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cheesecake
October 23rd, 2010, 03:03 AM
I just adopted a cat from a shelter 3 hours ago. She's an adult cat but they dont know her exact age. (tentative guess was 2~4?)

Currently the cat has a wet nose with no discharge (but does leave a wet mark when she nuzzles against black polished surface), is this something i should be worried about?

She is showing signs of stress with possibly excessive marking, but
not spaying nor aggressive, just nuzzling her face into everything in
the room including bumping her face against the walls repeatedly :shrug:

I'm using my bathroom (the main one as im living in an apartment) as her "safe room" since its where i want her litter box to be. (ventilation and all)

She's shown a complete disinterest in the toy i got for her and i have a feliway diffuser plugged into the wall. But I just got her 3 hours ago.

And about 30 minutes ago she started scratching at the door (for 5 minutes quite aggressively). It quieted down real quick but when i stepped out of my room, there it was in the living room! My bathroom door is a sliding door and she scratched hard enough to slide the door open ._.
(i didn't think she'd be able to so i didnt lock it in the first place)

It knew to go back to the bathroom when i shooed it, and didnt leave me any surprises in the living room (didnt even scratch the sofa), but as soon as i left it (locking the door this time) it went back to scratching the bathroom door. :(

After hearing scratching sound intense enough to make me think she splintered the wood, i opened the door. She didnt bolt out or anything and just started walking around the apartment. Right now i'm keeping all the doors open, but i really dont know if i should have just locked her in the bathroom like the entire Internet said i should x__x

As far as body language goes, she's emitting this weird purr-growl sound... like she's purring through a stuffy nose? I've never heard it from another cat before and i have no idea what it means.

Her tail is level with her back/slightly upwards, kinda puffy but it could be the fur. Crooked at the tip, some swishing. So i really don't know if she's "friendly but unsure" or "irritated and annoyed"

what should i do? I'm so lost!

(she's on my bed now... just walking around)

BenMax
October 23rd, 2010, 06:27 AM
Firstly, thank you for adopting a shelter cat.

As I used to work at a shelter and now foster cats for a rescue group, I can help you understand what is going on...actually if you think about it, it's quite simple.

Firstly, the cat is very happy to be the heck out of there and is yearning for human affection. By keeping her locked up in a separate area from you, she is asking for you to spend time with her. She is very bewildered as to what is happening and therefore is asking for your comfort and reassurance. Secondly, she is rubbing her glands (along the side of the cheek) on your wall as she is marking it with her scent. Again, very normal. All cats do this.

Shelter cats may get rhino which is a cat cold. The signs usually start off with congestion and at times a very runny nose followed by heavy excretions (green) if not treated. They may also sneeze more than normal. Keep an eye out for symptoms. It is not unusal as this virus is brought out by stress. It is very curable and nothing to alarm you however it must be treated by a vet. Keep an eye on this.

Remember this and apply to your own interpretation of what the cat is going through:

Cat had a home. Cat put into a crate, into a car, and driven to an unknown place (shelter). Cat can see and hear other cats and dogs. If a kill shelter, cat can smell death (though we cannot, they can). Cat is then assessed for behaviour, then brought to the vet for a check up and vaccines. Cat put back into cage. Cat is then moved from holding cage to adoption cage. Cat is being viewed,and poked at by potential adopters. Cat is then accepted by someone, put in a box or crate, put in a car, and driven to another unfamiliar location. All this leads up to a very stressed animal that has no idea what is happening.

All this to say is that you need to relax just as your cat needs to feel secure in her surroundings. If you were the cat, going through all this, wouldn't you want someone who is warm and caring to spend time with you?

3 hours is not enough time to have huge expectations.

Let the cat adjust quietly and in your presence. This cat is looking for someone to call their own.

Good luck, give her time and everything will work out fine.

cheesecake
October 23rd, 2010, 10:51 AM
I'm mostly just not sure if i should have followed the instruction of every single article i've read on the internet and locked her in that room, let her get used to the surroundings then let her out etc.

That and her purr-growl and marking behavior was really weird in the sense that it was completely OCD. (She'll bump her face into a wall, and 3 seconds later do it again.... and repeat, and repeat x_x )

She's been purrgrowling all night, and because she didnt stop making that sound, in the beginning i was really worried that its not just a sound she's making but she's just breathing and is congested. But she fell asleep for like 5 minutes and the sound stopped so it's just some weird noise she's making when she's awake.

I've seriously never heard that sound before and even though im a first time cat owner i've had close relationships with 2 cats growing up. It's just so strange.


Anyways she seems fine, besides still a little OCD and that purrgrowl sound. Her nose is still wet but I already emailed two pet hospitals last night to try to book an appointment for a checkup, so hopefully it's not that she's sick x_x I just got her and havent gotten pet insurance yetttt

She slept on my bed tonight and knew to get up to go to the bathroom for the litterbox, im so relieved lol! I actually got up in the middle of the night looking for surprises on my bed and in the living room. But she actually went to the bathroom across the livingroom for her litterbox, im so relieved lawl!

mikischo
October 23rd, 2010, 11:56 AM
Since there are no other resident pets, you don't have to worry about making slow introductions to other animals in the house. That is one of the reasons that confining a new pet to one area is recommended. It can also sometimes help a new pet who is feeling nervous and scared feel safer in strange new surroundings.

Sounds like she would rather have free access to the whole house and just get right on with the business of exploring her new surroundings.:D Nothing wrong with that. Sounds like she is getting to know where things are already.

Is her nose dripping at all or just feels wet to the touch? Are you saying she stops the purr-growling completely when she is sleeping? I wonder if this could be partly due to nervousness. When you mention her bumping her face into the wall does she rub it against the wall or just bump the wall? The former could mean she is just getting familiar with and marking her new territory. She has a lot of new things to explore and get used to. Maybe she will settle down a bit soon. You say she already knows where to find her litter box and has used it.:thumbs up Has she eaten or drank anything yet?

luckypenny
October 23rd, 2010, 11:59 AM
Hi cheesecake :). It sounds to me like you've got yourself a kitty who's very social and adjusting extremely well to her new home :thumbs up. Lucky you and lucky her :goodvibes:.

Does she have a name yet? By any chance, would you have some photos of her to share with us :D?

rainbow
October 23rd, 2010, 03:09 PM
Welcome to pets.ca and thank you for adopting an older cat from a shelter. :thumbs up :grouphug:

I agree with everyone and 3 hr is not enough time for her to adjust to her new surroundings. Just let her go about and explore .....she knows where here litter box is so there is no reason that she would not use it.

And, yes .....we would love to see pics of your new girl. :goodvibes:

cheesecake
October 23rd, 2010, 05:17 PM
Is her nose dripping at all or just feels wet to the touch? Are you saying she stops the purr-growling completely when she is sleeping? I wonder if this could be partly due to nervousness. When you mention her bumping her face into the wall does she rub it against the wall or just bump the wall? The former could mean she is just getting familiar with and marking her new territory. She has a lot of new things to explore and get used to. Maybe she will settle down a bit soon. You say she already knows where to find her litter box and has used it.:thumbs up Has she eaten or drank anything yet?

Her nose just feels wet, it's not dripping. It does leave a wet mark when she's rubbing her nose against things, that's it.

Right now i'm beginning to think that the congested purr sound is her actual purr. She's all spread out on the bed right now, belly up, but she's still kind of making that sound.

She does both the bumping and rubbing, sometimes she bump but doesnt rub. I think it was because of the nervousness too, because she stopped doing it to the walls, just me now.

I got Hill's science diet when i got her from the spca, the weight control formula because she was a little "fluffy" according to the spca. Haven't fed her wet food yet but i will tonight. Eventually (probably when this huge bag of food is gone/when she lost the weight/whichever comes first) I will switch her to Orijen Dry as recommanded by a friend.

Don't know what wet food i'll be giving her yet. She's getting Natural balance Low Cal formula tonight and Hill's Adult light tomorrow. Hill's is better value for now so that's probably what i'll keep buying until I find something of equal/better quality for the money.

As for a picture, i'll probably take one tomorrow! Need to find the charger for my camera battery :(

Thank you guys so much for all your input! I'll keep you guys updated to her status :3

14+kitties
October 23rd, 2010, 06:07 PM
hhhhhh you opened yourself up for a great education Pets.ca style!! :D The recommendations of the food gurus on the site would be to drop the dry and stay with the wet. Even better, drop anything Science Diet/Hills and go with grain free, by product free, good food. Our favourite site thanks to sugarcatmom is www.catinfo.com Read it and you will be amazed. :thumbs up

The butting the head against you is a sign of acceptance. She is learning a lot in a short amount of time. So are you. One of the things you are learning is that a head butt is a good thing. :thumbs up A wet nose is nothing to worry about. There has been too much emphasis put on a wet nose for a dog or cat. The only time a wet nose is of concern is when it is dripping fluids. Normally this is accompanied by runny eyes and/or wheezing.

Love4himies
October 23rd, 2010, 06:13 PM
Head butts from kitties are wonderful things :cloud9::lovestruck:, she is marking you are her territory and she loves you :cloud9::lovestruck:

As 14+ kitties stated, a quality canned and no kibble is best for an overweight cat. Kibble is full of carbs that just turns to fat as cats can't digest it and they don't use carbs for energy, then just don't have the enzymes to do so. They convert animal fat and protein into energy.

THANK YOU FOR ADOPTING FROM A SHELTER :thumbs up

And finally, sure would love to see some pics :lovestruck:

cheesecake
October 23rd, 2010, 11:28 PM
As promised here are some pictures!
I still couldnt find the charger for my digital camera so i took some with my cellphone:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7774/dsc00077ju.jpg
She has one green and one blue eyes, probably has some persian in her :d
Iono what's up with the dark streak by her mouth, but that's for the vet to figure out i guess. I'm taking her on wednesday.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1149/dsc00079nd.jpg
Sleeping on my bed ;3
The one thing im so iffy about with it loving my bed so much is that it goes poopy then sits on my pillow :yuck:
I'm getting kitty wipes tomorrow :fingerscr but i really don't know what to do when i'm at work >:
Do they go to the bathroom on a predicable schedule? (i.e once a day x amount of time after feeding?)

Speaking of poopy. Thank god i decided to put the litter box in the bathroom instead of the den!! Ventilation doesnt even cut it! :yuck:
The pee was okay because the litter i use does a good job of masking the smell (feline pine, probably switching to feline fresh once this bag is done), but the poop, wow x_x

Do you guys use a deodorizing spray before scooping the litter box? Or maybe it's the diet?

Regarding switching her to wet food, I'm actually feeding her mainly wet food, the dry kibbles are just there for her to snack on during the day. (less than 1/4 cup a day) And like i said, once the bag is gone i will switch her to the grainless dry stuff http://www.orijen.ca/orijen/orijen/grainFree.aspx
again its just there for her during the day (in case i overtime etc, dont want her running around hungry), her main diet will be wet food.

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8562/dsc00082n.jpg
she's like "wut"

growler~GateKeeper
October 24th, 2010, 03:40 AM
Everything you've described sounds like a purr-fectly normal kitty who's happy to have her own home. Good for you adopting an adult shelter cat :thumbs up

She's adorable :lovestruck: What's her name?
Iono what's up with the dark streak by her mouth, but that's for the vet to figure out i guess. I'm taking her on wednesday.

Bit hard to tell from the picture but it could be a common Upper Respiratory Infection or Stress (acne) reaction to the shelter environment & the big move home, or it could be a reaction to the food or dishes used. A good idea to have her into see a vet either way.

What type of dishes are you using for her food? Plastic should be avoided as it can harbour bacteria in surface scratches.

The one thing im so iffy about with it loving my bed so much is that it goes poopy then sits on my pillow :yuck:
I'm getting kitty wipes tomorrow :fingerscr but i really don't know what to do when i'm at work >:

Cats will clean themselves after eliminating so it's unlikely there will be any poop on your pillow, unless she has difficulty pooping.

Kitty wipes aren't really necessary unless she has diarreah & gets it on her fur, even then a warm wet paper towel is sufficient & chemical free.

Do you guys use a deodorizing spray before scooping the litter box? Or maybe it's the diet?

Again likely stress combined with the food.

Love4himies
October 24th, 2010, 05:59 AM
Awwww, what a sweetie pie she is :cloud9::lovestruck:

catlover2
October 24th, 2010, 10:58 PM
AAwww, she's beautiful, love odd-eyed cats! Maybe part Ragamuffin?
To keep longhaired cat's back end cleaner, trim away her hair at least 1 in. diameter around her anus, with blunt-end moustache or bandage scissors. This will go a long way to making sure her poop drops into the litter box and doesn't get tangled in her breeches, especially if she has diarrhea.

Thanks for adopting her from a shelter, and welcome to the cat forum. You've received some excellent advice so far. Hope you'll give us an update.

Nordly
October 25th, 2010, 03:27 PM
Congrats on adopting a beautiful cat!
I recently adopted two kittens from the shelter, and mine had a cold for the first two weeks. There was no discharge, but they kept on sneezing. It was cute and heart breaking at the same time lol. I was tempted to bring them to a vet for the cold, but I read up on it and as long as she keeps on eating and using the litter box, it should be OK. Just keep an eye out for other symptoms (lethargy, discharge, cough).

As for the litter box... I use Feline Fresh and I've been told it's a good one, but it's still stinkier than I want lol. I tried baking soda in the litter box, but it would get on their fur and onto my couch. What really helped for me is one of those scented oils that plug into the socket.

My kittens keep themselves fairly clean, but once in a while I wipe their behind with a slightly wet bounty sheet. And oh, they generally go after eating. Or when I'm in the shower. :laughing:

14+kitties
October 25th, 2010, 04:04 PM
My kittens keep themselves fairly clean, but once in a while I wipe their behind with a slightly wet bounty sheet. And oh, they generally go after eating. Or when I'm in the shower. :laughing:

Please don't use a bounty sheet on your kitten's bottoms. They are full of chemicals that can leach out. What would happen if your cat/kitten had a fissure or tiny cut close to the surface and these chemicals irritated the fissure? Very dangerous. A damp washcloth kept just for that purpose is all you should ever need or use. Most of the time cats keep themselves meticulously clean. IMO you should never use anything with chemicals or perfumes on a cat or dog.

cheesecake
October 25th, 2010, 08:30 PM
Congrats on adopting a beautiful cat!
I recently adopted two kittens from the shelter, and mine had a cold for the first two weeks. There was no discharge, but they kept on sneezing. It was cute and heart breaking at the same time lol. I was tempted to bring them to a vet for the cold, but I read up on it and as long as she keeps on eating and using the litter box, it should be OK. Just keep an eye out for other symptoms (lethargy, discharge, cough).

Yah she kept sneezing too, but not often. Two times a day?
I don't think it's anything too serious, but the vet appointment is on weds, so we'll find out then!

I'll probably, with the help of the vet, also start introducing her to brushing and groom her following the genius advice of catlover2.


As for the litter box... I use Feline Fresh and I've been told it's a good one, but it's still stinkier than I want lol. I tried baking soda in the litter box, but it would get on their fur and onto my couch. What really helped for me is one of those scented oils that plug into the socket.

Ugh i hate perfume-y scents like the scented oils and sprays! Right now im just relying on my bathroom vent and basically keeping the cat locked in my bedroom for a hour while i open the balcony door to freshen the air, then locking it out of my bedroom to open the windows there. (im on the 23rd floor so im not leaving her unattended with a window open!)


It sucks that Feline fresh is still stinky though! I was planning on switching to it as recommended by a friend! The litter i'm using right now is feline pine, and it neutralizes pee odor quite well, but poop is a completely different story!

I'm so tempted to switch to crystal litter right now since they seem to have the strongest odor control, and they are a similar texture to pellets anyways so my cat shouldn't have a problem switching...

However i think your baking soda idea would work pretty well with feline pine's own litter box. http://www.felinepinelitterbox.com/
It's got a compartment in the bottom where the sawdust falls to, and it's separated from the cat so maybe the baking soda could be placed there to neutralize odor?

But the major major problem right now with any litter in pellet/crystal form is that... my cat doesnt bury her poop with those materials. I don't think it's a behavorial problem since i don't think its an easy task to bury poop in pellet litter. And it's such a huge problem for me right now is that while im at work, and she poops in the morning... there's a good 5~7 hour window where she'd be going to the litter box and might be stepping on poop! :wall:

...and then walk all over the apartment :yell: :yuck:
(yes theres a mat by her litterbox... but still!)

Right now I'm just shutting my bedroom door before i go to work... but i feel SO BAD because she loves my room and loves my bed. I think she feels the safest there because its the room that she's spent the most time in since she came home with me, it's also the room that she's been sleeping in every night. She cries a little at me when i get home today :(


My kittens keep themselves fairly clean, but once in a while I wipe their behind with a slightly wet bounty sheet. And oh, they generally go after eating. Or when I'm in the shower. :laughing:

I wish my cat had the metabolism of a kitten! Then i wouldnt have the above problem haha.
She's one lazy cat. She doesnt like any of the toys, doesnt even use the scratching post much (did not put a claw on the sofa either, she's such a good girl). I tried playing with her with a thick string but she'll swat at it but wont get up and leave her spot to chase it.

Right now the only form of exercise she's getting is when im walking around the apartment and she'd be in the mood to follow me. (its such a task just getting her off my bed!)

Can anyone give me some tips of a feeding schedule that would perhaps keep her poopy time to after the evenings? Is it even possible? Right now she is fed wet food at 8:50am and 8:00pm, i leave a bit of dry food (1/3~1/4 cup) out for her before i leave home for work at 9:10am. I get home at about 5:30~6pm...

I had to run home from work during lunch today to scoop her litterbox but i dont think i can do it everyday! ;__;


Please don't use a bounty sheet on your kitten's bottoms. They are full of chemicals that can leach out. What would happen if your cat/kitten had a fissure or tiny cut close to the surface and these chemicals irritated the fissure? Very dangerous. A damp washcloth kept just for that purpose is all you should ever need or use. Most of the time cats keep themselves meticulously clean. IMO you should never use anything with chemicals or perfumes on a cat or dog.

Would common toilet paper be suitable for this purpose? I like using things that i can flush right after when it comes to dealing with feces. I mean, i read somewhere that i should disinfect etc, after coming into contact with feline fecal matter? Right now i'm using a bleach spray for toilets and things to clean the litter scoop + bathroom sink after i scoop/rinse the scoop in the sink. I wash my hands with just soap but pretty thoroughly...

Am I just being OCD? XP


edit: whoa that's a lot of poop talk before im about to have dinner.....

sugarcatmom
October 25th, 2010, 09:05 PM
Am I just being OCD?


Yes. Relax about the poop!

And don't have kids if you're this paranoid about it!!!

sugarcatmom
October 25th, 2010, 09:12 PM
What really helped for me is one of those scented oils that plug into the socket.


These are an absolute no-no around cats (people too!). Besides the fact that they frequently contain toxic phthalates, cats are especially sensitive to air born essential oils, which can cause liver damage and death. Here are some links worth checking out:
http://cats.about.com/od/housekeeping/a/aromatherapy.htm
http://www.nrdc.org/health/home/airfresheners/fairfresheners.pdf
http://www.thelavendercat.com/3201/index.html

cheesecake
October 25th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Yes. Relax about the poop!

And don't have kids if you're this paranoid about it!!!


Im not sure if your comment is directed at the bleaching bit or just in general..

as far as the bleach goes it was only because i read about disinfecting the litterbox etc. I'm not sure if its a myth or w/e but i thought to be safe about it. If there's no need then of course im not going to clean the scoop with bleach everytime lol.

And in general... i think worried about cat stepping in her own poop and tracking it onto the bed is a legitimate concern >_<

14+kitties
October 25th, 2010, 11:27 PM
Im not sure if your comment is directed at the bleaching bit or just in general..

as far as the bleach goes it was only because i read about disinfecting the litterbox etc. I'm not sure if its a myth or w/e but i thought to be safe about it. If there's no need then of course im not going to clean the scoop with bleach everytime lol.

And in general... i think worried about cat stepping in her own poop and tracking it onto the bed is a legitimate concern >_<

I think once you get a better litter that the kitty actually feels like burying her poop with you will find she does. When I used the pellets a lot of mine didn't bury their stuff either.
As for the kitty stepping in her poo and tracking it onto the bed..... currently I have 14 in the house. I have yet to see any one of them step in their own poo. It just does not happen unless they have a bad case of diarrhea. Seriously, I think sometimes people just get a little bit too weirded out about this issue. Cats poop. Cats don't as a general rule step into their poop on the way out or back into their litter box. Cats when they get something on their feet will stop and clean their feet. Cats hate anything on their feet. They have to walk on them. They bathe themselves with their feet. Their feet are basically their hands if you want to be anthropomorphic. Yes, it is good to be conscious about cleaning but don't go overboard. I would be more concerned about your kitty getting the bleach on her paws and licking that off.
I believe once your kitty is switched to a better quality food and you are using a litter she feels more comfortable burying her stuff with in general you will find her poo really doesn't make that big of a smell. The better quality food you feed, the less the poop smells.

rainbow
October 26th, 2010, 12:53 AM
I totally agree with 14+ and scm that you are overly concerned about the poop. It is highly doubtful that she will ever step in it and if she does, like 14+ said, she will clean it off herself right away. But, if you are still freaked out about it, why don't you put an extra pillowcase on your pillow that you can take off when you go to bed.

growler~GateKeeper
October 26th, 2010, 12:59 AM
Please don't use a bounty sheet on your kitten's bottoms. They are full of chemicals that can leach out.

I think Nordly is referring to Bounty Paper Towel Sheets ;) Not Bounce fabric softener sheets.

growler~GateKeeper
October 26th, 2010, 01:31 AM
As for the litter box... I use Feline Fresh and I've been told it's a good one, but it's still stinkier than I want lol. I tried baking soda in the litter box, but it would get on their fur and onto my couch. What really helped for me is one of those scented oils that plug into the socket.

It sucks that Feline fresh is still stinky though! I was planning on switching to it as recommended by a friend! The litter i'm using right now is feline pine, and it neutralizes pee odor quite well, but poop is a completely different story!

I used the Feline Fresh Pine Pellets for about 3 years and did not have poop odor issues & my girl also used to bury it. Alot depends on what you are feeding, some is just getting used to the occasional smell :)

If you feed a good quality canned food, with little to no fillers you have less volume & less smelly deposits in the box.

Some food suggestions for you:

By Nature Organics (http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/productpages/organiccannedcat.php), Innova (http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp), Evo (http://www.evopet.com/search/) especially the 95% line, Wellness (http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat&ft=2), Holistic Select (http://www.holisticselect.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat), Felidae Grain Free (http://www.canidae.com/cats/grain-free-cat-food/canned.html) and the their other canned varieties

sugarcatmom
October 26th, 2010, 07:28 AM
Im not sure if your comment is directed at the bleaching bit or just in general..

In general and about the bleach. You might not realize this, but your cat's feet are way cleaner than any public doorknob, phone, faucet, handrail, most people's hands, etc. The amount of fecal matter you're exposed to out in the great wide world is pretty astounding, so obsessing over what your cat might track around the house is misdirected and a waste of time.

i think worried about cat stepping in her own poop and tracking it onto the bed is a legitimate concern >_<

Then like rainbow suggested, cover your bed with a sheet and extra pillow case while you're not there.

Just an aside about the food - if you want your kitty to lose weight, it would be a really good idea to ditch all kibble. You can leave canned food out for free-feeding (within reason) if you're worried about her going hungry (although for weight loss to occur, a little hunger is probably a good thing). Do you know how much she weighs at the moment, and what her ideal weight should be?

Nordly
October 26th, 2010, 08:30 AM
Please don't use a bounty sheet on your kitten's bottoms. They are full of chemicals that can leach out. What would happen if your cat/kitten had a fissure or tiny cut close to the surface and these chemicals irritated the fissure? Very dangerous. A damp washcloth kept just for that purpose is all you should ever need or use. Most of the time cats keep themselves meticulously clean. IMO you should never use anything with chemicals or perfumes on a cat or dog.

Sorry, when I said Bounty sheet, I meant the kitchen towel (Bounty, the quicker picker uppper) kind, not the dryer sheets. Those should be fine right?
I use it when I see dried bits stuck there... :yuck:

Nordly
October 26th, 2010, 08:37 AM
These are an absolute no-no around cats (people too!). Besides the fact that they frequently contain toxic phthalates, cats are especially sensitive to air born essential oils, which can cause liver damage and death. Here are some links worth checking out:
http://cats.about.com/od/housekeeping/a/aromatherapy.htm
http://www.nrdc.org/health/home/airfresheners/fairfresheners.pdf
http://www.thelavendercat.com/3201/index.html

Wow I didn't realize this. Thanks for pointing it out.
Is there anything safe I can use? Beeswax candles? I already keep the exhaust on as much as possible.

Opening the windows is not an option in my place cus there are no screens and they can easily reach it.

Nordly
October 26th, 2010, 08:44 AM
I used the Feline Fresh Pine Pellets for about 3 years and did not have poop odor issues & my girl also used to bury it. Alot depends on what you are feeding, some is just getting used to the occasional smell :)

If you feed a good quality canned food, with little to no fillers you have less volume & less smelly deposits in the box.

Some food suggestions for you:

By Nature Organics (http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/productpages/organiccannedcat.php), Innova (http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp), Evo (http://www.evopet.com/search/) especially the 95% line, Wellness (http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat&ft=2), Holistic Select (http://www.holisticselect.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat), Felidae Grain Free (http://www.canidae.com/cats/grain-free-cat-food/canned.html) and the their other canned varieties

Hey Growler, I think you're right. These are my first pets so it takes a bit getting used to the smell. They were fed on Science Diet in the beginning, but I'm switching them over to Wellness and other grain-free canned food. Crossing fingers :)

14+kitties
October 26th, 2010, 08:46 AM
Sorry, when I said Bounty sheet, I meant the kitchen towel (Bounty, the quicker picker uppper) kind, not the dryer sheets. Those should be fine right?
I use it when I see dried bits stuck there... :yuck:

Sorry. There are times when my eyes read one thing, the brain reads another. Should never answer threads when I'm tired. :o

Myka
October 26th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Dry cat food creates bulk in the digestive tract by filling them with indigestible matter (carbs). Bulk equals bigger poops, indigestible matter equals stinkier poops. If you feed only a high-quality, grain-free canned food you will get smaller, less stinky poops. Cats are not grazing animals, so it is quite alright to just feed her twice per day. She doesn't need to snack during the day.

Cute kitty! :lovestruck: I see she has dark markings on her face, do you think maybe that dark mark near her mouth is just her fur color there? Does she have a name yet?

Koteburo
October 26th, 2010, 10:23 PM
OMG She's beautiful!!!

Thank you for adopting from a shelter.
You got yourself quite a beauty for companion

Congratulations.

Can't anything better than what members have told you already. Good advices, give her time, love and patience and you'll see.

cheesecake
October 26th, 2010, 11:07 PM
I used the Feline Fresh Pine Pellets for about 3 years and did not have poop odor issues & my girl also used to bury it.

Some food suggestions for you:

By Nature Organics (http://www.bynaturepetfoods.com/productpages/organiccannedcat.php), Innova (http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp), Evo (http://www.evopet.com/search/) especially the 95% line, Wellness (http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat&ft=2), Holistic Select (http://www.holisticselect.com/recipes.aspx?pet=cat), Felidae Grain Free (http://www.canidae.com/cats/grain-free-cat-food/canned.html) and the their other canned varieties

Dry cat food creates bulk in the digestive tract by filling them with indigestible matter (carbs). Bulk equals bigger poops, indigestible matter equals stinkier poops. If you feed only a high-quality, grain-free canned food you will get smaller, less stinky poops. Cats are not grazing animals, so it is quite alright to just feed her twice per day. She doesn't need to snack during the day.

Cute kitty! :lovestruck: I see she has dark markings on her face, do you think maybe that dark mark near her mouth is just her fur color there? Does she have a name yet?

Well the bag of litter is brand new so i will see if she starts burying her pop by the time the bag is halfway through (she's using them up pretty fast, apparently pees a lot o_O or mabbe it's normal... that's for the vet to find out! :fingerscr) i'll stick with it, if not i'll start switching her to something easier for her to bury poop with.

It suck ballllls that petsmart carry none of those brands!!
(petsmart US carries wellness but its not available in Canada! what a rip offfff)

I was in Bosley's the other day and asked for Weightloss canned food, and they had Natural Balance Reduced Carbs and Science Diet Light, and that's it >x<
I'll try Tisol and see if they have anything canned that's weightloss or reduced carbs.

Or does it matter at all? I think it was 14+ that mentioned that feeding purely canned is lower carbs? But when im reading the canned labels some brands (i.e innova) did have more carbs per can than the science diet light.
How do i make that choice?

Also, I mentioned earlier about grainless dry food (Orijen), is that still bad because its dry? Their 6 fish formula sounds so... healthy lool and they do advertise as having 0 grain.




In general and about the bleach. You might not realize this, but your cat's feet are way cleaner than any public doorknob, phone, faucet, handrail, most people's hands, etc. The amount of fecal matter you're exposed to out in the great wide world is pretty astounding, so obsessing over what your cat might track around the house is misdirected and a waste of time.



Then like rainbow suggested, cover your bed with a sheet and extra pillow case while you're not there.

Just an aside about the food - if you want your kitty to lose weight, it would be a really good idea to ditch all kibble. You can leave canned food out for free-feeding (within reason) if you're worried about her going hungry (although for weight loss to occur, a little hunger is probably a good thing). Do you know how much she weighs at the moment, and what her ideal weight should be?

How do you know I don't bleach public doornobs!? O___O

Joking! seriously!

Haha I'm so sorry but i must have came off as some crazy OCD lady who wipes every surface with Lysol "kills 99.99% of bacteria =D"
I swear I'm not! :sorry:

I'm actually really against those anti-bacterial cleaning products and soaps because i think they help create super-bugs so i never use them.
As for having bleach in the house, it's mostly because im a really lazy person and white cotton clothes and things are the most hassle free to clean haha (just add bleach and they'll look like new! so convenient! etc... :p)

And since its in my house anyways, i use it for things that might need disinfecting when cleaning (my sheets when i just had a cold, toilets, tough stains on the tiles or kitchen etc.)

I am really OCD about rinsing through and i make sure to store them in pet-proofed places!


Playing in the mud with my dog and getting hosed down by my mom (summer time, so no child or dog were harmed) is probably one of my fondest childhood memories. And I really don't mind a mess in the house, etc.

It's just its my first time having a cat, and unlike a dog or a kid, you cant hose them down! Which makes me kinda lost to how to keep up with basic hygiene haha.

Well i do worry sometimes because i mean, i know cats like to have their living spaces clean and that's one major reason why i'm so worried about not being there to scoop the litter box immediately after she goes. Because when i go to a public washroom, if the toilet in the stall i went to had poop in it, i go to another stall until i find a clean toilet... so I guess i was also worried she'd refuse to use her box if there's already poop in it?

I'm probably over analyzing wayyyyy too much and i probably sound retarded! >_<
But I really really really do appreciate yours and everyone's input and for putting up with my silly questions! I'm such a cat noob!


About the aside, I do have a question regarding leaving wet food out. Mostly afraid of attracting creepy crawlies etc... but also i don't know how long i can leave it out for before it goes bad.

I actually tried leaving some out yesterday for about a 3 hour window? But i work for 8 hours a day and I'm really afraid of it going bad and possibly giving her an upset stomach. I mean in the summer, things begin to smell funny pretty quickly.

From your experience, what would be a safe zone for leaving wet food out?


As for feeding her and her weight.
I don't know her exact weight (i'll know after the vet visit tomorrow), i have a scale at home (for myself) but i cant get her to stand on it for long enough to make a reading.
I know she's just slightly overweight, like a little bit of tummy fat? I know she has to lose enough to get that slight tuck back, but i don't know exactly how much.

The main concern is her lack of interest in being active, so even when she'd lost the weight i'd still have to watch her carbs.

She doesnt seem to eat a lot though, but i have no reference point so i really dont know if she's eating less because of stress or its just how much she eats. Basically a regular can is how much she eats the whole day, I feed her half in the morning and half at night. On the can it says to feed 1 1/2 can a day. I tried giving her more to go with the direction on the label but after a certain amount she just stops eating so... I mean yah there's the dry kibble but like i've been saying i really dont give her a more than 1/4 cup.


Sorry, when I said Bounty sheet, I meant the kitchen towel (Bounty, the quicker picker uppper) kind, not the dryer sheets. Those should be fine right?
I use it when I see dried bits stuck there... :yuck:

Haha i thought you meant the paper towel too, and i sang the quicker picker upper in my head, and after i read your post it's officially stuck in my head! :yell:


And well, my cat doesnt have a name yet xD
her name was Jade, from the shelter, but she doesnt respond to it anyways so i might name her something different!

Cocopuffssss!

Okay never mind she gave me a look and turned her butt to me :,<

Nordly
October 27th, 2010, 11:59 AM
And well, my cat doesnt have a name yet xD
her name was Jade, from the shelter, but she doesnt respond to it anyways so i might name her something different!

Cocopuffssss!

Okay never mind she gave me a look and turned her butt to me :,<
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Hahaha my two rascals don't respond to their names either. I just keep telling myself they're cats and can't be trained to respond like dogs do lol.
I like cocopuffsss though!!! :lovestruck:

14+kitties
October 27th, 2010, 12:13 PM
Nope, wasn't me that mentioned lower carbs. Cats need protein, not carbs.
Wellness may not be available at Petsmarts. In my visits not much is available there besides lots of doggy stuff and frilly things we don't need for our pets. :rolleyes: BUT it IS available at Pet Valus and Global (Ryans) Pet Food stores.

You can leave canned food out for up to 12 hours with no problems. Yes, it gets a little crunchy on the sides. Some kitties like the crunch. If kitty is eating a can a day that is fine. Thing is that most pet food companies way over estimate what a "normal" cat eats in a day and then people freak because they don't think kitty is eating enough. If she is leaving food behind then she is getting enough. If she is not waking you up in the middle of the night on a regular basis asking for food then she is getting enough.

Cats are obligate carnivores. They need meat. Not grains, corn or by products. That is why dry food is not necessary. Even the best dry is held together with potato starches and other things. If you must feed dry only use it as a treat. Maybe a tiny bit (12 - 15 pieces) left on a saucer for her.

From the pics you've posted your kitty does not look overweight. Please do not let the vet talk you into buying the food they sell. It is not a great food. Especially when there are so many other great foods available out there.

Love4himies
October 27th, 2010, 12:59 PM
I feed my a mix of raw and canned. I feed them a 5AM and it stays out till 5PM when I get home. I have never had a sick kitty or any bugs from their cat food, so no worries :D.

Dog Dancer
October 27th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Sorry I haven't read the entire thread, started it yesterday and came back in today. Has it been suggested that you get a second litter box if you are worried about the cat not wanting to use a dirty one while you are out? Many people have more than one box as some cats are very fussy about using a dirty box. Just so you know, one of my old cats would never cover her poop, it was like she had to get out of there ASAP. My other cat would go in after her and cover it up for her :laughing: He was OCD!

sugarcatmom
October 27th, 2010, 09:48 PM
(she's using them up pretty fast, apparently pees a lot o_O or mabbe it's normal... that's for the vet to find out!

Can you tell how many times a day she pees? Does she also drink a lot?


I was in Bosley's the other day and asked for Weightloss canned food, and they had Natural Balance Reduced Carbs and Science Diet Light, and that's it >x<
I'll try Tisol and see if they have anything canned that's weightloss or reduced carbs.

Stay far far away from anything labelled as a "weightloss", "light" "indoor" or "hairball" formula (and that Natural Balance one is actually Reduced Calorie, not Reduced Carbs, which makes a big difference). These all have stupidly high amounts of grains and starches and are not fit for feline consumption. Read this most excellent article on why carbs make cats fat, and how the pet food manufacturers got it all wrong when they figured that reducing fat and protein was the way to get cats to lose weight: http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felineobesity

But when im reading the canned labels some brands (i.e innova) did have more carbs per can than the science diet light.
How do i make that choice?

You can't really compare the labels on cans and bags with each other. They list the 'guaranteed analysis', not the Dry Matter analysis, which subtracts out the water content of each food to make it equal out. Here's another link for you that makes it easier to compare the nutritional profiles of various brands and flavours: http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html

Also, I mentioned earlier about grainless dry food (Orijen), is that still bad because its dry?

Yuppers. There is NO dry on the face of this entire planet that is good for cats. Not a one. Despite what the advertisers would like you to believe. Pet food companies make most of their profits from kibble and would love it if everyone everywhere fed nothing but massive amounts of dry food to their furry companions. But just like you wouldn't eat nothing but cereal, day in and day out for your entire life, neither should our pets.

Their 6 fish formula sounds so... healthy lool and they do advertise as having 0 grain.

Fish is not so healthy for cats, actually. I won't go into all the reasons why, but if you're curious, I have another link (or 2) for you!
http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?action=library&act=show&item=whyfishisdangerousforcats
http://catnutrition.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/eight-strikes-against-fishy-feeding-for-cats/

How do you know I don't bleach public doornobs!? O___O
:laugh: You crack me up! Actually I thought of you last night when I was in bed (no, not like that!). I was happily reading away for 20 minutes, and then my husband comes to join me. Except that there was a nice big, dark, firm cat poo on his side of the bed. I started laughing because I hadn't even noticed (in my defence, it didn't smell, and it was slightly covered by the sheets). He just picked it up with a Kleenex and threw it out and then crawled under the sheets with me. What's really funny is that this is a man who used to be just about as squeamish about poop as you! Last night he was all "whatever". My, how far he's come. (I must mention that it really isn't normal for cats to defecate on their owner's beds, but one of my cats happens to be an elderly fellow that occasionally has constipation issues, and during those occasions, it apparently feels more comfortable for him to poop in places other than his litter box.)

Because when i go to a public washroom, if the toilet in the stall i went to had poop in it, i go to another stall until i find a clean toilet...

Me too!

so I guess i was also worried she'd refuse to use her box if there's already poop in it?

As Dog Dancer mentioned, that answer to that is another box. Most cats prefer that anyway, or at least a really big box like one of those under-the-bed storage boxes.


From your experience, what would be a safe zone for leaving wet food out?

Like 14+ and Love4, I put wet food out twice a day, morning and evening, and whatever doesn't get eaten (which usually isn't much, with 4 cats) gets tossed after about 12 hrs. Never had a cat get sick from that, although if you have problems with insects or whatever, you could try a couple other things. One would be a timed feeder that opens up automatically at preset intervals, and the other is to freeze some wet food in an ice-cube tray and plop a couple frozen cubes on a plate to slowly thaw for later in the day.

cheesecake
October 27th, 2010, 11:41 PM
So i just came back from the vet! My cat is so freaked out right now because i had to carry her and walk there :x (5 blocks... my friend who's supposed to give me a ride forgot the date lawlz ._. )

She was meowing the entire way and made me feel so badddddd~ :<

She weighs 13 pounds right now and the vet said to lose 2 pounds over 6~8 weeks. And also to watch for her sneezes for the next couple of days. Other than that she's perfectly healthy. The thingy on her chin is just her natural coloring~ not cat acne :x

Can you tell how many times a day she pees? Does she also drink a lot?

Oh shoot! i totally forgot to ask the vet about the pee thing. :wall:
As far as i know she pees 3 times a day? (at least from when im there on the weekends) But im really not sure since she goes to the litterbox when im asleep too.

I have two water dishes for her and i do see her stopping by and drinking though.



Stay far far away from anything labelled as a "weightloss", "light" "indoor" or "hairball" formula (and that Natural Balance one is actually Reduced Calorie, not Reduced Carbs, which makes a big difference). These all have stupidly high amounts of grains and starches and are not fit for feline consumption. Read this most excellent article on why carbs make cats fat, and how the pet food manufacturers got it all wrong when they figured that reducing fat and protein was the way to get cats to lose weight: http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felineobesity



You can't really compare the labels on cans and bags with each other. They list the 'guaranteed analysis', not the Dry Matter analysis, which subtracts out the water content of each food to make it equal out. Here's another link for you that makes it easier to compare the nutritional profiles of various brands and flavours: http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html


Yuppers. There is NO dry on the face of this entire planet that is good for cats. Not a one. Despite what the advertisers would like you to believe. Pet food companies make most of their profits from kibble and would love it if everyone everywhere fed nothing but massive amounts of dry food to their furry companions. But just like you wouldn't eat nothing but cereal, day in and day out for your entire life, neither should our pets.


Oh wow i didnt know the "hairball" stuff is bad too! Was gonna get her some "hairball" treats but apparently not!
Is there anything i should be giving her to prevent hairballs? She's a really neat cat and is grooming herself all the time. I brush her everyday and used deshedding dry shampoo on her twice, so she's not nearly shedding as much as she did when she first arrived from the spca, but she's still quite a fluffy cat.

From the way that she completely disses the salmon treat a i got her, i think she dislikes fish flavor anyways haha!

Well when i go to bosley's on sat to get her next week's supply of canned food i'll keep an eye out for the grain-free brands.




:laugh: You crack me up! Actually I thought of you last night when I was in bed (no, not like that!). I was happily reading away for 20 minutes, and then my husband comes to join me. Except that there was a nice big, dark, firm cat poo on his side of the bed. I started laughing because I hadn't even noticed (in my defence, it didn't smell, and it was slightly covered by the sheets). He just picked it up with a Kleenex and threw it out and then crawled under the sheets with me. What's really funny is that this is a man who used to be just about as squeamish about poop as you! Last night he was all "whatever". My, how far he's come. (I must mention that it really isn't normal for cats to defecate on their owner's beds, but one of my cats happens to be an elderly fellow that occasionally has constipation issues, and during those occasions, it apparently feels more comfortable for him to poop in places other than his litter box.)

Haha the first thing i do when i come back from work is to check all corners of the house for poop! xD
But so far so good! She's been amazingly neat. There's of course tracking problems but im putting an extra towel under the mat so that should take care of that.

Actually u just gave me an awesome idea! I'll start picking up her poop with toilet paper (i just flush it anyways) instead of the scoop so i dont have to be OCD about washing her litter scoop.



As Dog Dancer mentioned, that answer to that is another box. Most cats prefer that anyway, or at least a really big box like one of those under-the-bed storage boxes.

I might not have enough room for another box (her litterbox is under the bathroom sink right now, so space is an issue), but i might be able to get her a bigger box.

Her current box is actually a dishwasher box by rubbermaid with microban (supposedly helps with the odor), but i'll keep an eye out for a larger box definitely.



Like 14+ and Love4, I put wet food out twice a day, morning and evening, and whatever doesn't get eaten (which usually isn't much, with 4 cats) gets tossed after about 12 hrs. Never had a cat get sick from that, although if you have problems with insects or whatever, you could try a couple other things. One would be a timed feeder that opens up automatically at preset intervals, and the other is to freeze some wet food in an ice-cube tray and plop a couple frozen cubes on a plate to slowly thaw for later in the day.

okay! i'll try that!
Thanks so much for the info :3

14+kitties
October 28th, 2010, 06:58 AM
Yikes! I hope you had her in a carrier while you were carrying her.
The vet wanting kitty to lose 2 pounds in 6 to 8 weeks needs to get a reality check! For every pound a cat loses it's equivalent to a human losing 10 pounds. So the vet really wants your kitty to lose, in human terms, 20 pounds! That is not even realistic for most humans on a diet. :frustrated: She would take the weight off too fast which would be dangerous for her. A slow steady weight loss is much better for her.
If you want her to lose a little weight gradually over the course of six months or so then moving her to the canned diet and dropping the dry is the way to go. I don't know but 13 pounds does not sound that bad to me. But then my guys range anywhere from 3 pounds up to 19. :shrug:
Thanks for the update on her. Glad to know her marking by her mouth is her own. :thumbs up

Love4himies
October 28th, 2010, 07:06 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not 2 lbs in 6-8 weeks :yell: (unless she is 20 lbs :frustrated:, which she isn't). Cat's liver can not change fat into energy very efficiently :frustrated:, so she should only loose about 2 oz per week. :frustrated::frustrated:

From: http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felineobesity#Implementing_a_Safe_Weight-Loss_Program

Safe Rate of Weight Loss

Please understand that your overweight cat took months to get into his current condition and that it will take months to safely lose the weight. This is not a race but it is critical for you to stay the course and not give up.

A safe rate of weight loss is 1 - 2% of their current body weight per week.

For example, if your cat weighs 20 pounds, he can safely lose up to ~6 ounces per week. (20 pounds X16 ounces/pound = 320 ounces. 2% of 320 = ~ 6 ounces.)

1% would be 3 ounces per week - or 3/4 pound/month.

As your cat loses weight, the amount of weight that he should lose each week will decrease.

For example, if your cat is down to 16 pounds, his weight loss should slow to ~2.5 -5 ounces each week which represents 1-2% of 16 pounds.

cheesecake
October 28th, 2010, 07:51 PM
Yikes! I hope you had her in a carrier while you were carrying her.
The vet wanting kitty to lose 2 pounds in 6 to 8 weeks needs to get a reality check! For every pound a cat loses it's equivalent to a human losing 10 pounds. So the vet really wants your kitty to lose, in human terms, 20 pounds! That is not even realistic for most humans on a diet. :frustrated: She would take the weight off too fast which would be dangerous for her. A slow steady weight loss is much better for her.
If you want her to lose a little weight gradually over the course of six months or so then moving her to the canned diet and dropping the dry is the way to go. I don't know but 13 pounds does not sound that bad to me. But then my guys range anywhere from 3 pounds up to 19. :shrug:
Thanks for the update on her. Glad to know her marking by her mouth is her own. :thumbs up

yah i had her in her hide and perch box ;3
I still had to take breaks inbetween though because i have flimsy arms :shrug:

Mabbe i interpreted the vet wrong O_O mabbe he meant like bring her back in 6~8wks to weigh her to see how the weightloss is going instead of losing that weight in 6~8 wks.

Yah that's probably what he meant!

I'm such a fobbbb :yell:

Myka
October 28th, 2010, 10:13 PM
Here is a link to some excellent kitty reading for you since you're new to the game!
http://www.traciehotchner.com/cc/suggestions.htm

Here is a link to good canned food brands:
http://www.traciehotchner.com/cc/files/CatChatApprovedFoods.pdf

Tracie Hotchner is US-based so some of the brands aren't available up here in Canada, but at least it gives you a good spectrum to try to find. :D

Love4himies
October 29th, 2010, 07:04 AM
Here is a link to good canned food brands:
http://www.traciehotchner.com/cc/files/CatChatApprovedFoods.pdf



There is an error on that website, they claim Nature's Variety Prairie is grain free and it is not. Nature's Variety Instinct is grain free.

sugarcatmom
October 29th, 2010, 07:20 AM
There is an error on that website, they claim Nature's Variety Prairie is grain free and it is not. Nature's Variety Instinct is grain free.

Ya, that list is a little outdated. The old Prairie was the predecessor to Instinct, way back in the day.

cheesecake
October 31st, 2010, 06:51 PM
okay I really should have gotten her a bigger box and/or trimmed her butt hair sooner
I dont know what was the exact reason for this little event but here goes, her first ever litter-box related "accident"!

w00~


So on sat, i had two friends over, which may contributed to her being a little freaked out, but she pretty much stayed in my room without much problems.
I finally got her a treat that she's at least shown some interest, yey.

Anyways, so this morning, she was going to the litterbox, and she looked about done when i walked into the bathroom. But to my horror, she started moving with just her front legs, dragging her bottom against the floor, and proceeded to wipe her butt on my bathmat! :yell: (the white furry one from ikea that is a bitch to wash! its so heavy when its wet omg x_x)

granted as this is happening, i was horrified but the whole thing was also very hilarious in a very sad way. Then i felt bad because the poor thing probably had some poo stuck in her fur x_x

So she ran out, into the living room, but she still had poo on her even through she used the bathmat "toilet paper", and she was still trying to rub it off on the floor (thank god i have laminate instead of carpet!!) and my friend's jeans xDDD

Both me and her spent the next 2 hours cleaning her/the bathroom/living room.:cry2:
(it was kinda sad watching her keep licking her butt to try to get the poo off but its like not coming off >_> and she absolutely refused to let me wipe her butt so a hour later when she finally calmed down enough for me to wipe her with a dry shampoo, i couldnt get anything on the tissue, so either it dried completely or she managed to lick everything off)

I got her a new litterbox that's wayyy bigger (though i do kinda worry about the vertical space since its right under the sink... but she was okay fine with her previous box so) and ive been chasing after her and snipping away at her butt fur all day xD|||
Hopefully it wont happen again.


On another note, she conquered her fear and figured out how to jump from the bed to my computer chair, and now she thinks its hers and wont budge away from it. I'm forced to share it with her so now we both occupy half of the chair as i type. haha.

cheesecake
October 31st, 2010, 07:10 PM
Here is a link to some excellent kitty reading for you since you're new to the game!
http://www.traciehotchner.com/cc/suggestions.htm

Here is a link to good canned food brands:
http://www.traciehotchner.com/cc/files/CatChatApprovedFoods.pdf

Tracie Hotchner is US-based so some of the brands aren't available up here in Canada, but at least it gives you a good spectrum to try to find. :D

and btw, since i already did the calculation at Bosley's (chain petstore in vancouver area), i figure i'd share:

(*this is just a reference for people whos not sure about the price difference between "premium" and w/e else canned food there is, and also different brands. The price may vary depending on store, but Bosley's had the same price as petsmart and tisol on a lot of other things so it should be relative! and also doesnt not corresponds to the pdf completely since i can only calculate on what's in stores)

Price per oz:
Friskies Poultry Platter, Turkey: $0.12
Fancy Feast Gourmet Feast: $0.23
Evo (Chicken & Beef): $0.18
Wellness: $0.23
California Natural: $0.19
Felidae: $ 0.18
Innova (cat and kitten): $0.17
Natural Balance (chicken & Liver): $0.25
Hollistic: $0.23