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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Humans!

BusterBoo
June 28th, 2010, 06:12 PM
How do you train a human??? :wall:

Buster and I walk pretty much every night...I keep him close, he is getting soooo much better, still lunges at big dogs, wags his tail and sniffs at small dogs. All is good except...

there is ONE house that has a little boy (cute as a button!!), about 2 yrs old and Daddy is outside most evenings. First time we met...little boy ran down driveway...to sidewalk, arms out stretched to give Buster a big Hug. I explained to Daddy that it wasn't a good idea to let little boy run up to little (or big) dogs....laughing, arms waving etc etc. Daddy agreed the first few times but tonight, he got pi$$ed at me and Buster!

Apparently after 3 or 4 times, my dog should be willing to let this little one run up and love him totally. I was informed that I have a vicious dog, that needs training, because Buster barked at the little guy when he scared Buster. Buster was not barking vicious...just a warning bark and I had complete control of him. The little guy has petted Buster before but only after Daddy had the kid under control :laughing:

So..now...I will change our normal routine, walk earlier, walk later, different route. :(

hhmmmm Daddy never ONCE told his little guy Don't touch the dog!

:frustrated:

:shrug:

Luvmypitgirls
June 28th, 2010, 06:23 PM
I wouldn't change a thing, except that when you get to this guys house keep moving forward, don't slow down, don't acknowledge the kid whatsoever, just keep Buster moving forward.
This man needs to learn to keep his kid under control and teach him proper "dog habits". How about not letting his toddler run toward the street period, that's how kids get hit by cars.
You and Buster shouldn't have to change your routine, force this father to change his.:)

Rgeurts
June 28th, 2010, 06:47 PM
You and Buster shouldn't have to change your routine, force this father to change his.:)

Amen! I wouldn't change a thing :D

Frenchy
June 28th, 2010, 07:31 PM
I hope you won't have to change your routine Busterboo , it wouldn't be fair for you and Buster :frustrated:

ditto on what LMPG said :thumbs up

Dee-O-Gee
June 28th, 2010, 07:36 PM
Ditto for my opinion too! :thumbs up

Especially if Buster enjoys the route you currently take him on.

I've tried to switch up our route and it just got Gryphon & Mollie all in kerfuffle. Gryphon was at a loss when he didn't see his befriended telephone pole! :D

BusterBoo
June 28th, 2010, 08:12 PM
Thanks! You are all right, i shouldn't change Buster's routine, Daddy and the kid will have to learn.

Buster loves his route because we always stop in at "Sacha's" to say hi. Buster actually starts whining about 5 houses from Sacha's...he loves his little buddy! Sacha is a 6 lb 1.5 yr old rescue maltese who is afraid of his own shadow but has started letting Buster sniff and greet.....it has taken about 2 months, but we can now stand in the same driveway :thumbs up

I just need to make sure Daddy and the kid understand that not all dogs want hugs from strangers :p

Stupid, Stupid Humans :clown:

14+kitties
June 28th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Maybe print out some information for the father on teaching his child how to behave around dogs. It sounds like he just does not know he is doing both Buster and his child an injustice by not teaching his child properly. It's too bad we have to change the way we do things to make others happy.

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/kidsdog2.html

http://www.ehow.com/how_4584444_teach-children-behave-around-dogs.html

http://www.training-dogs.com/blog/teach-your-children-how-to-behave-around-dogs.html

Goldfields
June 28th, 2010, 11:34 PM
I just hope father's ignorance never turns it into a bad experience for this young child. Not every dog is going to be as well mannered as your Buster. We had hay delivered here the other day for our ponies and the guy we bought it off expected me to allow my dogs to play with his young daughter, because she loves doggies. Again, she might, but my dogs weren't reared with children, so I said no .... and besides, I had to shift the hay and couldn't be in two places at once. I kicked myself afterwards because one dog here would have been overjoyed to have a child to play with and I didn't think of him. Bo, the dog we sold as a pup. He was reared with kids, came back to us as a 5 year old . Well socialised and just loves everyone. Aah well, next time perhaps.
14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.

Tundra_Queen
June 29th, 2010, 02:15 AM
I would just tell the little boy not to touch Buster. People can be so stupid! :mad:

Love4himies
June 29th, 2010, 06:53 AM
I agree, don't change Buster's routine, he is not doing anything wrong.

This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children :frustrated:.

14+kitties
June 29th, 2010, 08:22 AM
14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.

You got that out of a couple of written lines? Wow! You're good!! :thumbs up
But you know what. You never know until you try. Maybe no one has ever taken the time to show him how to react around dogs. Maybe no one has taken the time to explain to him the importance of giving dogs space.
I'm not saying LMPG's advice is wrong. I am just saying maybe to try. You don't lose a thing by trying. If he isn't friendly now it's not going to change if he doesn't get talked to. But if Busterboo does have a chat with him or give him some articles to read about introducing children and dogs he may have his eyes opened. :shrug:
Education.
It's like this site. People come on and ask questions and then get up in arms if they get the answers they came looking for but they didn't get them the way they wanted to - all sugarcoated and sweet. Maybe if they opened their eyes as to what is behind our answers, trying to educate, maybe then things will start changing. Maybe. What do we have to lose by trying? A faceless entity behind a computer?
Education. It has to start somewhere.

ancientgirl
June 29th, 2010, 08:28 AM
I agree with everyone, don't change your routine. This man should realize that he needs to teach his son to be careful around all dogs. People expect the dog owner to be the only one that is careful, but they don't realize they also have to take responsibility. It's people like this guy who have their kids bitten then complain about the dog, when it could have easily been prevented had they taught their child on how to properly approach any animal.

Love4himies
June 29th, 2010, 08:34 AM
14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.

Even if he doesn't take the advice right away, it will always be in the back of his mind and maybe as he matures he may reconsider ;) and educate himself.

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 08:45 AM
I agree with 14+,,,a person may not like what or how you say something but it doesn't mean that some part of their brain doesn't retain it to be thought on later. BB i would continue taking the same route,,,if the little one approaches again,,take the lead on teaching him how to approach buster..cut him off in his tracks and explain he has to approach slowly,,hand below the height of busters head,,etc etc..if you change routes the next doggie may not be as friendly as Buster and could do damage...see now the evil part of my brain is saying charge at the kid with your arms flailing and when he cries or back up tell the father he is aggressive etc,,etc...aren't you glad i posted what the good part of my brain thought.:D

14+kitties
June 29th, 2010, 08:51 AM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: aslan - you are bad!!
Good thing I have to work today. Gotta stay out of trouble ...... maybe. :rolleyes:

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 08:54 AM
see now i would so do that to the kid just to get my point across to the father,,,hmmm maybe that's why the mods keep an eye on me..:D

14+kitties
June 29th, 2010, 08:56 AM
see now i would so do that to the kid just to get my point across to the father,,,hmmm maybe that's why the mods keep an eye on me..:D

Yep. That's the whole reason. You're crazy and they know it!! So does that make the rest of us guilty be association? :D
K, moving my butt now......... work calls........ :(

Gail P
June 29th, 2010, 09:11 AM
...see now the evil part of my brain is saying charge at the kid with your arms flailing and when he cries or back up tell the father he is aggressive etc,,etc...

and if that doesn't get the point across at least the kid will be so scared of BB that he'll never run up to Buster again :evil: :laughing:

Sew-sew-steve
June 29th, 2010, 10:25 AM
some people want you to compromise your position for the sake of their self/family's pleasure.

its stupid.
you shouldn't teach the kid though. not that it wouldnt be a good learning experience. the father sounds like a pr!ck.
some parents just dont like someone talking to their children, let alone teaching them some things.

just dont even waste your time with this guy, its useless. he sounds narrow minded and very opinionated. you'll just end up getting whatever it is that you do thrown back at you.

try a simple "ah ah!" with a "be careful" with lots of eye contact towards the kid.

hes gonna have to learn what "thats mine, not yours" means some time or another.

Goldfields
June 29th, 2010, 10:35 AM
You got that out of a couple of written lines? Wow! You're good!! :thumbs up
But you know what. You never know until you try. Maybe no one has ever taken the time to show him how to react around dogs. Maybe no one has taken the time to explain to him the importance of giving dogs space.



The OP is already being told her dog is vicious, she's already tried a few times she said to make the guy see sense. She is the one he'll be annoyed at if she hands him stuff about how to rear his child, not any of you. I'd say he'd be pretty furious if anything happened to his precious child too. I'd be walking by on the opposite side of the street. Why not walk your own dogs past so you can educate him?

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 10:38 AM
try a simple "ah ah!" with a "be careful" with lots of eye contact towards the kid.

hes gonna have to learn what "thats mine, not yours" means some time or another.

ummm that would be educating the child wouldn't it?

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 10:42 AM
Why not walk your own dogs past so you can educate him?

I would at the drop of a hat. Parents need to learn that just because little junior poopypants wants something doesn't mean he gets it. If you want your child to be treated with respect then teach your child to be respectful. I have on more than one occassion told someone " no" they can't pat my dogs,,,not because i have a fear of my dogs reaction,,but because of how the person approaches my dogs. Yeah fine my dogs are super cute,,,doesn't give you the right to come up and maul them anymore than i have the right to walk up and scoop your child up and hug the bejesus out of them.

Goldfields
June 29th, 2010, 10:53 AM
I personally think of a child of 2 not as a little junior poopypants but as a tiny human who needs protecting, and who is too young really to know or understand the risks in this situation. If the dog barked at this little child then I don't blame the man for getting uptight, and what if the warning bark becomes a bite next time? If he already thinks it vicious, do you think he'll see sense if his kid is hurt? Why put your dog in that position? I am certainly not saying she should let the child anywhere near her dog .

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 10:57 AM
but goldfields if his child wasn't rushing up at a strange dog then Buster wouldn't have barked..both of my nephew and both of my children were taught at the first possible moment the word " no"..unfortunately alot of children aren't being taught that now, they're being given everything they want or allowed to do whatever they want..The father of this child is responsible for the safety of the child,,thus teaching him,," no".. no you can't just run up to anydog,,no you can't pull the puppies ears/tail..no no no...my dogs understand no so i choose to believe a tiny human can too..it isn't BB's responsibility to teach the child,,but if the proper guardian isn't going to,,then for Busters safety it may be better that she does..why should she and buster be punished with having to alter their course at all?

Frenchy
June 29th, 2010, 11:14 AM
This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children :frustrated:.

Yep , and there's too many of them :frustrated:

Once at the vet with my golden Sam , while I was paying my bill , I turned around to see a young kid hanging from Sam's neck :frustrated: of course , Sam was an :angel: but I was so mad at the parents looking , smiling , not saying a word ... what if Sam would have bitten the child , I mean Sam was in pain , it could have happened ! It's not because it's a Golden aka cute dog that parents can let their kids do stupid things like this ! :wall:

where I lived before , kids were alway playing in the streets where I walked Bailey and Daisy , kids would come up to us running ... I was the one who had to educate them. Clearly , their parents never did tell them how to approach dogs.

Goldfields
June 29th, 2010, 11:19 AM
All you've just said Aslan shows that you know the guy isn't receptive to good advice. Do you think he wants a stranger educating his child? Of course it's up to the OP as to whether she wants that job, or is willing to put up with more animosity from the father.

mastifflover
June 29th, 2010, 11:47 AM
Originally Posted by Love4himies

This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children .

Well most do. I would not change one thing that you Buster do, too bad for them.
You have just as much right to walk where you please.

aslan
June 29th, 2010, 12:01 PM
All you've just said Aslan shows that you know the guy isn't receptive to good advice. Do you think he wants a stranger educating his child? Of course it's up to the OP as to whether she wants that job, or is willing to put up with more animosity from the father.

no all i've said shows that i think the FATHER doesn't want to educate his own child..i said i would be willing to walk my dog past his house and deal with it accordingly...it's totally up to BB whether or not she does...personal opinion...so agree to disagree.

Sew-sew-steve
June 29th, 2010, 12:35 PM
if i were you buster,
i wouldnt look for any confrontation.

its pointless.
someone said it, and it sounds like a great idea. ignore the kid. and just keep walking.
body language says a lot. maybe if you dont look at the kid, the kid wont take those extra steps that are between you and him. sometimes kids wait for your reaction to continue.

75% of communication is body language.


just, if you dont want to have to deal with it, walk on the other side of the street a few houses ahead, and then go back to the other side when you pass their house.

but then again, the kid might run accross the street, get hit by a car and then the father will you sue you. stuff like that can happen. not likely, but it can.

BenMax
June 29th, 2010, 02:08 PM
Just from personal experience, I would not provoke the encounter only because in the end, the dog may pay for the child's and father's behaviour. If anyone knows me well, they know I am so darn stubborn and would normally continue my business without making any concessions.

Just the fact that this guy says the dog is aggressive, in his mind the dog is and will always be. He sounds like an arrogant idiot and due to this, no education will help him as his ego is the size of a friggen 40 lbs smartie.

To avoid any altercation with the dog and either the man or the child, I say change your pattern. Unfortunately there are people who just don't get it, and there will altimately be a price to pay somewhere down the road.

Just my measly :2cents:

Luvmypitgirls
June 29th, 2010, 02:48 PM
I guess I'm a different breed:rolleyes: I have had a similar experience as the OP, and out of principal I didn't change my routine, my "vicious, monster dogs" still walk by our "nemisis's" house.
I figure if I have my dogs leashed and under control, I have the right to walk my dog down any street I want.
This family has a really nasty jack russell, and two kids who think its ok to run and jump on my dogs, or throw stones at them as we walk by or to scream at us.
Our first encounter, their dog charged off their property at my dogs, and bit Kato on his hind quarter. Abby, in turn barked with her hackles up, however she did not try to hurt the little dog. I must admit it took me by surprise since this dog came charging us from behind. The two kids came running and the one literally threw herself on Kato's back causing him to buckle and collapse. Ok, so I lost it, I yelled at the kid and lifted her off my dog, I also used my foot to direct her dog away, since it was still standing snarling and growling teeth bared , hackles up just out of leash range from my dogs. I collected myself and the dogs and began walking away. We were maybe 8 houses away when I heard yelling. I turned around and there were the parents and owner of the little dog coming at me, their dog running up ahead of them at us, still barking and snarling.
I put my dogs behind me, and when the little dog got closer I lunged at him with my hand out and a loud NO. The dog turned and hightailed back to his owners. The same owners who are yelling at me still, wanting to know why I put my hand on their child. I explained I lifted her off my dog because number one she hurt him, number two for her safety and number three because she mistakenly took my dog for her personal pony. They threatened to call the cops, I offered them my cell phone, they called me vulgar names, infront of their children might I add. They cursed my dogs saying I should walk them somewhere else, they don't want no "child killing Pitbulls" on their street, ohhh and "If your dogs so much as look at my kids wrong, I'll shoot em!"
I told them they should educate their children about how to approach dogs properly, begining with asking for permission from the owner, and the dangers of jumping on a dog, both to the dog and their kids. And that I will walk my dogs down any street I choose.
We walked by another time the kids didn't leave the driveway, but they threw stones at us, none hitting the dogs thankfully but one did hit me in the back of the neck. I just faced forward and kept walking.
Another time their dog came at us again, face forward kept walking, and when it became apparent that the little dog was going to try and bite again , I turned and lunged and yelled NO, Git!
Now when we walk by, face forward, keep on moving, if the kids come I just put up my hand to them and gesture stop. They don't bother us anymore. But there is no way on Earth, someone will stop me from walking where I want to walk.
I've had the occassional obsenity yelled at me from the premises, but I ignore it and keep moving forward. A few of their neighbors, smile and wave at us as we go by now. I take it this family has alienated their neighbors too.

BusterBoo
June 29th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Thanks everyone for the input! I am torn between changing my route and trying again to educate the guy. His opinion of Buster is obviously already made and that's a shame because Buster has no problem playing with my 3 yr old grandson or any other kid that comes over. Anyone who knows Buster knows that he is a typical small dog with big dog attitude until someone looks at him...then he needs to run and hide or kiss you all over :laughing:

However, I will not put myself or my dog in the line of fire. I think I will occasionally try to walk by the kid, maybe with time Daddy will learn. I will take every opportunity to educate the guy and the little one. Someone needs to teach him how to behave around dogs. I am sure I could teach the child in less than 15 minutes how to approach a dog, if only the father would be willing to learn also.

Thank goodness Buster is NOT an aggressive dog...he may be loud but he is a total wimp :rolleyes:

14+kitties
June 29th, 2010, 05:56 PM
First off - my dogs are too old to be walking anywhere. If they weren't my labx would have been a perfect dog for the little one to learn manners from. She puts up with just about anything. My little one I would never put in harms way. A two year old could kill her because of her size.
A two year old child is old enough to know the meaning of no, gentle, don't touch, etc. They are not mindless twits who can't understand anything. It is a perfect time to start teaching them the proper way to approach a dog. Just my :2cents:. :shrug:
It's the dad who needs to have a good education on letting his child approach dogs.
BB - could you put some articles in the mailbox for him to read? That way you are not putting Buster in direct contact with the child. Or, go and speak with him without Buster. See if he is willing to listen. :shrug:

Goldfields
June 29th, 2010, 09:01 PM
Luvmypitgirls, I think people like you and I who opt to own big strong dogs with reputations and the ability(note I don't say inclination) to cause real harm are a different breed to those who opt for small, sweet, gentle dogs. You could have handled that situation better if it was only the kids, or even the kids and the parents, but I reckon that Jack Russell complicated things too much. I think I'd have lost it too. :D I know that you and I could show those people how good our breeds can be with children , just not with a snapping, snarling terrier in our faces. You know, the minute that guy said Buster was vicious, I would have said "If you think that then please teach your son not to run up to him". If he genuinely thinks that, he is probably already thinking he should stop him anyway.

BusterBoo
June 30th, 2010, 11:14 AM
14+..... I think I will be taking a walk without Buster to see if I can make him understand. I might even try to convince him to get his wife out and I can walk with his wife and the kid. They would see that Buster really isn't "vicious" just vocal :)

Luvmypitgirls
June 30th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Luvmypitgirls, I think people like you and I who opt to own big strong dogs with reputations and the ability(note I don't say inclination) to cause real harm are a different breed to those who opt for small, sweet, gentle dogs. You could have handled that situation better if it was only the kids, or even the kids and the parents, but I reckon that Jack Russell complicated things too much. I think I'd have lost it too. :D I know that you and I could show those people how good our breeds can be with children , just not with a snapping, snarling terrier in our faces. You know, the minute that guy said Buster was vicious, I would have said "If you think that then please teach your son not to run up to him". If he genuinely thinks that, he is probably already thinking he should stop him anyway.

Actually, I think I handled it perfectly. The kid jumped on my dog and hurt him, and wasn't getting off, I lifted the kid up and off my dog. I wasn't gruff or shaking the kid. I am proud of Kato for taking it and not snapping at the kid in self defense.
My kids were taught from an early age how to handle and approach animals. If I were in the same situation today and a kid jumped full force on my dogs back and caused him to buckle and collapse, I would physically lift the child off my dog if that child weren't make an effort to already do so. The Jack Russell wasn't at fault, neither were the kids really, it was the parents whom have neglected to teach their children manners and how to deal with dogs. And who have neglected to teach and socialize their dog.
They called my dogs vicious not because they are, but because they recognized the breed and it was the only thing they "felt" they could use against me.
I don't feel like I'm putting myself and my dogs in the line of fire, by walking past their house either. While I still hear the occassional slur while walking by, I keep my head up and keep the pack moving forward.
Last night I had the pleasure of meeting one of their neighbors with Springers, we introduced our dogs, had a lovely chat and went on our way. No problem, no issues. If I had changed my route I wouldn't have had the pleasure of meeting someone new.
I always hope that when someone sees me walking 2 Pits somtimes 3, and my Rottie, all by myself and how well behaved and under control they are, that perhaps it will rub off on someone that perhaps otherwise doesn't work with their dogs as much as they should...:shrug:
If I let "confrontation" rule my routine, my poor dogs would be kept in the yard, never to explore the outside world. Almost everytime we go for a walk, regardless of what route we take, someone has a snide remark about my dogs just because of what they are.

mastifflover
June 30th, 2010, 03:43 PM
Good for you Luvmypitgirls I really think what you are doing is proving once again that it is not the breed but the owners. You really are educating people by walking well behaved pits and shunning the vicious dog label they have. We all know most would beat you to death with their wagging tales.

ancientgirl
June 30th, 2010, 05:16 PM
LMPG, sounds like those kids are viscous. You should video them throwing rocks at you and yelling stuff. I think you would be well within your right to file a complaint. There is no reason why if you and your pups are minding your own business, walking, you get things thrown at you. One of those rocks could one day land in your eye.

Luvmypitgirls
June 30th, 2010, 08:53 PM
Good for you Luvmypitgirls I really think what you are doing is proving once again that it is not the breed but the owners. You really are educating people by walking well behaved pits and shunning the vicious dog label they have. We all know most would beat you to death with their wagging tales.

Thank you mastifflover, mine could beat you to death with their tales, but they'd rather smother you to death with their kisses:D

LMPG, sounds like those kids are viscous. You should video them throwing rocks at you and yelling stuff. I think you would be well within your right to file a complaint. There is no reason why if you and your pups are minding your own business, walking, you get things thrown at you. One of those rocks could one day land in your eye.

I ignored the first rock that hit me, and should it happen again and they hit one of my dogs I will be calling bylaw. They are just kids, who haven't been taught better unfortunately.

Goldfields
July 1st, 2010, 12:35 AM
You weren't gruff or shaking the kid, Luvmypitgirls, yet you said

Ok, so I lost it, I yelled at the kid and lifted her off my dog

I imagine that may have scared the kid as much as her behaviour scared you. Her behaviour can't have scared your dog too much or he may have bitten her.

Just curious, are dogs allowed loose on the street in Canada? They aren't here, and any dog that lunges at people or other dogs is in trouble, and as part of educating those people I'd have told them that.....if that happened here. Doesn't really matter if it's an irresponsible owner, any dog that attacks like the JR did could be labelled dangerous here.

Anyway, I just see protective parents and protective dog owners clashing and no real bad people as such. I used to ride my grey pony stallion through town and gets stones thrown at me by naughty boys whose parents didn't teach them better, not the end of the world.

Luvmypitgirls
July 1st, 2010, 12:06 PM
You weren't gruff or shaking the kid, Luvmypitgirls, yet you said

Ok, so I lost it, I yelled at the kid and lifted her off my dog

I imagine that may have scared the kid as much as her behaviour scared you. Her behaviour can't have scared your dog too much or he may have bitten her.

Just curious, are dogs allowed loose on the street in Canada? They aren't here, and any dog that lunges at people or other dogs is in trouble, and as part of educating those people I'd have told them that.....if that happened here. Doesn't really matter if it's an irresponsible owner, any dog that attacks like the JR did could be labelled dangerous here.

Anyway, I just see protective parents and protective dog owners clashing and no real bad people as such. I used to ride my grey pony stallion through town and gets stones thrown at me by naughty boys whose parents didn't teach them better, not the end of the world.

Yes I consider yelling at the kid as losing it. I don't like to yell at children, however I told her she was lucky all she was getting was yelled at and not bitten any other dog may have and probably would have bitten her. Kato, was scared, and hurt, he has had a back issue since a pup, but he is also extremely tolerant of children, especially little ones.
Little kids can come up to him and take food right out of his mouth or put their hands in his dish, he backs away. Kids can pull on his face, his ears, use him as a pillow, lay across him when he's laying down and he'll gladly take it. That is the way he was raised and trained. I yelled because I could see the pain in his eyes. He's my baby, I can't help it.
:o

14+kitties
July 1st, 2010, 12:43 PM
I yelled because I could see the pain in his eyes. He's my baby, I can't help it.
:o

And you have no need to explain that. Anyone who loves their dogs would react the same way. :grouphug:

Luvmypitgirls
July 1st, 2010, 12:56 PM
And you have no need to explain that. Anyone who loves their dogs would react the same way. :grouphug:

Thank you:2huggers:

Goldfields
July 2nd, 2010, 04:32 AM
LMPG, You wrote earlier that

I always hope that when someone sees me walking 2 Pits somtimes 3, and my Rottie, all by myself and how well behaved and under control they are, that perhaps it will rub off on someone that perhaps otherwise doesn't work with their dogs as much as they should...

I don't think I would get the impression that your dogs were well behaved if I saw them wearing those collars you use(or had on them in the thread about taking them to the river). Are they prong or pinch collars? I have , I will admit, never seen them before in my life, but they look really wicked. This is all I ever showed my dog in. (and this is a dog aggressive breed.)
I can understand you worrying about your baby, but can't understand a kid running up to dogs with those sorts of collars attached. Makes them look formidable. I know you'll say they're great for control but really well behaved dogs don't need them, do they?

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 07:13 AM
Goldfields,,yes the collars LMPG is using is prong/pinch collars...from what i can see of the collar on your dog it is a choke chain...in all acutality the collar you use can do more damage to your dog than the pinch(which will only tighten to a certain extent).. I use a pinch on one of my dogs,,he doesn't tug,pull etc (now) it's more a reminder to him at this point. In this case it's looks can be deceiving, i have actually put a prong collar on myself and they are more uncomfortable than they are painful and only if they are tightened.

14+kitties
July 2nd, 2010, 07:33 AM
How did a thread about a small dog going for an interrupted walk turn into this? Please, if you must take it so far off track, open your own thread GF. BB came on asking for advise on how to turn a bad situation into something positive. I don't think she wanted it turned into a debate about what collar is better than the other.
I believe if you look around there are lots of threads about the pros and cons of prong/pinch collars as opposed to choke chains. In fact, I'll open one for you so BusterBoo's thread isn't highjacked any more.
Look for it under General Forum - collars - to prong or not.

mastifflover
July 2nd, 2010, 07:58 AM
I am sorry Goldfields I do not know why you are attacking LMPG but she is a responsible owner and obviously has well trained dogs. If some kid jumped on the back of my dog I have no doubt that kid would have been bitten. Besides a prong collar used properly is a great training tool. Sorry just my opinion.
How are the walks going with Buster? Because that is who this was about.

BusterBoo
July 2nd, 2010, 09:12 AM
I am sorry Goldfields I do not know why you are attacking LMPG but she is a responsible owner and obviously has well trained dogs. If some kid jumped on the back of my dog I have no doubt that kid would have been bitten. Besides a prong collar used properly is a great training tool. Sorry just my opinion.
How are the walks going with Buster? Because that is who this was about.

Thanks 14+ and Mastifflover... :) I was just sitting back reading the great debate, but that's ok.

Buster and I didn't walk last night.... too many party people outside and lots of traffic but tonight we will. I will let you know how it goes. I won't be changing Buster's routine, we will do the same route.

Luvmypitgirls
July 2nd, 2010, 03:45 PM
BusterBoo, I apologize that your thread was highjacked, I certainly didn't intend for that to happen, I was just offering my advice and my experience.
My apologies that it was taken off track.
I wish you well and hope that you and Buster have more positive experiences than negative.

Goldfields I addressed your post in a new thread, take your issue with me there.

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 06:14 PM
It's ok aslan, it's goldplated, that makes it superior!;)
She can judge all she wants, I take pride in the fact that my pack is awesome and wonderful and well balanced and still eager to learn, and they are all rescues whom I love and worship. I know what works best for my dogs, I make no apologies for my choices, they work for us.
Anyone that don't like it, don't look at my pics or read my posts....life's too short...
besides every site has to have that one person that "thinks" they are the top expert on everything....lmao.

well you know what they say about opinions...and we have the top training experts here,,LP,Tenderfoot, Bailey,Benmax,,etc..

gotta say,,i've used a prong/pinch for years and other than Bishop(whole other issue) none have ever attacked each other or anyone else's for that fact. Ask anyone who has met Qman and you won't meet a bigger marshmallow.

Luvmypitgirls
July 2nd, 2010, 06:16 PM
well you know what they say about opinions...and we have the top training experts here,,LP,Tenderfoot, Bailey,Benmax,,etc..

gotta say,,i've used a prong/pinch for years and other than Bishop(whole other issue) none have ever attacked each other or anyone else's for that fact. Ask anyone who has met Qman and you won't meet a bigger marshmallow.

Aslan, c'mon seriously ya had to say marshmallow! I've been on a crazy tuff diet for 8 weeks...ohhhhh what I wouldnt give to have a marshmallow....:cloud9:

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 06:20 PM
Aslan, c'mon seriously ya had to say marshmallow! I've been on a crazy tuff diet for 8 weeks...ohhhhh what I wouldnt give to have a marshmallow....:cloud9:

hmmmm i'm not sure if marshmallows are fattening,,,qman says no...he luffs marshmallows...

Luvmypitgirls
July 2nd, 2010, 06:22 PM
hmmmm i'm not sure if marshmallows are fattening,,,qman says no...he luffs marshmallows...

Ohhhh they be fattening alright...they are loaded with sugar...sugar is my enemy ya know...sadly appears I may have a new one too...oh well...lmao life goes on...kum-by-ya....uh huh....kum-by-ya...
gotta inject humor, otherwise the petty crap will kill ya. lmao

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 06:51 PM
ummmm i don't think you've seen a good picture of me,,,i don't seem to have an issue with sugar,,or fat or yup pretty much anything..:D

Love4himies
July 2nd, 2010, 07:18 PM
LMPG, You wrote earlier that

I always hope that when someone sees me walking 2 Pits somtimes 3, and my Rottie, all by myself and how well behaved and under control they are, that perhaps it will rub off on someone that perhaps otherwise doesn't work with their dogs as much as they should...

I don't think I would get the impression that your dogs were well behaved if I saw them wearing those collars you use(or had on them in the thread about taking them to the river). Are they prong or pinch collars? I have , I will admit, never seen them before in my life, but they look really wicked. This is all I ever showed my dog in. (and this is a dog aggressive breed.)
I can understand you worrying about your baby, but can't understand a kid running up to dogs with those sorts of collars attached. Makes them look formidable. I know you'll say they're great for control but really well behaved dogs don't need them, do they?

:eek::eek: It should not be the collar that a person should get the impression of whether the dog is aggressive or not, but the way the walker is handling the dog, and how the dog is behaving. I have seen cute pink collars on little dogs, who were ready to take a bite out of my ankle :frustrated:, totally out of control, and prong collars on large, strong dogs, who walked perfectly at their walkers side ignoring all who are walking by. I would trust the large dog before the small one ;).

mastifflover
July 2nd, 2010, 07:20 PM
Anything good is fattening face it ladies. I am an admitted sugar junkie especially chocolate.

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 07:21 PM
Anything good is fattening face it ladies. I am an admitted sugar junkie especially chocolate.

and she too is skinny as a rake.:rolleyes:

Love4himies
July 2nd, 2010, 07:22 PM
Anything good is fattening face it ladies. I am an admitted sugar junkie especially chocolate.

Ahhhhhhh, chocolate is the best.

Marko, we really need a drooly smiley :p

Love4himies
July 2nd, 2010, 07:23 PM
and she too is skinny as a rake.:rolleyes:

:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: Life is just not fair. :yell:

aslan
July 2nd, 2010, 07:24 PM
:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: Life is just not fair. :yell:

but but,,,we skinny folks freeze to death in the winter,,,

BB how did the walk go tonight,,,sorry for the threadjack.

mastifflover
July 2nd, 2010, 07:37 PM
but but,,,we skinny folks freeze to death in the winter,,..

Yes I do freeze and I am not skinny as a rake. Yes I am thin luckily because I do have a sugar addiction. Good metabolisim thanks to mom

Goldfields
July 2nd, 2010, 09:06 PM
:eek::eek: It should not be the collar that a person should get the impression of whether the dog is aggressive or not, but the way the walker is handling the dog, and how the dog is behaving. I have seen cute pink collars on little dogs, who were ready to take a bite out of my ankle :frustrated:, totally out of control, and prong collars on large, strong dogs, who walked perfectly at their walkers side ignoring all who are walking by. I would trust the large dog before the small one ;).

Funny how everyone bar me gets to threadjack, isn't it? :D I on the other hand would not be worried by dogs that can only bite my ankle.

BusterBoo
July 2nd, 2010, 09:08 PM
Enough with the chocolate and marshmellows.....geeezzzzz......now I am drooling :)

We did the walk and no one was home. I am thinking it's a long weekend and maybe they are away. Not to worry, I will definitely address the issue as soon as I can. I am going on holidays end of next week, so it could take a while before I meet up with Daddy and little guy.

Now bring on the sugar! :crazy:

BusterBoo
July 2nd, 2010, 09:10 PM
but but,,,we skinny folks freeze to death in the winter,,..

Yes I do freeze and I am not skinny as a rake. Yes I am thin luckily because I do have a sugar addiction. Good metabolisim thanks to mom

I think you and me have the same problem and people are just SOOOO JEALOUS!!! :crazy::crazy:

Good metabolism, clean living and positive attitude....hhmmmm ok....well....good metabolism is a start :)

14+kitties
July 2nd, 2010, 10:17 PM
Funny how everyone bar me gets to threadjack, isn't it? :D I on the other hand would not be worried by dogs that can only bite my ankle.

Maybe it's the way others threadjack. :shrug:

Luvmypitgirls
July 2nd, 2010, 11:18 PM
Funny how everyone bar me gets to threadjack, isn't it? :D I on the other hand would not be worried by dogs that can only bite my ankle.

Guess I can just be thankful that my dogs wouldn't bite a human period.:D

Luvmypitgirls
July 2nd, 2010, 11:19 PM
Maybe it's the way others threadjack. :shrug:

Amen! Thank you! Well said my friend, very well said!
Ooops there I go threadjackin'....sowwy BusterBoo...so sowwy.:o

Goldfields
July 2nd, 2010, 11:32 PM
Guess I can just be thankful that my dogs wouldn't bite a human period.:D
I have never heard of any cattle dog killing anyone, LMPG , can you say the same about pits and rotties??:D And you did ask for that. We both know our breeds are good dogs in the right hands.

14+kitties
July 3rd, 2010, 09:07 AM
Ok, time to drop this silliness. If you want to start bringing up statistics this is NOT the place for it! Open your own thread. It can be debated there. Sorry to be so blunt but please stop trying to cause trouble.

aslan
July 3rd, 2010, 09:43 AM
I have never heard of any cattle dog killing anyone, LMPG , can you say the same about pits and rotties??:D And you did ask for that. We both know our breeds are good dogs in the right hands.

There does this make you happy www.kens5.com/home/Cattle-dog-nearly-kills-2-year-old-boy-neighbors-fighting-over-who-is-responsible-94367739.html

now as 14+ said please give it up and move on,,it is becoming unpleasant having to deal with this crap in every thread.

mastifflover
July 3rd, 2010, 01:57 PM
Lets face it any dog can kill, a pomerainian killed a baby. I am sure if you did massive searches you could find instances where almost every breed has killed. No can we grow up and stop being so petty and picking fights just for the sake of it.

Luvmypitgirls
July 3rd, 2010, 06:25 PM
I have never heard of any cattle dog killing anyone, LMPG , can you say the same about pits and rotties??:D And you did ask for that. We both know our breeds are good dogs in the right hands.

Seriously, Goldfields, do me a favor, take your crap elsewhere, you bore me.:D

Love4himies
July 3rd, 2010, 06:39 PM
I think you and me have the same problem and people are just SOOOO JEALOUS!!! :crazy::crazy:

Good metabolism, clean living and positive attitude....hhmmmm ok....well....good metabolism is a start :)

I know I friggin am :yell: :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: :mad: :mad:. And no, no smilies afterwards, I am truly jealous. :yell:

Carnac
July 3rd, 2010, 06:50 PM
This thread has run its course and is now closed.