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Euthanize or dump?

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 04:54 PM
So a recent thread and an article I ran across while googling a while ago has got me thinking.....
If you have to give up your dog/cat for any reason (or you just want to dump it) do you feel it better to take dog/cat to a shelter or to the vet to have it humanely euthanized?
Just curious as to people's reactions.
In my situation I am praying I am around long enough to see each of mine live a long and happy life. But the powers that be sometimes have different ideas. I can't imagine ever having to give any of them up.

Melinda
June 22nd, 2010, 04:59 PM
it would depend on the animal I suppose, an elderly pet say at the end of its life that is on expensive meds, I'd have humanely put down. a young animal I'd probably call a rescue I work with. But if you also mean if something happened to hubs and I and the dog was left without us, its in our will where Brina and Timothy will live and a certain amount of money is left for their care

chico2
June 22nd, 2010, 05:05 PM
14+,that's a very difficult question:(
If I was an animal,I probably would say,ok dump me you jerk,I'll take my chances,I want to live:cat::dog:
I would think,anyone heartless enough to dump an animal,or leave him behind when they move,have absolutely no feelings for that animal,just don't care,I doubt they would spend the money to have him killed.
I don't want any healthy animal to be killed,but I know I am living in La-La-Land:(

aslan
June 22nd, 2010, 05:31 PM
only once have i ever had to leave an animal behind..We had two large breed dogs and when my ex and I split I left my old boy with my ex so as to not disrupt his life in his old age any more than was neccessary. He died at the ripe old age of 19 at home with his kitty and pupper siblings at his side. Today I would do the same thing again. I would do my best to make sure that my friend had the best home possible or change my plans to move.

Rgeurts
June 22nd, 2010, 05:40 PM
Such a tough question. I thikn it really depends on the situation/animal. For example, our oldest dog Thorin. He is the sweetest dog I've ever owned. He wouldn't harm a hair on our heads and when hubby is away on business, he sleeps in hubbys spot. He's my giant stuffy. However, when it comes to anyone else, he isn't the nicest dog. We went about it wrong and didn't socialize him at all. We can't even board him as he won't eat or drink while we're gone (tried once and he almost died). I think he would have to be put down. :(

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 05:58 PM
I think what I'm getting at is that how many people would dump in a shelter if they knew the cat/dogs' chances of being adopted was very very small. The older the pet the less the chance? Dogs already have a much better chance at being adopted than cats (according to the stats from our local shelter) but that still isn't good. It is truly beyond my comprehension how anyone can take a pet they have looked after (and supposedly loved) to a shelter and not look back. :(
As Melinda said - finding a rescue would be a much better answer but - coming from BenMax and my personal knowledge - rescues are filled to overflowing. I know personally with 36 kitties the most I could handle is maybe four more. Maybe..... Even at that the introductions would have to be over a long period of time. If I had a larger area that I could use (hubby would shoot me) and financial help I could take more. C'mon big lottery win!!! :fingerscr
But it kills me to think of the number of animals that are turned in at shelters or, worse, dumped in the country to become someone else's problem or coyote bait. It kills me I can't do more.

Rgeurts
June 22nd, 2010, 06:21 PM
I know personally with 36 kitties the most I could handle is maybe four more. It kills me I can't do more.

Unfortunately, you can't save them all. You should be very proud, and the rest of us very thankful for what you have already done. 36 kitties is a HUGE responsibility. You're an :angel: :)

NoahGrey
June 22nd, 2010, 06:58 PM
I wouldn't classify going to a shelter and surrender your pet "dumping" it. I would call it a responsible pet owner, at least they are giving their pet a second chance. if for some reason that animal is put down, at least it had a humane death. If you know you are going to a shelter that euths alot, then they should go to a reputable rescue. I classify dumping an animal, either leaving it behind when you leave, dropping it off the side of the road, etc.

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 07:21 PM
I wouldn't classify going to a shelter and surrender your pet "dumping" it. I would call it a responsible pet owner, at least they are giving their pet a second chance. if for some reason that animal is put down, at least it had a humane death. If you know you are going to a shelter that euths alot, then they should go to a reputable rescue. I classify dumping an animal, either leaving it behind when you leave, dropping it off the side of the road, etc.

Ahh see, and there is the crux of it, isn't it Noah Grey? You may have worked at "the best" shelter in Ontario. But recent events have proven that the organization we think is there to protect animals really hasn't been following their mandate. How many more in how many provinces and/or states are the same?
Let's do a "what if". What if I took a twelve year old cat that is clearly suffering from some illness, an illness that would be very easily fixed with proper care and medication, to a high kill shelter. I didn't know it was a high kill. I thought I was being a responsible pet owner by turning over a cat I could no longer look after. What chances do you think that cat would have? Seriously, what chance? Put aside your personal feelings for the wonderful shelter you worked at and see what answer you come up with.
"What if" I had a dog that loved his people and others once it got to know them but was not tolerant of strangers? What chance does that dog have of making it past the first couple of days?
I think of that person on the news recently who had taken his cat to a certain shelter. News was leaked and it turns out his cat was about to be put down. Look at the outrage he showed. Did he have the right to show outrage? After all, he had surrendered his cat. Is it suddenly their fault because he turned his cat in?
I don't know. There are no simple answers. I just wanted to see how others felt.
Edited to add: How about the shelters who still use gas chambers ? Would you call that a humane death NG? Or the vet called in to euth rushed through it just to get the job done? I'm sure others can think of many more deaths at shelters that are far from humane.

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 07:23 PM
Unfortunately, you can't save them all. You should be very proud, and the rest of us very thankful for what you have already done. 36 kitties is a HUGE responsibility. You're an :angel: :)

Actually, it's been a few more than that. ;) But thanks anyway. I know we can't save them all. Just interested in other's thoughts.

Floppy Dog
June 22nd, 2010, 08:02 PM
I've lived with pets all my life. Had dogs when I was a kid, cats as an adult and now that my daughter is old enough to understand and share the responsiblity, have both a dog and cat.

In the first place, I couldn't imagine going somewhere without my pets. But, let's say I moved somewhere where they had to quarantine my pets and they weren't likely to survive the process (I'm thinking the 6-month quarantine for the UK here) or some country which doesn't approve of pets (eg. Iran). I would call in every favour every one of my friends owed me to find them a good home. And, I'd keep in touch with the new owners to make sure that my pets were well looked after, loved and cared for. If that didn't work, I'd have to go for euthanization, even though it would break my heart and I would be a basket case for weeks afterwards.

The way I look at it, my pets are a lifetime responsiblity. If I can no longer ensure their safety, health and general well being then the only thing I can do as a responsible pet owner is take them to the vet, and hold them while they get their shot and have my face be the last thing they see and my arms be the last thing they feel. There's no way I could live with myself if I thought my pets would ever experience a moment of anxiety or stress because their humans have left them in a shelter or rescue centre on the chance that they would be adopted.

And that is not to reflect badly on all of you who work at shelters and rescue centres and who advocate for pets. I have so much respect for your dedication and courage because you are all doing a job that I cannot do. I couldn't deal with the heartbreak of knowing there are more animals out there in need of help then there are resources available to help them.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I feel pets are a very personal responsiblity. If I ever have to euthanize a healthy pet because I can no longer take care of it, I will deal with the emotional fall out and the self-inflicted guilt trip. My pets will not have to face the consequences of my cowardliness.

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 08:27 PM
And that is not to reflect badly on all of you who work at shelters and rescue centres and who advocate for pets. I have so much respect for your dedication and courage because you are all doing a job that I cannot do. I couldn't deal with the heartbreak of knowing there are more animals out there in need of help then there are resources available to help them.

Well put Floppy Dog. Obviously something you have thought of often.
Just to set your mind at rest - The rescues I know do not euthanize unless it is a case of uncurable illness, aggression, or old age. The folks who foster for the rescues do so with the knowledge that there may never be a home for the pet(s) they are fostering. My kitties are just that. My kitties. They are going no where unless I can find the absolute perfect home for them. Many will not be going anywhere anyways as they are semiferals and run from strangers.

Frenchy
June 22nd, 2010, 08:32 PM
I would hope if something happens to me , members from pets.ca would adopt my pets. :(

if I'm still alive , and can't keep them for whatever reason , I would place them in rescues that I know , and would ask to be included in the decision / choosing their future families. I would need to be 100% sure they would be well treated.

just thinking about it ... ouch , that would kill me. :( mostly with Nelly and Sienna , I don't know how they would do in another home. And Jack too actually ... he's not always clean in the house , I would be afraid that his new family wouldn't be patient with him. :(

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 08:38 PM
I would hope if something happens to me , members from pets.ca would adopt my pets. :(

if I'm still alive , and can't keep them for whatever reason , I would place them in rescues that I know , and would ask to be included in the decision / choosing their future families. I would need to be 100% sure they would be well treated.

just thinking about it ... ouch , that would kill me. :( mostly with Nelly and Sienna , I don't know how they would do in another home. And Jack too actually ... he's not always clean in the house , I would be afraid that his new family wouldn't be patient with him. :(

:grouphug: You know we would.
Dibs on the kitties. (waving) :D And Jack too! I've been cleaning dog pee for the last year anyway with Keesha.

Frenchy
June 22nd, 2010, 08:39 PM
:grouphug: You know we would.
Dibs on the kitties. (waving) :D

I was hoping you'd say that :D

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 08:42 PM
I was hoping you'd say that :D

I got your back mf. :highfive: But neither of us are going anywhere any time soon. :fingerscr

Frenchy
June 22nd, 2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks 14+ :)

http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/4.gif

aslan
June 22nd, 2010, 08:48 PM
Nelly and Sienna are mine then...

Frenchy
June 22nd, 2010, 08:58 PM
Nelly and Sienna are mine then...

:laughing:

that leaves Churchill ...

aslan
June 22nd, 2010, 09:05 PM
if i've moved by then i'll take him too:D

otter
June 22nd, 2010, 09:05 PM
:laughing:

that leaves Churchill ...

Mine! Mine! Mine! ALL MINE!!:thumbs up:cloud9::lovestruck:

otter
June 22nd, 2010, 09:07 PM
if i've moved by then i'll take him too:D

Darn I type too slow!!

PLEASE can't I have him... Nolie says she would be happy to have a big brother to keep her company :D

.... but Frenchy, don't get any ideas, we're not trying to get rid of you or anything ;)

otter
June 22nd, 2010, 09:13 PM
really, in response to the original question...

I would do everything in my power to find a good home for any animal in my care, my heart would be forever broken though. I can only say, from having adopted a few second chance pets, that sometimes second chance lives work out to be not too bad for the animals (well, I hope my animals have agreed with that statement anyways :shrug:). Euthanizing a healthy animal just seems so..... unfair. No possibility of a second chance life if you're dead :(

Horribly hard question you ask though :cry::cry:

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 09:22 PM
We've done a great job of finding Frenchy's pets homes!!!!!!

really, in response to the original question...

I would do everything in my power to find a good home for any animal in my care, my heart would be forever broken though. I can only say, from having adopted a few second chance pets, that sometimes second chance lives work out to be not too bad for the animals (well, I hope my animals have agreed with that statement anyways :shrug:). Euthanizing a healthy animal just seems so..... unfair. No possibility of a second chance life if you're dead :(

Horribly hard question you ask though :cry::cry:

It seems like those who rescue are heading to rescues as their choice. Maybe I should have made the question harder by saying you can't take them to a rescue. :shrug:
Loving the answers thus far. I think occassionally it does us good to have to think beyond tomorrow......

otter
June 22nd, 2010, 09:34 PM
We've done a great job of finding Frenchy's pets homes!!!!!!
Now.... we just have to work on finding French a home :laughing::laughing::laughing:


It seems like those who rescue are heading to rescues as their choice. Maybe I should have made the question harder by saying you can't take them to a rescue. :shrug:
Loving the answers thus far. I think occassionally it does us good to have to think beyond tomorrow......
Hmmmm, if I only had to choose between a shelter and euthanasia??
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, PLEASE don't let life EVER put me in that situation!!! (it never would, i'd kill myself trying to find other options... if I wasn't around, the people who know me know enough that they would have to find my critters homes, good homes otherwise i'd haunt them forever :evil:)

Sigh... i'd still go with a shelter, it's a chance :o

Goldfields
June 22nd, 2010, 10:27 PM
I suppose I am lucky. If I died tomorrow my sister would take my dogs. I occassionally tell her what I'd like her to do with them, also what they are being fed and which dogs are getting med's. Just in case. If she were not there I know that the Sheltie Club have a Rescue service and would take them in. They are super careful about where shelties go. The demand for sheltie pups far outstrips the supply here, so there are always people wanting pups or older shelties too. I would not expect my hubby to keep them, especially given that he has never groomed a dog in his life. :D He has bad health nowadays anyway and wouldn't cope.
As for my dear old cattle dogs, I'd want to have them put down here at home by my own vet and be buried here. They are near enough 14 years old. Perkins will only eat for me, he's the sort of dog that didn't even like Ian or anyone holding his lead at shows and would take a flying leap back to me if he could catch them offguard :D. He would fret badly. Cuddles is a dangerous, dog aggressive girl even in her old age, she has had back problems and has a very low pain threshold, I don't think I would trust anyone to be careful enough with her, to see she didn't hurt another dog or get hurt herself.
Actually, if I get a young cattle dog after I lose the old pair, I do have friends who would give it a home if need be, but then I wouldn't take on another dog if that wasn't the case. I don't want any of mine in a shelter. (other than sheltie rescue)

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 11:10 PM
Now.... we just have to work on finding French a home :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Ain't that the truth! :laughing:

Hmmmm, if I only had to choose between a shelter and euthanasia??
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, PLEASE don't let life EVER put me in that situation!!! (it never would, i'd kill myself trying to find other options... if I wasn't around, the people who know me know enough that they would have to find my critters homes, good homes otherwise i'd haunt them forever :evil:)

Sigh... i'd still go with a shelter, it's a chance :o

I pray for the same. God willing, or whatever higher power you believe in, it won't happen. :goodvibes:

Goldfields - I find it interesting that you listed exactly what you would do with your dogs. But I know you have a cat or cats as well. :( :shrug: And please do not state your hubby. What if you go together?

cassiek
June 22nd, 2010, 11:17 PM
Such a tough question, 14+

I pray I am never in such a situation to make such a tough decision. For me, pets are forever, so I really struggle to ever see myself having to give up one of my pets. That being said, things to do happen... in the rare event something beyond my control happened I would first exhaust all my other options... i.e. give to a family member or close friend.

For me, it would depend upon the circumstances. I lean towards shelter, but it would depend on the shelter... if they euthanize, what their adoption policies are, etc.

It would also depend on the health of my dogs. If they were older and their quality of life already suffering, I would humanely PTS at the vet so I could be there to hold them. :(

This is a really hard question, and for me not a black & white answer.

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 11:25 PM
Such a tough question, 14+
This is a really hard question, and for me not a black & white answer.

That is the way I feel too. It would depend on the circumstances at the time as well. I don't think many people could answer truthfully.

cassiek
June 22nd, 2010, 11:27 PM
That is the way I feel too. It would depend on the circumstances at the time as well. I don't think many people could answer truthfully.

It's such a tough question, but thank you for starting the thread, it really has made a lot of us think. I just hope I am never faced with such a decision.

14+kitties
June 22nd, 2010, 11:30 PM
It's such a tough question, but thank you for starting the thread, it really has made a lot of us think. I just hope I am never faced with such a decision.

Hey no problem!! I now know if anything happens to Frenchy (NOT!) I inherit her kitties!!!!! :thumbs up:cloud9: Made it all worth it!

Goldfields
June 23rd, 2010, 12:19 AM
Goldfields - I find it interesting that you listed exactly what you would do with your dogs. But I know you have a cat or cats as well. :( :shrug: And please do not state your hubby. What if you go together?

Nothing really changes if both of us go together, 14+.

You can tell I'm primarily a dog person, hey?:laughing: My sister would look after my cats, she knows I have 3. If people here can trust other forum members with their pets, I am sure I can trust her. We talk every day by phone seeing she lives 220 miles or so from here. The Persian is 13 years old now, the outdoor neutered boys are 8 I think. Seeing both would be feral when it came to strangers, I think for their sake a hard decision might have to be made. They certainly could not just be left here. I even think of the cockatoo, a niece said she would take it. But wait :lightbulb: , the RSPCA will look after pets if you leave a legacy to cover it, and we could easily do that seeing we did not have children, I guess we could do that for the outdoor cats. I shall make enquiries. I am sure Barb would keep Pheobe as a house cat. Their dogs like cats, they don't have one now, and Pheobe is very hard to resist. Make that impossible. And knowing her, if she can't keep this number of animals where she is, I am sure she would shift. They talk about it often enough, buying a hobby farm somewhere. Anyway, this has been a good reminder, it's time I had a good long talk with her again about my animals.

NoahGrey
June 23rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
Ahh see, and there is the crux of it, isn't it Noah Grey? You may have worked at "the best" shelter in Ontario. But recent events have proven that the organization we think is there to protect animals really hasn't been following their mandate. How many more in how many provinces and/or states are the same?
Let's do a "what if". What if I took a twelve year old cat that is clearly suffering from some illness, an illness that would be very easily fixed with proper care and medication, to a high kill shelter. I didn't know it was a high kill. I thought I was being a responsible pet owner by turning over a cat I could no longer look after. What chances do you think that cat would have? Seriously, what chance? Put aside your personal feelings for the wonderful shelter you worked at and see what answer you come up with.
"What if" I had a dog that loved his people and others once it got to know them but was not tolerant of strangers? What chance does that dog have of making it past the first couple of days?
I think of that person on the news recently who had taken his cat to a certain shelter. News was leaked and it turns out his cat was about to be put down. Look at the outrage he showed. Did he have the right to show outrage? After all, he had surrendered his cat. Is it suddenly their fault because he turned his cat in?
I don't know. There are no simple answers. I just wanted to see how others felt.
Edited to add: How about the shelters who still use gas chambers ? Would you call that a humane death NG? Or the vet called in to euth rushed through it just to get the job done? I'm sure others can think of many more deaths at shelters that are far from humane.

Actually, I did work for a great shelter..sorry to break the news to you. I worked for an iffiliate. Which has there own ploicies and precredures. Only their Agent department works closely with head office. And from your first post, you were very vague, only stating older animals. If you are surrending a sick animal, it is usually because the owner doesn't want to pay the vet bill...which is irreponsible. If you have a sick animal and it can't be treated and you can't keep it, then it should be taken to your vets and put down or if you have a family or friend that is willing to take care of it, then go that option.

And no i don't think gas chambers are humane and am disgusted that you would even think that I would.

chico2
June 23rd, 2010, 09:01 AM
14+,I misunderstood your question,I thought you meant how I feel about people in general who leave their animals behind to fend for themselves or "dump"them at any shelter,not caring what happens to them.:confused:

Personally,I think you know how I feel,the moment I brought a kitten/cat to my home,he is my responsability until the day comes he's ready to go to the Bridge.
I am up there in age,as are my cats,but should I go before them,DH will care for them in my memory,or I would haunt him forever:cat:

ancientgirl
June 23rd, 2010, 09:23 AM
I've thought about this many times. I'd never ever give my babies up willingly. But, I know that you never really know what the future holds. I've been thinking about getting life insurance, and making someone trustworthy the beneficiary, with the stipulation that they keep my cats and use the money I've left for their care.

Of course, as things are now, I plan on being around for a long time, and I plan on having my gang with me until the day comes when they have left this realm of existence.

aslan
June 23rd, 2010, 09:30 AM
Now.... we just have to work on finding French a home :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Ok fine we'll adopt Frenchy too,,what the heck eh...Since i technically didn't answer the question earlier..If something happened to the both of us my sister would take the boys,,,i have no doubt tho that she would be fending off several of the pets members for the qman..actually there are several members here i wouldn't hesitate to let have either of the boys,,if and when we move and have a little more room and can get a kitty or two(stock up on antihistamines) I have two friends that have already said they have dibs. If i absolutely had to choose between the two it would be a shelter,,atleast as some have said it is a chance for them.

Frenchy
June 23rd, 2010, 09:38 AM
Now.... we just have to work on finding French a home :laughing::laughing::laughing:




Ok fine we'll adopt Frenchy too,,what the heck eh....

:laughing: ok I feel better now , so if my pets want to get red of me , I won't have to go to a shelter :laughing:

let's say no rescue ... shelter or euthanasia , I'll still choose shelter , but one that I know , one where I have contacts :o

I know what you mean by this question 14+. Some people will prefer for their pets to be put down because they're scared the pets will end up in bad homes. I would be too , but I would prefer to trust a few shelters that I know , than to kill my pets , I would not end their life this way ....

NoahGrey
June 23rd, 2010, 09:44 AM
but I would prefer to trust a few shelters that I know , than to kill my pets , I would not end their life this way ....

Well said Frenchy..there are some good shelters out there and yes some that are bad. However there are some good rescues out there and some that are bad..and sadly one that is always raved about on here.

Frenchy
June 23rd, 2010, 11:00 AM
just thinking about it ... ouch , that would kill me. :( mostly with Nelly and Sienna , I don't know how they would do in another home.

You know I was thinking ... this was a selfish thought on my part. Yes Sienna and Nelly are still afraid of certain noises , or when company arrive , but they do warm up to people quickly. Nelly will cuddle with my friends on the couch when we are watching movies , without invitation :laughing: so I know they would get use to "their new families". :o

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:07 AM
Actually, I did work for a great shelter..sorry to break the news to you. I worked for an iffiliate. Which has there own ploicies and precredures. Only their Agent department works closely with head office. And from your first post, you were very vague, only stating older animals. If you are surrending a sick animal, it is usually because the owner doesn't want to pay the vet bill...which is irreponsible. If you have a sick animal and it can't be treated and you can't keep it, then it should be taken to your vets and put down or if you have a family or friend that is willing to take care of it, then go that option.

And no i don't think gas chambers are humane and am disgusted that you would even think that I would.

I don't think I ever said you didn't work for a good shelter. You made it plain when you were there you loved it. Whether or not it was the best is hard to say. But this is not the time or place to argue that. :shrug:


So a recent thread and an article I ran across while googling a while ago has got me thinking.....
If you have to give up your dog/cat for any reason (or you just want to dump it) do you feel it better to take dog/cat to a shelter or to the vet to have it humanely euthanized?
Just curious as to people's reactions.
In my situation I am praying I am around long enough to see each of mine live a long and happy life. But the powers that be sometimes have different ideas. I can't imagine ever having to give any of them up.


Where did I state only older animals? :confused: Nothing vague about it I don't think. :shrug: My reference to an older cat is later on when I did the "what if" section.
As for the comment about gas chambers - You yourself mentioned that shelters humanely euthanized. It has been proven that is not always the case. Some shelters still use gas chambers. I just pointed that out to you. It was not something personal directed at you. Not taking pot shots. I wish people would stop reading more into my posts than what is there. :frustrated:

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:11 AM
Well said Frenchy..there are some good shelters out there and yes some that are bad. However there are some good rescues out there and some that are bad..and sadly one that is always raved about on here.

What rescue is always raved about on here that is bad NG? You've made reference to it before. Let us know who you think is bad.

You know I was thinking ... this was a selfish thought on my part. Yes Sienna and Nelly are still afraid of certain noises , or when company arrive , but they do warm up to people quickly. Nelly will cuddle with my friends on the couch when we are watching movies , without invitation :laughing: so I know they would get use to "their new families". :o

Frenchy - I think we always think no one can look after our pets the way we do. It's ok. I feel the same. Nothing selfish about it. We just love our babies. :cloud9:

Dog Dancer
June 23rd, 2010, 11:21 AM
Well 30+ years ago when I was much younger, and in general people didn't have the same sentiments about animals, I had two cats and I had to move cross country and couldn't bring them. They were quite young, maybe about a year. I found a friend who had a cat already who was willing to take them, actually anxious to take them and I knew she would give them a good home. She took them several weeks before I was leaving. The day before I was to move she gave them back and said it wasn't working out.:eek: Sadly these two cats went to the SPCA. I was hopeful that due to their youth they would be adopted, but it really hurt me to have to do that.

With my pets now, if hubby is still here when I go, I know he will take care of them. Not the same as I do, but he loves them. That said, I do think Shadow would go downhill very fast and end up being put down within months. Halo lives for her daddy and wouldn't miss me at all :laughing: If we both went together then my son would certainly take either or both.

NoahGrey
June 23rd, 2010, 11:25 AM
What rescue is always raved about on here that is bad NG? You've made reference to it before. Let us know who you think is bad.

This rescue has already been questioned by the proper authorities. Maybe it was just a bad seed (it was a volunteer), however I can tell that (this was awhile back) that a few cats and kittens were thrown into a dumpster, all while with the rescues name on the carrier. The director (founder) of the rescue tried to deny what had happened, when the Humane Society called the director out on it.

I will say that this cat rescue is in the Toronto area. As I said above, this rescue might just have had a bad seed, but when a director denies any wrong doing, when proof is right their in their eyes, you have to wonder. Don't know maybe they have changed now? hopefully so.

BenMax
June 23rd, 2010, 11:35 AM
Great question. Well knowing what I know, I would NOT surrender to a shelter or pound of course. If I could not find anyone to take that is within the family or friends, then I would definately go the rescue route and keep until a good family came along. Of course if my animal was old and ill, there is no choice othere than euthanasia.

If something should happen to me, all my animals (except my foster dog) are successfully placed. I have 3 bonded cats going to daughter, declawed cat and 'touched cat' to parents, another to friend. Julia goes to the friend with cat, and Maddox to a very dear friend of mine who also trains dogs. The rescue dog would have to go back into rescue foster home...(unless the guy taking Maddox takes Spike as well which is very likely).:)

All I know is that I would never leave my pets at a shelter. Some are great, but due to the shear number of cats, their chances of adoption would be minimul.

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:43 AM
Ok, so I "think" I may know what one you are talking about. If they have been questioned I am sure the proper authorities are keeping an eye on them. Also - if it is the one I think you are referring to - they give out carriers to helpers and regular Joes all the time. :shrug: It's hard to say.
An organization is only as good as the people working for it. Sometimes, if the people are high enough up, they screw up royally!! :rolleyes:

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:47 AM
It is very interesting seeing the responses from different people. Must say I am not totally surprised. It's very refreshing to see that a lot of us have made plans for our pets if something happens to us. :thumbs up

Chris21711
June 23rd, 2010, 11:57 AM
If I go first then obviously Pepe will carry on taking care of them, even though they don't like his cooking much....Ethel would have to take Herbie though, he needs more attention.

If we both go together, lord help me, Ethel takes care of them all and also the house to boot.

The birds would be more of a thinker for her, she doesn't seem to bond much with the birds and isn't used to taking care of them....on that note in lieu of my passing maybe I should rehome Lovey now...any takers, she comes with a pair of oven mitts :laughing:

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:59 AM
If I go first then obviously Pepe will carry on taking care of them, even though they don't like his cooking much....Ethel would have to take Herbie though, he needs more attention.

If we both go together, lord help me, Ethel takes care of them all and also the house to boot.

The birds would be more of a thinker for her, she doesn't seem to bond much with the birds and isn't used to taking care of them....on that note in lieu of my passing maybe I should rehome Lovey now...any takers, she comes with a pair of oven mitts :laughing:

Ha!! I have a Lovey of my own! He Loves to bite! Cranky soul. I need the oven mitts too!!!!

.unknown.
June 23rd, 2010, 12:02 PM
I think about this often. If I were to die, my boyfriend would take care of the pets until their last days. But what if we both died? I don't have a back up plan for the dogs.

It makes me sick to my stomach to think about my sweeties going to a shelter and being scared and alone. It breaks my heart to think about how many pets have to meet this fate.

I have been thinking that if I won the lottery, I would buy a ranch and open a shelter that would be along the same lines as Best Friends in Utah, but it would be for the pets of elderly people who can't take them to their care facilities, the terminally ill or as sort of an insurance for accidental death of the owner.

They could leave a donation in their will to have the dog live out it's days on the ranch, or if they chose, we could try and find the dog a suitable home.

It's a huge dream... probably not feesible. But I would really love to help the helpless...

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 12:07 PM
Wonderful dream .unknown. One I think of doing often. I have the space. I just need to convince hubby that is what we should be doing. :D But I would need to win the big one in order to put up the proper buildings, outside areas, etc...

Goldfields
June 23rd, 2010, 12:13 PM
14+ , I spoke to my sister and she told me not to worry, she'd take care of everything and she did know I have 3 cats. :) Of course hubby and I are hoping we'll still be here to help our pets at the end ourselves. My family might surprise you. When my late mother had to go into a nursing home, my most undoggy brother immediately collected her dog and bought it here to us. I cared for his dog actually for over 3 years while he lived and worked for IBM in America. I had mum's dog till his death, over 5 years later. It's what families do, and I'm lucky, I have a big family.

luckypenny
June 23rd, 2010, 12:52 PM
Well knowing what I know, I would NOT surrender to a shelter or pound of course.

I'm with you on that. Not sure if rescues would take on either Lucky or Penny either.

Thankfully, I have dh. There's no question he'd keep them for sure if anything should ever happen to me, they're family. If he and I are are both gone at the same time, our older son would get them....with his little brother too :evil: :laughing:.

JennieV
June 23rd, 2010, 01:00 PM
Excellent thread, I think its important to open your mind and think about these things in advance.
I know that Sparky would not be abandoned ever. If not my parents, then for sure my brother would take him.
Worse case scenario - my ex... :shrug:
If I had to choose shelter or PTS - it depends on the situation with the animal. Say, if its Sparky, I know he would have a great chance of being adopted. He is a great dog all around, so I am sure he won't be left behind for long. But if it was Tarzan for example, where he was sick for a very long time and if I had to let him go - I would have euthanised him, because at 16, old, deaf, blind and sick - no chance at all.

So really, a great thread! :thumbs up

BenMax
June 23rd, 2010, 01:06 PM
Excellent thread, I think its important to open your mind and think about these things in advance.
I know that Sparky would not be abandoned ever. If not my parents, then for sure my brother would take him.
Worse case scenario - my ex... :shrug:
If I had to choose shelter or PTS - it depends on the situation with the animal. Say, if its Sparky, I know he would have a great chance of being adopted. He is a great dog all around, so I am sure he won't be left behind for long. But if it was Tarzan for example, where he was sick for a very long time and if I had to let him go - I would have euthanised him, because at 16, old, deaf, blind and sick - no chance at all.

So really, a great thread! :thumbs up

No Girl - you would send me Sparky and your Tarzan and I will find a home. Neither would step foot in a shelter. End of story.

That goes for all my friends here at Pets. This promise I can keep.

Frenchy
June 23rd, 2010, 01:19 PM
If you have to give up your dog/cat for any reason (or you just want to dump it) do you feel it better to take dog/cat to a shelter or to the vet to have it humanely euthanized?


I think we're slightly going off topic here ... correct me if I'm wrong 14+ but , your question is kinda of an ultimatum ? Not asking if we have plans for our pets when we die but , let's say we have no other choices but between shelter or euthanasia .... am I right ? That is why I replied shelter , of course I would prefer rescue but , if I have to choose between the 2 you mentioned , it would be a non kill shelter.

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 02:14 PM
That goes for all my friends here at Pets. This promise I can keep.

Mmm, now am I considered one of your friends? 'Cause if something happened to me that's a heck of a lot of kitties to find homes for!! :eek:

I think we're slightly going off topic here ... correct me if I'm wrong 14+ but , your question is kinda of an ultimatum ? Not asking if we have plans for our pets when we die but , let's say we have no other choices but between shelter or euthanasia .... am I right ? That is why I replied shelter , of course I would prefer rescue but , if I have to choose between the 2 you mentioned , it would be a non kill shelter.

Exactly Frenchy. If we were to dump them for one reason or another. Not necessarily death. Let's say if George decided he didn't have the time to watch "Spot" any more. Spot is fine. A healthy dog. Just basically unwanted by George. So in that case........ what would you do?
The way the thread is going is fine. It's refreshing to know people have plans. But what about the original scenerio?

.unknown.
June 23rd, 2010, 03:28 PM
Do you guys think it would be beneficial for everyone to start a network of people willing to be foster parents/forever parents to others within the network? We could start a database and have people from each area meet each other and their pets and those without family to give their pets to, could talk about afterlife care?

I think that's a great idea.... not only to meet other pet lovers but also have that peace of mind.

doggy lover
June 23rd, 2010, 04:02 PM
I have Tucker in my will to be taken care of by my children. But he loves all adults and i think he would survive in another house as long as there are no small children. My last dog Travis I think I would have had to put him to sleep as he would pine himself to death without hubby and I.. I got my friend to babysit him once in our house for a week and he lost 10lbs its hard to say I guess you would have to see how things went.

Frenchy
June 23rd, 2010, 05:35 PM
Do you guys think it would be beneficial for everyone to start a network of people willing to be foster parents/forever parents to others within the network?

It's a great idea , I already have my person ... although she won't be able to foster them , she will be in charge of placing them into new homes , and that's LuckyPenny's. :)

mastifflover
June 23rd, 2010, 05:55 PM
My dad had Bailey in his will he had a trust fund for her and I was in charge of finding her a good home I could not keep her. My dog at the time and her were like oil and water just a wrong look and war. The trust fund was for anything the dog needed. She went to live on a farm and she loved it and they would submit the bills to me and I would write them a check or for big vet bills we arranged it that just a call or in an emergency just get her help and I would pay whatever the bill was. Like I would ever say no. She lived a nice long life and was happy. That would have made dad:rip: very happy.

14+kitties
June 23rd, 2010, 11:04 PM
Do you guys think it would be beneficial for everyone to start a network of people willing to be foster parents/forever parents to others within the network? We could start a database and have people from each area meet each other and their pets and those without family to give their pets to, could talk about afterlife care?

I think that's a great idea.... not only to meet other pet lovers but also have that peace of mind.

Great idea. A lot of us have already met people from around our areas. It may be a starting point. :thumbs up

My dad had Bailey in his will he had a trust fund for her and I was in charge of finding her a good home I could not keep her. My dog at the time and her were like oil and water just a wrong look and war. The trust fund was for anything the dog needed. She went to live on a farm and she loved it and they would submit the bills to me and I would write them a check or for big vet bills we arranged it that just a call or in an emergency just get her help and I would pay whatever the bill was. Like I would ever say no. She lived a nice long life and was happy. That would have made dad:rip: very happy.

What a wonderful story. I wish they could all end that way. :cloud9: