, calcium 1.29%

PER KG: Vitamin A 9, 100 IU, Vitamin D3 530 IU, Vitamin E 600 mg. Copper (copper sulphate) 12.3 mg. With natural preservatives (citric acid) and natural antioxidants (mixed tocopherols.)

Well lets start with the fact that now they include corn as cereal. What are animal derivatives (by products waste) not human grade. Everything is a derivative or by product the protien level is to high unless you have a very active dog you will have a fat dog. If you look at a bag of Solid Gold besides there is no corn. The first ingredients are meat or poultry not a derivative of. Using high quality food will help your dog live a longer healthier life and will most likely save you a lot of money in vet bills. Plus the difference in their coats you will be able to see and feel within months of switching foods.

MBRA518
September 30th, 2004, 12:27 PM
Well lets start with the fact that now they include corn as cereal. What are animal derivatives (by products waste) not human grade. Everything is a derivative or by product the protien level is to high unless you have a very active dog you will have a fat dog. If you look at a bag of Solid Gold besides there is no corn. The first ingredients are meat or poultry not a derivative of. Using high quality food will help your dog live a longer healthier life and will most likely save you a lot of money in vet bills. Plus the difference in their coats you will be able to see and feel within months of switching foods.

yup... within 1 month I noticed less than half the shedding in my rottie. Her coat looked great before - but it looks even better now. I'm now well into my second month with her on Performatrin Ultra (from Pet Valu) and I'm now noticing a lot more energy and agility (well - when she's not too close to the couch ! :rolleyes: ) Last night she actually played soccer with me for like 15min - I haven't been able to get more than 2-3min of that kind of play out of her in over a year :D I'm extremely happy with the Performatrin Ultra and would recommend it to everyone! (I know I sound like a commercial) And it only cost me about $30 per month and Rosie's an 80lbs dog.

My local store just started carrying the cat food too... I'll likely switch the cat over too when I need to buy more food - I haven't noticed much of a difference in her over the last 2 months - she's been on Nutro. She also sheds too much and is...well let not candy coat it - Obese!. I've tried everything, all the "lite" foods and her food is rationed, not left out for her. The vet said "she needs to lose weight" - well duh - but he couldn't suggest anything I haven't already tried. It doesn't help the shedding part when she will NOT be brushed... LOL ;) Cats! :D

mastifflover
September 30th, 2004, 12:46 PM
I really don't know much about cat food but maybe a totally natural or holisitc food with no preservatives and low fat and protien levels. Performatrim is a good food my guy did not do well on it but that was about him not the food. It is reasonable to I love solid gold but when you have to buy 3 bags a month it is pricey.

Lucky Rescue
September 30th, 2004, 01:49 PM
For the cat, I would switch to good quality canned food. Since you have only one cat, it won't be that expensive!:)

LavenderRott
September 30th, 2004, 04:20 PM
The ingredients I listed are straight off of the Hill's website. Corn is listed as the first and fifth ingredients. Soy is the second and sixth.

MBRA518
September 30th, 2004, 04:37 PM
For the cat, I would switch to good quality canned food. Since you have only one cat, it won't be that expensive!:)

Tried it :( ... well fancy fest anyway but the ingredients look good on the can - all meat. Why would the wet be better for weight loss?

She is doing a little better now on the Nutro... but I'm definatly going to try the Performatrin Ultra cat food. When we got her she was a thin little cat (she was 6 months old from the local shelter)... and stayed that way for the first 8 months we had her... then we went to visit my parents and had someone come in and look after her, the dog was with us... but they didn't stay the night - we came back to twice the cat in 2 weeks... :eek: Since then it's been an uphill battle.

Part of it is that she is not very active she only moves for her food and one or 2 crazy runs around the house a day, she's not sick - just lazy... oh and we can't forget when she chases the dog up the stairs to bite her leg :o

krdahmer
September 30th, 2004, 09:22 PM
...and wysong are a little harder to get and you always need to check expiry dates on the food you are buying.

You know I don't have a dog...have no need to brush up on dog food info, but was skimming this post anyhow....and you know I have never once thought to look on a bag or can of cat food for an expiry date??? :eek:
See, it's a good thing I'm bored and nosy!! (And hubby always says that never comes in handy!) :rolleyes:
You learn new stuff in the strangest places!!! :D

krdahmer
September 30th, 2004, 09:28 PM
My local store just started carrying the cat food too... I'll likely switch the cat over too when I need to buy more food - I haven't noticed much of a difference in her over the last 2 months - she's been on Nutro. She also sheds too much and is...well let not candy coat it - Obese!. I've tried everything, all the "lite" foods and her food is rationed, not left out for her. The vet said "she needs to lose weight" - well duh - but he couldn't suggest anything I haven't already tried. It doesn't help the shedding part when she will NOT be brushed... LOL ;) Cats! :D

Ya, I went through the ingredients on the floor with the lady in the pet store when I was choosing a better cat food....Nutro has great advertising but corn was still high on the ingredient list. Mine are eating Wellness (which I think was only about $6 more than the Nutro) and seem to like it.

And by far the best thing to do for an overweight cat is to excersise them....we play string on a stick (a dowel with a shoe string tied through a drilled hole), and I can get all three of mine to chase it so hard that they need to sit and pant (me too sometimes!). Everyone walks their dogs and forgets that poor "Mr. Boots" likes to get winded too!

I was also told by my vet not to leave the cats on diet cat food for more than one bag's worth, if by then there is no improvement it isn't working.

badger
September 30th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Yeah, I kind of agree with that vet. Badger has inhaled more diet food, and he's still the fine hunk of cat he's always been. Now I give them both regular Innova and they love it. It isn't perfect - chicken meal is one of the first five ingredients - but there is no corn or any other filler that I can see. D*** expensive though.
Badger just gets less food, period. They do get some canned every day, with water added so it's like a soup and then I pour it over the dry. They can have them crunchy too, if they want. Badger likes a game of flyball at least once a day and if he wants to go out he has to drag himself down and back up one of those outside spiral staircases three floors. He's never gonna be a sylph and I'm not gonna obsess about it.
But I'm interested in the protein angle. Too much protein is fattening?

MBRA518
September 30th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Ya, I went through the ingredients on the floor with the lady in the pet store when I was choosing a better cat food....Nutro has great advertising but corn was still high on the ingredient list. Mine are eating Wellness (which I think was only about $6 more than the Nutro) and seem to like it.

And by far the best thing to do for an overweight cat is to excersise them....we play string on a stick (a dowel with a shoe string tied through a drilled hole), and I can get all three of mine to chase it so hard that they need to sit and pant (me too sometimes!). Everyone walks their dogs and forgets that poor "Mr. Boots" likes to get winded too!

I was also told by my vet not to leave the cats on diet cat food for more than one bag's worth, if by then there is no improvement it isn't working.


Yah I noticed that on the dog food with nutro... that's why i did more research.... the cat food wasn't as bad as the dog.

As for exercising... she just will not play unless she feels like it... she's quite moody and only seems to want to play when the dog is around... but then the dog gets in on it (the dog loves string - the fuzzy mouse (which is now offically a dog toy)... especially the laser pointer :D ) So I put the dog out so the cat can play without being stomped to death and she sits and waits for Rosie by the door... so I put the cat out to play (in the fenced yard) and she just wants to lay in the grass.... I can't win :rolleyes: Maybe I should get her a harness and walk her... That should be a pleasent experiance for all involved :D :eek:

I will be trying a new food on the next bag though. Actually could she possibly be getting too much food... she's an average size cat... with more fat than she needs... she gets 1/4 cup of nutro twice a day... that was a little less than the recommended amount if I recall correctly (it's nearing the end of the bag and I pour it into another container and toss the bag... so I can't check that)

Shelby
October 1st, 2004, 12:13 AM
oh man!! I have been using Science Diet ever since I've had my dogs! I thought it was a good brand!! I just assumed that because it's recommended by Vets (and is expensive!), that it would be quality. Looks like I shall have to do some research and change brands..

krdahmer
October 1st, 2004, 01:59 AM
My cats are all self feeders, well for the dry food anyhow...so I have no idea what the bag says to feed them! I do ration the wet food though and I have to feed Buddy seperate or else he eats all his and then muscles the girls away from theirs as well! :eek:
Windy has been heavy ever since we got Smoke and both got a little hefty after they got fixed, but as soon as we went back to a normal schedule Smoke slimmed right down (with a bit of help from a diet food and extra exersise). Windy has a little fat pouch and is really stocky (I swear most of it is muscle now from fighting with Buddy cause man is she strong now, if she decides to fight back when I pick her up to clip her claws or something, I lose!) but the vet says she is ok as long as she doesn't get any heavier. So with her I am more just trying to maintain her current weight.
Buddy on the other hand is still getting used to not having to gobble his food so someone else doesnt eat it, he's gained about 3 lbs since we took him in! He looks good now though, even people in the building say he looks much better now that I have taken him in.

Windy is probably more like your cat....plays only when she feels like it. Smoke and Buddy I can always get to chase the string... and I still think a cat panting is the cutest thing! The most exersise Windy gets is when Buddy decides to play with her... man do they ever tear up and down the hall! :D

vcheng79
October 1st, 2004, 04:29 AM
Hi, I feed my cats Science Diet and they are doing great! I tried feeding them dry food by Nature's but they don't have any pooh. Then I found out they don't have enough fibre in them. I went to the vet and she recommend Science Diet. All the vets I took my cats to (I have 3 vets because they have different charges [flea treatments + injections from "cheapest" vet), and all of them feed their pets with Science Diet. My cats did so well with this food in Canada that I bought 8 bags (8lbs) to bring back to Hong Kong with me (very expensive in Hong Kong). :D

LavenderRott
October 1st, 2004, 06:27 AM
Many dogs do great on Ole Roy too. The problem is long term health. I have talked to many a person who feed their dogs inexpensive dog food and I hear the same thing many times. I fed "Fluffy" this brand for 10 years, until I lost her to cancer. Now, ten years may sound like a long time, unless you are talking about a dog with a life expectancy of 13-15 years.

The better the food, the less the poo. The body utilizes more of the ingredients, leaving less waste to dispose of. When my girls are on a raw diet, they poo once a day. When they are on Canidae, once maybe twice a day. When they were eating crappy dog food, they were pooping 3 times a day. I am all for anything with less poo.

CandyKane
October 1st, 2004, 01:50 PM
We've actually decided to keep Tally on Pedigree.
She is no longer so fond of Hill's and after a few bowls we noticed her poo was runny and yellow - it was like this when we first put her on Hill's when she was about ten weeks.
She likes Pedigree and it has good variety, so we've decided to stick with that.
Thanks for your advice. :)

Princesss04
October 1st, 2004, 04:26 PM
I could be wrong but I think that Pedigree is bad for them as well. Someone else would know more but that is what I think.

CandyKane
October 1st, 2004, 04:31 PM
I have heard this before as well, but Tally likes Pedigree and she has had no health problems since I put her on it, so I am going to keep her on it. :)

hounds003
October 1st, 2004, 07:14 PM
*giggle @ LavR*

I have switched my girl to Wellness, Lamb and Rice. She loves it but farts upa storm!!! Is there really a way to get away from the gas?!?! Except for those diapers that I saw on here a long time ago, the ones with the filter LOL! That's funny!

Too funny! One of our dogs was on Wellness Fish & Sweet Potatoe for a while. He could clear a room in an instant!

Lucky Rescue
October 1st, 2004, 08:19 PM
Tally likes Pedigree and she has had no health problems since I put her on it, so I am going to keep her on it.

Tally is 12 weeks old, right? So you have no idea how she will do on it. I think she's also a Westie - a breed notorious for skin problems. Eating garbage sure won't help that.

You may like Big Macs too, but a steady diet of them would do little for your health.

CandyKane
October 2nd, 2004, 07:14 AM
I am actually a vegetarian, and I don't eat Big Macs, I eat health food.
Tally enjoys her food and I think taste is importnant - her weight is fine and her check ups are good.
As for any skin problems, she is regularly groomed and checked.
I think Pedigree is a fine food and I am going to keep feeding her it. :D

LavenderRott
October 2nd, 2004, 07:24 AM
Well, so long as Tally likes her food. Here's to her long term health.

Just out of curiosity, why are you a vegetarian?

Lucky Rescue
October 2nd, 2004, 12:06 PM
I eat health food.

And your puppy gets junk food. Okay, but why do you ask advice of older, more knowledgeable and more experienced people, who provide proof of what they are telling you, then say you have no intention of listening? You are merely wasting our time.

CandyKane
October 2nd, 2004, 12:57 PM
LuckyRescue, I am not going to start a fight with you.
I merely asked information about Hill's, I had no intention of switching Tally onto another food. She prefers Pedigree so I am going to keep her on it.
PS: I am a vegetarian because eating meat and fish makes me feel sick, and since cutting meat out I feel and look much healthier. If anybody else wants any more info, www.famousveggie.com has a great message board.
:)

LavenderRott
October 2nd, 2004, 01:02 PM
Putting Tally on a better quality food will make her look and feel much better too.

Lucky Rescue
October 2nd, 2004, 01:17 PM
Asking questions is not trying to "start a fight".

When you make statements like this:

I think Pedigree is a fine food

you really should be able to back it up. What is good about it? Why do you think everyone is telling you it's not good? The point of this board is to help pets live healthier lives and get better care, which is why we are advising you.

The fact that your puppy likes it does not mean it's fine.

Dogs like many things that are not good for them. This does not mean they are fine.

CandyKane
October 2nd, 2004, 02:06 PM
I am going to talk with my vet about the best food possible for Tally.
It is probable that I will keep her on Pedigree though.
Thank you for all your advice. ;)

lilith_rizel
October 2nd, 2004, 02:55 PM
Has any one heard anything about Chicken soup for the pet lovers soul brand? We went to a pet shop to look at different foods today. I didn't see any by products or yellow corn. Is this a good brand?

Writing4Fun
October 2nd, 2004, 03:05 PM
Lots of folks on this board swear by it. I've never tried it myself - a little too rich for my blood. :o

MBRA518
October 2nd, 2004, 08:36 PM
What is good about it? Why do you think everyone is telling you it's not good?

Well you know the dog on TV dances for it... it must be good right?! :p

Sorry - in a silly mood and just couldn't resist :D

lilith_rizel
October 2nd, 2004, 09:25 PM
Don't think I have seen that commercial. It sounds humorous!!

Writing4Fun
October 2nd, 2004, 09:59 PM
I think that's actually for Kibbles 'n Bits. Yeah, it's a hoot! :rolleyes:

LavenderRott
October 3rd, 2004, 09:42 AM
Has any one heard anything about Chicken soup for the pet lovers soul brand? We went to a pet shop to look at different foods today. I didn't see any by products or yellow corn. Is this a good brand?

It has waayyy to much stuff in it for my girls. It is all good stuff, but there is just so much. If a dog developed allergies while eating it, it could take months to narrow down the culprit.

chico2
October 3rd, 2004, 10:33 AM
Lilith...CSFCLS is great for my cats,they are not overweight and they like it.I also feed them wet food as their main meals morn/night,the dry food is there 24/7.

layla
October 3rd, 2004, 11:29 AM
Have you checked Eukaneuba Lamb and Rice....mine loves it, and her pooes are regular...

LavenderRott
October 3rd, 2004, 11:42 AM
There is way more to life then regular poos. Eukanuba and Iams are both made by Proctor and Gamble and are tested on labratory dogs and cats.

layla
October 3rd, 2004, 11:44 AM
What? I didn't know that....I was told that it was a good feed for them....I guess that something like that they forget to mention.

LavenderRott
October 3rd, 2004, 11:53 AM
Canidae is a much better food. You want to look for something with very little corn or soy and no meat by products. Meat meals are ok, just not by products. And don't get anything with generic meats. That could be anything at all including euthanized pets. Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul is a very good food, but I think it has too many different things in it for my girls.

You will find that with a better quality food, your dog will look better, feel better and poo less.

Oh, and just so you know, Chase ate Pedigree for a long time. She got fat, had no energy and pooped like a champ!

MBRA518
October 3rd, 2004, 12:01 PM
Have you checked Eukaneuba Lamb and Rice....mine loves it, and her pooes are regular...

That is made by the same company as Iams and it also full of fillers. When I was doing my research when changing to a "good" dog food I came to the conclusion that if you've never seen an ad for it outside of a pet store - it has a better chance of it being a quality food. Seems quality foods sell themselves and many of those companies do not advertise much or at all.

Look at the ingredients on the side of the bag, corn or any type of corn or brewers rice (seem to be the worst and most often used fillers) should not be in the top 5 ingredients... be sure to notice if corn and cornmeal are not #6&7... that's a cleaver ploy to try and hide how much corn is really in there. A really good dog food will not have either of those ingredients in the food at all. The problem with corn is that dogs can't digest it and therefore get no benefit from it.... he!! humans can't even digest the stuff (you know what I mean :eek: ) The problem with brewers rice is that it is already used, in the brewing process, so all or most of the good stuff is drained out of it all ready.

You want to look for things you would eat... actual meat - not "meat meal" and real veggies and grains like potatoes, carots and brown rice. I noticed that the lower end products from the good dog food brands, like solid gold, performatrin, etc all had fillers like corn or corn meal, but the Holistic, Ultra - upper end products from those companies were full of great ingredients.

My thoughts on this was if I'm going to spend twice as much for dog food (I was using a desent but not great food) I was going to spend that extra $5 a bag and get the best. I decided on Performatrin Ultra, which was a great choice for my dog. I thought she looked and acted healthy before but after 2 months on the new food her coat is much better, her weight is great and she has much more energy - she's an 8 yr old dog and I thought her lowering energy level was just her age - but she is back to being as playful and full of energy as when she was 3-4 yrs younger. I'm extreamly happy with that food and I'm a total advicate for feeding high quality foods to our pets - I really didn't know it would make that much difference.

My guess is if you are feeding Eukaneuba you would actually save money to feed a natural all human grade food... as Eukaneuba is very pricey and not much better than many economy feeds.

Cactus Flower
October 3rd, 2004, 12:26 PM
Seems as though Candy's mind is already made up. But for the rest of you reading this: I just recently bought a bag of Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul, and both of my dogs love it, they DO poop much less, they are more satisfied by eating less of it (so the price really does balance out), and the list of ingredients are impressive. My dogs are in excellent health.
I am lucky, in that I don't have to worry about singling out a food allergy amidst so many different ingredients. So this brand is really working well for them.

chico2
October 3rd, 2004, 04:42 PM
I highly recommend it(CSFCLS) for cats and dogs,but you won't see it on TV,no cat will jump five stories up to get it(commercial) :D

MBRA518
October 3rd, 2004, 07:57 PM
I highly recommend it(CSFCLS) for cats and dogs,but you won't see it on TV,no cat will jump five stories up to get it(commercial) :D

:D .. well it must not be that good then ;)

That's why DBF doesn't get to shop for pet food - bad enough he buys the stuff with the best ad for us :rolleyes:

moontamara
October 3rd, 2004, 08:41 PM
I would like to remind everyone that Candykane is in the U.K and her Pedigree might be a better quality than the North American stuff. Melanie in Australia swears by it too.

lilith_rizel
October 5th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Thanks for the information on the Chicken Soup pet food. I think my husband and I will try our puppy on it. It is the best brand for the best price at the pet store we live by. And we like the idea that he won't get over weight and will eat less. :)

Writing4Fun
October 5th, 2004, 09:42 PM
I thought "meal" was okay (not as good as actual meat), but "by-products" were bad?

Gotta tell you. Phoebe's been on Nutro Natural Choice for a couple of weeks now. She's lying next to my bed right now, sleeping - and farting up a storm! :eek: Holy Crow! Talk about room clearing abilities! That's the last bag of Nutro I'm buying! :p

Cactus Flower
October 6th, 2004, 01:58 AM
Good luck with the Chicken Soup- I bet it will be a smash hit!

MBRA518
October 6th, 2004, 08:15 AM
Chicken meal, etc. is just chicken (etc.) with the water processed out of it.

I meant to refer to the misc meat by products (mystery meat you often see on low quality foods) - sorry - I didn't use the right wording. - thanks for correcting that

Edited to add - if your dog has allergies to a type of meat (say pork fro example) you would want to stay away from meat meat - as you don't know what type of meat they mean - could be pork, chicken, beef, lamb - it's likely whatever was cheapest at the time of production...

mastifflover
October 6th, 2004, 10:11 AM
I would not feed this stuff to any dog. It is a bunch of filler. If you change to a high quality food in 2 months you will see huge changes. Smaller poops, (the food actually digests), much healthier coat, more energy, generally better health and the best is that in the long run your vet bills will smaller because they are healthier in turn live longer. So I think $10 or $15 a bag is a small price to pay. There are a lot of high quality foods and not all of them are expensive some are in the medium price range. But consider one visit to the vet $65.00 just to walk in the door, no tests or anything. You might spend that extra on food in one year and not have to take your dog to the vet other than annual check up an shots. You will lessen the chances of digestive problems and blockages and numerous other problems. Remeber that I buy only the largest bag available so the difference in price might be much less if you have small or medium size breeds and you feed less of good food.