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Animals don't stop at the steak on your plate...

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 05:44 PM
I came across this very extensive list of all the products we use on a regular basis that come from the slaughter of animals (it may not always mean the animal had to die to produce this product - i.e. milk from a dairy cow, but it usually means a life where the animal's welfare is poorly considered - if at all, and they are slaughtered once they are no longer 'productive').

I am not posting this to initiate a heated argument. I am employed in the animal agriculture industry and spent four years learning about the many, many by-products we use everyday that come from the slaughter of animals - there are many items on this list I didn't even know! :o

I am sharing this to provide some information - that's all. I think often many people (myself included) do not realize that so much of our reliance on animals (call it right or wrong) does not stop at the steak on our plate. Our society has become very dependent on the slaughter of animals for billions of things beyond meat. This list also includes many by-products we use that do not come from livestock.

Some of us who are trying to limit our dependance on animals, may find the alternatives posted helpful.

Food for thought (no pun intended). http://www.happycow.net/health-animal-ingredients.html

Some that surprised me:

Allantoin.
Uric acid from cows, most mammals. Also in many plants (especially comfrey). In cosmetics (especially creams and lotions) and used in treatment of wounds and ulcers. Derivatives: Alcloxa, Aldioxa. Alternatives: extract of comfrey root, synthetics.

Alpha-Hydroxy Acids.
Any one of several acids used as an exfoliant and in anti-wrinkle products.

Benzoic Acid.
In almost all vertebrates and in berries. Used as a preservative in mouthwashes, deodorants, creams, aftershave lotions, etc.

Boar Bristles.
Hair from wild or captive hogs. In "natural" toothbrushes and bath and shaving brushes

Insulin.
From hog pancreas. Used by millions of diabetics daily. Alternatives: synthetics, vegetarian diet and nutritional supplements, human insulin grown in a lab. - I knew insulin came from pigs, but had no idea human insulin could be grown in a lab!


Lanolin. Lanolin Acids. Wool Fat. Wool Wax.
A product of the oil glands of sheep, extracted from their wool. Used as an emollient in many skin care products and cosmetics and in medicines. Also found in chewing gum and products with vitamin D3.

Methionine.
Essential amino acid found in various proteins (usually from egg albumen and casein). Used as a texturizer and for freshness in potato chips.

erykah1310
February 6th, 2011, 05:55 PM
Thanks for posting this, very interesting.
I wonder if most vegans are aware of some of these things?

BenMax
February 6th, 2011, 06:56 PM
Very interesting read. Not surprised however.

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 06:58 PM
Thanks for posting this, very interesting.
I wonder if most vegans are aware of some of these things?

erykah, my guess would be that most people, vegan or not, understandably don't associate the mouthwash/toothpaste/face cream etc. they use on a daily basis with dead animals. :shrug: Unless I was educated and worked in this industry, I also would not have any idea.

Even some of my favorite books on the industry, including Eating Animals - by Jonathan Safran Foer, do not touch on this topic - how we deal with the sheer quantity of by-products we consume/use that come from the slaughter of animals. My guess is because it is a huge moral dilemma and is a very complicated issue, with no easy solution (i.e. do you not eat meat for supper, but deny your child antibiotics when they are very ill because they come from animal by-products?). It's very hard not to support this industry is some way or another. I do think for the health and well-being of the environment, the animals, and ourselves it is certainly a smart idea at the very least to consume less of it, it just boggles my brain how many by-products we use that come from the slaughter of animals. Even if all consumption of animals stopped on the planet, we would continue to slaughter billions of animals for the use of these by-products.

I'm happy to see that many alternatives are becoming available. Unfortunately, right now, many are so expensive most people can't/won't buy them. Maybe that will change once demand for them grows?

clm
February 6th, 2011, 07:31 PM
As long as people consume meat (and the only vegans and vegetarians I know are on this site. I'm not one and and I don't know any personally), there will always be these by products. Unless the alternatives become incrediby cheap, there will be no need for companies to change their ingredients. It's an incredibly expensive exercise to change a formula for any product, from the development, regulatory and packaging changes. I don't see it happening myself.

clm

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 07:38 PM
As long as people consume meat (and the only vegans and vegetarians I know are on this site. I'm not one and and I don't know any personally), there will always be these by products. Unless the alternatives become incrediby cheap, there will be no need for companies to change their ingredients. It's an incredibly expensive exercise to change a formula for any product, from the development, regulatory and packaging changes. I don't see it happening myself.

clm

I def see your point clm. I don't think there is a huge demand for them right now either simply because most of us don't read the ingredients on these products and understand the chemical names used to even begin to understand that they come from animals.

14+kitties
February 6th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Very interesting Cassie. Thanks. One of the girls I work with is a vegetarian. I wonder if she knows about this.

rainbow
February 6th, 2011, 08:06 PM
I agree with clm this isn't about to change since most people eat meat. I do not agree with the way meat animals are kept or how they are slaughtered but guess we may as well use all the parts once they are.

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 08:13 PM
But even if we stopped eating meat, would we still not end up slaughtering animals for these byproducts? It would be many many less but still. Either that or we would have to come up with alternatives in a hurry.

Etown_Chick
February 6th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Don't forget birth control pills - hormones come from the urine of mares.

exkalibur
February 6th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Don't forget birth control pills - hormones come from the urine of mares.
And I'm glad those farms are pretty well extinct in Alberta..

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 08:54 PM
Don't forget birth control pills - hormones come from the urine of mares.

Yes that was on the list under estradiol I believe, along with many menopause drugs.

And I'm glad those farms are pretty well extinct in Alberta..

Are they? Still many women here and elsewhere in the world use the pill and think nothing of it. It's also sad the effect they have documented urine from women who use the pill has had on many marine animals when it ends up in the rivers, lakes, etc.

sugarcatmom
February 6th, 2011, 09:08 PM
Most vegans, the ones that take their lifestyle choice seriously, are very much aware of all the hidden animal by-products in use around us. They don't tend to shop for cosmetics and groceries at places like Walmart or Costco (etc) and instead look for vegan products at health food stores. Yes, you can get vegan shampoo and deodorant and toothpaste.

Other items that use animal products which may surprise you:


matches (the match head consists of various chemicals bound together by bone glue)

crayons (fatty acids derived from pork bone fat are used as a hardening agent)

Heparin (an anticoagulant medication - sourced from the mucus of pig intestines)

beer, wine and juice (gelatine is often used as a clarifying agent, absorbing cloudy particles that can then be separated from the drink)

inkjet paper (contains a layer of gelatine to prevent the ink from bleeding)

cigarette filters (hemoglobin from pig blood is used like an artificial lung to absorb harmful chemicals)

floor wax (uses glycerine - an alcohol derived from the hydrolysis of pork fat)

refined sugar (bone char is used as a whitening agent)


One thing to remember is that trying to limit your animal product intake doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing endeavour. Sometimes you just have to do the best you can.

cassiek
February 6th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Thanks for the info scm, very informative. I agree that it would be pretty dang tough to eliminate all animal products from our lifestyle, but it's good to be aware just how much they are around us and how we rely on them.

Thanks for everyones input!

Etown_Chick
February 6th, 2011, 11:37 PM
exkalibur,
when the company that makes premarin cancelled their Canadian contracts, thousands of mares were sent to slaughterhouses. Poor horsies can't win.

exkalibur
February 6th, 2011, 11:39 PM
exkalibur,
when the company that makes premarin cancelled their Canadian contracts, thousands of mares were sent to slaughterhouses. Poor horsies can't win.

I know...we took one as a rescue years ago....The best mare for kids we ever had.

Luvmypitgirls
February 7th, 2011, 04:46 PM
One thing to remember is that trying to limit your animal product intake doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing endeavour. Sometimes you just have to do the best you can.

Thank you for saying that, because I myself am considering some changes in what I eat. I have considered becoming vegan, but for now, I think I will take a slight lean on the lifestyle. I am not sure if I am prepared to take meat completely out of my diet, however I am seriously considering taking red meat out of my diet. I want to discuss it with my Dr. first, and find out what supplements I would have to take if any, if I were to do so.
And before someone takes me to task over red meat vs. white and whatever, no I do not believe chickens and pigs and fish suffer any less than cows.
However, being that I am a carnivore, at this moment I am not ready to remove all meat from my diet, but I may work towards that at some point.
I would like to be able to find true free range organic meats, but given how easy it is to slap a label on something calling it free range and organic, even when it's not, I don't know what to trust. And yes I know free range and organic meats are still slaughtered the same way.
I have become more aware and conscious lately of what products derive ingredients from animals, pretty much everything...it's sad.
I am looking for products free from animal based ingriedients, like cosmetics for instance. I have always tried using not tested on animals products, but if their ingredients are derived from animals, I think it's equally as bad.
Cassie, thanks for lending me the books, Eating Animals, has been a very interesting albeit disturbing read.

clm
February 7th, 2011, 05:51 PM
Personally, I would trust products with ingredients derived from animals more than synthetic ingredients.

clm

cassiek
February 7th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Thank you for saying that, because I myself am considering some changes in what I eat. I have considered becoming vegan, but for now, I think I will take a slight lean on the lifestyle. I am not sure if I am prepared to take meat completely out of my diet, however I am seriously considering taking red meat out of my diet. I want to discuss it with my Dr. first, and find out what supplements I would have to take if any, if I were to do so.
And before someone takes me to task over red meat vs. white and whatever, no I do not believe chickens and pigs and fish suffer any less than cows.
However, being that I am a carnivore, at this moment I am not ready to remove all meat from my diet, but I may work towards that at some point.
I would like to be able to find true free range organic meats, but given how easy it is to slap a label on something calling it free range and organic, even when it's not, I don't know what to trust. And yes I know free range and organic meats are still slaughtered the same way.
I have become more aware and conscious lately of what products derive ingredients from animals, pretty much everything...it's sad.
I am looking for products free from animal based ingriedients, like cosmetics for instance. I have always tried using not tested on animals products, but if their ingredients are derived from animals, I think it's equally as bad.
Cassie, thanks for lending me the books, Eating Animals, has been a very interesting albeit disturbing read.

I'm glad you are enjoying (is that the right word even?) the books. :thumbs up

I think it's great what you are going to do. :) I also am going to try to eliminate most of the red meat out of my diet. I generally don't eat alot anyways, so this shouldn't be a hard transition for me, but I think the switch to most white meats is much more healtheir. I think even if the world overall consumed less meat this would have an incredibly positive impact on the environment, ourselves, and the animals.

"Free range" and "organic" are toughies - he dicusseses them in Eating Animals and his opinion on them is basically that they are crap. I tend to agree. I don't really think any of the agencies we have that are supposed to monitor and regulate such things, do their job. Even if they are... the AB Chicken Board calls our broiler(meat) chicken industry here "free-range"... that doesn't mean that they see daylight, or are even given "x" amount of room in the barn, it simply means they are not confined in cages - they are still confined in a building. Well you can guess where I am going with this... shove 70,000 chickens into a 40 X 240 foot barn when they are 42 days old and each weigh almost 3 kgs right before they are slaughtered, and they are packed. They have to wait in line to access feed and water. They may not be running on top of each other's backs, but I wouldn't call this "free range", however that's what they can market it as. I wonder how many people eat it thinking they are eating chicken that was able to spend it's life outside and with tons of room to run. :confused:

I am also becoming more aware of all the products we use that come from the slaughter of animals. I think it's great to consume less meat; I think most people don't even realize how much animal by-products they use on a daily basis, myself included. This list has really opened my eyes.

C - if you ever want those eggs or those turkeys I was talking about let me know :thumbs up they are the only food I generally feel OK eating as I know exactly what the animals eat and what their living conditions are. I still don't know every aspect of their life, but I at least know they have a better life than most others of their own kind.

Luvmypitgirls
February 7th, 2011, 07:16 PM
Personally, I would trust products with ingredients derived from animals more than synthetic ingredients.

clm

I believe there are some items derived from animals that are necessary, however like I said I would like to find cosmetics that contain no animal by products, surely we don't need to wear dead animal parts on our faces, in products like shampoo, conditioners, cosmetics, make up remover, etc etc, we can trust synthetics and lessen our dependancy on animal by products :shrug:

clm
February 7th, 2011, 07:58 PM
I believe there are some items derived from animals that are necessary, however like I said I would like to find cosmetics that contain no animal by products, surely we don't need to wear dead animal parts on our faces, in products like shampoo, conditioners, cosmetics, make up remover, etc etc, we can trust synthetics and lessen our dependancy on animal by products :shrug:

Human skin is an organ as well. It absorbs things that are put on it. No I don't believe synthetics are a good choice for skin products.

clm

sugarcatmom
February 7th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Personally, I would trust products with ingredients derived from animals more than synthetic ingredients.


It doesn't have to be one OR the other. In fact, I would argue that most of the products containing animal parts also tend to have a higher amount of potentially harmful synthetic ingredients. There ain't nothing "natural" about hydrolized pig fat to give a shampoo that pearly sheen.

How about plant-based ingredients? Much more natural and cruelty-free.

I said I would like to find cosmetics that contain no animal by products,

Here are some good brands to look for (mostly found in health food stores - check out Community Natural Foods or Planet Organic next time you're in Calgary):

http://www.gabrielcosmeticsinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&page_id=30

http://www.aubrey-organics.com/custom.aspx?id=16

https://www.zuiiorganic.com/

clm
February 7th, 2011, 10:17 PM
I personally see nothing wrong with using products that use the by products of the animal industry. Just my opinion you understand. I don't see the industry going away, not ever, so if the by products from the industry can be used in other things, then I say why not, that's all.
For those who feel better eliminating meat or poultry from their diets, that's a lifestyle choice some feel morally obligated to persue and eliminating other products from that choice makes sense. To switch to such a lifestyle with the idea that it's healthier is highly debatable though, and you would never get me to believe it to be true.
I think if more effort were spent on finding financially viable ways for beef, pork and poultry farmers to raise animals more humanely and again to find financially viable ways for these same animals to be processed it would make a lot more sense.

clm

Luvmypitgirls
February 8th, 2011, 01:04 PM
Human skin is an organ as well. It absorbs things that are put on it. No I don't believe synthetics are a good choice for skin products.

clm

Yes I understand that skin absorbs things put on it, but lotions and creams made from synthetics or plant based ingredients, that have been proven safe seem likes a decent alternative to me. Then again that is just my opinion on the matter, I'm not suggesting everyone has to think the same or choose the same.

It doesn't have to be one OR the other. In fact, I would argue that most of the products containing animal parts also tend to have a higher amount of potentially harmful synthetic ingredients. There ain't nothing "natural" about hydrolized pig fat to give a shampoo that pearly sheen.

How about plant-based ingredients? Much more natural and cruelty-free.



Here are some good brands to look for (mostly found in health food stores - check out Community Natural Foods or Planet Organic next time you're in Calgary):

http://www.gabrielcosmeticsinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&page_id=30

http://www.aubrey-organics.com/custom.aspx?id=16

https://www.zuiiorganic.com/

Thank you for the links sugarcatmom! I will certainly be visiting Planet Organic next time I'm in Calgary.
I agree 100% that most products that contain animal by products also contain a lot of synthetics, to enhance and preserve the animal by products.

Luvmypitgirls
February 8th, 2011, 01:21 PM
I personally see nothing wrong with using products that use the by products of the animal industry. Just my opinion you understand. I don't see the industry going away, not ever, so if the by products from the industry can be used in other things, then I say why not, that's all.
For those who feel better eliminating meat or poultry from their diets, that's a lifestyle choice some feel morally obligated to persue and eliminating other products from that choice makes sense. To switch to such a lifestyle with the idea that it's healthier is highly debatable though, and you would never get me to believe it to be true.
I think if more effort were spent on finding financially viable ways for beef, pork and poultry farmers to raise animals more humanely and again to find financially viable ways for these same animals to be processed it would make a lot more sense.

clm

As I said , I believe some if not many products derived from animal by products are necessary. I also agree that if we are going to slaughter animals to eat, then we should use as much of the animal as possible in products that can better our lives, I think we owe the animal that we kill to eat that much. However, that being said I do believe there are certain products, that I think we could do without the animal by products in, cosmetics being one of them.
In my opinion when you purchase certain cosmetics you are also supporting the slaughter of whales. Can we not live without whale blubber on our lips and faces? When the whales are gone they are gone, but wow don't we look good!
As for removing red meat from my diet, I don't know if it's a healthy thing to do, I've heard arguements both pro and con, which is why I am going to ask my Dr. If I do decide to remove red meat from my diet, it's a personal choice I'm making for several reasons. I certainly won't be forcing those reasons upon anyone else, and I certainly wouldn't force my family to follow suit.
I agree with you clm, that the industry won't go away, I wouldn't expect it to. I would like to see more humane treatment of the animals that are killed for our desire for a good juicy steak however.
I just want to find more cruelty free products, and products that don't contain animals to enhance my own face. :)
I do understand your arguements tho and I respect them:)

cassiek
February 8th, 2011, 08:37 PM
I think if more effort were spent on finding financially viable ways for beef, pork and poultry farmers to raise animals more humanely and again to find financially viable ways for these same animals to be processed it would make a lot more sense.

clm

I agree 110% with this clm. Working in the animal agriculture industry, I truly believe that it will not feasibly happen in my lifetime that almost 7 billion people will stop eating meat and depending on the slaughter of animals altogether. I just can't see it happening. I see the best alternative as supporting our farmers to grow humane, ethically responsible meat. We can blame the big corporations, factory farms, etc. all we want but the reality is our demand for cheap meat as a consumer has caused this reality we are living in. We need to start demanding more and be willing to pay for it on the supermarket shelf. Just my :2cents: but this is how I see it.

In my opinion when you purchase certain cosmetics you are also supporting the slaughter of whales. Can we not live without whale blubber on our lips and faces? When the whales are gone they are gone, but wow don't we look good!

:thumbs up I can't agree more!

As for removing red meat from my diet, I don't know if it's a healthy thing to do, I've heard arguements both pro and con, which is why I am going to ask my Dr. If I do decide to remove red meat from my diet, it's a personal choice I'm making for several reasons.

I am going to follow suit, mf. :) I think consuming less meat in your diet (whether that is red or white) overall has a positive impact on your health, and many studies support this. The high consumption of meat our society practices now has been linked and well-documented to contribute to many health concerns, including obesity (especially with red). Personally, for me, I enjoy my poultry but am not a big beef fan as it is, so it won't be a big transition for me. :rolleyes:

Thanks to everyone for your input on this issue!

Etown_Chick
February 9th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Excellent debate, lots of think about. No easy answers, I am thinking.