September 24th, 2004, 07:44 AM
How often can you breed from a bitch?
also what does breeder unresitered mean on new puppies?
if any one can help with theese questions id be grateful
September 24th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Most reputable breeders will breed a bitch every other season or maybe twice one year and skip a year.
If the pups are unregistered, it usually means that either the parents aren't registered or the "breeder" is too lazy to fill out the paperwork. Either way, not a puppy I would pay money for.
September 24th, 2004, 07:54 AM
thanks i thought they should give the bitch a break too. i got it wrong the :confused: y sell there pups on a non breeding register and that it can be removed once the pups had passed tests ??????????????
September 24th, 2004, 07:58 AM
What breed of dog are we talking about here?
September 24th, 2004, 07:59 AM
I think I know what you mean..the pups are sold on a non breeding contract which means they cannot breed the dog until they get their health clearance..which I believe is from 18 months to 24 months?
After that they may breed the pup..is that what you mean?
September 24th, 2004, 09:35 AM
They said that the sell dogs that are a non breeding registor once they have been tested this can be removed not sure what it means am new to canada
September 24th, 2004, 06:58 PM
puppy. Oh Boy! Huge breed, plenty of Orthopedic problems if you buy from the Wrong breeder! Much of the testing (Like Penn hip) can be done with a fair degree of accuracy as young as 3 months.
I wouldn't take any large breed puppy without a return guarantee from the breeder, & a look at 3 generations back on Both sides of parents for things like ortho. problems, hips, elbows, & the whole thing! Don't go cheap, Go quality! If you can't afford a quality puppy wait until you can. It will save you a lot of heartbreak. :eek:
September 24th, 2004, 10:39 PM
This is tottally unrelated to this subject but... i know its the right word but i really hate the word "bitch" makes it sound like your talking about a peice of meat, surely girl or female is better. just my opinion
I know some of you are breeders, but your humans too right?
September 25th, 2004, 01:33 AM
Who's a breeder??? Not anyone here... I don't think...? :D
And btw, I agree about the bitch thing, hate using that word for a doggie. :(
September 25th, 2004, 05:56 AM
Sorry female dog
September 25th, 2004, 08:15 PM
Not guilty on both counts! ;)
September 25th, 2004, 10:34 PM
How often can you breed from a bitch?
also what does breeder unresitered mean on new puppies?
if any one can help with theese questions id be grateful
I'm hoping that you DO NOT breed your dog if this is what you had in mind. There are already so many unwanted and homeless dogs in this world that there really is no need to create more. Although I do not agree with breeding for the most part...I am thankful that reputable and responsible (although not many) breeders exist to ensure the wellness of certain breeds..however..these people are few and breeding should only be left to them...let me give you a list of things that a responsible and reputable breeder is known for..and ask yourself if you have performed any of these tasks listed..if you are even missing one, I would consider spaying/neutering your dog. Please, please do not breed unless you know 100% what you are doing..and according to your question...you DO NOT know much about breeding..
Here is the link on what it means to be a responsible breeder...I hope the rest of you also find this informative and useful:
--How knowledgeable is the breeder about this particular breed? Are they familiar with its historical origins? Can they educate you about the breed's disadvantages - especially genetic predisposition to health problems and characteristics like shedding, slobber, dominance, inter-dog aggression, etc. that may make owning the breed a challenge? Beware of anyone who sounds like a salesman and tells you that their breed has no disadvantages! Good breeders will play devil's advocate.
--Are the breeder's dogs screened for genetic health defects like hip dysplasia, eye disorders, hypothyroidism, Von Willebrand's disease, epilepsy, cardiac conditions, and anything else that is common in the breed? Can they provide you with proof, e.g., CERF and OFA certification and other relevant veterinary documentation? A good breeder will welcome your concern and be glad to offer the requested information - beware of anyone who is defensive! An excellent breeder will candidly discuss the health of their line of dogs, including the problems that have cropped up. Even good breeders can produce unhealthy dogs on occasion. The difference is that the good breeder is on a mission to find and remove those genetic influences from their breeding lines. The irresponsible breeder approaches health in a haphazard manner.
--Does the breeder have any old dogs on the premises? How long have their own dogs lived, and from what have they died? Beware of the person who sells off their adult dogs that are retired from showing and breeding. You want a breeder who loves the breed, not someone who loves to breed.
--How many breeds is this person breeding? Ideally, someone will have a special interest in only one breed (perhaps two). A Jack-of-all-Breeds truly is a master of none. How many litters does the breeder have in any given year? A good breeder may breed one or two litters, or may not breed at all for a year or more between litters. More is never better. Anyone who is producing a large number of dogs is probably doing it at the expense of quality.
--Are the breeder's dogs kennel dogs or house pets? While it is sanitary to keep large numbers of dogs outside in a kennel, you want a breeder who keeps their dogs in the house with the family. Breeders who keep their dogs in kennels may have temperament defects (like excessive dominance) of which they are not even aware. Puppies should be raised inside an active home to begin socializing them to a household environment.
--Will the breeder provide you with the names of their veterinarian and several past purchasers to serve as references? If given a choice, request pet references. Certainly a professional trainer will be able to handle a tough puppy, but what about a family with three kids and a cat? If the latter just loves the temperament of their dog, that speaks volumes. Ask the breeder about the homes that haven't worked out. There are bound to be some. Is the breeder honest that they made a poor placement, sympathetic to someone who underwent a life change that necessitated returning a dog, blunt that they produced a problem dog... or is the breeder bitter and accusatory about the person who bought the dog? Beware of the narrow-minded breeder who places blame on everyone but themselves.
--What kind of guarantees does the breeder offer? Most will offer a replacement puppy or refund of purchase price if your puppy manifests a serious genetic defect. Any responsible breeder will want to keep in touch with you and be informed if your dog develops health problems. The better ones may ask you to have your pet OFA and/or CERF screened when it is old enough (as your dog reflects on their breeding stock). Truly caring breeders will insist that you return your puppy to them if you are unable to keep it for any reason during its entire life.
--Does the breeder expect to sell you a puppy with strings attached? Concerned, responsible breeders will insist that you neuter your pet puppy as soon as it is old enough. They may have you sign a contract to this effect, or they may sell the puppy with limited registration (which means that if you do breed it, you cannot register the offspring). Remarkable breeders will pediatrically neuter puppies before sending them off to their new homes. This is a very good sign in a breeder, so much so that I would be suspicious of any breeder who does not insist on neutering.
--On the other hand, beware of any breeder who tries to sucker you into a breeding contract. They will treat you like you're stupid by flattering you and trying to con you into agreeing to keep your pet intact and breeding one or more litters, giving the breeder back one or more puppies from each litter. This is the biggest scam around. You get stuck with the expense and inconvenience (not to mention health risks) of keeping an intact animal and then providing the breeder with free puppies. If a breeder tries to talk you into this kind of pyramid scheme, find another breeder.
--At what age does the breeder send puppies to their new homes? Avoid any breeder who wants to send home a puppy younger than seven weeks. Many good breeders will release puppies at 8 weeks, but as long as the puppy is being actively socialized, it is arguably better to wait until 10 or 12 weeks.
--What does the breeder do to socialize their puppies? Ask them for specifics. Good breeders will have lots of toys and activities to which to expose their puppies. Mild stress is excellent for making puppies resilient later in life. A breeder who allows their puppies to experience different sounds, surfaces, etc. and meet different people is trying hard. A breeder who keeps their puppies in some sort of ultra-sanitary, almost sterile vacuum is doing the puppies a great disservice. Puppies raised in a kennel should be avoided.
--A good breeder will be very interested in who you are and somewhat choosy about whether you are able to provide an adequate home for one of their cherished pups. A breeder who wants to see your home, your kids, your spouse, your other pets, proof of your fencing, or talk to your veterinarian is simply trying to make sure that you will take good care of their pup. Do not resent this. Good breeders want to keep in touch with you after you've purchased a puppy and will be there for you with support and advice later on. Avoid breeders who take credit card orders over the internet and ship puppies to anyone who wants them. NO responsible breeder will sell a puppy to a pet store or other broker for resale.
--A good breeder will participate in breed rescue efforts for the breed they love. This is important. Anyone who scoffs at breed rescue or is not personally involved in it in any way is someone to be avoided. Often the best place to begin your search for a good breeder is to ask breed rescue volunteers for their recommendations.
--Good breeders think ahead and make reservations in advance for the puppies they will produce. You may have to wait for a puppy, but that's not a bad thing. Beware of someone who first creates puppies and then worries about how to disperse them.
--What does the breeder do for a living? Dog breeding should be an avocation. Avoid anyone who makes their living through breeding dogs! The corners they cut financially may be at your expense.
--Are the premises clean and orderly? Are the breeder’s dogs healthy in appearance? It can be a messy proposition to raise a litter of puppies, but puppies should not be wallowing in waste, covered with fleas, or otherwise appear neglected. Keep in mind that many longhaired bitches will shed their coats heavily during this time, so if the puppies’ mother appears a little ratty it is not necessarily inappropriate or unusual.
--Do you like the temperaments of the puppies' parents? Remember, temperament is genetic! Avoid puppies from bitches that demonstrate any aggression or shyness. Specifically inquire about possessiveness (food and object guarding), inter-dog aggression, defensiveness about being handled, etc. Accept no excuses for undesirable behavior. Don't be afraid to ask the breeder to demonstrate the *****'s good temperament to you.
--Has the breeder or will the breeder allow you to temperament test the litter? While puppy-testing is not especially predictive of adult temperament, it’s an attempt to gauge a puppy’s personality so that it can be best matched with a new owner. Ask the breeder's permission before doing anything to a puppy. No potential buyer has the right to do anything to a puppy which a breeder perceives as potentially harmful.
--Does your breeder respect veterinarians, trainers, groomers, breeders, and other peer professionals in the dog world? Beware of breeders who are paranoid or hostile towards other professionals. One cannot operate competently in a vacuum, and in general, good breeders are socially well-networked. They are liked, like others, and respect competent professionals in their field. A good breeder should make the effort the know other good breeders (especially of their own breed). It is important for a breeder to strive to improve their knowledge and understanding of their breed and submit to peer critique, even if it is not necessarily formalized (as in the show ring).
The information (with some more important points that I did not include due to character limitation) can be found on the following site:
September 26th, 2004, 01:33 PM
Pittbulliest, for a newby, that is an awesome post! Welcome to the board! Wish everyone put so much thought into this subject! :)
September 26th, 2004, 04:24 PM
I keep seeing this post near the top.
My gut answer to this is NEVER. Why bring more dogs into a world PURPOSELY when so many are put to sleep everyday. Have you seen a dog put to sleep? Mmm mmm mmm (shakes head).
September 26th, 2004, 05:25 PM
dogs are a necessity in our society, it has been proven throughout history man has often had a reliance on his canine companion and they have many defined and very important roles in our society.
what about the genetic survival of many dog species?? has this been considered by ppl here. yes i am very aware of bad breeders who are interested in a quick buck, but there is still a need to protect genetic diversity and genetic safety of each breed and species.
if we dont have breeders how will we achieve this?? should we take DNA samples of all dog species and store it with the intention of growing one in a lab at a later date when we have no living examples of the breed left, just like molly the sheep or the dodo bird??
or will we play god and consider all the breeds not a necessity and just have mixed dogs? is this natural? is this in line with the general genetic diversity of species (we dont have so much control over) around the world??
i wonder if in 50yrs we will have mjr problems with genetic diversity of dogs, will every breed name end in 'poo' or 'doodle' ****erpoo, labra doodle etc.??
and various trends such as the current small dog trend can serioulsy threaten the genetic diversity of dogs. or should we all just force better standards for breeders and dog care in general thus raising standards and keeping natural genetic diversity???
food for thought
September 26th, 2004, 05:35 PM
The problem for me with breeding dogs is that they aren't people. If they don't have a home they are killed. Even when they have one they aren't necessarily treated right. Bringing more into the world doesn't make sense. There are no limits or boundaries for breeders. That is the problem. Do we "need" a Doberman to be the same in the next 50 yrs? or a Lab or a Beagle? I say no.
September 26th, 2004, 05:58 PM
this is one of those industries that wont die, it will always have customers weather we like it or not. cflat if we were to raise the standards of dog care globally, not just in breeders but in all aspects of their lives, would your opinion change then??
eg if we dont breed cattle dogs what will happen in 50yrs?? what will farmers do, we cannot get rid of farmers and most farmers need a good dog to work with, and i know my silly GSD is not up for the job, neither is my mums crazy shtzu :D (could you imagine, what a luagh :D ).
i know farmers that breede their cattle dogs, simply to keep good genetics in the workers, this is very effective and i have seen complete lines of exceptional cattle dogs, fantastic and amazingly clever animals. these farmers do not sell their dogs, i know some who will trade with a neighbor to ensure genetic cleanliness and to share good dogs and i know others that do not part with their dogs.(many dont have continuous litters so not an overpopulaiton problem). the point is this, these farmers are ensuring good genes and diversity, they are ensuring the lines continue and they keep their dogs well and love them, most farmers i know treat their dogs like their greatest mates.
if this is the situation we can force globally, ie responsible breeding and adequate care, do you think we can preserve this genetic diversity??
for an example of what im saying- chickens- due to the lack of genetic diversity and preservation of diversity in chickens, all chickens globally can be traced to 4 distinct genetic lines, and with battery practices this can only get smaller, this freaks me out as we need genetic diversity for a healthy environment and healthy animals, healthy animals free from genetic problems is most important to me, to ensure health and longevity (sourced form new scientist journal april issue). by limiting their genetic diversity we are seriously putting these animals and the actual species in grave danger, this is how animals eventually become extict (in short-no genetic diversity means poor health and physical problems, this in turn affects breeding and distibutuion, which eventually screws the species).
food for thought
September 27th, 2004, 07:58 AM
thanks alot just looking into the possibilitie of getting a puppy not sure yet and wondered thought id clue myself up first