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Something is wrong with Onnie, scared

onster
June 9th, 2010, 07:49 AM
I am freaked out. I took Onnie to the vet yesterday and she expressed his anal glands, said he had coccidia and prescribed him meds for 2 weeks. She also took a swab of his stool (internally I guess since I did not have a sample).

Since the vet apptment he has been very aloof, in hiding but I figured it was just normal post vet stress. Yesterday I spent all day cleaning and disinfecting all literboxes, the floor surrounding them and basically any surface that I could with diluted bleach. At around 10pm I tried to find Onnie and after an exhaustive search finally found him under the covers of the bed in the basement, he was excessively trying to lick his rear end. The comforter of the bed was streaked with very foul smelling poop so I stripped the bed and did the laundry. His bum wasn't very clean so I wiped him but other than that he seemed to just want to be alone.

Before going to bed I noticed another smear/streak of poo on the floor in my moms room so i cleaned that as well.

I tried sitting with Onnie before going to bed because he stil seemed out of sorts and even tried playing with him but he just wasnt up for it. He alternated from just sitting there to frantically trying to lick his rear end.

At 4am this morning the craziness began. I woke up to Onnie having galloped in the room, meowing frantically this high pitched meow then almost yodelling. He ran into the bathroom and cowered behind the toilet. He was panting, shaking. I thought maybe he had a cling on or something? I sat with him for maybe 15 mins but he was still not very calm so I went to investigate. I found nothing all over the house except next to the litterbox a brown streak again but no evidence of him being in the litterbox at all. I sat with him for another half hour till he calmed down then pulled him out to check him out. He would *not* lift his tail for me and pretty much hankered down in such a way it was pretty much impossible. Nonetheless I wiped him and got a quick glance, he was a little dirty but nothing crazy. He promptly went back behind the toilet and an hour later i reluctantly went back to bed.

At about 7am he ran under my bed, 10 mins later he ran, while cowering, under my desk where he scooted and again a large brown streak left behind. He then ran out of the room. When I went to find him he was cowering behind the toilet in another bathroom downstairs curling himself into a tighter ball everytime I reached for him. He was again shaking from breathing so hard.

I called and canceled my commitments this morning and am waiting for the vet to open in 15mins. I'm worried maybe the vet hurt him when she was getting the sample or expressing his glands. He has had his glands expressed before and never acted this way!! It's almost as if he's leaking stool because he hasn't actually gone to the litterbox between all these incidents and I've cleaned him after every single one. It's not the mess or streaking that's freaking me out it's how absolutely terrified he is and how he just curls into this tight shaking ball when I try to approach him after one of these episodes for lack of a better word.

Please excuse me for the long rambly post, I'm just so tired and so worried.

Love4himies
June 9th, 2010, 07:54 AM
Oh no, poor Onnie. It is so painful for them.

Is he seeing a different vet than the one who expressed his glands? I read somewhere that cats glands should be expressed differently than dogs as they are much smaller, so hopefully the vet did it correctly :pray:.

Sending lots of :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes: for him. Poor boy. :(

onster
June 9th, 2010, 08:00 AM
Thanks L4H, no it is the same vet they have had. Weve used the same one for almost 10 yrs now (with my previous cat too). She is very kind and well informed, she used to run a cat only clinic in T.O. for several years so I am confident in her. well normally I am :o. Now I'm worried she did something wrong or was too forceful or something because previously he has been ok after she expressed his glands.

I feel so horrible he wasn't in pain before the vet, he was happy content with diarrhea yes but he wasnt in pain. Now he seems to be in so much pain and is terrified :( I know I took him to the vet for his own good but somehow I feel guilty, especially when he shrinks away from me when i try to touch him.

Would the vet open already :yell:

catlover2
June 9th, 2010, 08:26 AM
Just wondering if vet maybe caused a fissure (slight tear) in Onnie's rectum when when sampled him to get some stool, or anal glands are just really irritated. Maybe a dab of polytropic or polysporin or vaseline on his rectum would help a bit? Could be wiping to clean him (with toiletpaper?) is aggravating the rectum and anal glands---maybe a soft cloth or cotton ball with a little vaseline or olive oil would be less irritating. It sounds like some sort of soreness there that's really bugging him, and the passing a bit of stool is stinging and really hurts, causing him pain and making him shake. Coccidia can cause a really sore rectum. Hope Onnnie's better soon. :pray: :fingerscr

onster
June 9th, 2010, 08:36 AM
The vet won't answer the phone :frustrated: They were supposed to be open at 8am:frustrated:

Catlover2, that's what I thought too yesterday after he soiled the comforter last night and I wiped him (Ive been using somewhat textured cloths but I will try something more smooth next time), I did actually dab some polysporin on thinking there may have been a tear, it was quite red and angry looking.

My poor boy :(

From what I read from the pamphlet provided by the vet coccidia rarely affects adult cats unless theyre immunosupressed, which Onnie is not, so I'm very confused there too.

I also havent read anywhere that the coccidia can cause a sore bum, thanks for letting me know. You don't think any of this could be a reaction to the meds do you?

onster
June 9th, 2010, 09:16 AM
Update: They finally answered the phone but no vet today she's in Calgary doing training..seriously tho they could have answered the phone even tho their boss wasnt there, grr.

I was gettting ready to take him to another vet and locked him into the one room (so he wouldnt keep hiding on me). When I opened the door I was a) greeted by the most disguisting overpowering smell, and more importantly b) Onnie was sitting on the window sill and not cowering on the floor!!!!

Sure enough my nose led me to the great offender, a poop on the floor, half on the carpet and half on the air vent (no wonder its stinking up the room something fierce :yuck:). Onnie seems to me so much more relieved now he's still frazzled looking but I put him on his tree and he's no longer cowering. He's looking out of the window now.

I have never ever in my life been so happy to clean poop off of the carpet. Thank God.

I think I will wait then for my vet tomorrow 10am and let Onnie get some much needed rest. poor boy had a very very long night. He looks exhausted but won't sleep for now. I'll be happy once he settles into a nap.

Thank you all I was seriously having a meltdown. I can't describe how sad and alarming his meowing was, was breaking my heart.

Love4himies
June 9th, 2010, 09:21 AM
Update: They finally answered the phone but no vet today she's in Calgary doing training..seriously tho they could have answered the phone even tho their boss wasnt there, grr.

I was gettting ready to take him to another vet and locked him into the one room (so he wouldnt keep hiding on me). When I opened the door I was a) greeted by the most disguisting overpowering smell, and more importantly b) Onnie was sitting on the window sill and not cowering on the floor!!!!

Sure enough my nose led me to the great offender, a poop on the floor, half on the carpet and half on the air vent (no wonder its stinking up the room something fierce :yuck:). Onnie seems to me so much more relieved now he's still frazzled looking but I put him on his tree and he's no longer cowering. He's looking out of the window now.

I have never ever in my life been so happy to clean poop off of the carpet. Thank God.

I think I will wait then for my vet tomorrow 10am and let Onnie get some much needed rest. poor boy had a very very long night. He looks exhausted but won't sleep for now. I'll be happy once he settles into a nap.

Thank you all I was seriously having a meltdown. I can't describe how sad and alarming his meowing was, was breaking my heart.

I know Jasper has pain when his glands are infected and he hates going poop due to the pain when they are in that condition. Maybe Onnie was scared of the pain of pooping :confused: and now that it is out he feels better?

onster
June 9th, 2010, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the info L4, maybe they are infected I don't know. What gets me is that he was fine before the vet i mean besides the diarrhea (but he didnt seem to mind). So I can't imagine his glands were that bad when I took him in? I expected them to be full because of not having firm stool for so long which was the case but I wasn't expecting how he has been behaving.

I'm almost scared to give him his one pill today. I'm a little unsure of the tech she said he may be trying to pass the "worms". I said, "arent coccidia not worms?" The pamphlet I got from the vet specifically says they are often confused with worms but are not worms. She said no they are worms living in the intestine. I didn't feel like arguing, or getting technical over wording (coccidia= protozoa).

Also I'm unsure if her theory over him 'passing the dead worms' is true either because according to the papers that came with the meds they don't actually kill the coccidia but rather interfere with the reproductive cycle so that the cat can fight it itself, it explains that this is why treatment can take up to 3 weeks and cleaning surfaces to prevent reinfection is so important.

catlover2
June 9th, 2010, 12:21 PM
The polysporin I think has given him some relief and would just keep putting it on after you clean him from every bowl movement. Coccidia does give the most foul-smelling poops, and really makes the rectum sore. I would keep giving him the pills to clear it up. Glad to hear he's somewhat better and at least not cowering and hiding from you. :thumbs up :goodvibes:

aslan
June 9th, 2010, 12:36 PM
Onster,,Onnie's glands may have become impacted ( substance is more solid than liquid) so his poor little bum may be tender from expressing the glands..the original description of the brown streaks and smell sounds more like anal gland goobers than poop..with his bum being sore he may have been in pain trying to poop but now that he has you may find the glands stop leaking and he will be a much happier little camper. I agree with the others on continue with the polysporin or vaseline.

chico2
June 9th, 2010, 12:52 PM
Onster,i am sooo relieved Onnie seems better:cat:
There is nothing worse than watching your cat in pain,not being able to help:(
My cats have never had their glands expressed so I know nothing about it,can give no advice,just happy he's doing better:thumbs up

onster
June 9th, 2010, 02:41 PM
Thanks all for your continued info/advice/support. I'm not gonna lie I called my mom in Egypt this morning as I was near tears over what to do :o

Ok so I had to go out after he passed the stool and seemed better on his cat tree. I locked him into the one room so that he wasn't moving all over the place while I was gone. When I came back he was one the couch, in a tight ball but not sleeping. I pet him and all, no purring from him but at least not cowering. If my hand goes anywhere near his bum though he sort of scoots himself inwards and under so I cant see anything.

He really is quite uncomfortable poor boy, after that he ran, tail between his legs and low to the ground, to the kitchen. He then started meowing desperately to go out :shrug::shrug::shrug:. Of course I did not let him. I tried to give him food but he's not interested. The only thing he would take is some cream cheese, I thought ok better than nothing. I also gave him his pill at that point.

It's hard to describe but he's keeping him bum down tail tucked always and keeps scooting inwards then maybe excessively licking. For now I set up a litterbox in the laundry room for him and some food and put him in there. I havent applied any more polysporin/Vaseline yet because he wont let me and I don't wanna stress him out.

Aslan would it have been obvious to the vet that it's impacted?

BenMax
June 9th, 2010, 02:47 PM
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

ancientgirl
June 9th, 2010, 02:56 PM
Onster, I can imagine how scared you were for Onnie. I'm so glad he's feeling better. When I began reading this, I first thought maybe the vet hurt him while she was getting his sample. I hope he continues to feel well.:grouphug:

aslan
June 9th, 2010, 03:16 PM
Onster on initial inspection not neccessarily once she started squeezing it would tho..normal glands are liquid,,if it's impacted it is more of a paste like substance, and phew....if really impacted it is even harder. Main thing i would be watching for is any bleeding, which you haven't mentioned....i think poor little man has a sore bum and it's gonna take a couple days.

Love4himies
June 9th, 2010, 03:24 PM
Thanks all for your continued info/advice/support. I'm not gonna lie I called my mom in Egypt this morning as I was near tears over what to do :o

Ok so I had to go out after he passed the stool and seemed better on his cat tree. I locked him into the one room so that he wasn't moving all over the place while I was gone. When I came back he was one the couch, in a tight ball but not sleeping. I pet him and all, no purring from him but at least not cowering. If my hand goes anywhere near his bum though he sort of scoots himself inwards and under so I cant see anything.

He really is quite uncomfortable poor boy, after that he ran, tail between his legs and low to the ground, to the kitchen. He then started meowing desperately to go out :shrug::shrug::shrug:. Of course I did not let him. I tried to give him food but he's not interested. The only thing he would take is some cream cheese, I thought ok better than nothing. I also gave him his pill at that point.

It's hard to describe but he's keeping him bum down tail tucked always and keeps scooting inwards then maybe excessively licking. For now I set up a litterbox in the laundry room for him and some food and put him in there. I havent applied any more polysporin/Vaseline yet because he wont let me and I don't wanna stress him out.

Aslan would it have been obvious to the vet that it's impacted?

Jasper did not react that way afterwards and his were impacted. They were as Aslan described. He did lick his bum a bit after the appointment, but that was it. If this continues, I do think he should go to the vet.

Tundra_Queen
June 9th, 2010, 04:51 PM
Onster, I'm so sorry to hear about poor Onnie. I hope he will be all better soon. He sounded like he was in pain, poor kitty. :grouphug:

Debie

14+kitties
June 9th, 2010, 05:51 PM
:grouphug: Hopefully he will be doing better soon. If you see any changes I would be heading to the vet asap. Just my :2cents:. I also would not be letting him outside for a while. :shrug:

onster
June 9th, 2010, 06:09 PM
14+, don't worry I won't let him out. He hasn't gone out in over 2 weeks anyway as Ive been much 2 busy (and as always when he goes out he goes with me not alone). I was very surprised that he wanted out :confused:

Thanks TQ :grouphug:

L4H I am 100% taking him to his vet tomorrow at 10am. If nothing at all I need some pain relievers for him or something. If anything changes I shall for sure take him to emerg vet.

I keep checking in on him. He didnt move from his one spot for two hours. I brought water up to him and first he wasnt interested but I kept putting a few drops on his paws or under his chin for him to lick up and then he actually started lapping up the water. I then left him alone for another hour or so and when i came in I brought in his kibble (his wet food was with him the whole time but he wasnt interested). He eagerly gobbled it up then jumped down to his wet food and ate some of that too. That is after he started licking his tail excessively he seems almost frantic about the licking. I finally just said "Onnie" and he kind of snapped out of it.

Throughout all this though it is very evident that a) he really doesnt want to move, it must hurt and b) any movement is always with tail tucked under and bum low to the ground. After he ate I patted his kitty bed that I brought into the room and he did jump in but then again with the stairs at tail, pauses for a few moments then lick lick lick lick. I stayed with him till he stopped and laid down, albeit with his tail tightly coiled around him.

I'm happy he ate and drank and I will keep checking on him throughout the night. If there are any other updates/changes I will post for sure. Other than that tomorrow morning can not come fast enough:pray:

hazelrunpack
June 9th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Oh, ouch! Poor Onnie! :grouphug: And poor mommy! :grouphug: It's so hard not to worry when they're obviously hurting!

I'm glad he at least ate and drank! And I hope the night passes more restfully for both of you!

Good luck at the vet tomorrow! :goodvibes:

Dee-O-Gee
June 9th, 2010, 10:03 PM
Poor little guy. :( I sure hope your vet is available to see him tomorrow but more importantly, I hope Onnie has a quiet night. :sleepy:

:grouphug: Onster/Onnie (and Bunduk too!) :grouphug:

BrownEyedGirl
June 9th, 2010, 11:05 PM
I hope you both can get some rest tonite. Poor guy and poor mama too.

edwina
June 10th, 2010, 02:34 AM
Poor Onnie, i hope he is better soon. :(
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

Love4himies
June 10th, 2010, 07:45 AM
Good luck today!!! :goodvibes::goodvibes::goodvibes:

onster
June 10th, 2010, 01:21 PM
The vet was very sweet this morning and came into the exam room quickly, she said he was worried about Onnie too :o. Anyway she said when she expressed the glands on Tuesday they were full but didn't seem impacted/infected or anything. Like aslan said tho, she thought the brown streaks I was describing was actually anal gland secretion.

She then took him into the back room to see for herself. I heard the worst cat scream ever :(:(:( When she came back she said his left gland was full again so she expressed it again (in one day they can fill up???) and the right one she said when she expressed it blood came out and that's when he screamed:eek::sick::(

She gave me metacam drops to give him for one week, she wants to see him again in a week also. She Infused his anal glands with something (convenia?) to keep down inflammation. In addition, she gave him a subcutaneous shot of Metacam. So seems like he has the same thing Jasper suffered with, L4H.


:fingerscr:fingerscr:fingerscr:fingerscr:goodvibes : for Onnie

and thanks all for your well wishes.

serenamlambe
June 10th, 2010, 01:29 PM
Aww, get better soon Onnie!

onster
June 10th, 2010, 01:30 PM
Ok i checked the vet bill it was convenia, that name rang a bell for me so I searched pets.ca and found this thread http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=57265&page=2

now I'm terrified he'll react to it!!!

onster
June 10th, 2010, 01:30 PM
thnx serenamlambe :grouphug:

catlover2
June 10th, 2010, 01:30 PM
OMG! poor Onnie :eek: :yuck: :( I certainly hope the meds will clear it up and this isn't going to have to be an ongoing thing. I'll be surprised if you will be able to get Onnie in a carrier the next time! Poor guy, and you too, hearing those screams! :mad: Not good!

Dog Dancer
June 10th, 2010, 01:51 PM
Oh Onster, how awful for you to have sit there and hear your poor boy in pain. Hopefully the meds will set him right again quickly now. Fingers crossed that he does not react to anything. You're such a good mommy, he'll be okay, he knows that you're helping him and love him. :grouphug:

ancientgirl
June 10th, 2010, 01:54 PM
Oh no, poor Onnie has had such a rough week. I hope he's finally on the road to recovering from this.:fingerscr

JennieV
June 10th, 2010, 01:57 PM
ouch :cry: ... poor boy... I hope he gets better soon!!!!!!!

Love4himies
June 10th, 2010, 02:22 PM
It is EXTREMELY painful when they are infected, the look in Jasper's eyes makes me want to scream :( Poor Onnie :cry: :grouphug:


Convenia is not a shot that I would give to my cats unless I couldn't pill them (ie Rose), my vet gives me liquid Clavamox for Sweet Pea as she can't be pilled.

Injecting antibiotics into anal glands is something they do for dogs, however my vet is hesitant to do it on a cat because their anal glands are much smaller. He was going to do it if Jasper's glands continued to get infected, but with regular expressing and almost no kibble and raw diet has firmed up his poops enough that his glands are much better.

Hugs to Onnie and you. :grouphug:

krdahmer
June 10th, 2010, 04:15 PM
:(Oh poor Onnie.... I hope he gets some relief soon! :goodvibes::pray:

Frenchy
June 10th, 2010, 04:21 PM
ahhh poor Onnie :( speedy recovery to him , I'm sure the metacam will help make him feel better :goodvibes:

chico2
June 10th, 2010, 04:55 PM
Onster,did the vet ask you before giving Onnie Convenia??
I :pray:he has no reaction to it:fingerscr
Poor sweet Onnie,I hope the meds will make him better:pray:

Winston
June 10th, 2010, 06:23 PM
:grouphug::grouphug: Give Onnie a big hug for me!

Tundra_Queen
June 10th, 2010, 09:34 PM
Oh Poor Onnie...that must of hurt so bad....bless his little heart! :grouphug:

Onster I hope he gets better very soon and I'm sorry u had to hear your baby boy scream..:grouphug: for you too!

Debbie

chico2
June 11th, 2010, 08:31 AM
Onster,I am so sorry did not mean to scare you about Convenia,sometimes(often:loser:)I write before I think..

onster
June 11th, 2010, 06:19 PM
It is EXTREMELY painful when they are infected, the look in Jasper's eyes makes me want to scream :( Poor Onnie :cry: :grouphug:


I cried yesterday because he was in so much pain and the metacam didn't kick in yet omg :(

Thanks all for the well wishes. Onnie is a little better today but still sore. He's not complaining about being locked up (which sort of tells u that he's not feeling well still). More than that he's still licking/biting his tail etc. The vet explained to me that he thinks its something outside that's hurting him and since the only thing he sees on his rear end is his tail, that's why he keeps biting it, attacking it and pulling the fur out :( I did get a purr today and a half roll over for tummy rub today so yaaay to that.

Thankfully no reaction at all to the convenia :highfive:. No worries chico, you didn't say anyting wrong!!! the vet told me she would put antibiotics in to his glands but she didnt tell me the brand name I saw it on the reciept after. I spent over $350 last week :eek: but anything to get Onnie better :pray:

Oh and L4 the vet didnt say anything about the glands of cats being too small :shrug: She didnt even tell me options like ok you can pill him or give him injection or whatever she was just like, we'll do an injection. I think maybe she thought the convenia is better since im travelling soon?

I was researching online and found this product, what do guys think? http://www.nativeremedies.com/petalive/analglandz-cat-dog-anal-glands.html

Natual remedy called Analglanz, anyone heard of it? good/bad? Maybe its something for you to try with Jasper too L4H

hazelrunpack
June 11th, 2010, 10:03 PM
I'm sorry to hear about Onnie's infection, onster! :grouphug: Our Gauge used to get badly impacted/infected anal glands and infusing them with anti-biotics did help to some extent. And if they did Onnie's the same way they did Gauge's, they just filled the sac up with the anti-B--no injection at all. He wouldn't have gotten much if any of the Convenia into his bloodstream. That's likely to reduce the chances of him reacting to it :thumbs up

I hope he's feeling better quickly! I know how hard it is to not be able to help them when they're sick. :grouphug:

Love4himies
June 12th, 2010, 07:18 AM
If you can get to Onnie's back end, then I would try it.

onster
June 17th, 2010, 02:45 PM
Just a quick update. Sunday night Onnie finally started acting like himself and Tuesday evening he had his first solid poop in forever, hurray!!!!!

At follow up Wed. tested negative for coccidia :highfive: his glands were a little full again but nothing too bad. On the negative side, I noticed bunduk had all this black stuff under his chin Wed and got him squeezed into the vet as well, he has follicular dermatitis and the fur where the black was all fell off when the vet was cleaning it :( He also got a shot of convenia and everying should be A-ok. I'm leaving to Egypt to tomorrow so I hope it is!!! little bro is caring for the boys so that has me worried I have to say.

All in all that was a very expensive (= $650+ :eek:) and stressful 2 weeks but I'm glad both my boys are on the mend. Thanks for all the well wishes and advice all :grouphug: Now I have to go pack :yell::yell::yell::o

14+kitties
June 17th, 2010, 02:54 PM
Onster - could you ask your vet if there is something else beside the Convenia they can use? With all the bad press on it I would not want to be using it.
I thought you didn't use plastic dishes? That is usually the cause of the follicular dermatitis.
Now, after I said that, please enjoy your holidays mf. I am sure little bro will do fine. You can phone and check on him. Just tell him NOT to let the kitties outside under any circumstances!!! And when you come back please take a few days, a week even, and spend it in here!! WE MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grouphug:

krdahmer
June 17th, 2010, 03:39 PM
Isn't that just chin zits? My guys all got that when we had plastic dishes....my understanding was it was from dirt and bacteria on food dishes. I never got any treatment other than cleaning the area with a warm wash cloth and changing/scrubbing the dishes. Buddy and Windy get them from time to time....but I find that chin scritchies on a regular basis keep them from getting too many. Buddy actually let me 'pop' one once, it came out like a big blackhead would on us. No big deal. :shrug:

And yes I agree.....more visits to pets!!! ;) Safe trip!:goodvibes::grouphug:

onster
June 17th, 2010, 05:42 PM
Sorry this again will be super quick as I still have not packed yet!!!!! leaving home tomorrow 1pm so stressed. Was out all day buying cat food litter etc as well as last minute needs/requests for Egypt.

I asked if it was feline acne but she said its not it presents differently she actually had to take a sample and check it under the scope as she said it could be a number of different things. So i asked its not the plastic cups? she said no not all b/c its not acne :shrug:. Kr, its not black spots on the skin its like black spots stuck all over his fur under chin in clumps- not like black head as theres nothing to pop (first i thought it was flea dirt), she said that is skin that has sloughed off or whatever, not sure why it turned black?? She said prolly started with a rash. Oh and 14+ their food bowls are ceramic/stainless and they have one stainless bowl for water but Onnie likes to knock bowls over/headbutt them so we have the plastic containers in my bathrub and my moms. He seems to drink out of those exclusively while Bunduk drinks from bowls and plastic containers.

Im thinking I might just change out the plastic things anyway even tho vet said its ok? I dunno. but then what if Onnie decides he wont drink then??? baaah. picky kitties.

alright i need to get packing and i have to attend my friends grad dinner tonight..i would cancel but she's moving away to the mid. east for good so can't do that.

will check in later! :goodvibes::grouphug: