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A Very Real Dilemma

TwinTails
August 11th, 2010, 09:56 PM
Ok, so this has been on my mind for a long time, and now I am turning to my Pets Friends for some opinions.

We are going to be moving in the next couple of months. I am tired of this building, and the manager is being a donkey's rump about Byron. So rather than go to court and yadda yadda, we have found the perfect place for us. All our critters are welcome there.

However, the main reason we have stayed here is doe to Majik, my 13 year old Cyrmic (long haired Manx cat). Since she was 1 year old, she's had a urination problem - she pees on everything, everywhere, etc. I've had her since she was a mere 8 weeks old. We've gone to countless vets over the years, and all have agreed that it's simply a behavior issue, and not medical. Now though, she can not control her bladder very well, and needs to be within 3 feet of a cat pan at all times (otherwise it is all over the place).

We have had to trash many things - clothing, furniture, items, blankets, books, etc, all due to her peeing on them. The last straw was the couch we just tossed. It was soaked to the point that it stank to high heavens. No matter what we used to clean it, the urine was soaked in for good.

We've taken her to vets recently, to rule out any health issues. I don't know all the tests that they did, as it was at the Vet Tech hospital at the university (aka they did tests for free so the students could gain practical application experience). The main vet there told us that she is perfectly healthy barring bladder weakness. He didn't say anything else other than that.

Now the place we want to move to is newer, smaller by a bedroom and we would prefer to keep it clean. Majik is currently confined to the spare room here. She doesn't interact with the other cats (in fact she hates them and they hate her). She will only come out if there is no cat food in her dish. She will only use the cat pan if it is right beside her, otherwise she goes right on the floor.

We have always used the same scent/type of cat litter (extra scented clumping), since she was young. She has no issues using the pan if it is right beside her - if she has to walk more than a couple of feet, she will just go on the floor. The other cats use all of the boxes, regardless of where they are. We have tried all sorts of litters for her, she will use anything providing it is within reach.

We had tried a few times to place her with family members. However she ended up starving herself by not eating, becoming lethargic and depressed. After a year (the longest time with my parents and siblings), I took her back. She was fine briefly, but then started the urination and deification around the house.

She was raised around other animals of all sorts, and never had much issue (she'd basically ignore them). I know the tension between her and the others is a big factor in all of this.

I've had her 13 years, and it's getting to the point that there is only one option for her. I refuse to dump her with anyone else, as I've worked in rescue myself long enough to know what they go through. I don't want to try to place her with strangers, since she's so darn attached to me. She was my first cat, and I want to do right by her. The new place means she will have no place for privacy, as well as the fact that we can not have any animal making those kind of messes in the place.

We've stayed in this place now for 5 years for her (1 year prior because we thought it was nice). It's overrun with drugs, violence, etc. We're tired of it. We want and need to move to a healthier place.

But I feel so bad and wrong about this. I know the best thing is euthanasia with her people holding her as she crosses the rainbow bridge. But I feel so bad that she's alive and relatively healthy. It seems a waste, but who would be kind to an aging soul with bathroom issues? Who would she be happy with, when she only wants to be with me?

I'm very conflicted. I have about 2 months to figure it out. I can't keep living like this :( The photos are of her over the past 5 years. Sorry for this being so long :shrug:

luckypenny
August 11th, 2010, 10:16 PM
We've taken her to vets recently, to rule out any health issues. I don't know all the tests that they did, as it was at the Vet Tech hospital at the university (aka they did tests for free so the students could gain practical application experience). The main vet there told us that she is perfectly healthy barring bladder weakness. He didn't say anything else other than that.

Can you call and ask for all the tests that were run and have them fax/email you the results?

TwinTails
August 11th, 2010, 10:18 PM
I did ask them last month, but the program is closed now until the new semester opens :(

Goldfields
August 11th, 2010, 10:22 PM
I don't want to make it harder for you but what a beautiful cat. Those gorgeous green eyes, wow! Could you at least try her in your new place before you make a decision?

TwinTails
August 11th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Thank you Goldfields :) She is a beautiful girl, and I do love her so much.

Honestly I don't think we'd move if we decided to not do "that". She'd no longer have her personal space like now (we're in a 2 bedroom, she has 1/2 of the master bedroom, we have the small room). She'd be in everyone's living space at all times (her weakness is peeing on anything fabric, plastic or crinkles). The place is newly carpeted, etc. All animals must be approved before you move in, and unfortunately she would not be approved due to her issues :( It's so very frustrating and heart wrenching :(

luckypenny
August 11th, 2010, 10:33 PM
They didn't send you the results when you asked last month? Did you take Majik?

TwinTails
August 11th, 2010, 10:35 PM
Yes we went. I left a message and never heard back. I will call them again tomorrow in case they just forgot.

luckypenny
August 11th, 2010, 10:40 PM
Yes, keep calling TT. The offices are still open and someone should be able to give you all the test results. I wouldn't give up on Majik just yet until you have all the information, ok?

TwinTails
August 11th, 2010, 10:50 PM
Will do ;)

Goldfields
August 11th, 2010, 10:51 PM
It is kinder that you do the hard thing than have her unhappy, yet for you to be happy, and more importantly, safe, you need to do the hard thing. A terrible situation. Big hugs, and I hope someone has a solution for you.

cassiek
August 11th, 2010, 11:45 PM
I can't offer much advice, just wanted to send some warm wishes your way.

This is a difficult decision. I agree with LP to see if you can find out more information first before making any permanent decisions.

I really don't know what to tell you... :( if you were moving somewhere with 2 bedrooms I would suggest taking the 2nd bedroom and removing any carpet and laying down laminate, so at least the messes would be easier to clean up, and you could keep the place relatively hygenic. But your in a tough situation.

Best of luck and keep us posted.

TwinTails
August 12th, 2010, 12:06 AM
Thank you :) Gary and I are talking about it. We're going to talk to some family members and see if anyone may be willing to take her in for a while, see if she's ok with that.

Ideally we'd have a 2 bedroom, but the rents here for 2 bedrooms are nearly double what we are paying now (that puts us over our monthly income). When we moved in here, it was dirt cheap. It's still cheaper, but in the grand scheme of things, totally not worth it.

But we will see what the vet says, and do some serious thinking before anything is done. I don't want to just be rid of her, she's my oldest baby, the one who got me through so much as a teenager. I only want to do right by her :)

sugarcatmom
August 12th, 2010, 07:34 AM
We have always used the same scent/type of cat litter (extra scented clumping), since she was young.

One thing I'd highly recommend is switching litters. Scented litter is a big no-no in my books. Even if it doesn't solve the peeing problem, it will be better for everyone's health.

Floppy Dog
August 12th, 2010, 12:26 PM
I can't really give you any advice, just a lot of support. :grouphug:

G-Man and I have talked many times about what might happen with our pets. We made the decision that for us, it's a quality of life over quantity of life issue. If we can choose medical treatment options or lifestyle changes that work for our pets and still give them quality of life, then we will. If we can't, then we've already decided that the best thing for our pets would be to put them down. I made a concious decision not to medicate my 13 year old cat when she had thyroid problems because giving her a pill was way harder on both of us than dealing with the thyroid problem. Yes, it probably shortened her life, but for the 3-1/2 years she lived after that, she didn't have to go through twice daily pilling, which would have been more traumatic.

Bottom line, we are adult human beings so we have the reasoning and emotional capacity to make tough decisions and live with the consequences of those decisions. Our pets live in the now, all they have is today. If they have a poor quality today, then they have a poor quality life. So, the question really is, what are Majik's todays going to be like.

Whatever your decision, we will all be here to hold your cyber hands and give you a cyber shoulder to cry on if you need it.

Luvmypitgirls
August 13th, 2010, 12:44 PM
TT I wish I knew the solution for your dilemma. All I can do is tell you that whatever decision you come to, I support you 100%.
:grouphug:

TwinTails
August 13th, 2010, 01:33 PM
Thanks everyone :) We have an appointment on Monday with the vet, as he wants to discuss something and didn't want to talk about it on the phone. I will be discussing some options with him, depending on what he wants to talk about.

Luvmypitgirls
August 13th, 2010, 05:12 PM
Thanks everyone :) We have an appointment on Monday with the vet, as he wants to discuss something and didn't want to talk about it on the phone. I will be discussing some options with him, depending on what he wants to talk about.

Hopefully something can be done, and if not TT, you did your best and Majik has had a life of love with you. Whatever happens, whatever you decide after meeting with your vet, remember we are all here for ya.
~hugs~

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 01:26 PM
We had a vet appointment about Majik, last Monday. It wasn't good news in the least :( She is full of cancer :( It has spread all throughout her lungs :( Vet said she isn't uncomfortable, but will be soon as it begins to inhibit her breathing. I have spent all week trying to figure out what to do. Sadly, the only real option for her is humane euthy :( I feel so damned horrible about it, but the vet did assure me that we would be doing her a kind favor, before she gets too sick to enjoy life. I don't know, it still feels so unreal to me :(

mastifflover
August 25th, 2010, 02:04 PM
Tara you will do what is right you do not want Majik to suffer I know you would never be able to live with yourself if Majik was in pain and you let it go on and could have stopped it. It is one of the hardest things we as pet owners have to do but we can't be selfish when it comes to this. Be brave and when the time comes you will do the right thing

Love4himies
August 25th, 2010, 02:16 PM
Is this the same cat who was healthy at the beginning of the thread?

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 02:17 PM
Thank you Robin, I know what I have to do. It's horrible, I wish I had known sooner that something was amiss :(

L4H yes, it's the same girl. Unfortunately she wasn't as healthy as everyone thought :(

Love4himies
August 25th, 2010, 02:30 PM
Awww, I am so sorry :( :grouphug:

luckypenny
August 25th, 2010, 02:32 PM
What tests did the vet run on Monday to confirm her diagnosis?

What did the original vet tell you about the results of her tests 1.5 months ago? Didn't he say she was perfectly healthy :confused:?

Frenchy
August 25th, 2010, 02:42 PM
I don't know, it still feels so unreal to me :(

sorry TT but it seems unreal to me too. Not even a month ago they run all those tests and said Majic was healthy and now suddenly she's full of cancer ? What happens to the results of the first tests , did you show them to the vet you saw this week ? Something is not quite right ? :confused: also , the pee and poop problems have been there for years you said ? If it was cancer , she would have been having other health problems and , much sooner.

Winston
August 25th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Wow now I am totally confused? Did Majik see a vet a month ago or not? It seems unlikely she would be full of Cancer in a month?

I may not understand things but how does the vet do a physical exam and say one animal is full of Cancer? Sorry TT just dont understand??

Cindy

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 02:45 PM
LP & Frenchy, I was under the assumption that she was perfectly healthy when she had all those tests done last time. The vet tech said she appeared healthy but would that they be running additional tests. Monday was to tell me the details of the results of her tests. I wasn't in a stable emotional mood to hear everything he said in regards to the test results, but the bottom line is she has cancer, it's in her lungs and will soon make her very uncomfortable. She's lost weight (she was 7lbs at Christmas, is 4.5 lbs now), and is sleeping all the time. The vet (same vet throughout the whole process), said that her extreme incontinence may be a result of her body wearing down trying to fight the illness. Basically she's exhausted (and sleeping so much) that she may not realize that she has lost her bowels or bladder.

Obviously I was sorely mistaken by what the vet said originally. To me it sounded like she was perfectly healthy :( I feel horrible that I didn't go see him or call him again sooner, to hear what he had to say.

Not sure how long Majik has, but we are keeping her as comfortable as we can. She's getting spoiled with all kinds of foods (chicken is her favorite), as much canned food as she wants, etc. She's sleeping in the bedroom with us, so she is away from the other pets. She's peed on our bed a few times, so I put one of those plastic bed liners on it for now. She doesn't seem aware of a whole lot, I have to put her nose right on her food, otherwise she bites me, lol.

I am kicking myself in the bottom right now. All the other kids have vet appointments in 2 weeks to check for everything, just in case. I would hate to have this happen to another of my babies because I was too busy with my own life to notice something was off with one of them :(

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 02:49 PM
Wow now I am totally confused? Did Majik see a vet a month ago or not? It seems unlikely she would be full of Cancer in a month?

I may not understand things but how does the vet do a physical exam and say one animal is full of Cancer? Sorry TT just dont understand??

Cindy

Winston, she had a vet appointment 6-7 weeks ago, and had all sorts of tests run on her. I thought it was the vet who said she was perfectly healthy, but it was actually a tech, who said she appeared healthy but that they would be running all sorts of tests.

The appointment was to simply talk to the vet about Majik's results, and he told us that she has cancer.

Winston
August 25th, 2010, 02:53 PM
TT I am sorry but I dont know of any vet who is going to just arbitrarily run testsd on her and then get back to you in 6-7 weeks? Does it take that long because they are students or people in training?

TT this is my opinion and my opinion only but if they didnt know your cat had Cancer and in 1 month she is full of it then I am not going to have much confidence in their words when they say she is suffering! If she can tell when she is eliminating her body fluids and she bites you when trying to feed her and she is only 4.5 pounds it sounds like Majik is suffering. I am sorry if that hurts you but that is my opinion from the info you have provided.

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 03:00 PM
No, it was me delaying getting back to them. I've been busy and didn't think there was anything wrong with her. It wasn't until LP told me to call them and get the test results back that they wanted me to come in and talk with the vet. It's my fault for being lazy about getting back to them :(

I know she's suffering. I see it in her eyes and what she tells me. I've been talking to my family about it and everyone has agreed to come with us when she goes to the bridge. They have been in her life since she was a wee kitten, and as much as it hurts, I know it's the right thing.

Hubby and I have delayed the idea of moving for now, as it feels like the only reason we'd be moving is because she is gone. In the mean time, my other kids are getting checked out at another vet just in case. I am thinking I will have Majik checked by another vet as well, for a second opinion. I know she's not doing well, but I'd like to be sure before anything else happens.

So I gotta run, going to call our regular vet and see if we can get in today if possible. Hopefully by Friday or Saturday if not today.

Frenchy
August 25th, 2010, 03:04 PM
So I gotta run, going to call our regular vet and see if we can get in today if possible. Hopefully by Friday or Saturday if not today.

Bring all the previous tests results to your vet to help him diagnose.

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 03:06 PM
Thanks Frenchy, I have an appointment tomorrow AM. :fingerscr that they will be able to give me more information that makes sense!

luckypenny
August 25th, 2010, 03:06 PM
The main vet there told us that she is perfectly healthy barring bladder weakness. He didn't say anything else other than that.

Winston, she had a vet appointment 6-7 weeks ago, and had all sorts of tests run on her. I thought it was the vet who said she was perfectly healthy, but it was actually a tech, who said she appeared healthy but that they would be running all sorts of tests.

Most vets will tell you what tests they run to confirm a diagnosis and share the results with clients. Did your vet not do this on Monday? If need be, I'd be more than willing to contact a friend that works there to help get you the results. You should bring them along with her if you're going to another vet for a second opinion.

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 03:08 PM
Most vets will tell you what tests they run to confirm a diagnosis and share the results with clients. Did your vet not do this? If need be, I'd be more than willing to contact a friend that works there to help get you the results. You should bring them along with her if you're going to another vet for a second opinion.

Thanks LP :) I emailed Byron's trainer, who is a vet tech, and she is having the information faxed to both myself and our regular vet. I should be getting it soon ;)

chico2
August 25th, 2010, 04:36 PM
TT,I am so sorry,Majik is such a beautiful girl:(

Luvmypitgirls
August 25th, 2010, 05:37 PM
TT, sorry to hear about majik. Hopefully your reg vet can help you with a plan to keep her comfortable until it's time to let her go. :grouphug:

cpietra16
August 25th, 2010, 05:38 PM
TT, I just read your thread and what a roller coaster you've been on!!!!
I don't know what to tell you, but I know you will make the right decision once you get all the information.
But as far as peeing goes, you can always put diapers on. I put one of my cats in premi-diapers. It really worked for him.
I'm sorry you are going thru this.:(

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 06:15 PM
Thanks everyone :) For right now we are waiting until the normal vet can give us some answers.

luckypenny
August 25th, 2010, 06:26 PM
How is Majik doing this evening TT :goodvibes:? Did you originally get a referral or did you just call to make the appointment? Did you go to get the diagnosis on Monday? Did the trainer/vet tech fax you the results yet :fingerscr?

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 06:34 PM
How is Majik doing this evening TT :goodvibes:? Did you originally get a referral or did you just call to make the appointment? Did you go to get the diagnosis on Monday? Did the trainer/vet tech fax you the results yet :fingerscr?

Majik is doing very well :D She's actually playful tonight ;) With the vet, I had Byron neutered there earlier this year, and they offered to run any blood work on my oldest cat for practice. I went there on Monday to talk to the vet. My trainer faxed the results to my regular vet, and of course I forgot my fax is out of toner, but I called our vet and they confirmed that they have all the papers, results, etc. So tomorrow at 8AM we're taking Maji in :)

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Hmm, I have a bit of a question. I've been reading about lung cancer in cats, and it says that they usually have a cough? Majik hasn't ever had a cough. Occasionally she will have a hairball, but that is about once or twice a year. Otherwise no cough. Could that mean the diagnosis is wrong?

luckypenny
August 25th, 2010, 07:00 PM
Could that mean the diagnosis is wrong?

TT, everything seems wrong about your experiences so I certainly wouldn't be trusting a diagnosis at this point :shrug:. Could the trainer/vet tech not even tell you what tests were run to confirm the diagnosis if she has the results in hand? They don't have a vet clinic open to the public so that struck me as odd as well. I spoke with my friend earlier to see if she could give me some ideas to help you and Majik and she told me that vets don't do consultations from the campus and that there haven't been any vets on-site for the past couple of weeks...rotating vets from outside clinics come in to teach several of the clinical classes but that doesn't begin until next week. Is it possible you're not getting the right information? Are you sure you saw a real vet on Monday? She was pretty bewildered with the info I provided her.

Please let us know what the real vet says tomorrow. It would be a shame if Majik has an illness that could be treated but is suffering because of this confusion.

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 08:37 PM
TT, everything seems wrong about your experiences so I certainly wouldn't be trusting a diagnosis at this point . Could the trainer/vet tech not even tell you what tests were run to confirm the diagnosis if she has the results in hand? They don't have a vet clinic open to the public so that struck me as odd as well. I spoke with my friend earlier to see if she could give me some ideas to help you and Majik and she told me that vets don't do consultations from the campus and that there haven't been any vets on-site for the past couple of weeks...rotating vets from outside clinics come in to teach several of the clinical classes but that doesn't begin until next week. Is it possible you're not getting the right information? Are you sure you saw a real vet on Monday? She was pretty bewildered with the info I provided her.

:frustrated: I decided to call our vet again, and ask who's charts/information was faxed to them. It's Byron's. I called my friend/trainer and she confirmed, she faxed Byron's information to our vet.

:yell: I don't know WTF is going on :yell:

I will get answers tomorrow :frustrated: I'm pretty pissed right now. Someone's yanking my chain :mad:
:mad::yell::frustrated::wall:

luckypenny
August 25th, 2010, 08:49 PM
From where did your trainer get the results :confused:?

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 08:52 PM
From where did your trainer get the results :confused:?

Hell if I know :frustrated: I know she was one of the techs that worked with Byron during his surgery. I will call her tomorrow and find out what the hell is going on. I don't understand this at all :frustrated: :wall:

14+kitties
August 25th, 2010, 10:58 PM
:confused: Oy!! I am officially confused and confuzzled. Doesn't take much but....... I don't see how a cat that has been incontinent for 12 years now has a diagnosis of lung cancer without any of the usual testing. :shrug:
I agree someone is yanking chains.

TwinTails
August 25th, 2010, 11:09 PM
I am wondering if someone decided to play an elaborate hoax on us...Wouldn't put it past some people :rolleyes: I don't know what is going on, but I am officially done with the person who offered all this information. Thankfully it's not my trainer, she's very upfront and honest with everyone. Still, I will find out what is going on tomorrow. I feel like such a dork. On Monday we just chatted in front of the Animal Health unit, since it was "so nice" outside. Just paint a giant LOSER sign on my head :wall:

Love4himies
August 26th, 2010, 06:44 AM
Could they have gotten two cats mixed up???

marko
August 26th, 2010, 09:46 AM
Because we don't know if this is a hoax, upon requestm i have removed the clinic's name from every post.

Thx - Marko

chico2
August 26th, 2010, 11:17 AM
OMG.....what a mess:confused:

14+kitties
August 26th, 2010, 12:34 PM
My question would be why would a reputable university or anyone closely associated with it play that big of a hoax on anyone? Especially with the way everyone wants to sue everyone else these days. :shrug:

Luvmypitgirls
August 26th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Could they have gotten two cats mixed up???

I was wondering the same thing. If they did happen to mix two cats up, they really owe you an apology for all the mental anguish.
What a strange situation.

TwinTails
August 26th, 2010, 02:50 PM
Well our appointment well very well this morning. Our regular vet took some x-rays, listened to her breathing and found nothing. Her lungs are clear and her breathing is normal. She's acting fine today. I did ask him about the urination and defecation issues, so we considering trying amitriptyline (thanks to AG for mentioning this to me). The vet is doing some blood panels (I think that's what they call it?), to check for anything out of the ordinary. I'm not exactly sure what they are looking for, but I just told him to check for whatever he thinks is needed.

No one knows what is going on with the other place. I wondered myself if they had mistaken my girl for another. I talked to my trainer about it and she is confused as well. So, for now I am taking it as no harm done. I don't know how long the blood work takes to be done, but I am hoping soon. For now, just knowing that Majik does not appear to have Cancer is such a blessing, and I am not worrying so much about anything else :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes:

TwinTails
August 26th, 2010, 08:31 PM
So, I got a bit more info regarding what is going on. The person whom I thought was the vet was actually a vet tech, who met me up at the college - she met me there as she thought I was someone else just driving through the city. Majik apparently has a friend named Magic, who is an old tabby, very similar to my Majik. The vet tech called me this afternoon, apologizing to me regarding everything. My kitty is fine, no health issues that we know of (my reg vet is doing blood work to see if there is any reason for her urination issues). So, no hoax, but major mix ups on a few people's parts, including myself. From now on I will only be going to my regular vet. I do plan on having Byron's tooth surgery at the college, since they did his neuter.

Thank you everyone who has offered support and suggestions! I am pleased to finally say this is resolved and I don't think Majik has any issues. We will try the amitriptyline once we talk to the vet again, and I am hoping it will help :)

Though I must say, when chaos knocks on your door, be sure to check the peep hole first!

BrownEyedGirl
August 26th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Oh my gosh, you poor dears! <<hugs>>

TwinTails
August 26th, 2010, 09:12 PM
Oh my gosh, you poor dears! <<hugs>>

Thank you :) I feel absolutely horrible for the cat that is ill :(

14+kitties
August 26th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Majik apparently has a friend named Magic, who is an old tabby, very similar to my Majik.

Wow!! What's the odds of that happening!!!

TwinTails
August 26th, 2010, 10:33 PM
Wow!! What's the odds of that happening!!!

You know, it's not the first time :laughing: When she was a kitten, and I had her spayed, there was another brown tabby around her age named Magic, getting spayed ;) Good thing my girl is a Cymric, otherwise we may have ended up with the wrong kitty! :eek:

Luvmypitgirls
August 27th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Wow. Well I'm glad it all worked out in the end and that your Majik, is cancer free. What a nightmare eh?

TwinTails
August 27th, 2010, 12:58 PM
A complete nightmare. I feel good knowing that Maji is ok though, she's my baby and I would hate to have done something unnecessary. She still has her bad days, when I have to help her eat (I think it's either her eye sight going, or her eagerness to chow down, she doesn't seem to see the food unless it's right under her nose). I am going to try preemie diapers to see if that helps at all, as well as medication if our vet thinks it will help. We will see how things go with all of that :)