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Irish Wolfhound Pup - Please I need advise.

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 09:24 AM
After growing up in Beddgelert and after waiting 15 years I finally now owe a Irish Wolfhound.

His name is Gelert-Laika II and he is just the most precious thing in the world to me. I absolutely love this dog, the breeder allowed me to be around threw the whole process. I have a ultra scan of the puppies, visited them on the third day they were born, and then visited him every week until the day I brought him home. Before he even came home I was bonded with him.

I am aware of all the health issues, and I put them out of my mind, but right now I am fearing the worst.

He is 8 months old, 110lb. His ankles click, I am sure its his ankles and not hips but I'm not 100%. ALL the time. He stands up "click" he gets up onto his sofa "click" sometimes he walks "click". I am so worried this is skeletal problems of HD.

If anyone here knows about this breed, or if there are any vets, specialists on the wolfhound or in giant breed dogs...PLEASE....PLEASE get back to me. I can't see my vet until Saturday and it kills me to hear his joiunts clicking like this. I can only see "my" vet as she is the only one Gelert will allow to examine him

:cry:

chico2
March 2nd, 2011, 09:35 AM
While we are waiting for someone to hopefully be able to advice you,I just wanted to welcome you to our Forum.

Irish Wolfhounds are amazing and I sincerely hope there is no serious problem:pray:
If you feel up to it,a picture would be great:dog:

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 09:45 AM
I love posting photos :D

I have hundred haha I picked some of my favs

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 09:47 AM
3 more, The one with the adult, is his mum and sister

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 09:50 AM
And these are my TWO favs...ever...

Marty11
March 2nd, 2011, 09:51 AM
Have you spoke to the breeder? What a stunning pooch!:cloud9:

Melinda
March 2nd, 2011, 09:56 AM
is he being fed any joint supplements? The breeder should definately have some answers on what it could be? Does he seem to be in pain when you hear the "clicking"? do you know if the parents were tested for luxated patellas ?

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 10:02 AM
Hi everyone,

I can't get ahold of the breeder, she must be out of town. Gelert mum is a lure racer, so she travels a lot. She was actually the Canadian lure racing champ last year in the Wolfhound Section/class. I was so proud of her :)

Anyhow, sorry got sidetracked. He doesn't seem to be in any discomfort, honestly he doesn't seem to even notice. I don't have him on any joint supplement as he is on Eaglepack, and the vet advised that it has all the supplements and nutrient in it which he will need.

I live in northern Alberta and the last two weeks its got brutal again outside. the average being around -30c. You think it could be the cold? I know that may sound silly but could it be a possibility?

Thanks everyone, I appreciate any and all replies.

Melinda
March 2nd, 2011, 10:08 AM
I honestly can't see it being the cold, but many years ago I had a chi who at about 6 months started the "clicking", I'm not sure if it was the ankles or hips, anyways, the vet gave her a patella test, xrays the works and found nothing, he told me it was possible that it could be the "socket" of the joint was growing faster than the "ball" part and she would outgrow it, well, he was right, after about two months (which in the mean time he advised me to put her on adult food to slow down her growing) the noise stopped and she lived to a ripe age of 12 without any problems with her joints. but please get him checked, by the way, he's just gorgeous!!! what is the other dog in the background of the one pic, the one behind the couch??

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 10:14 AM
Thank you so much for your advice and sharing your story. my mind has been put to rest for now.

Ahh thats his big brother Azreal. Azreal is a Lurcher, in the UK where I am from Lurchers have been classified as a "breed"

Azreals dad was a Irish Wolfhound and was actually used as a hunting dog, Azreals mother was a greyhound and was used for keeping goofers of the farmers land.

Here is a couple of him and Azreal. And the with Gelert sitting I just took for you guys so you can see him "today" as all the others are old.

Melinda
March 2nd, 2011, 10:31 AM
they are just gorgeous, so a "lurcher" is a breed? wow, I'd love to own one like him, he's beautiful, I hope you don't vanish on us, I'd really like to know the outcome of your pup. Good luck!!

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 10:41 AM
I wont vanish :)

Here is all you will need to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurcher



But basically the story of the Lurcher. Back in the days of England when around the time of Henry VI (i think) Hunting dogs (pedigrees) were only allowed to be kept by royalty. so the peasants created there own breed of dog in which to hunt with, which wouldn't result in them being imprisoned. Part of the name was taken from a word meaning "thief" as they would use the lurchers(thiefs) to poach on the kings/queens land.

they came up with the idea that it had to be fast. So the mother would always have to be either

A- Whippet
B- Greyhound

However, they also have to have the hunt/kill instinct. so the dad would generally be a terrier or another hound(bloodhound, deer hound etc)

Aout 15 years ago due to there popularity both with hunters, farmers and the fact they are FANTASTIC with children they became a recognized breed, but in order to call a dog a lurcher you must stick to the guidelines. although they have been stretched. For Example, the mother doesn't have to be pedigree she can be 1/2 greyhound 1/2 whatever, and so can the farther.

I love Azzy, and lurchers. in the UK I used to house 6. I will never be without a trusty Lurcher, and now experience the love of a Wolfhound will never be without one either.

I useed to course my Lurchers for Rabbits in the UK, not for sport, for food. But have no desire to do that anymore.

Melinda
March 2nd, 2011, 10:45 AM
thanks for the history lesson!!! now thats something I am truly going to read/research! especially as they are good with children and I run a city daycare. much obliged!

Gelert-LaikaII
March 2nd, 2011, 10:53 AM
Lurchers ADORE children!!

Growing up me and my sister, we had three. My mum and dad would leave us with the dogs, only for an hour max. It sounds silly but those dogs loved us to death, they would never let anyone near us who they didn't like. When we had 6 it was like having my own bodyguards.

i have two children, and Azreal even though both his parents were hunting dogs, is gentle like a mouse with both kids. In fact, when gelert gets carried away with them he tells Gelert off because he is bigger than them. Me and my wife call Azreal the third parent.

I promise to anyone, once you have owned a Lurcher you will never regret it.

My three fav pictures of Azreal

chico2
March 2nd, 2011, 04:46 PM
Thank you for all the pic's :thumbs upyour Lurcher Azreal, is gorgeous as is Gelert is to die for :cry:
Please stick around,we are all suckers for pics,maybe you could post some in the Pet Picture thread.
It was interesting reading about Lurchers totally new to most of us,I am sure.
Hopefully the clicking joints is just something he'll grow out of:pray:

rainbow
March 2nd, 2011, 07:18 PM
WOW, what beautiful stunning dogs :lovestruck: ......Azreal and Gelert are both gorgeous. :flirt:

I think the clicking sound would be coming from Gelert's knees. It could be a luxating patella or else he has torn the meniscus in his knee. My yellow lab did that and although he did not seem to feel any pain, it sure hurt me to listen to the clicking. :o

You should have both your dogs on Glucosamine/Chondroitin supplements. The amounts that are included in dog kibble is not nearly enough to help and a lot of it is destroyed when the kibble is processed. And, please don't let your vet talk you into using the Medi-Cal or Hills Science Diet prescription food for joints ......it is much better to add human supplements yourself. :thumbs up

Longblades
March 2nd, 2011, 07:35 PM
Love your pup. I used to ride past a place with Irish Wolfhounds years ago. Some were as big as the ponies of the smaller kids with us, or they seemed to be.

So, lurchers are a breed now? My first introduction to lurchers was that they were a cross between a border collie and a greyhound. I believe at one time there was dispute over whether it had to be BC x GH or a breed other than BC was OK? Not sure but they sure can vary in appearance. Hard to write a standard.

My Lab boy clicked from the day we got him at 8 weeks. Clicky shoulders and other places. When a limp developed at 10 through 12 months on Vet's direction I began to supplement with Glucosamine/Chondrotin/ MSM. 500/400/400 twice a day. We never figured out for sure what the limp was, it just went away. So did most of the clicking by the time he was one year old. I continue to supplement as my understanding is that the Glu/Chon/MSM is better as a preventative of joint problems than it is as a cure. I might now hear a click somewhere once in a blue moon. No way to tell for sure but my guess, seconded by my VEt, is the clicking was a growth and maturity thing.

Goldfields
March 2nd, 2011, 08:58 PM
You have a lovely pair of dogs. I just tried to phone a friend who has bred and showed Irish Wolfhounds for many years to see what she thought about the clicking but she is away today so I only got to speak to a guest of hers who is the owner of her first ever IW, so she wasn't much help. (A lady from England, we had a terrific chat about dogs, cats, horses - you name it, but I digress.) She thought it might be hips but said to ring back tonight to see what our mutual friend thinks.
It's a different breed I know but our red Australian Cattle Dog, Candy, came up with an alarming click like that when she moved as a youngster too, and like Melinda's dog she did outgrow it, so fingers crossed now for your big boy. I love the photo of him at the foot of the stairs. How dare a puppy that age look so noble. :) The one of him trying to lick Azreal's nose is great too, and Azreal is the epitome of a sighthound in that last photo, does make me wonder what he was focussed on.

dashn'us
March 2nd, 2011, 10:32 PM
Wow what beautiful dogs, I am in love :) Keep us updated as we wish for a long and healthy life for the little guy!

Goldfields
March 3rd, 2011, 08:06 AM
Okay, I have spoken to my friend now and the good news is that she said HD is not a problem IW's suffer from, at least not in this country. She's bred them for quite a long time and has never seen one with it. So, do speak to Gelert's breeder first and let her tell you whether he should see a vet, and I think you can rest easy till she gets back.

I miss seeing my friend's dogs. She has a new man in her life, a Kiwi(New Zealander), and spoke of going over there, I think for some big show, but that he'd need to stay home and mind the Hounds. Offered me a holiday , with pay, if I'd mind them for her, so I'm feeling honoured, I know how careful she'd expect a carer to be, nice to know she'd trust me BUT she is now way down the other end of the State, so it isn't likely to happen. (sigh) I've an old dog I can't leave, he refuses to eat if I'm not here. Too far to take him too.

hazelrunpack
March 3rd, 2011, 12:30 PM
When Ember and Cole were growing up we often heard clicks from their joints. Eight years (omd, where has the time gone :eek:) later, they're doing fine. I think sometimes it's just a phase in their development. Definitely have him checked out, but don't worry too much in the meantime. :goodvibes:

Gelert-Laika II is gorgeous!! As is Azreal! :flirt: Is Azreal yours, too? If so, I hope you have a big bed!!! :laughing: Lovely big dogs!!! :lovestruck:

dbg10
March 3rd, 2011, 04:35 PM
Welcome Gelert-LaikaII and your two absolutely beautiful pups. :) This has been an education for me reading about lurchers, thanks. :thumbs up

I hope your pup turns out to have no major orthopedic problem. Given the size of an IW I would expect the clicking to be growth related but I'm not a vet. Please let us know how his exam goes, I also hope you stick around the forum as many don't. :highfive: