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14+kitties
March 28th, 2011, 02:00 PM
:frustrated: My idiotic tenant has bred his dog again! Well, should I say the deeds been done, pups are here and look like they are almost ready to go. :wall::wall::wall:
For those of you who don't know - we have a small cottage we rent out to this guy that's been there for over 10 years. He has had a succession of GSDs. He had his old guy put down last year at 13 years (I think). This place is not large. It's one bedroom and a combo living/dining. He currently has two cats and two GSDs - mother and son. He bred the mom last year just before putting his older one down and kept one of the male pups. She had 10 last time. I believe two died at birth. He had some trouble getting homes for the last ones. Sure didn't veto anyone who showed up. If they had the money they went home with a pup. :(
This time we once again did not know she had been bred. Really, knowing him I would not put it past him to have let her and the son together. The son isn't around right now. Not sure if that's permanent or if he has him out to stud. We aren't exactly on speaking terms with this man for this and other reasons. :rolleyes: We have seen 4 puppies outside with the mom. Not sure if that's because that's all she's had or if it's because he's already gotten rid of some of them.
So - my conundrum - we can't boot him because "unless we are going to rent the place to one of our children or tear it down we have no grounds to evict." He is breeding this dog knowing that her father, the one he had put down last year, had hip dysplasia and arthritis. Now - is it any wonder I have such a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to some breeders.
Not even sure if I'm posting for advise or just to get it off my chest. I am soooo sick of this guy!!

Melinda
March 28th, 2011, 02:04 PM
I don't blame you for being ticked, I know if a neighbour complains to the landlord are you not allowed then to evict him? Is there any way you can "upgrade" a rental lease stating only pups under 6 months or altered adults dogs can live there?

erykah1310
March 28th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Can you not evict if it is for sale? Having to do reno's prior to the sale?
Not saying you would have to list the place but if you could get him out, appear to be doing reno's putting a for sale sign up (by owner) and then taking it down re renting?

14+kitties
March 28th, 2011, 02:17 PM
I don't blame you for being ticked, I know if a neighbour complains to the landlord are you not allowed then to evict him? Is there any way you can "upgrade" a rental lease stating only pups under 6 months or altered adults dogs can live there?

We ARE the neighbours! It's month to month. No cause for eviction is what we've been told when we phoned L&TBoard.

Can you not evict if it is for sale? Having to do reno's prior to the sale?
Not saying you would have to list the place but if you could get him out, appear to be doing reno's putting a for sale sign up (by owner) and then taking it down re renting?

It can't go up for sale. It's part and parcel of our land. We ain't selling! This place will not be worth renoing by the time he's done with it. He has wrecked just about everything in it. :wall:

Melinda
March 28th, 2011, 02:18 PM
and can that not be a reason?? destroying property? I've never owned a rental but I'm just tossing out suggestions, are you allowed in to inspect the property from time to time?

hazelrunpack
March 28th, 2011, 02:19 PM
Sue him for damages :evil: Maybe he'd just move as a settlement :fingerscr

BenMax
March 28th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Well interesting suggestions from everyone..but that does not address the issue that is really bugging you is it 14+K? It's the fact that he is breeding and there is yet another batch of cute puppies to go who knows where.

Infact, from what I know of you 14+K...the property is not the issue..it's the fact that the guy is a selfish person who is adding to an already over population of animals.

In order to get him off your property and do his breeding somewhere else..call the rental board and see what steps you need to make to build your case...outside of the breeding issue. This may be the only way to get him off your property..but he will breed in another location regardless.

Sorry 14+K :grouphug:

BenMax
March 28th, 2011, 02:38 PM
14+K... report him anonymously to CRA re: undeclared business, or call the public health etc.?

Melinda
March 28th, 2011, 02:51 PM
http://torontolawyersattorneys.com/tag/evicting-a-tenant-in-ontario/

about 2/3rds down the page it talks about undue damage and "illegal" acts, business etc. but I suppose you've already looked into all this page. there is something also at the very bottom that talks about renovations and being able to evict the tenant in order to do them.

erykah1310
March 28th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Is there a dog bylaw in your area? Number allowed ect? With out a kennel licence?
Regardless if he has your house to breed in or not he will continue to do so, however it is harder and harder for people with pets to find housing in this province.
I'd call CRA especially now that there are puppies there that he is selling. IF he was to say he wasn't selling them then he would have too many dogs for most cities bylaws.

Its sad that tennants have more rights than landlords now a days. If I were you I would put in the rent increse application for this year, and again next if you can't get him out, keep putting it up the 4% you can ( or what ever it is now) and see if you can sort of run him out like that.
What a terrible situation to be in

BenMax
March 28th, 2011, 02:53 PM
I'd call CRA especially now

Yep - that is what I said.:thumbs up

kittygirl
March 28th, 2011, 03:58 PM
The problem with forcing him out is that he is not likely going to stop breeding. Like most back yard breeders - he thinks he's got a cash cow, and the potential extra costs of moving or increase in rent will probably just drive him to pump out more litters. :wall::wall:

14+ - maybe offer him an incentive. Rent rebate in exchange for his bitch being spayed?

chico2
March 28th, 2011, 04:16 PM
I know this is not the only problem you are having with this man and I can really feel your frustration:frustrated:
His GSD's are beautiful and the fact he is breeding the female,really gets to me and more than likely her son will be the stud.
I don't think that guy cares one way or the other how the pups turn out,many probably going to other byb's.
I know he has Siamese cats,do you think he's breeding them too?

pattymac
March 28th, 2011, 06:00 PM
That really sucks. You would think that if he is or has pretty much destroyed the cottage you should have some legal leg to stand on to get him out. After all it is YOUR property. Good luck and I hope you find a solution!

t.pettet
March 28th, 2011, 06:14 PM
If you can prove he's using your rental property for commercial purposes (breeding dogs) and the lease specifies the property was not for that purpose but solely as a place to reside then you might have a case. How many GSD's are in shelters right now and this goof is adding more to the population.

Shaykeija
March 28th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Tell him you are turning it into a cat house......Ho's moving in..lol

I am sorry you are stuck with a fool for a tenant. They can be a real PITA at times.

Tundra_Queen
March 28th, 2011, 09:07 PM
We ARE the neighbours! It's month to month. No cause for eviction is what we've been told when we phoned L&TBoard.



It can't go up for sale. It's part and parcel of our land. We ain't selling! This place will not be worth renoing by the time he's done with it. He has wrecked just about everything in it. :wall:

14+ can't u send him a bill for the things he has wrecked giving him a certain period of time to pay his bill and if he doesn't then evict him?

Masha
March 28th, 2011, 09:27 PM
14+ can't u send him a bill for the things he has wrecked giving him a certain period of time to pay his bill and if he doesn't then evict him?

I dont believe you can do that, but i believe you can evict if you need the property for personal use, so can you not make it seem as though you are using it again? and then rent it out again eventually (6 months down the road...)

Dee-O-Gee
March 28th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Regulations now a days are really not in favour of a landlord or an employer at that.

I would take all suggestions above and concur with most. Speak with the Canada Revenue Agency as far as his line of income. If anything, it could potentially "red flag" him. :shrug:

lUvMyLaB<3
March 28th, 2011, 10:26 PM
2 ideas... One could you give him 3 months notice that you are having family move in, or are renovating your home and need to live in it then 'change your mind' in 4 months?

Also I was given 3 months notice for the house I was renting because they were tearing it down. I had to go to residential tenancies and had several escalated hearings as it was during the school year and to get my pet damage deposit back because he was not legally allowed to ask for it. During the hearing he said that they weren't tearing it down anymore, they changed his mind ( this was all because of personal conflict and I knew it) anyway I had another place lined up so it was ok, but he was allowed to follow through and allowed to change his mind.. So maybe that could work for you?

It doesn't solve the breeding issue :( but at least you don't have to see it and provide refuge for this behavior? Good luck that would be frustrating!!

krdahmer
March 29th, 2011, 04:19 AM
.....cause you're too nice to fight dirty.... ;)

man what a boob! that guy has got to go!

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 11:47 AM
and can that not be a reason?? destroying property? I've never owned a rental but I'm just tossing out suggestions, are you allowed in to inspect the property from time to time?

No, unfortunately not. You have to go through small claims court. Believe me, that is mostly a useless cause. I had a home I rented out when I moved down here. My last renters started (didn't get a chance to finish) a grow op; had a habit of throwing knives into walls, if the knives didn't work their fists did; completely wrecked a fridge that was only a year old when I left it there, as in ripped the handle right off of it; didn't pay rent for the last 5 months they were there; left behind 5 truckloads of garbage, clothing, etc; left behind incriminating evidence about their drug use and trafficking of said drugs; the list goes on........ I went to small claims. They of course didn't show. I am still trying to track them down to get them to pay damages. I figure it's a loss cause.
Yes, we are allowed to inspect - with 24 hours notice. Lots of time for him to "clean up" as much as he can.

14+K... report him anonymously to CRA re: undeclared business, or call the public health etc.?

That's an idea. :thumbs up

Is there a dog bylaw in your area? Number allowed ect? With out a kennel licence?
Regardless if he has your house to breed in or not he will continue to do so, however it is harder and harder for people with pets to find housing in this province.
I'd call CRA especially now that there are puppies there that he is selling. IF he was to say he wasn't selling them then he would have too many dogs for most cities bylaws.

Its sad that tennants have more rights than landlords now a days. If I were you I would put in the rent increse application for this year, and again next if you can't get him out, keep putting it up the 4% you can ( or what ever it is now) and see if you can sort of run him out like that.
What a terrible situation to be in

Yes, there is a dog limit. Not enforced. He lives on disability - of course. The rent increase is so negligible as to be laughable. It would amount to a whole $2.67 or something. His rent is next to nothing.


If you can prove he's using your rental property for commercial purposes (breeding dogs) and the lease specifies the property was not for that purpose but solely as a place to reside then you might have a case. How many GSD's are in shelters right now and this goof is adding more to the population.

I know t.pettet. That's the sad part. It makes me so heartsick. :(

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 11:50 AM
.....cause you're too nice to fight dirty.... ;)

man what a boob! that guy has got to go!

:grouphug: Thanks mf.

2 ideas... One could you give him 3 months notice that you are having family move in, or are renovating your home and need to live in it then 'change your mind' in 4 months?

Also I was given 3 months notice for the house I was renting because they were tearing it down. I had to go to residential tenancies and had several escalated hearings as it was during the school year and to get my pet damage deposit back because he was not legally allowed to ask for it. During the hearing he said that they weren't tearing it down anymore, they changed his mind ( this was all because of personal conflict and I knew it) anyway I had another place lined up so it was ok, but he was allowed to follow through and allowed to change his mind.. So maybe that could work for you?

It doesn't solve the breeding issue :( but at least you don't have to see it and provide refuge for this behavior? Good luck that would be frustrating!!

We are trying to convince my youngest stepson he really does want to move in! He's not buying it. :rolleyes:

Tell him you are turning it into a cat house......Ho's moving in..lol

I am sorry you are stuck with a fool for a tenant. They can be a real PITA at times.

:laughing::laughing: Thanks for the laugh Shay!

erykah1310
March 29th, 2011, 11:54 AM
I'll find out how a friend of mine was actually evicted for nothing, they went to court and all but the landlord actually won somehow. She kept her place impecable, she was a quiet tennant who lived there for 5 years, never put so much as a pin hole in the walls. He couldnt stand that she was a lesbian (of all reasons) and got her out with all sorts of BS.
I'll ask her exactly what he said or did in court for ya.
*she too is on disability*

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 11:59 AM
I know this is not the only problem you are having with this man and I can really feel your frustration:frustrated:
His GSD's are beautiful and the fact he is breeding the female,really gets to me and more than likely her son will be the stud.
I don't think that guy cares one way or the other how the pups turn out,many probably going to other byb's.
I know he has Siamese cats,do you think he's breeding them too?

:grouphug: chico. No, it's not. :(
It's money so he can support his other habit, right? He has one old Siamese. I actually haven't seen him the last few months. Maybe he passed. He would normally be down in the greenhouse scarfing down the food I leave out for strays. He isn't breeding them thank God!.

Well interesting suggestions from everyone..but that does not address the issue that is really bugging you is it 14+K? It's the fact that he is breeding and there is yet another batch of cute puppies to go who knows where.

Infact, from what I know of you 14+K...the property is not the issue..it's the fact that the guy is a selfish person who is adding to an already over population of animals.

In order to get him off your property and do his breeding somewhere else..call the rental board and see what steps you need to make to build your case...outside of the breeding issue. This may be the only way to get him off your property..but he will breed in another location regardless.

Sorry 14+K :grouphug:

You know me far too well BM.:grouphug: I hate seeing those pups, as cute as they are, running around up there and knowing he doesn't care where they go. Some, if not all of them, are going to end up right back in the system again once they get past the cute puppy stage. It breaks my heart.
I remember him saying to me once a few years back when we were still talking and were having a discussion about breeding. He told me that me telling him he couldn't breed (or shouldn't) was the same as him telling me I couldn't wear lipstick. :confused: :wall:
I so want to go up and take those pups but what for? He would turn around and breed her again. He knows the way I feel about this issue. It's like a slap in the face.
We've spoken at length to every place we can think of to speak to. We have been told time and again the only way to get him out is if we want to move a family member in or plan on tearing the place down. Anyone have a few extra hundred thou so we can build our dream home? :rolleyes:

Dog Dancer
March 29th, 2011, 12:59 PM
If you have the right to inspect with 24 hrs notice, it's not likely he could fix everything up in that time. Check the landlord tenants or rental agreement records and see if it doesn't say what conditions he has to meet. I'm certain that certain levels of cleanliness are required at the least and he may not meet those if he's got puppies running all over. I know I was going to use that as a method to get rid of one of my tenants - I took pictures when I went in one day. It was filthy. We did manage to get him to move out when my son came and stayed with us for a few months. I told him he was going to move into the basement suite and he didn't argue with me fortunately. Good luck my friend, I feel for you. :grouphug:

Winston
March 29th, 2011, 02:55 PM
Perhaps I dont know enough about the landlord tenant act so forgive me if I am wrong but if you are month to month then the same rule should apply to you correct? can you not give him adequate notice to vacate the premises? Seems like this is one sided?

I know if it was me and I knew this was going on I would do whatever is necessary to get him off your property. I am not saying to do anything illegal but for god sakes there has to be some law protecting the owner of the property.

Some would say your shooting yourself in the foot trying to get rid of someone you are earning an income off of but for that type of tenant no amount of money would make me feel good about it.

It would make me feel like I am contributing to his nasty business??

Winston
March 29th, 2011, 03:14 PM
14+ I just checked out a standard tenancy agreement in Ontario and it says that you as the landlord are only obligated to give him 1 months notice to vacate. :thumbs up

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Perhaps I dont know enough about the landlord tenant act so forgive me if I am wrong but if you are month to month then the same rule should apply to you correct? can you not give him adequate notice to vacate the premises? Seems like this is one sided?

I know if it was me and I knew this was going on I would do whatever is necessary to get him off your property. I am not saying to do anything illegal but for god sakes there has to be some law protecting the owner of the property.

Some would say your shooting yourself in the foot trying to get rid of someone you are earning an income off of but for that type of tenant no amount of money would make me feel good about it.

It would make me feel like I am contributing to his nasty business??

Winston - Earlier on in this thread I did mention we have spoken to the landlord and tenant board on a few occasions. They have told us the only ways to evict are the ones I have stated. We have to have one of our children move in or we have to demo/reno the house. My stepson does not want to move into a place where he knows dogs/cats have been living, defecating, etc for a while now. These puppies are never outside until they are at least 6 weeks or more. That is the first time we see them. :shrug: The stepson is also only working part time so would not be able to afford heat, hydro, etc. The rent is so negligible that it doesn't exactly make much difference to us here or there except to increase our taxes and make us pay more.
The other part - demo/reno - takes money. If you evict because you are doing either you have to show proof to the LTB that you are indeed planning on doing so. If not you face a hefty fine. I'm not in a position to do that either. I can't control his actions and the law states there is nothing I can do.
It has long been known that the LTA favours the tenant more than the landlord. That is why it was originally enacted.

shirley1011
March 29th, 2011, 03:33 PM
To what extent do the reno's have to be....?? My guess is just making the place ready for a new tenant would constitute a reno.....lots of us here that can give you receipts for work....heck we will all come and give you a hand.

I guess it would only be a problem if he were to report you...and if you have proof of renos...??????

Winston
March 29th, 2011, 03:41 PM
14+ I copied some of the landlord tenant act for you that pertains to Ontario and I can see where you would have ample opportunity to ask him to leave in several of these categories...illegal business, too overchrowded, damage, late rent etc...


Concern Forms and Instructions Other Information
My tenant has not paid the rent they owe
Notice form:
Form N4 – Notice to End a Tenancy Early for Non-payment of Rent

N4 Instructions



Application forms:
Form L1 - Application to end a tenancy for non-payment of rent and to collect rent the tenant owes
Filing fee: $170.00

L1 Instructions

- or -

Form L9 – Application to collect rent the tenant owes
Filing fee: $170.00

L9 Instructions
Brochures:
If a tenant doesn’t pay rent


How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications

Guideline 11: Eviction for Failure to Pay Rent


FAQ:
How a landlord Can Evict a Tenant





My tenant has persistently paid the rent late
Notice forms:
Form N8 – Notice to Terminate a Tenancy at the End of a Term

N8 Instructions

Application form:
Form L2 - Application to Terminate a Tenancy and Evict a Tenant
Filing fee: $170.00

L2 Instructions
Brochures:
How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications



FAQ:
How a Landlord Can Evict a Tenant

My tenant, their guest or another occupant of the rental unit has:



•wilfully or negligently damaged the rental unit or the complex(1)

•substantially interfered with the reasonable enjoyment of the landlord(2) or another tenant

•substantially interfered with another lawful right, privilege or interest of the landlord(2) or another tenant

•too many people living in the rental unit (overcrowding)
(1) Form N5 is for “wilful or negligent damage”; Form N7 is for “wilful damage”

(2) Form N7 may be appropriate if the landlord lives in the same building as the tenant and the building has 3 or fewer residential units
Notice form:
Form N5 – Notice to Terminate a Tenancy Early

N5 Instructions

Form N7 – 10-Day Notice to Terminate a Tenancy Early

N7 Instructions

Application form:
Form L2 – Application to Terminate a Tenancy and Evict a Tenant
Filing fee: $170.00

L2 Instructions
Brochures:
How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications



FAQ:
How a Landlord Can Evict a Tenant

My tenant, their guest or another occupant of the rental unit has:

•seriously impaired the safety of another person, in the complex
•wilfully damaged the rental unit or complex
•used the unit or complex in a manner that is inconsistent with its use as residential premises and that has caused or may cause serious damage
Notice form:
Form N7 - 10-Day Notice to Terminate a Tenancy Early

N7 Instructions

Application form:
Form L2 – Application to Terminate a Tenancy and Evict a Tenant
Filing fee: $170.00

L2 Instructions
Brochures:
How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications



FAQ:
How a Landlord Can Evict a Tenant

My tenant or another occupant of the rental unit has:

•committed an illegal act involving an illegal drug
•committed an illegal act or carried on an illegal business that does not involve illegal drugs
Notice form:
Form N6 – Notice to Terminate a Tenancy Early – Illegal Act or Misrepresentation of Income

N6 Instructions

Application form:
Form L2 – Application to Terminate a Tenancy and Evict a Tenant
Filing fee: $170.00

L2 Instructions

Brochures:
How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 9: Eviction for an Illegal Act or Business

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications

One of the following people wants to move into the rental unit:

•myself or my spouse,
•my child or parent,
•my spouse’s child or parent,
•a person who provides or will provide care services for any of those people
I have entered into an agreement of purchase and sale for the rental unit and one of the following people wants to move into the rental unit:

•the purchaser or their spouse,
•the purchaser’s child or parent,
•the purchaser’s spouse’s child or parent,
•a person who provides or will provide care services for any of those people
Notice form:
Form N12 – Notice to Terminate the Tenancy at the End of the Term for Landlord’s or Purchaser’s Own Use

N12 Instructions

Application form:
Form L2 – Application to Terminate a Tenancy and Evict a Tenant
Filing fee: $170.00

L2 Instructions

Brochures:
How a Landlord can End a Tenancy

The Residential Tenancies Act Offences



Rules of Practice:
Rule 8: Application Screening



Interpretation Guidelines:
Guideline 7: Relief from Eviction: Refusing or Delaying an Eviction

Guideline 10: Procedural Issues Regarding Eviction Applications

Guideline 12: Eviction for Personal Use

Sorry its long??



FAQ:
How a Landlord Can Evict a Tenant

I intend to:

•convert the rental unit to a non-residential use
•demolish the unit
•do extensive repairs or renovations that require a building permit and vacant possession of the unit
Notice form:
Form N13 – Notice to Terminate the Tenancy at the End of the Term for Conversion, Demolition or Repairs

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Winston - I thank you for taking the time to do that. I actually have that page open pretty much all the time. However, what it says on that site and what we have been told - don't jibe. Truthfully, if it was that easy he would have been gone yesterday. When my hubby last spoke to them about a month ago he asked about all of those points. They were all shot down. There has to be so much proof before they agree to even do a hearing it's disheartening. But we will keep on trying.
The only one we haven't pursued as of yet is the damage. That is only because we haven't had a chance to get in to see it yet. Hopefully very soon.
Thanks again. :thumbs up

shirley1011
March 29th, 2011, 03:48 PM
•do extensive repairs or renovations that require a building permit and vacant possession of the unit


so I guess that let's out my idea!


Looks like a typical government document Winston...

shirley1011
March 29th, 2011, 03:49 PM
14+ I know you are entitled to inspect the property with written notice.

We had to do that one time...but tenants were co-operative...not sure what happens if they refuse.

shirley1011
March 29th, 2011, 03:51 PM
What about the by-laws from animal Control....do they make you have a kennel license to breed and sell the pups? They do in Oshawa.

Winston
March 29th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Pretty much Shirley...however my family dealt with them (a number of years ago ) and they were pretty good to deal with. I guess things are not the same anymore. I was thinking you would have him on the over crowding, damage and the illegal business?? hmmm...well the only other thing I would wonder is where he draws his income from and wether or not they know he makes alot of money off puppies or not? if he is on SA or ODSP then they most certainly would want to know that.

Good luck it cant be easy trying to figure out what to do..:thumbs up

14+kitties
March 29th, 2011, 03:53 PM
14+ I know you are entitled to inspect the property with written notice.

We had to do that one time...but tenants were co-operative...not sure what happens if they refuse.

They can't refuse Shirley. We're just waiting for hubby to have a day off so he can go in. The tenant gets 24 hours written notice.
The damage to the house is more in the form of urine, feces, etc so the floorboards would be wrecked and need torn out, walls would be sprayed (I imagine), that type of thing.
Gotta go get dinner on and run to the store. Keep the ideas coming. Somewhere there has to be something.
If it was as simple as evicting because he bred his dog - it isn't.:wall:

Winston
March 30th, 2011, 02:49 PM
14+ I am surprisaed they were shot down because if challenged I think you or anyone else in this predicament would win...Basically it sounds like once you rent your home or property out to someone you can never have it back? What if you and DH wanted to use that house for some other reason?

If its as you said no one would ever be able to get their rental properties back from anyone rented out to?

I say give him his legal required notice and have him leave. Its not an eviction its just legal notice? Like I said you could come up with a 101 reasons for him to leave.....

After all you being the landlord and him being a tenant that you know is breeding it puts you in a spot of feeling like your allowing it to happen continually and what makes is worse is he is paying rent for it...not a good spot to be in but if it were me I would just give him his legal notice and if you want to be really nice tell him youll give him a certain number of months notice because you want him to have adequate time to find a place for him and all his pets! :D

Dee-O-Gee
March 30th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Quick question....

Have you thought about selling the land/cottage? :shrug:

New people buy it and poof! He could be outta of there. It'll probably not change his idiotic mind about breeding and he'll more then likely carry it off to another place. :mad:

However; if his stupidity and wreckless behaviour is wearing down on you, we want to make sure you remain healthy and you're gonna stick around for more 14+ kitties not to mention here for a long time! :grouphug: :angel:

14+kitties
March 30th, 2011, 10:36 PM
14+ I am surprisaed they were shot down because if challenged I think you or anyone else in this predicament would win...Basically it sounds like once you rent your home or property out to someone you can never have it back? What if you and DH wanted to use that house for some other reason?

If its as you said no one would ever be able to get their rental properties back from anyone rented out to?

I say give him his legal required notice and have him leave. Its not an eviction its just legal notice? Like I said you could come up with a 101 reasons for him to leave.....

After all you being the landlord and him being a tenant that you know is breeding it puts you in a spot of feeling like your allowing it to happen continually and what makes is worse is he is paying rent for it...not a good spot to be in but if it were me I would just give him his legal notice and if you want to be really nice tell him youll give him a certain number of months notice because you want him to have adequate time to find a place for him and all his pets! :D

Well, I don't feel like I am aiding and abetting him in his breeding "business" because I can not control what another human does. They are the ones who have to look at themselves in the mirror. There are a lot out there that have no issues with that.

Now - as far as getting him out - I don't know if you have been through the process of trying to remove someone from a property. I have. It's no fun.
First - beg them to pay rent because you have a mortgage payment to make and need that rent money. Silence. Second - ask them nicely if they are planning on paying their rent this month and oh, let's include last months too please. Listen to them plead for some understanding because "hubby didn't have any work last month but he's got a good job lined up. They should be able to get caught up soon." Third month - no money. So you contact LTB. They tell you to go to some place out of town and pick up forms, fill them out, and pay x number of dollars to start the eviction proceedings. Still no money even after they have been served papers stating that they have a hearing coming up with the LTB rep and the landlord. Wait for the hearing - normally about a two months wait. Nothing you can do about getting them out while this is going on btw. Eventually you get your meeting, they don't show. So now they have 30 days to vacate. You phone. Their phone's been disconnected. Of course. You phone the mans' mother because she is listed as being their "backup" if I need to reach them. She avoids my calls. Next - go up to the house, knock on the door and have a sight meet you I hope no one ever has to see. My home that I had spent hours on cleaning, painting, decorating - wrecked. At this point they have been served their papers and know they have to be out. They promise some money before they go. Oh yeah. Uh huh. The next time you go to check - everything is as you saw it last time except - they've skipped. So....... a total of approx 5 months to get deadbeats out, thousands spent to repair the place so it can be sold, etc.
All of this and it's with the LTB's "blessing". Yeah, thanks for the help. :thumbs up
See how easy it is to do things the legal way? Nah - not so much. Not saying I am about to try to do it the illegal way. Oh, and among all of that - I am the one who gets the million questions asked during this meeting where my tenants didn't show up. Me. Did nothing wrong except try to collect monies owing me. Monies I will never see. But I was made to feel I was the guilty party.
Our government is a wonderful one. The L&TAct was put together to favour the tenant all the way. :thumbs up Love it!

14+kitties
March 30th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Quick question....

Have you thought about selling the land/cottage? :shrug:

New people buy it and poof! He could be outta of there. It'll probably not change his idiotic mind about breeding and he'll more then likely carry it off to another place. :mad:

However; if his stupidity and wreckless behaviour is wearing down on you, we want to make sure you remain healthy and you're gonna stick around for more 14+ kitties not to mention here for a long time! :grouphug: :angel:

Ummm, no. I had said back in post 4 - "It can't go up for sale. It's part and parcel of our land." It can not be subdivided because of the wonderful Greenbelt act. Another gov't thing meant to "protect" agricultural land from future development. :laughing: What it did was effectively tie anybody's hands who own a parcel of land from ever making any money off their property. If we sold it would be the whole property. I can't see doing that any time in the near future. It is my stepsons' inheritance.

erykah1310
March 30th, 2011, 11:08 PM
Our property was severed off of a full farm that the owner of both farms wanted to keep so much of his working fields. The minimum allowed was so much frontage and acerage.
However,
Selling your place and some land if you could get it severed off ( there is a minimum that needs to be met) will not stop someone else moving in and setting up a mill or something.
Have you contacted CRA yet?

14+kitties
March 31st, 2011, 07:23 AM
Our property was severed off of a full farm that the owner of both farms wanted to keep so much of his working fields. The minimum allowed was so much frontage and acerage.
However,

Again - Greenbelt - That wonderful Act made in nigh impossible to sever land. It was tried next door 3 years ago when they had their property up for sale. They wanted to keep a parcel of it at the front (3 acres) to build on. It was not allowed.:shrug:

Winston
March 31st, 2011, 08:12 AM
Well, I don't feel like I am aiding and abetting him in his breeding "business" because I can not control what another human does. They are the ones who have to look at themselves in the mirror. There are a lot out there that have no issues with that.

Now - as far as getting him out - I don't know if you have been through the process of trying to remove someone from a property. I have. It's no fun.
First - beg them to pay rent because you have a mortgage payment to make and need that rent money. Silence. Second - ask them nicely if they are planning on paying their rent this month and oh, let's include last months too please. Listen to them plead for some understanding because "hubby didn't have any work last month but he's got a good job lined up. They should be able to get caught up soon." Third month - no money. So you contact LTB. They tell you to go to some place out of town and pick up forms, fill them out, and pay x number of dollars to start the eviction proceedings. Still no money even after they have been served papers stating that they have a hearing coming up with the LTB rep and the landlord. Wait for the hearing - normally about a two months wait. Nothing you can do about getting them out while this is going on btw. Eventually you get your meeting, they don't show. So now they have 30 days to vacate. You phone. Their phone's been disconnected. Of course. You phone the mans' mother because she is listed as being their "backup" if I need to reach them. She avoids my calls. Next - go up to the house, knock on the door and have a sight meet you I hope no one ever has to see. My home that I had spent hours on cleaning, painting, decorating - wrecked. At this point they have been served their papers and know they have to be out. They promise some money before they go. Oh yeah. Uh huh. The next time you go to check - everything is as you saw it last time except - they've skipped. So....... a total of approx 5 months to get deadbeats out, thousands spent to repair the place so it can be sold, etc.
All of this and it's with the LTB's "blessing". Yeah, thanks for the help. :thumbs up
See how easy it is to do things the legal way? Nah - not so much. Not saying I am about to try to do it the illegal way. Oh, and among all of that - I am the one who gets the million questions asked during this meeting where my tenants didn't show up. Me. Did nothing wrong except try to collect monies owing me. Monies I will never see. But I was made to feel I was the guilty party.
Our government is a wonderful one. The L&TAct was put together to favour the tenant all the way. :thumbs up Love it!



14+ is this currently where your at? I dont think I understood that from the origional post?? We used to deal with them for years when my parents were superintendants for a Toronto firm. They had no problem getting people to move.

Okay so if you dont evict him can you just give him "legal" notice? Something isnt right with this??

Yes your right there is alot of red tape to go through with the "government" but there are some other governments I wouldnt want to have here in Canada!! :D

Well I probably have said enough but good luck! :thumbs up

14+kitties
March 31st, 2011, 08:43 AM
Just to be clear - I have asked this thread to be closed. Thank you all who gave great answers!!
:thumbs up

marko
March 31st, 2011, 08:53 AM
Closed at Op's request.
Thx
Marko