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It's been a helluva week

Rgeurts
September 18th, 2010, 11:51 PM
Had to take nookie monster to the vet Monday. He had another bout of bloat and he threw up at quarter to 5 in the morning. He has lost 10 pounds in 5 weeks :eek: :(
We have been feeding him hamburger/rice/sweet potato and I had called the vet the previous Friday to let them know he acted like he was starving and to see if we were feeding him properly as we have never had either of our babies on a diet like that for more than a couple of days. The vet I spoke with couldn't give me an answer for most of my questions and no straight answers for the ones he did answer. I told him how much we were feeding him (4-5 cups a day) and asked how many we should be giving. He never did answer and I finally said "4, 5... 6 cups?" He just said "that sounds about right" :wall::wall::wall: Which is right... 4, 5 or 6?!
We decided to give him 5.5. His regular vet on Monday said he was starving, literally!! She said we needed to be feeding him 10 cups per day :eek:. Would have been nice if they had told us that or had someone competent in her place (she only works Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday). We felt SO horrible... we were literally starving our baby :cry:

Spent a few hours there, then took him home and went to work. Came home from work Tuesday and Thorin had thrown up twice and the whole house smelled horrible! I felt so bad for him. He tried to poo but could only get some bloody mucus out. Poor baby was walking around hunched up. I gave him some concoction they gave me with his last bout of colitis and the next morning he was fine, normal poo and all. Thursday my MIL took him out for a walk. He tried to poo but couldn't then started trying to throw up but nothing would come out. I called the vet, told them what was going on and asked if we could bring him in. They said as long as he was eating (which he was) and wasn't lethargic that it could wait until the next day. I got home that night and he kept coughing and choking. It reminded me of a cat with a hairball. I called the vet again (Thursday night) and made an appt. for Saturday. Friday (luckily I had it off) I got up and he was still coughing, choking and acting like he needed to throw up. I checked his gums and they were white! I called and let them know and they said to bring him in right away (almost an hour drive). When we got there the vet was very concerned and thought he may be having heart problems or anemia. They ran a bunch of blood work and everything came back good except for his Lipase. The high normal is 1800 and he was at 2068. She said she didn't think the coughing/choking was related to his tummy trouble and said he probably has Kennel Cough so she put him on an antibiotic. She thinks he may be starting a bout of Pancreatitis :(
We have to take him back for followup blood work in 2 weeks. At least his heart and lungs are ok, but I'm very worried about the Lipase now. He's old and has had tummy troubles all his life.

Today was spent at the vet AGAIN... with Nanook this time. Another bout of bloat. His vet was there today (she works 1 Saturday a month) so I was happy for that. She took xrays and had a little good news. The bloat is not actually in his stomach, it's in his intestines, so not much worry for torsion, thank god :pray: :)
His stomach was full, bowels were full and in between, in his intestines, he was FULL of gas.
She put him on a motility drug to push the food through him and will be doing Barrium tests on Monday to hopefully figure out what's wrong with his tummy.

I need a break! :yell:
I swear, I'm going to end up having a nervous breakdown :(

On the "upside" Nanook has been seizure free for 5 and a half weeks and the pneumonia is gone!

But... with all the problems, they still find the energy and time to play a little! Thorin is really starting to warm to monster :lovestruck::cloud9:

These are a couple of short videos of them playing :)
Nanook and Thorin are both typical Mals, very vocal. Nanook has a gurgly little howl lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSsaOLLaYKU&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYAAoqCKSQI&feature=channel

14+kitties
September 19th, 2010, 12:03 AM
:grouphug: I am so sorry you are going through all of this with your boys. It must be heartbreaking. Hopefully things will turn around for you soon. Stay strong. :grouphug:
Big hugs to both Thorin and Nookie Monster!!!

Rgeurts
September 19th, 2010, 09:26 AM
:grouphug: I am so sorry you are going through all of this with your boys. It must be heartbreaking. Hopefully things will turn around for you soon. Stay strong. :grouphug:
Big hugs to both Thorin and Nookie Monster!!!


Thank you for the support. It's tough to watch them go through this. I know you have had you hands more than full as well, so :grouphug: right back to you.



Has Benni started eating yet?

Love4himies
September 19th, 2010, 09:36 AM
Wow :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:, what a time you have been going through :grouphug:

Sending lots and lots of :goodvibes: your way.

hazelrunpack
September 19th, 2010, 10:55 AM
Oh, no. :( I was hoping you were having an easier time of it. :goodvibes: for both Nanook and Thorin and :grouphug:s for all of you!

Loved the videos, btw. :lovestruck: Nookie monster is quite the singer! :laughing: He had all of ours singing along!

Frenchy
September 19th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Ouch , again :( I'm so sorry :(

Is it Nanook that needs to put on weight ? Have you tried making him satin balls ? Did we ever give you the recipe ?

Rgeurts
September 19th, 2010, 12:10 PM
Oh, no. :( I was hoping you were having an easier time of it. :goodvibes: for both Nanook and Thorin and :grouphug:s for all of you!

Loved the videos, btw. :lovestruck: Nookie monster is quite the singer! :laughing: He had all of ours singing along!

He really is a little singer! That's how he wakes me up every morning lol. Thorin is the same, but was being a little camera shy. We were laughing so much because they were both just going before I hit record :D :laughing:




Ouch , again :( I'm so sorry :(

Is it Nanook that needs to put on weight ? Have you tried making him satin balls ? Did we ever give you the recipe ?

Ya, it's Nanook. You can see how thin he is in the video. His poor little face is skeletal :(
And no, I've never heard of satin balls. What's in them?

Frenchy
September 19th, 2010, 12:24 PM
There's many different ways to make them (a couple of recipes are here in the food forum )

here's how I make mine :

2 lbs raw ground beef
4-5 raw eggs (with or without the shells , shells are full of proteins , when I do put them in , I crush them first)
500 ml cottage cheese
canned pumpkin , the whole can (not the pie filler)
overly cooked rice (about 2 cups)
bread crumbs (to make it all "stick")

Everything is raw , other than the rice. You make them tennis ball size. Since this recipe makes a lot of balls (:p) I wrapped them individually , in saran wrap and keep them in the freezer. You can give 1-2 a day , put them in the fridge the day before so they will be unfrozen when meal time.

for skinny dogs that need to put weight on , the satin balls are fed as supplements. You feed the usual meals , and personally , I would feed the satin ball around 8 pm , once they digested their kibble. :dog:

oh and you can also mix melasse (sp) to them.

Rgeurts
September 19th, 2010, 12:36 PM
Thank you for the recipe! I will write it down and save it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to give him those right now. The internal specialist said he can't have anything raw because he has no immune system right now. He was on 60mg of prednisone daily for 3 weeks, then 40mg for 2 weeks and is now on 30mg and we're at the end of the 2 weeks. Tomorrow I think he will be down to 20mg daily. Once he's off the steroids we "might" be able to feed him raw, but if he has an autoimmune disorder, he may have to stay on the steroids for life. We won't know for sure for at least another 6 months.

Chris21711
September 19th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Saying :pray:'s that this nightmare is going to end soon Rguerts....you must all be exhausted.

Frenchy
September 19th, 2010, 01:16 PM
Rgeurts , you could cook the beef and eggs. But I do agree with you , maybe you should wait later , maybe his stomach wouldn't take it. :o

Rgeurts
September 19th, 2010, 01:57 PM
Right now they have us feeding him and Thorin both hamburger/rice/sweet potatoes. We were adding carrots but he didn't digest them at all and then got gassy. The last time he had carrot was Thursday morn and he was still pooping carrots yesterday morning, so the vet said he isn't digesting and the food is taking way too long to move through his system. She put him on a motility drug and he had the first dose last night, but it doesn't seem to be helping. He still isn't pooing much and when he does, they are tiny and his tummy is still bloated. Hopefully the barrium tests tomorrow will show the problem :shrug:

rainbow
September 19th, 2010, 02:29 PM
I'm so sorry to hear of all the problems you're having once again with both Thorin and Nanook :( :grouphug: and I hope the barium tests will shed some light on the reason for Nanook's bloating. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

The singing is too cute :D .....our last two huskies used to have duets and I miss that. :cloud9: Logan doesn't sing very much at all and mostly only if I encourage him. :o

Kalou
September 19th, 2010, 02:36 PM
I'm sorry to hear about everything that you are having to go through. I hope everything improves.

Sylvie
September 19th, 2010, 03:07 PM
OMG Rgeurts, you sure are going through a terrible time. :eek:

:grouphug: to you and :fingerscr that everything takes a turn for the better this week.

Please give your furbutts a hug and kiss from me. I am off to check out your video now.

chico2
September 19th, 2010, 05:37 PM
I read some good news at least,Nanook had no seizures for 5 weeks:thumbs up
But all the rest,poor Thorin,Nanook and you,what absolute heartbreak and worry...enough is enough already:pray:

The videos are so sweet,it's hard to believe they are sick,love Nanooks singing and Thorin really seems to love him,they just have to get better:pray::fingerscr:goodvibes:

Rgeurts
September 19th, 2010, 08:32 PM
Thanks for all of the support guys. I just get so tired and frustrated, then have to rant a bit. I know it's worth it, I just get a little bout of self pitty every now and then. Lack of sleep and too many things to do :o

With everything that's happening, it could be worse. At least I still have them both, can kiss and cuddle them and laugh when they're clowns :)

And for monster, tomorrow it will be 6 weeks with no seizures :thumbs up
That's the longest span yet!

Dee-O-Gee
September 19th, 2010, 10:27 PM
You've come to the right place to rant cause we're all listeners here! :highfive:

Happy to hear Nanook is almost 6 weeks seizure free :clap: and the videos of Thorin pawing at Nanook while he was singing are way too cute. :lovestruck:

Hang in there Rgeurts. :grouphug:

14+kitties
September 19th, 2010, 10:50 PM
Thank you for the support. It's tough to watch them go through this. I know you have had you hands more than full as well, so :grouphug: right back to you.
Has Benni started eating yet?

Thank you. :) No, she isn't eating on her own yet. I am phoning the vet as soon as they open tomorrow to see when I can get her back in. She has to eat. She is losing too much weight. :(
I have my fingers crossed and am sending so many :goodvibes::pray: your way that Nookie makes it past the six week period. Both of your dogs are so sweet! :cloud9:

rainbow
September 20th, 2010, 02:14 PM
YAY for Nanook being 6wk seizure free. :highfive:

Will you get the results of the barium test right away? :fingerscr :goodvibes:

loopoo
September 20th, 2010, 03:30 PM
saying prayers that both your doggies are feeling better, and that you get some answers... great news on no more seizures... your dogs are beautiful!

Magicwildwolf69
September 20th, 2010, 07:13 PM
oh no hope your baby feels better soon! its always so hard when they aren't doing well and you have to wait for test to see what is going on with them. I have to go check out the videos!

hazelrunpack
September 20th, 2010, 07:48 PM
How'd the tests go today? :goodvibes:

Rgeurts
September 20th, 2010, 10:51 PM
Thank you for all the :goodvibes:, :pray:s and well wishes, it's much appreciated!

Nanook spent the day at the vet. They completed the barrium tests and the diagnosis is inconclusive. His intestines and stomach are extremely inflamed, which is why he isn't digesting his food/passing stools well. They also did an ultrasound. The girl who did it said there looks like there may be something in his stomach, but wasn't sure, so they're sending the x-rays/barrium xrays & ultrasound results to a gastrointestinal specialist. He did somehow manage to get an ankle sock about a week ago. The only reason I know is because he pooped it out :eek::eek:

They're thinking he may still have a sock in there :shrug:

We try to be soooo careful. We put all the laundry in the hampers in the closet and shut the door. The only thing I can think of is I may have dropped them on the way downstairs to do laundry :confused:

But even if there is a sock there, she doesn't think that's the problem. She said he may have something called infantile something (can't remember the name) syndrome which is basically inflamed intestines, stomach and bowels from an infection he had as a baby, Giardia. She said it can take months, and even more than a year to heal. Hopefully the specialist will review the films and ultrasound and be able to shed a little more light.

Otherwise, he's doing great tonight! He's happy, very vocal and bouncy:cloud9::lovestruck:

rainbow
September 20th, 2010, 11:16 PM
<sigh> I hate it when they say the tests were inconclusive. :grouphug:

I hope the specialist will have some answers for you. :fingerscr :goodvibes:

rainbow
September 20th, 2010, 11:26 PM
Have you ever given Nanook slippery elm bark? I'm thinking it might help the inflammation that he has.

From http://www.naturalcanines.com/gpage5new.html ....

Slippery Elm's coating action soothes the irritated tissues of the intestines, colon, urinary tract, and stomach ulcers.

Rgeurts
September 20th, 2010, 11:28 PM
He pooped tonight *does the happy dance* :D

Kinda freaked me out at first though... it looked normal, then all of a sudden 2 huge white globs fell out of his bum :eek:

Then I realized it was just barrium! :o

Rgeurts
September 20th, 2010, 11:35 PM
Have you ever given Nanook slippery elm bark? I'm thinking it might help the inflammation that he has.

From http://www.naturalcanines.com/gpage5new.html ....

Ooooh.... thank you for that link :2huggers:! I'm gonna call the vet in the morning and ask her. I don't see why he couldn't have it, but with all the meds he's on, better to be safe than sorry :)

rainbow
September 20th, 2010, 11:41 PM
Ooooh.... thank you for that link :2huggers:! I'm gonna call the vet in the morning and ask her. I don't see why he couldn't have it, but with all the meds he's on, better to be safe than sorry :)

It is very safe as far as I know but best to check with your vet. :thumbs up

loopoo
September 20th, 2010, 11:43 PM
Far as I know there are no interactions with slippery elm, and it has wonderful results for crohns diarrhea and a number of digestive upsets... what i can say is that it can slow the absorption of other meds, so best given 2 hours before or after any meds. Also wondered in case I missed it are you giving him any type of probiotic? does wonders to help the stomach rebuild good bacteria, and almost always a must when taking antibiotics as they kill the bad and the good. Best wishes for your pups:goodvibes:

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 12:07 AM
Far as I know there are no interactions with slippery elm, and it has wonderful results for crohns diarrhea and a number of digestive upsets... what i can say is that it can slow the absorption of other meds, so best given 2 hours before or after any meds. Also wondered in case I missed it are you giving him any type of probiotic? does wonders to help the stomach rebuild good bacteria, and almost always a must when taking antibiotics as they kill the bad and the good. Best wishes for your pups:goodvibes:


Thank you for the info! And yes, both Thorin and Nanook get Fortiflora daily. Only started them on it a week ago though. Wish I had known about it sooner.
With the slippery elm, I may have to wait. Nanook gets meds at 7 am, 11 am, 3 pm, 7 pm... so not much time in between.

hazelrunpack
September 21st, 2010, 01:16 AM
Likely he's so willing to eat everything because of the high dose of pred he's on and the weight loss, Rgeurts. Evan was bad that way, too, when he was having an IBD flare up and on pred. Once he was able to regain some of the weight and be weaned to a lower dose of pred, the pica stopped. I hope that's also the case with Nanook! :fingerscr

And :goodvibes: for some info from the specialist that leads to a good treatment!

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 08:29 AM
Likely he's so willing to eat everything because of the high dose of pred he's on and the weight loss, Rgeurts. Evan was bad that way, too, when he was having an IBD flare up and on pred. Once he was able to regain some of the weight and be weaned to a lower dose of pred, the pica stopped. I hope that's also the case with Nanook! :fingerscr

And :goodvibes: for some info from the specialist that leads to a good treatment!

I hope that's the case with Nanook too! We can't even crate him to keep him safe. We talked to the vet about it, she said no because when he screams, he's just getting himself all worked up, gulping air and will bloat :(

I understand why, I just wish there was something (anything) we could do for him.

We will find out on Wed. :)

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 09:06 PM
Well, Nanook pooped out the other sock :eek:
Hopefully that's all!

We got a call from the vet today. Seems that our monster has a tripsyn deficiency, which would explain alot! The weight loss, pica, dry fur, constant gastro problems, flatulence etc. Needless to say, we're very happy!!! Here's :pray:ing and hoping that this is truly what's causing all the problems! We start him on Pancreas-V tomorrow :D

His growth has most likely been permanently stunted (he hasn't grown at all in a month and a half), but that's ok. I met his father who is 130 lbs, and he was a monster! The vet had to sedate him just to check his swollen face. Our little monster may stay just that, little. But we will love him just as much :cloud9::lovestruck:

hazelrunpack
September 21st, 2010, 09:13 PM
Good news about the sock! :laughing: Brier has been poopin' paper towel all day...not even sure when he managed to grab some. :rolleyes:

And a trypsin deficiency would be great news!! Could it be the cause of all his symptoms? Oh, I :pray: that's what it is! :goodvibes:

Frenchy
September 21st, 2010, 09:58 PM
[QUOTE=Rgeurts;953538 We start him on Pancreas-V tomorrow :D

[/QUOTE]

I think I had a foster on that stuff ... pretty expensive :( but she was doing great on it ! :thumbs up

good luck , hope it works out and this will be the last of the problems :goodvibes: :fingerscr

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 10:28 PM
Good news about the sock! :laughing: Brier has been poopin' paper towel all day...not even sure when he managed to grab some. :rolleyes:

Nanook pooped a paper towel last week! We don't know where he got it either :shrug:
We're thinking the socks may have been when we had company a couple weeks ago, or... I could have dropped the out of the laundry basket. Who knows... at least it all came out!!

And a trypsin deficiency would be great news!! Could it be the cause of all his symptoms? Oh, I :pray: that's what it is! :goodvibes:

All the symptoms he has (gastro related and growth) are in line with the Trypsin deficiency, so here's hoping :D


I think I had a foster on that stuff ... pretty expensive :(

Ya... $70 a tub. Not sure how long it lasts, but I guess we'll find out! It's pretty cheap compared to all the vet bills though. He will have to be on it the rest of his life, but we're ok with that.

but she was doing great on it ! :thumbs up

good luck , hope it works out and this will be the last of the problems :goodvibes: :fingerscr

We sure hope so! He still has the meningitis/encephalitis, but seems to be manageable on the steroids and pheno. It's been 6 weeks and 1 day with no seizures now :D

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 11:17 PM
Oh... and the bloat! The vet said a trypsin deficiency is a major cause of bloat/torsion, so hopefully this will solve that problem as well. But we will still have the gastropexy done in December when we go to the states.

14+kitties
September 21st, 2010, 11:37 PM
Yay for six weeks, one day!! :thumbs up WTG Nookie!!! I am so glad the vet figured out what was wrong. Now he just has to lay off the socks!!

Rgeurts
September 21st, 2010, 11:44 PM
Yay for six weeks, one day!! :thumbs up WTG Nookie!!! I am so glad the vet figured out what was wrong. Now he just has to lay off the socks!!

Socks AND paper towels!
I told DH I am throwing out ALL our socks so he will have to live with stinky bare feet (mine AND his!) :laughing:

rainbow
September 22nd, 2010, 12:35 AM
Poor little Nanook ....he must have been so uncomfortable all this time. :grouphug: Sure hope he doesn't have any more surprises stuck in there. :fingerscr Didn't the vet take xrays at some point before? If so, wonder why they didn't show up? :confused:

Rgeurts
September 22nd, 2010, 12:41 AM
Poor little Nanook ....he must have been so uncomfortable all this time. :grouphug: Sure hope he doesn't have any more surprises stuck in there. :fingerscr Didn't the vet take xrays at some point before? If so, wonder why they didn't show up? :confused:


She did. She took x-rays and said she couldn't see anything, that was last Monday. She did say that socks often don't show up as they always seem to blend in with the organs. They took 12 x-rays with Barrium yesterday and didn't see the sock. They also did an ultrasound. The girl who did it said it looked like there may be something there, but she wouldn't "hang her hat" on it. :shrug:

You would think with all those tests, they would have seen it. The specialist called our vet after reviewing all the tests today and said it looked as though there was a foreign object there. The vet said key word is "was" and told him he pooped it out! She's quite sure it isn't the cause of all the distress though. They also ran a Trypsin test (she had suspicions a couple of weeks ago) and he came up deficient. Doesn't seem like that would be good news, but it was wonderful for us! At least we have somewhere to start now for treatment :D

TeriM
September 22nd, 2010, 12:41 AM
Glad he pooped out the sock :thumbs up hopefully that will help him feel much better :fingerscr.

Rainbow, lots of times the soft stuff doesn't show on an xray and often needs an ultrasound to show as a blockage.